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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Eddie7417 wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I believe that battling heroes across every era is one of the core basics of the game. Wasn't it in the reveal trailer that it advertised battling heroes and villains from different eras and locations?
    At the time the reveal trailer dropped, I was following the hype here in the forums, and on YouTube, and on Facebook, and a little bit on Reddit. The reveal trailer showed Darth Maul and Yoda, then mentioned "battling heroes and villains from different eras". EVERYONE I saw who posted anything on any of those sites understood that to mean that there would be a mode or maybe even two or three modes that allowed cross-era heroes in a kind of dream-match whatif-mode context.

    The assumption was that it would be the same as the Hero Arena Battle mode in Pandemic's Battlefront II from 2005 -- one mode in which all heroes and villains from all the eras could battle it out in a big sandbox jumble, while the rest of the game had separate eras and kept everything accurate.

    We all figured that a modern Battlefront 2 would have another HvV like the 2015 game had, probably a Hero Hunt, maybe a Hero Blast, and all those would be cross-era. Sounded good to me. Some people posted worriedly asking if there would be cross-era in the main Walker Assault type mode they were advertising, but the community reassured those few people that they didn't have to worry, they'd never put the wrong heroes in battles for their flagship mode. That would be ridiculous.

    Then the beta released, and we all saw Han Solo and Rey leading the Clone troopers against the droids in the streets of Theed. People got worried. They started asking questions again, was there going to be cross era in the whole game? A disastrously inept poll was made, giving only two options, "yes cross era" or "no cross era."

    Many people had been excited by the idea from the reveal trailer of fighting heroes from different eras -- heck, even I thought it sounded like fun. The community response came back at around 60% yes cross era, 40% no cross era. It seemed fairly clear where the majority was. DICE and EA listened, and went to work finalizing the game as we have it.

    But another poll came out just a month later, with the insight to give three options for clarity: Cross era in everything, Cross era in nothing, and Cross era only in hero modes. The community resoundingly responded with 10% Cross-era in everything, 10% Cross-era in nothing, and 80% Cross-era in hero modes only.

    But it seems that by this time it was too late. The game released as it is, with every mode that has heroes also having cross-era. Not ONE accurate mode.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    While Immersion is great and all, this isn't an role playing game. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on the resistance with only Finn and Rey against Kylo and Phasma.
    Sounds great to me. They could balance them more if they have to. Which they should have done before release.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I
    Also, how would era lock work? Yoda technically is in every era, (prequel, original, and ghost in sequel) so do some heroes get multiple eras?
    Like this:

    CLONE WARS
    • Yoda
    • Obi-Wan
    • Anakin
    • Darth Maul
    • Dooku
    • Grievous

    GALACTIC CIVIL WARS
    • Luke
    • Leia
    • Han
    • Chewbacca
    • Lando
    • Vader
    • The Emperor
    • Boba Fett
    • Bossk
    • Iden

    FIRST ORDER WARS
    • Rey
    • Finn
    • Kylo
    • Phasma

    Yeah and who would ever want to play a St map with the 4 most boring heroes in this game? Kylo is pathetic in Ga and so is Phasma... Finn is top tier in Ga and same with wall hack Rey. Explain how First Order would ever win those maps?

    If they are both pathetic in GA, shouldn’t Dice balance that anyways?...

    They've tried, but their skillsets just suck. Kylo pretty much got nerfed, and Phasma's entire setup is garbage.
    They would have to do full reworks of the abilities, which sadly they just don't seem capable of.

    In truth balance Kylo and Phasma will be simple.

    Kylo:

    - add 50 base damages on his pull.
    - decresce by 5 seconds the cool down on pull
    - decrease by 2 seconds cool down on freeze
    - fix his frenzy
    - increase the speed of his base lightsaber strikes

    Phasma:

    - add a lunge on his staff strikes
    - add 2 charge staff strikes for a total of 5
    - improve her health card, for example 30 (not 20) health back every HIT (not kill) with the staff

    None of what you just said would make me choose them over better options like Palpatine or Bossk for pushing objectives in GA. The problem is that DICE opted to diversify the ability sets amongst the heroes and villains... some characters have ability sets which are vastly superior to GA combat than others... and some have abilities which are vastly superior to HvV. For example how does adding a lunge on staff strike make Phasma a better pick in GA over Palpatine or Bossk... it doesn't. Thankfully DICE appears to be aware of this disparity, thus their decision to keep the current system in place.

    Honestly i'm already very good with Kylo in Galactic Assault, so with these buffs and fixs he would be very viable. probably you don't use him enough to understand that he have potential. Just buff him in this way and you will see how good he can be.
    For phasma, maybe she needs more but add a lunge on his strikes would make her a lot better considering her high health. You can't do comparison with palpatine or Bossk because these 2 are better than any other hero, Bossk especially need a little nerf in my opinion.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Eddie7417 wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I believe that battling heroes across every era is one of the core basics of the game. Wasn't it in the reveal trailer that it advertised battling heroes and villains from different eras and locations?
    At the time the reveal trailer dropped, I was following the hype here in the forums, and on YouTube, and on Facebook, and a little bit on Reddit. The reveal trailer showed Darth Maul and Yoda, then mentioned "battling heroes and villains from different eras". EVERYONE I saw who posted anything on any of those sites understood that to mean that there would be a mode or maybe even two or three modes that allowed cross-era heroes in a kind of dream-match whatif-mode context.

    The assumption was that it would be the same as the Hero Arena Battle mode in Pandemic's Battlefront II from 2005 -- one mode in which all heroes and villains from all the eras could battle it out in a big sandbox jumble, while the rest of the game had separate eras and kept everything accurate.

    We all figured that a modern Battlefront 2 would have another HvV like the 2015 game had, probably a Hero Hunt, maybe a Hero Blast, and all those would be cross-era. Sounded good to me. Some people posted worriedly asking if there would be cross-era in the main Walker Assault type mode they were advertising, but the community reassured those few people that they didn't have to worry, they'd never put the wrong heroes in battles for their flagship mode. That would be ridiculous.

    Then the beta released, and we all saw Han Solo and Rey leading the Clone troopers against the droids in the streets of Theed. People got worried. They started asking questions again, was there going to be cross era in the whole game? A disastrously inept poll was made, giving only two options, "yes cross era" or "no cross era."

    Many people had been excited by the idea from the reveal trailer of fighting heroes from different eras -- heck, even I thought it sounded like fun. The community response came back at around 60% yes cross era, 40% no cross era. It seemed fairly clear where the majority was. DICE and EA listened, and went to work finalizing the game as we have it.

    But another poll came out just a month later, with the insight to give three options for clarity: Cross era in everything, Cross era in nothing, and Cross era only in hero modes. The community resoundingly responded with 10% Cross-era in everything, 10% Cross-era in nothing, and 80% Cross-era in hero modes only.

    But it seems that by this time it was too late. The game released as it is, with every mode that has heroes also having cross-era. Not ONE accurate mode.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    While Immersion is great and all, this isn't an role playing game. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on the resistance with only Finn and Rey against Kylo and Phasma.
    Sounds great to me. They could balance them more if they have to. Which they should have done before release.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I
    Also, how would era lock work? Yoda technically is in every era, (prequel, original, and ghost in sequel) so do some heroes get multiple eras?
    Like this:

    CLONE WARS
    • Yoda
    • Obi-Wan
    • Anakin
    • Darth Maul
    • Dooku
    • Grievous

    GALACTIC CIVIL WARS
    • Luke
    • Leia
    • Han
    • Chewbacca
    • Lando
    • Vader
    • The Emperor
    • Boba Fett
    • Bossk
    • Iden

    FIRST ORDER WARS
    • Rey
    • Finn
    • Kylo
    • Phasma

    Yeah and who would ever want to play a St map with the 4 most boring heroes in this game? Kylo is pathetic in Ga and so is Phasma... Finn is top tier in Ga and same with wall hack Rey. Explain how First Order would ever win those maps?

    If they are both pathetic in GA, shouldn’t Dice balance that anyways?...

    They've tried, but their skillsets just suck. Kylo pretty much got nerfed, and Phasma's entire setup is garbage.
    They would have to do full reworks of the abilities, which sadly they just don't seem capable of.

    In truth balance Kylo and Phasma will be simple.

    Kylo:

    - add 50 base damages on his pull.
    - decresce by 5 seconds the cool down on pull
    - decrease by 2 seconds cool down on freeze
    - fix his frenzy
    - increase the speed of his base lightsaber strikes

    Phasma:

    - add a lunge on his staff strikes
    - add 2 charge staff strikes for a total of 5
    - improve her health card, for example 30 (not 20) health back every HIT (not kill) with the staff

    This would make them more viable for HvV, but in GA they would still be trash compared to Finn/Rey. There unique skillsets are not even close to being viable in GA. Even with this buff they would still be losing.

    See the resp above.

    A Kylo, no matter how great, will not be able to compete with a Finn or Rey buffed team. I’m sorry, the utilities they provide to their soldiers are too great, and if Kylo makes a mistake, dead. I have seen a Kylo carry the team, and destroyed us on Jakku phases 1-2, but as soon as I got Finn and just spammed Big deal, he could no longer push, as his skills couldn’t, and won’t be able to compete with the buffs from Big Deal. Phasma would still be uselsss, as Big deal would cut her dps to very low amounts. FO will lose against anybody with the knowledge to use Finn, and at least 10 competent players. If Rey is there, the Resistance will win pretty much every time.

    Ok then just buff Kylo Ren or nerf these absurd over power team buff of Yoda and Finn
    Face it, Kylo and Phasma will always be worse than Finn and Rey, their abilities are pretty garbage in GA.

    Good grief have you ever seen the videos from Matthew Serna with Kylo and Phasma in GA?? Stop trying to convince people that your declaration of "garbage" characters is unquestionable. It just comes off so pompous and pretentious from you guys.

    Man, have you seen a good player dominating bad players, real life Stormtroopers, clods, dolts Potatoes? Just because I can get a 60-100 Killstreak with Kylo doesn’t mean his abilities are trash in GA compared to Rey and Finn. Any teams fighting against equally skilled opposition as the FO vs the Resistance, will lose, unless they’re both POTATOES. Kylo Ren and Captain Useless will not win a fight against Rey, and the BIG DEAL. To say otherwise is dumb.

    Again, just because I could go on a streak as Phasma doesn’t mean that I the hero was balanced, it means potatoes were the opposition.
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  • Firstly can everyone please stop calling everyone else kids, it is a silly insult.

    So Cross-era to me is a non issue, the game was always going to be this way and has been for over a year. I am perplexed that people haven't just given up, realised it's not for them and moved on, but I understand the passion and hope, that some folks have for Star Wars and BF2 and I get they don't want Rey on Naboo.

    I whole heartedly agree that you should get a game mode you want as long as it doesn't replace the year long established GA.

    Unfortunately (correct me if I'm wrong) the people who want an era accurate mode are few and far between and the devs who are of a obviously small number don't want to spend development time on a mode that may potentially not even fill lobbies. They won't tell us the player count, plus splitting the playerbase up is good for no one.

  • I liked it so much without cross era and with just 2 heroes, a breath of oxygen the time of a weekend, I am to have it permanently or in a mode apart ^^
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Eddie7417 wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I believe that battling heroes across every era is one of the core basics of the game. Wasn't it in the reveal trailer that it advertised battling heroes and villains from different eras and locations?
    At the time the reveal trailer dropped, I was following the hype here in the forums, and on YouTube, and on Facebook, and a little bit on Reddit. The reveal trailer showed Darth Maul and Yoda, then mentioned "battling heroes and villains from different eras". EVERYONE I saw who posted anything on any of those sites understood that to mean that there would be a mode or maybe even two or three modes that allowed cross-era heroes in a kind of dream-match whatif-mode context.

    The assumption was that it would be the same as the Hero Arena Battle mode in Pandemic's Battlefront II from 2005 -- one mode in which all heroes and villains from all the eras could battle it out in a big sandbox jumble, while the rest of the game had separate eras and kept everything accurate.

    We all figured that a modern Battlefront 2 would have another HvV like the 2015 game had, probably a Hero Hunt, maybe a Hero Blast, and all those would be cross-era. Sounded good to me. Some people posted worriedly asking if there would be cross-era in the main Walker Assault type mode they were advertising, but the community reassured those few people that they didn't have to worry, they'd never put the wrong heroes in battles for their flagship mode. That would be ridiculous.

    Then the beta released, and we all saw Han Solo and Rey leading the Clone troopers against the droids in the streets of Theed. People got worried. They started asking questions again, was there going to be cross era in the whole game? A disastrously inept poll was made, giving only two options, "yes cross era" or "no cross era."

    Many people had been excited by the idea from the reveal trailer of fighting heroes from different eras -- heck, even I thought it sounded like fun. The community response came back at around 60% yes cross era, 40% no cross era. It seemed fairly clear where the majority was. DICE and EA listened, and went to work finalizing the game as we have it.

    But another poll came out just a month later, with the insight to give three options for clarity: Cross era in everything, Cross era in nothing, and Cross era only in hero modes. The community resoundingly responded with 10% Cross-era in everything, 10% Cross-era in nothing, and 80% Cross-era in hero modes only.

    But it seems that by this time it was too late. The game released as it is, with every mode that has heroes also having cross-era. Not ONE accurate mode.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    While Immersion is great and all, this isn't an role playing game. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on the resistance with only Finn and Rey against Kylo and Phasma.
    Sounds great to me. They could balance them more if they have to. Which they should have done before release.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I
    Also, how would era lock work? Yoda technically is in every era, (prequel, original, and ghost in sequel) so do some heroes get multiple eras?
    Like this:

    CLONE WARS
    • Yoda
    • Obi-Wan
    • Anakin
    • Darth Maul
    • Dooku
    • Grievous

    GALACTIC CIVIL WARS
    • Luke
    • Leia
    • Han
    • Chewbacca
    • Lando
    • Vader
    • The Emperor
    • Boba Fett
    • Bossk
    • Iden

    FIRST ORDER WARS
    • Rey
    • Finn
    • Kylo
    • Phasma

    Yeah and who would ever want to play a St map with the 4 most boring heroes in this game? Kylo is pathetic in Ga and so is Phasma... Finn is top tier in Ga and same with wall hack Rey. Explain how First Order would ever win those maps?

    If they are both pathetic in GA, shouldn’t Dice balance that anyways?...

    They've tried, but their skillsets just suck. Kylo pretty much got nerfed, and Phasma's entire setup is garbage.
    They would have to do full reworks of the abilities, which sadly they just don't seem capable of.

    In truth balance Kylo and Phasma will be simple.

    Kylo:

    - add 50 base damages on his pull.
    - decresce by 5 seconds the cool down on pull
    - decrease by 2 seconds cool down on freeze
    - fix his frenzy
    - increase the speed of his base lightsaber strikes

    Phasma:

    - add a lunge on his staff strikes
    - add 2 charge staff strikes for a total of 5
    - improve her health card, for example 30 (not 20) health back every HIT (not kill) with the staff

    None of what you just said would make me choose them over better options like Palpatine or Bossk for pushing objectives in GA. The problem is that DICE opted to diversify the ability sets amongst the heroes and villains... some characters have ability sets which are vastly superior to GA combat than others... and some have abilities which are vastly superior to HvV. For example how does adding a lunge on staff strike make Phasma a better pick in GA over Palpatine or Bossk... it doesn't. Thankfully DICE appears to be aware of this disparity, thus their decision to keep the current system in place.

    Honestly i'm already very good with Kylo in Galactic Assault, so with these buffs and fixs he would be very viable. probably you don't use him enough to understand that he have potential. Just buff him in this way and you will see how good he can be.
    For phasma, maybe she needs more but add a lunge on his strikes would make her a lot better considering her high health. You can't do comparison with palpatine or Bossk because these 2 are better than any other hero, Bossk especially need a little nerf in my opinion.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Eddie7417 wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I believe that battling heroes across every era is one of the core basics of the game. Wasn't it in the reveal trailer that it advertised battling heroes and villains from different eras and locations?
    At the time the reveal trailer dropped, I was following the hype here in the forums, and on YouTube, and on Facebook, and a little bit on Reddit. The reveal trailer showed Darth Maul and Yoda, then mentioned "battling heroes and villains from different eras". EVERYONE I saw who posted anything on any of those sites understood that to mean that there would be a mode or maybe even two or three modes that allowed cross-era heroes in a kind of dream-match whatif-mode context.

    The assumption was that it would be the same as the Hero Arena Battle mode in Pandemic's Battlefront II from 2005 -- one mode in which all heroes and villains from all the eras could battle it out in a big sandbox jumble, while the rest of the game had separate eras and kept everything accurate.

    We all figured that a modern Battlefront 2 would have another HvV like the 2015 game had, probably a Hero Hunt, maybe a Hero Blast, and all those would be cross-era. Sounded good to me. Some people posted worriedly asking if there would be cross-era in the main Walker Assault type mode they were advertising, but the community reassured those few people that they didn't have to worry, they'd never put the wrong heroes in battles for their flagship mode. That would be ridiculous.

    Then the beta released, and we all saw Han Solo and Rey leading the Clone troopers against the droids in the streets of Theed. People got worried. They started asking questions again, was there going to be cross era in the whole game? A disastrously inept poll was made, giving only two options, "yes cross era" or "no cross era."

    Many people had been excited by the idea from the reveal trailer of fighting heroes from different eras -- heck, even I thought it sounded like fun. The community response came back at around 60% yes cross era, 40% no cross era. It seemed fairly clear where the majority was. DICE and EA listened, and went to work finalizing the game as we have it.

    But another poll came out just a month later, with the insight to give three options for clarity: Cross era in everything, Cross era in nothing, and Cross era only in hero modes. The community resoundingly responded with 10% Cross-era in everything, 10% Cross-era in nothing, and 80% Cross-era in hero modes only.

    But it seems that by this time it was too late. The game released as it is, with every mode that has heroes also having cross-era. Not ONE accurate mode.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    While Immersion is great and all, this isn't an role playing game. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on the resistance with only Finn and Rey against Kylo and Phasma.
    Sounds great to me. They could balance them more if they have to. Which they should have done before release.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I
    Also, how would era lock work? Yoda technically is in every era, (prequel, original, and ghost in sequel) so do some heroes get multiple eras?
    Like this:

    CLONE WARS
    • Yoda
    • Obi-Wan
    • Anakin
    • Darth Maul
    • Dooku
    • Grievous

    GALACTIC CIVIL WARS
    • Luke
    • Leia
    • Han
    • Chewbacca
    • Lando
    • Vader
    • The Emperor
    • Boba Fett
    • Bossk
    • Iden

    FIRST ORDER WARS
    • Rey
    • Finn
    • Kylo
    • Phasma

    Yeah and who would ever want to play a St map with the 4 most boring heroes in this game? Kylo is pathetic in Ga and so is Phasma... Finn is top tier in Ga and same with wall hack Rey. Explain how First Order would ever win those maps?

    If they are both pathetic in GA, shouldn’t Dice balance that anyways?...

    They've tried, but their skillsets just suck. Kylo pretty much got nerfed, and Phasma's entire setup is garbage.
    They would have to do full reworks of the abilities, which sadly they just don't seem capable of.

    In truth balance Kylo and Phasma will be simple.

    Kylo:

    - add 50 base damages on his pull.
    - decresce by 5 seconds the cool down on pull
    - decrease by 2 seconds cool down on freeze
    - fix his frenzy
    - increase the speed of his base lightsaber strikes

    Phasma:

    - add a lunge on his staff strikes
    - add 2 charge staff strikes for a total of 5
    - improve her health card, for example 30 (not 20) health back every HIT (not kill) with the staff

    This would make them more viable for HvV, but in GA they would still be trash compared to Finn/Rey. There unique skillsets are not even close to being viable in GA. Even with this buff they would still be losing.

    See the resp above.

    A Kylo, no matter how great, will not be able to compete with a Finn or Rey buffed team. I’m sorry, the utilities they provide to their soldiers are too great, and if Kylo makes a mistake, dead. I have seen a Kylo carry the team, and destroyed us on Jakku phases 1-2, but as soon as I got Finn and just spammed Big deal, he could no longer push, as his skills couldn’t, and won’t be able to compete with the buffs from Big Deal. Phasma would still be uselsss, as Big deal would cut her dps to very low amounts. FO will lose against anybody with the knowledge to use Finn, and at least 10 competent players. If Rey is there, the Resistance will win pretty much every time.

    Ok then just buff Kylo Ren or nerf these absurd over power team buff of Yoda and Finn

    Buffing Kylo Ren wouldn't work, his kit is garbage, same with Phasma. They would have to revert all the nerfs on Finn's deadeye and blaster, and they definitely are not doing that. Face it, Kylo and Phasma will always be worse than Finn and Rey, their abilities are pretty garbage in GA.

    I disagree. Kylo and Phasma aren't so bad. They just need some tweaks and buffs.
  • Can’t wait to see Anakin fighting himself as Vader...
  • lionbush wrote: »
    Can’t wait to see Anakin fighting himself as Vader...

    Man this game is goofy.
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Eddie7417 wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I believe that battling heroes across every era is one of the core basics of the game. Wasn't it in the reveal trailer that it advertised battling heroes and villains from different eras and locations?
    At the time the reveal trailer dropped, I was following the hype here in the forums, and on YouTube, and on Facebook, and a little bit on Reddit. The reveal trailer showed Darth Maul and Yoda, then mentioned "battling heroes and villains from different eras". EVERYONE I saw who posted anything on any of those sites understood that to mean that there would be a mode or maybe even two or three modes that allowed cross-era heroes in a kind of dream-match whatif-mode context.

    The assumption was that it would be the same as the Hero Arena Battle mode in Pandemic's Battlefront II from 2005 -- one mode in which all heroes and villains from all the eras could battle it out in a big sandbox jumble, while the rest of the game had separate eras and kept everything accurate.

    We all figured that a modern Battlefront 2 would have another HvV like the 2015 game had, probably a Hero Hunt, maybe a Hero Blast, and all those would be cross-era. Sounded good to me. Some people posted worriedly asking if there would be cross-era in the main Walker Assault type mode they were advertising, but the community reassured those few people that they didn't have to worry, they'd never put the wrong heroes in battles for their flagship mode. That would be ridiculous.

    Then the beta released, and we all saw Han Solo and Rey leading the Clone troopers against the droids in the streets of Theed. People got worried. They started asking questions again, was there going to be cross era in the whole game? A disastrously inept poll was made, giving only two options, "yes cross era" or "no cross era."

    Many people had been excited by the idea from the reveal trailer of fighting heroes from different eras -- heck, even I thought it sounded like fun. The community response came back at around 60% yes cross era, 40% no cross era. It seemed fairly clear where the majority was. DICE and EA listened, and went to work finalizing the game as we have it.

    But another poll came out just a month later, with the insight to give three options for clarity: Cross era in everything, Cross era in nothing, and Cross era only in hero modes. The community resoundingly responded with 10% Cross-era in everything, 10% Cross-era in nothing, and 80% Cross-era in hero modes only.

    But it seems that by this time it was too late. The game released as it is, with every mode that has heroes also having cross-era. Not ONE accurate mode.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    While Immersion is great and all, this isn't an role playing game. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on the resistance with only Finn and Rey against Kylo and Phasma.
    Sounds great to me. They could balance them more if they have to. Which they should have done before release.

    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I
    Also, how would era lock work? Yoda technically is in every era, (prequel, original, and ghost in sequel) so do some heroes get multiple eras?
    Like this:

    CLONE WARS
    • Yoda
    • Obi-Wan
    • Anakin
    • Darth Maul
    • Dooku
    • Grievous

    GALACTIC CIVIL WARS
    • Luke
    • Leia
    • Han
    • Chewbacca
    • Lando
    • Vader
    • The Emperor
    • Boba Fett
    • Bossk
    • Iden

    FIRST ORDER WARS
    • Rey
    • Finn
    • Kylo
    • Phasma

    Yeah and who would ever want to play a St map with the 4 most boring heroes in this game? Kylo is pathetic in Ga and so is Phasma... Finn is top tier in Ga and same with wall hack Rey. Explain how First Order would ever win those maps?

    If they are both pathetic in GA, shouldn’t Dice balance that anyways?...

    They've tried, but their skillsets just suck. Kylo pretty much got nerfed, and Phasma's entire setup is garbage.
    They would have to do full reworks of the abilities, which sadly they just don't seem capable of.

    In truth balance Kylo and Phasma will be simple.

    Kylo:

    - add 50 base damages on his pull.
    - decresce by 5 seconds the cool down on pull
    - decrease by 2 seconds cool down on freeze
    - fix his frenzy
    - increase the speed of his base lightsaber strikes

    Phasma:

    - add a lunge on his staff strikes
    - add 2 charge staff strikes for a total of 5
    - improve her health card, for example 30 (not 20) health back every HIT (not kill) with the staff

    None of what you just said would make me choose them over better options like Palpatine or Bossk for pushing objectives in GA. The problem is that DICE opted to diversify the ability sets amongst the heroes and villains... some characters have ability sets which are vastly superior to GA combat than others... and some have abilities which are vastly superior to HvV. For example how does adding a lunge on staff strike make Phasma a better pick in GA over Palpatine or Bossk... it doesn't. Thankfully DICE appears to be aware of this disparity, thus their decision to keep the current system in place.

    Honestly i'm already very good with Kylo in Galactic Assault, so with these buffs and fixs he would be very viable. probably you don't use him enough to understand that he have potential. Just buff him in this way and you will see how good he can be.
    For phasma, maybe she needs more but add a lunge on his strikes would make her a lot better considering her high health. You can't do comparison with palpatine or Bossk because these 2 are better than any other hero, Bossk especially need a little nerf in my opinion.
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    CaptainM09 wrote: »
    I believe that battling heroes across every era is one of the core basics of the game. Wasn't it in the reveal trailer that it advertised battling heroes and villains from different eras and locations?
    At the time the reveal trailer dropped, I was following the hype here in the forums, and on YouTube, and on Facebook, and a little bit on Reddit. The reveal trailer showed Darth Maul and Yoda, then mentioned "battling heroes and villains from different eras". EVERYONE I saw who posted anything on any of those sites understood that to mean that there would be a mode or maybe even two or three modes that allowed cross-era heroes in a kind of dream-match whatif-mode context.

    The assumption was that it would be the same as the Hero Arena Battle mode in Pandemic's Battlefront II from 2005 -- one mode in which all heroes and villains from all the eras could battle it out in a big sandbox jumble, while the rest of the game had separate eras and kept everything accurate.

    We all figured that a modern Battlefront 2 would have another HvV like the 2015 game had, probably a Hero Hunt, maybe a Hero Blast, and all those would be cross-era. Sounded good to me. Some people posted worriedly asking if there would be cross-era in the main Walker Assault type mode they were advertising, but the community reassured those few people that they didn't have to worry, they'd never put the wrong heroes in battles for their flagship mode. That would be ridiculous.

    Then the beta released, and we all saw Han Solo and Rey leading the Clone troopers against the droids in the streets of Theed. People got worried. They started asking questions again, was there going to be cross era in the whole game? A disastrously inept poll was made, giving only two options, "yes cross era" or "no cross era."

    Many people had been excited by the idea from the reveal trailer of fighting heroes from different eras -- heck, even I thought it sounded like fun. The community response came back at around 60% yes cross era, 40% no cross era. It seemed fairly clear where the majority was. DICE and EA listened, and went to work finalizing the game as we have it.

    But another poll came out just a month later, with the insight to give three options for clarity: Cross era in everything, Cross era in nothing, and Cross era only in hero modes. The community resoundingly responded with 10% Cross-era in everything, 10% Cross-era in nothing, and 80% Cross-era in hero modes only.

    But it seems that by this time it was too late. The game released as it is, with every mode that has heroes also having cross-era. Not ONE accurate mode.

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    While Immersion is great and all, this isn't an role playing game. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on the resistance with only Finn and Rey against Kylo and Phasma.
    Sounds great to me. They could balance them more if they have to. Which they should have done before release.

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    Also, how would era lock work? Yoda technically is in every era, (prequel, original, and ghost in sequel) so do some heroes get multiple eras?
    Like this:

    CLONE WARS
    • Yoda
    • Obi-Wan
    • Anakin
    • Darth Maul
    • Dooku
    • Grievous

    GALACTIC CIVIL WARS
    • Luke
    • Leia
    • Han
    • Chewbacca
    • Lando
    • Vader
    • The Emperor
    • Boba Fett
    • Bossk
    • Iden

    FIRST ORDER WARS
    • Rey
    • Finn
    • Kylo
    • Phasma

    Yeah and who would ever want to play a St map with the 4 most boring heroes in this game? Kylo is pathetic in Ga and so is Phasma... Finn is top tier in Ga and same with wall hack Rey. Explain how First Order would ever win those maps?

    If they are both pathetic in GA, shouldn’t Dice balance that anyways?...

    They've tried, but their skillsets just suck. Kylo pretty much got nerfed, and Phasma's entire setup is garbage.
    They would have to do full reworks of the abilities, which sadly they just don't seem capable of.

    In truth balance Kylo and Phasma will be simple.

    Kylo:

    - add 50 base damages on his pull.
    - decresce by 5 seconds the cool down on pull
    - decrease by 2 seconds cool down on freeze
    - fix his frenzy
    - increase the speed of his base lightsaber strikes

    Phasma:

    - add a lunge on his staff strikes
    - add 2 charge staff strikes for a total of 5
    - improve her health card, for example 30 (not 20) health back every HIT (not kill) with the staff

    This would make them more viable for HvV, but in GA they would still be trash compared to Finn/Rey. There unique skillsets are not even close to being viable in GA. Even with this buff they would still be losing.

    See the resp above.

    A Kylo, no matter how great, will not be able to compete with a Finn or Rey buffed team. I’m sorry, the utilities they provide to their soldiers are too great, and if Kylo makes a mistake, dead. I have seen a Kylo carry the team, and destroyed us on Jakku phases 1-2, but as soon as I got Finn and just spammed Big deal, he could no longer push, as his skills couldn’t, and won’t be able to compete with the buffs from Big Deal. Phasma would still be uselsss, as Big deal would cut her dps to very low amounts. FO will lose against anybody with the knowledge to use Finn, and at least 10 competent players. If Rey is there, the Resistance will win pretty much every time.

    Ok then just buff Kylo Ren or nerf these absurd over power team buff of Yoda and Finn

    Buffing Kylo Ren wouldn't work, his kit is garbage, same with Phasma. They would have to revert all the nerfs on Finn's deadeye and blaster, and they definitely are not doing that. Face it, Kylo and Phasma will always be worse than Finn and Rey, their abilities are pretty garbage in GA.

    I disagree. Kylo and Phasma aren't so bad. They just need some tweaks and buffs.

    Maybe not, but they are not as game changing as finn and Rey. That is because of their skillset. They will never be better at taking back a game as Finn and Rey are.
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  • Unfortunately (correct me if I'm wrong) the people who want an era accurate mode are few and far between...
    I keep seeing people making this claim. How could you possibly think you have any real knowledge of this? None of us have any with which to make conclusions.

    If you go by responses here on the forums, it's pretty evenly divided.

    That said, we do have two polls with a substantial number of results. The first of those was deeply flawed and only had two results, which skewed the data, but still reported 60% pro cross era and 40% anti cross era. The second was much better and came back with results of 10% no cross era at all, 10% cross era in everything, and 80% cross era in hero modes only.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    Unfortunately (correct me if I'm wrong) the people who want an era accurate mode are few and far between...
    I keep seeing people making this claim. How could you possibly think you have any real knowledge of this? None of us have any with which to make conclusions.

    If you go by responses here on the forums, it's pretty evenly divided.

    That said, we do have two polls with a substantial number of results. The first of those was deeply flawed and only had two results, which skewed the data, but still reported 60% pro cross era and 40% anti cross era. The second was much better and came back with results of 10% no cross era at all, 10% cross era in everything, and 80% cross era in hero modes only.

    I said "correct me if I'm wrong" , not "you have no evidence to prove I'm wrong so ha". Don't attack me, like I'm saying the gospel truth, I do not have knowledge but I have gathered this conclusion, plus I'm allowed to come to a conclusion if I want. From what I have seen on this forum people who ask for era accuracy are in the minority. If you have evidence to prove at least on this forum the number of yays and nays for Era lock then I am willing to see it as a big issue.

    I still of course think a separate mode from GA should be made for people who want it.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    Unfortunately (correct me if I'm wrong) the people who want an era accurate mode are few and far between...
    I keep seeing people making this claim. How could you possibly think you have any real knowledge of this? None of us have any with which to make conclusions.

    If you go by responses here on the forums, it's pretty evenly divided.

    That said, we do have two polls with a substantial number of results. The first of those was deeply flawed and only had two results, which skewed the data, but still reported 60% pro cross era and 40% anti cross era. The second was much better and came back with results of 10% no cross era at all, 10% cross era in everything, and 80% cross era in hero modes only.

    I said "correct me if I'm wrong" , not "you have no evidence to prove I'm wrong so ha". Don't attack me, like I'm saying the gospel truth, I do not have knowledge but I have gathered this conclusion, plus I'm allowed to come to a conclusion if I want. From what I have seen on this forum people who ask for era accuracy are in the minority. If you have evidence to prove at least on this forum the number of yays and nays for Era lock then I am willing to see it as a big issue.

    I still of course think a separate mode from GA should be made for people who want it.

    I’m thinking, why bring it up in the first place? It’s usually the same handful of people asking for it, and the same handful of people defending what we have. How can anyone measure what people want going by that? How many have given up asking for it, since Dice doesn’t seem to wanna create that kind of authenticity (lol, still so friggin sad) anyways? That doesn’t mean they don’t want it. It’s a non-issue. You’re likely not one of the developers anyways, it’s not your problem.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    Unfortunately (correct me if I'm wrong) the people who want an era accurate mode are few and far between...
    I keep seeing people making this claim. How could you possibly think you have any real knowledge of this? None of us have any with which to make conclusions.

    If you go by responses here on the forums, it's pretty evenly divided.

    That said, we do have two polls with a substantial number of results. The first of those was deeply flawed and only had two results, which skewed the data, but still reported 60% pro cross era and 40% anti cross era. The second was much better and came back with results of 10% no cross era at all, 10% cross era in everything, and 80% cross era in hero modes only.
    I said "correct me if I'm wrong" , not "you have no evidence to prove I'm wrong so ha". Don't attack me, like I'm saying the gospel truth, I do not have knowledge but I have gathered this conclusion, plus I'm allowed to come to a conclusion if I want.
    Apologies if my tone came across wrong. I didn't mean to seem like I was attacking. I wasn't upset -- maybe a bit frustrated with the baseless claim, but not frustrated with you in particular. I saw you had said "correct me if I'm wrong", that was what had inspired me to respond. Olive branch? :smile:

    From what I have seen on this forum people who ask for era accuracy are in the minority. If you have evidence to prove at least on this forum the number of yays and nays for Era lock then I am willing to see it as a big issue.
    In the long-term, over the last year, It has seemed to me that it balances out here in the forum at around 50/50. Sometimes you'll get a thread where most of the posters are people who are against cross era Heroes being in every hero mode. Sometimes you'll get a thread where it's mostly people who support cross era Heroes being in every mode, and there don't seem to be very many dissenting posts. I think that depends on the timing, how exhausted and beat down one side of the other might feel by the endless and eternally unresolved debate.

    Every time I've tried to evaluate , it has come out around 50 50, and the couple of times we took an informal sort of poll, it came out around 50/50, so I'm basing it off that. If I can find an internet poll that only allows one post per person and doesn't require an account to vote, I'll post it so that we can get a more structured result. But I suspect it'll be the same as everything else, around 50/50.

    I still of course think a separate mode from GA should be made for people who want it.
    Thanks. I agree.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Unfortunately (correct me if I'm wrong) the people who want an era accurate mode are few and far between...
    I keep seeing people making this claim. How could you possibly think you have any real knowledge of this? None of us have any with which to make conclusions.

    If you go by responses here on the forums, it's pretty evenly divided.

    That said, we do have two polls with a substantial number of results. The first of those was deeply flawed and only had two results, which skewed the data, but still reported 60% pro cross era and 40% anti cross era. The second was much better and came back with results of 10% no cross era at all, 10% cross era in everything, and 80% cross era in hero modes only.
    I said "correct me if I'm wrong" , not "you have no evidence to prove I'm wrong so ha". Don't attack me, like I'm saying the gospel truth, I do not have knowledge but I have gathered this conclusion, plus I'm allowed to come to a conclusion if I want.
    Apologies if my tone came across wrong. I didn't mean to seem like I was attacking. I wasn't upset -- maybe a bit frustrated with the baseless claim, but not frustrated with you in particular. I saw you had said "correct me if I'm wrong", that was what had inspired me to respond. Olive branch? :smile:

    From what I have seen on this forum people who ask for era accuracy are in the minority. If you have evidence to prove at least on this forum the number of yays and nays for Era lock then I am willing to see it as a big issue.
    In the long-term, over the last year, It has seemed to me that it balances out here in the forum at around 50/50. Sometimes you'll get a thread where most of the posters are people who are against cross era Heroes being in every hero mode. Sometimes you'll get a thread where it's mostly people who support cross era Heroes being in every mode, and there don't seem to be very many dissenting posts. I think that depends on the timing, how exhausted and beat down one side of the other might feel by the endless and eternally unresolved debate.

    Every time I've tried to evaluate , it has come out around 50 50, and the couple of times we took an informal sort of poll, it came out around 50/50, so I'm basing it off that. If I can find an internet poll that only allows one post per person and doesn't require an account to vote, I'll post it so that we can get a more structured result. But I suspect it'll be the same as everything else, around 50/50.

    I still of course think a separate mode from GA should be made for people who want it.
    Thanks. I agree.

    Olive branch indeed, no hard feelings. If everyone who was against era lock would just relax and realise that no one wants regular GA to be gone, none of these arguments would start, but sadly it is those opposed who get the most aggressive most of the time at least.
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