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Sith Trained VS Opposing the Dark Side

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Side note before I begin:
In no way am I saying Grievous is better than Yoda, especially in GA. All i'm doing is comparing Grievous's Sith Trained card to Yoda's Opposing the Dark Side, as they are very similar cards and yet one is blatantly better than the other. What gives Yoda the edge over Grievous is his three fantastic abilities, while Grievous has one good ability and two broken ones. But, once Grievous is fixed, he will dominate the battlefield and then his damage will need a nerf.

Alright, now as most of you know Grievous has a star card card called Sith Trained which gives him extra damage against both heroes and troopers. Yoda also has a star card called Opposing the Dark Side which gives him extra damage against only villains. So, since Grievous's star card works for both heroes and troopers and Yoda's only works for villains, surely Yoda must have more damage, right?

Nope.

Grievous's Sith Trained card gives him 30 extra damage at epic, whereas Yoda's only gives him 18!
Second side note. I think that the card has incorrect values right now, so 30 damage is what it's supposed to be. Also this will almost certainly be fixed in the next update.

How is this balanced? The only reason I can think of is that Grievous's card makes him have less stamina, but stamina means absolutely nothing to Grievous. The only thing Grievous needs stamina for is his block, which has such tiny stamina as it is that this card does almost nothing. It kind of feels weird to me that DICE are so quick to give the dark side these super high damage powers to the dark side, but the light side has almost nothing that can compete. I will predict what will happen when DICE fix Grievous right now:

They will fix Thrust Surge and buff and fix Unrelenting Advance, and then Grievous will be incredibly OP as he will have a Thrust Surge that will OHK 3 out of 4 infantry classes, a claw rush that is so fast and so hard to hit with blasters that even Lando and Finn's aimbots can't lock onto it, and also can do 260 damage if the player cancels it in front of an enemy, an Unrelenting Advance that will do, well, something that is better than it is now, and insane basic attacks that can do 320 damage when Grievous attacks from behind, which is enough to two shot Finn!

DICE will then have to nerf both Sith Trained and his ridiculous double damage from the behind.

What I am saying is this: Once Grievous is fixed, he will dominate HvV along with Vader and the dark side will be untouchable. I think that a damage nerf should come with the fix.
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  • Grievous is pants right now

    Using him is a death sentence
  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    Grievous is pants right now

    Using him is a death sentence

    Not entirely true.
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  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    Grievous is pants right now

    Using him is a death sentence

    Not entirely true.
    In my experience yes it is
  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    Lee1981 wrote: »
    Grievous is pants right now

    Using him is a death sentence

    Not entirely true.
    In my experience yes it is

    I have Grievous level 37 and he is an absolute juggernaut in HvV. Just can't rush headfirst into blaster heros...
  • All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.
  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    Lee1981 wrote: »
    Grievous is pants right now

    Using him is a death sentence

    Not entirely true.
    In my experience yes it is

    I have Grievous level 37 and he is an absolute juggernaut in HvV. Just can't rush headfirst into blaster heros...
    Apologies I only play GA and my experience is from there

    Cannot stomach a second of the button mashing fest that is HvV, such an awful mode imo
  • All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?
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  • Lee1981
    934 posts Member
    edited November 11
    All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?
    Irrelevant

    Any hero or class can be op or “weak” depending on who is controlling them



  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?
    Irrelevant

    Any hero or class can be op or “weak” depending on who is controlling them



    QFT right there
  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?
    Irrelevant

    Any hero or class can be op or “weak” depending on who is controlling them



    It's irrelevant that he will have no weaknesses after his fix?
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  • TheUltimateHope
    423 posts Member
    edited November 11
    All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    You're asking me what weaknesses a huge individual, slow with even slower attacks, with the lowest range of all heroes can have ?
    Also what do you expect exactly from the fix of his abilities ? Unrelenting advance starting to effectively block blast wont save him from flanking or CC, explosives or whatever like this. Thrust surge aka "please stay idle and watch me get out my 4 sabers to stab you" doesn't look terrifying either to me.
    That is, if it is indeed fixed *cough saber throw, force push, repulse, frenzy, freeze on Han/chewie, and so on*
  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?
    Irrelevant

    Any hero or class can be op or “weak” depending on who is controlling them



    It's irrelevant that he will have no weaknesses after his fix?
    All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    You're asking me what weaknesses a huge individual, slow with even slower attacks, with the lowest range of all heroes can have
    This guy gets it
  • Deanna_Tamura
    295 posts Member
    edited November 11
    I don't think Grevious is OP right now, his weakness against anyone using a blaster is hitting him quite hard, once his abilities are fixed it might be worth a look again, but not until then, we all know how fixes in this game work, if they "fix" him and nerf his damage at the same time it is almost certain his abilities will not be fixed leaving him to weak.

    I do think that a change to Yoda's Opposing the Dark Side card to affect damage against troopers should happen though and maybe increase the damage it gives a tiny bit, it should stay a bit lower then the bonus on Grevious card, considering Yodas Presence gives him a lot of Health and his mobility.
  • Nah, Grievous can do well, but any competent Lando or Han can beat him easily.
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  • Dude, come on. Look at the size difference between Yoda and Grievous. You think Grievous should deal the same damage as Yoda even though Yoda is at least 3 times harder to shoot down?

    Grievous needs his high damage because he's so easy to kill compared to Yoda.

    With Sith Trained equipped, Grievous can only perform 6 lunges with his stamina. Then after that he cannot lock on to enemies with his lightsaber strikes.

    Yoda has much more stamina and better tracking...
  • Grievous has two sabers Yoda has one.
    That's also why grievous has the highest saber damage.
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  • Devlin21 wrote: »
    Grievous has two sabers Yoda has one.
    That's also why grievous has the highest saber damage.

    I get that but most of Grievous's animations are with one lightsaber strike.
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  • MC_XIX wrote: »
    Dude, come on. Look at the size difference between Yoda and Grievous. You think Grievous should deal the same damage as Yoda even though Yoda is at least 3 times harder to shoot down?

    Grievous needs his high damage because he's so easy to kill compared to Yoda.

    With Sith Trained equipped, Grievous can only perform 6 lunges with his stamina. Then after that he cannot lock on to enemies with his lightsaber strikes.

    Yoda has much more stamina and better tracking...

    Yoda has no tracking compared to Vader.
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  • MC_XIX wrote: »
    Dude, come on. Look at the size difference between Yoda and Grievous. You think Grievous should deal the same damage as Yoda even though Yoda is at least 3 times harder to shoot down?

    Grievous needs his high damage because he's so easy to kill compared to Yoda.

    With Sith Trained equipped, Grievous can only perform 6 lunges with his stamina. Then after that he cannot lock on to enemies with his lightsaber strikes.

    Yoda has much more stamina and better tracking...

    Yoda has no tracking compared to Vader.

    Then buff his tracking, don’t nerf Grievous.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    Dude, come on. Look at the size difference between Yoda and Grievous. You think Grievous should deal the same damage as Yoda even though Yoda is at least 3 times harder to shoot down?

    Grievous needs his high damage because he's so easy to kill compared to Yoda.

    With Sith Trained equipped, Grievous can only perform 6 lunges with his stamina. Then after that he cannot lock on to enemies with his lightsaber strikes.

    Yoda has much more stamina and better tracking...

    Yoda has no tracking compared to Vader.

    Then buff his tracking, don’t nerf Grievous.

    I'm not sure if you saw the whole thing, but I said that Grievous is balanced now, but after his fix he will need a damage nerf.
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  • All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    You're asking me what weaknesses a huge individual, slow with even slower attacks, with the lowest range of all heroes can have ?
    Also what do you expect exactly from the fix of his abilities ? Unrelenting advance starting to effectively block blast wont save him from flanking or CC, explosives or whatever like this. Thrust surge aka "please stay idle and watch me get out my 4 sabers to stab you" doesn't look terrifying either to me.
    That is, if it is indeed fixed *cough saber throw, force push, repulse, frenzy, freeze on Han/chewie, and so on*

    I'm strictly talking about HvV.
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  • All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    You're asking me what weaknesses a huge individual, slow with even slower attacks, with the lowest range of all heroes can have ?
    Also what do you expect exactly from the fix of his abilities ? Unrelenting advance starting to effectively block blast wont save him from flanking or CC, explosives or whatever like this. Thrust surge aka "please stay idle and watch me get out my 4 sabers to stab you" doesn't look terrifying either to me.
    That is, if it is indeed fixed *cough saber throw, force push, repulse, frenzy, freeze on Han/chewie, and so on*

    I'm strictly talking about HvV.

    And being big is an advantage is HvV, in GA it can be bad but in HvV the bigger heroes (Vader, Chewie) seem to dominate. Also if Grievous has slow strikes Yoda is a turtle, and Rey doesn't really have any more range than Grievous and she's a great hero.
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  • Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.
  • Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.

    I guess we will see, but I am guessing when he gets his abilities fixed people will be crying for Grievous nerfs.
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  • Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.

    I guess we will see, but I am guessing when he gets his abilities fixed people will be crying for Grievous nerfs.

    People are always gonna cry for nerfs of this or that. Doesn't mean it's right. In fact people are already crying for Grievous nerfs LoL
  • Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.

    I guess we will see, but I am guessing when he gets his abilities fixed people will be crying for Grievous nerfs.

    I sure as heck won’t, I would expect him to be dangerous.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.

    I guess we will see, but I am guessing when he gets his abilities fixed people will be crying for Grievous nerfs.

    I sure as heck won’t, I would expect him to be dangerous.

    IMO if he can kill Finn in two hits he is already dangerous.
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  • People always confusing GA with HvV smh, hitbox sizes doesn't really mater in HvV. I agree with OP, opposing the dark side could use a buff.
  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    Lee1981 wrote: »
    Grievous is pants right now

    Using him is a death sentence

    Not entirely true.
    In my experience yes it is

    Noob alert
  • Actually it’s part of Grevous mechanics. He is a coward so if he attack from behide like a coward he can deal bonus damage because he is a coward. There did this on purpose and with sith trained it’s a lot more. I believe it’s 100 bonus plus damage from behide
  • Actually it’s part of Grevous mechanics. He is a coward so if he attack from behide like a coward he can deal bonus damage because he is a coward. There did this on purpose and with sith trained it’s a lot more. I believe it’s 100 bonus plus damage from behide

    I think it is double the damage actually.
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  • Actually it’s part of Grevous mechanics. He is a coward so if he attack from behide like a coward he can deal bonus damage because he is a coward. There did this on purpose and with sith trained it’s a lot more. I believe it’s 100 bonus plus damage from behide

    I think it is double the damage actually.

    Oh ok yeah I think you might be right
  • All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    Anyone that is smart enough to not think with a Blaster, I daresay. So far, there has not been a competent Greivous on my opposition: All I see when someone uses him is: "Excellent. They wasted a spot with devastating CC just to pick a trash FOTM character."

    I could be wrong, sure. But I haven't been. Not yet.
    Heart of darkness beateth, Ultima
    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

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  • KresusFIN wrote: »
    All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    Anyone that is smart enough to not think with a Blaster, I daresay. So far, there has not been a competent Greivous on my opposition: All I see when someone uses him is: "Excellent. They wasted a spot with devastating CC just to pick a trash FOTM character."

    I could be wrong, sure. But I haven't been. Not yet.

    Well he hasn't been out long & most players are bad at the game. The people I play with all have purple cards & are pretty competent with him. Vader, kylo, iden, gg. That's a pretty good team right there. Great cc, high damage output & this team beats anyone
  • KresusFIN wrote: »
    All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    Anyone that is smart enough to not think with a Blaster, I daresay. So far, there has not been a competent Greivous on my opposition: All I see when someone uses him is: "Excellent. They wasted a spot with devastating CC just to pick a trash FOTM character."

    I could be wrong, sure. But I haven't been. Not yet.

    Well he hasn't been out long & most players are bad at the game. The people I play with all have purple cards & are pretty competent with him. Vader, kylo, iden, gg. That's a pretty good team right there. Great cc, high damage output & this team beats anyone

    Personal pet peeve has me shivering in terror at seeing... Irk... 3 sabers on one team..

    Then again, the DS can pretty much get away with it. Kylo & Iden is a dream in any HvV setting.

    I miss the early days when 4 blasters on LS was a perfectly viable, encouraged setup.
    Heart of darkness beateth, Ultima
    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

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  • Grievous is underpowered, quit basing everything off that trash mode you call HvV, the balance there is beyond abysmal and not a fair representation of Heroes. Just look at the state of Han for the past 9 months, he was magically balanced in HvV but utter trash in GA. Don't even make me mention what HvV whiners did to boba.

    Fact is, In GA, grievous blows big time and can be easily bullied by Aerials, and destroyed by any team that can pull past double digits. Claw rush is his only effective ability. With there being only one viable build in GA atm. Far from needing a nerf.

    If Yoda's ever to be balanced he's going to need a saber block, it's that simple. He'll always lose to vader and faced stacked matchups against most other saber villains until then. Totally replaced and never to be seen again once anakin Drops.
  • Grievous is underpowered, quit basing everything off that trash mode you call HvV, the balance there is beyond abysmal and not a fair representation of Heroes. Just look at the state of Han for the past 9 months, he was magically balanced in HvV but utter trash in GA. Don't even make me mention what HvV whiners did to boba.

    Fact is, In GA, grievous blows big time and can be easily bullied by Aerials, and destroyed by any team that can pull past double digits. Claw rush is his only effective ability. With there being only one viable build in GA atm. Far from needing a nerf.

    If Yoda's ever to be balanced he's going to need a saber block, it's that simple. He'll always lose to vader and faced stacked matchups against most other saber villains until then. Totally replaced and never to be seen again once anakin Drops.

    This. That extra 260 health is always nice, but it loses out to Big Deal in a HvV setting. His one saving grace is dash going through blocks, but even that isn't a reliable way to kill someone. Unleash is situational at best and serves to just push attacking sabers away from your blasters when you play him in a map without pitfalls. Obi-Wan and Anakin will no doubt take up his space for good unless he gets a saberblock.

    I've had some moderate success in HS with him, but the hassle in HvV is just not worth it.
    Heart of darkness beateth, Ultima
    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

    22kciqve3jgt.gif
  • All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    You're asking me what weaknesses a huge individual, slow with even slower attacks, with the lowest range of all heroes can have ?
    Also what do you expect exactly from the fix of his abilities ? Unrelenting advance starting to effectively block blast wont save him from flanking or CC, explosives or whatever like this. Thrust surge aka "please stay idle and watch me get out my 4 sabers to stab you" doesn't look terrifying either to me.
    That is, if it is indeed fixed *cough saber throw, force push, repulse, frenzy, freeze on Han/chewie, and so on*

    I'm strictly talking about HvV.

    And being big is an advantage is HvV, in GA it can be bad but in HvV the bigger heroes (Vader, Chewie) seem to dominate. Also if Grievous has slow strikes Yoda is a turtle, and Rey doesn't really have any more range than Grievous and she's a great hero.

    I'm talking about HvV too.
    You know, pointing out other people supposed weaknesses that may be worse than Grievous'ones doesn't exclude the fact that those weaknesses still exist for him. That being said i'm still going to respond to each of your statements.

    Being big an advantage in HvV ? You messing with correlation and causation aside, allow me to tell you that this is just wrong. Being big is a disadvantage plain and simple. The two characters that you mention are the easiest (besides Grievous now) to shoot at, their big heads being a particularly sweet spot for maximum damage. And in anticipation to the "but in HvV CC abilities reign" not all characters have access to these and some don't even need them.

    Kylo and Grievous both swing slower than Yoda.

    And finally, Rey thanks to mind trick and her blaster deflection that is manoeuvrable and available more often than not has better range options than the General.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.

    I guess we will see, but I am guessing when he gets his abilities fixed people will be crying for Grievous nerfs.

    I sure as heck won’t, I would expect him to be dangerous.

    IMO if he can kill Finn in two hits he is already dangerous.

    But if any competent blaster hero fights him, like Han or Lando, he is going to be recreating a episode 3 scene.
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  • Grievous is underpowered, quit basing everything off that trash mode you call HvV, the balance there is beyond abysmal and not a fair representation of Heroes. Just look at the state of Han for the past 9 months, he was magically balanced in HvV but utter trash in GA. Don't even make me mention what HvV whiners did to boba.

    Fact is, In GA, grievous blows big time and can be easily bullied by Aerials, and destroyed by any team that can pull past double digits. Claw rush is his only effective ability. With there being only one viable build in GA atm. Far from needing a nerf.

    If Yoda's ever to be balanced he's going to need a saber block, it's that simple. He'll always lose to vader and faced stacked matchups against most other saber villains until then. Totally replaced and never to be seen again once anakin Drops.

    Why should I throw balancing for HvV out of the window? The fact is, people giving to much attention to GA is the reason HvV is "trash"!
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.

    I guess we will see, but I am guessing when he gets his abilities fixed people will be crying for Grievous nerfs.

    I sure as heck won’t, I would expect him to be dangerous.

    IMO if he can kill Finn in two hits he is already dangerous.

    But if any competent blaster hero fights him, like Han or Lando, he is going to be recreating a episode 3 scene.

    Lando maybe because stuns are so strong but if Grievous gets behind Han he kills him in two hits and there is very little Han can do.
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  • All of this is pointless. Same people complaining before he even was released that he would be OP, another tank that would cause serious issues to LS and whatever only to be proved wrong. Abilities fixed he will still remain the same with the same weaknesses and far from being a cause of imbalance.
    Give us a break.

    And what weaknesses does he have in HvV besides his abilities?

    You're asking me what weaknesses a huge individual, slow with even slower attacks, with the lowest range of all heroes can have ?
    Also what do you expect exactly from the fix of his abilities ? Unrelenting advance starting to effectively block blast wont save him from flanking or CC, explosives or whatever like this. Thrust surge aka "please stay idle and watch me get out my 4 sabers to stab you" doesn't look terrifying either to me.
    That is, if it is indeed fixed *cough saber throw, force push, repulse, frenzy, freeze on Han/chewie, and so on*

    I'm strictly talking about HvV.

    And being big is an advantage is HvV, in GA it can be bad but in HvV the bigger heroes (Vader, Chewie) seem to dominate. Also if Grievous has slow strikes Yoda is a turtle, and Rey doesn't really have any more range than Grievous and she's a great hero.

    I'm talking about HvV too.
    You know, pointing out other people supposed weaknesses that may be worse than Grievous'ones doesn't exclude the fact that those weaknesses still exist for him. That being said i'm still going to respond to each of your statements.

    Being big an advantage in HvV ? You messing with correlation and causation aside, allow me to tell you that this is just wrong. Being big is a disadvantage plain and simple. The two characters that you mention are the easiest (besides Grievous now) to shoot at, their big heads being a particularly sweet spot for maximum damage. And in anticipation to the "but in HvV CC abilities reign" not all characters have access to these and some don't even need them.

    Kylo and Grievous both swing slower than Yoda.

    And finally, Rey thanks to mind trick and her blaster deflection that is manoeuvrable and available more often than not has better range options than the General.

    Ok, the two characters I mentioned might be easy to shoot in the head, but have you noticed that they are also the two best characters in HvV? I feel almost sure that Kylo swings faster than Yoda but I will take your word for it. Mind trick doesn't do any damage and has a fairly small range, but my point is that Rey has to get just as close as Grievous to do any damage.
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  • hsf_
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    edited November 14
    Meh, you kind of need different stats for different game modes. Otherwise, you're only able to balance one of the game modes, or none.

    Yes Grievous does big damage, but he swings slowly...
  • hsf_ wrote: »
    Meh, you kind of need different stats for different game modes. Otherwise, you're only able to balance one of the game modes, or none.

    I could not agree more.
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  • hsf_
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    edited November 14
    hsf_ wrote: »
    Meh, you kind of need different stats for different game modes. Otherwise, you're only able to balance one of the game modes, or none.

    I could not agree more.

    I also don't understand why lightsabers do different damage? I mean it's a lightsaber vs fleshy or metal enemies, why does Vader do more damage than Luke? Or Yoda do more damage than Kylo?
    It's very simple and easy to balance when they all do the same damage... Either up their health pool if they get merked too often or increase their attack-speed... Very simple, very easy to fix.
  • hsf_
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    Oh and one last thing... Grievous right ability(the claw rush) - why are enemies able to get up before Grievous can get out of the claw rush? I mean I hit Luke and pressed F(PC) immediately and he was sabering the hell out of my back before I could even turn around... Wtf is that?!
  • hsf_ wrote: »
    Oh and one last thing... Grievous right ability(the claw rush) - why are enemies able to get up before Grievous can get out of the claw rush? I mean I hit Luke and pressed F(PC) immediately and he was sabering the hell out of my back before I could even turn around... Wtf is that?!

    It's called broken. Welcome to the beta.
  • bfloo
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    Grievous is underpowered, quit basing everything off that trash mode you call HvV, the balance there is beyond abysmal and not a fair representation of Heroes. Just look at the state of Han for the past 9 months, he was magically balanced in HvV but utter trash in GA. Don't even make me mention what HvV whiners did to boba.

    Fact is, In GA, grievous blows big time and can be easily bullied by Aerials, and destroyed by any team that can pull past double digits. Claw rush is his only effective ability. With there being only one viable build in GA atm. Far from needing a nerf.

    If Yoda's ever to be balanced he's going to need a saber block, it's that simple. He'll always lose to vader and faced stacked matchups against most other saber villains until then. Totally replaced and never to be seen again once anakin Drops.

    Why should I throw balancing for HvV out of the window? The fact is, people giving to much attention to GA is the reason HvV is "trash"!

    They need to balance for hvv and ga separately. Balancing the last game around hvv made most of the heroes gods and broke the infantry modes.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.

    I guess we will see, but I am guessing when he gets his abilities fixed people will be crying for Grievous nerfs.

    I sure as heck won’t, I would expect him to be dangerous.

    IMO if he can kill Finn in two hits he is already dangerous.

    But if any competent blaster hero fights him, like Han or Lando, he is going to be recreating a episode 3 scene.

    Lando maybe because stuns are so strong but if Grievous gets behind Han he kills him in two hits and there is very little Han can do.

    Nah, Han destroys Grievous easily, he can just deal enough damage to kill him easily. Also, Shouldercharging claw rush causes a bug that freezes Grievous. Han beats Grievous if detonite charge lands.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Grievous had good balance. All he needs is for his abilities to be fixed and even then I wouldn't call him OP. Yes if he gets close he can finish off most heroes in one saber combo but if he gets stunned he's as good as dead.

    I guess we will see, but I am guessing when he gets his abilities fixed people will be crying for Grievous nerfs.

    I sure as heck won’t, I would expect him to be dangerous.

    IMO if he can kill Finn in two hits he is already dangerous.

    But if any competent blaster hero fights him, like Han or Lando, he is going to be recreating a episode 3 scene.

    Lando maybe because stuns are so strong but if Grievous gets behind Han he kills him in two hits and there is very little Han can do.

    Nah, Han destroys Grievous easily, he can just deal enough damage to kill him easily. Also, Shouldercharging claw rush causes a bug that freezes Grievous. Han beats Grievous if detonite charge lands.

    It also causes a bug where he(han) gets hit 3 to 4 times
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