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Forest of Endor

Community Transmission — Anakin Skywalker

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  • angrycal04 wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Not all false, Anakin is able to use the force easier than vader and be more agile, who knows maybe vader could be able to take anakin in a 1v1

    One’s understanding, strength, and mastery of the force increases with age, just like wisdom. It doesn’t peak in the late teens/early twenties. You will understand this later in life.
  • awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.
  • Everyone saying he's OP needs to chill. You guys haven't even played as him so how could you know? The last 3 heroes DICE has released have been very well balanced. Have some faith that these professional game designers know what they're doing, especially since they've proved they do the past few months.
  • bfloo
    15841 posts Member
    Now that the ani details are out of the way, can we get details on the new mode coming?
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  • awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    Also, Anakin being the mechanical and technological savant that he was, no one other than himself tended to his suit. His suit enhanced himself, contrary to what other silly notions some may subscribe to.
  • He will make a fine addition to my,collection.
  • Anakin was never able to reach his full power in the Force as a Jedi.

    As a Sith Lord, Vader was more powerful than he was as a Jedi even though his overall potential in Force was reduced after his injuries.

    Vader would have however been significantly more powerful had he never been injured.
  • What is this, his.face come onesv2cb9r2o0x.jpg
    My priority list:

    1. Fix Split screen mode bugs
    2. Fix bugs
    3. Bigger play area for Duel mode
    4. More love for Starfighter modes
    5. First Person only mode
  • I wonder if Ani will be able to counter Boba better than Obi-Wan
  • Well as I expected...Anakin is Vader 2.0 + Dooku 2.0 with tweaks. So he's another crowd control character in LS....this will make LS OP in HvV. I can already see blaster heroes camping around him or Mary Sue/Luke saber spamming their way out in HvV like no tomorrow....and then dozens of thread on Anakin being OP or DS is pure punishment to play as etc.

    Oh well he is the chosen one after all...next weekend will be interesting.


  • awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    This. All of this is fact. This has been common knowledge way before Disney bought Lucasfilm Ltd. It also makes sense why the Emperor was eager to replace Vader with Luke. He’s younger, more agile, and more importantly, powerful. Everything he set up in Episode VI was so that he got exactly what he wanted. Except... because he’d gotten so used to getting what he wanted, his plans were undermined when Luke didn’t give in. Blinded by his rage and thirst for vengeance against Luke, it allowed Vader that one moment to overthrow his master, save his son and fulfill the prophesy of the Chosen One.
  • Anakin’s ultimate will trigger by pressing Y/Triangle/2 once it’s fully charged. Saber ignition has been moved to X/Square/G.

    Can Anakin interact with an objective that requires it?
  • SomberingJace
    897 posts Member
    edited February 22
    To everyone that said they want Obi-wan before Anakin ... like sit down

    No but seriously this is awesome! It’s like looking at one of my concepts @Dash
    feel the force Sombering Jace
  • SomberingJace
    897 posts Member
    edited February 24
    LMAO I feel so stupid as soon as Anakin Stats came out I creamed in the subway station Anakin is in battlefront 2!” Like an ***** :joy:
    Post edited by IIPrest0nII on
    feel the force Sombering Jace
  • This sounds good. Just the inclusion of the sand line alone would make me happy, but he sounds like a really fun character to play.
  • Anakin’s ultimate will trigger by pressing Y/Triangle/2 once it’s fully charged. Saber ignition has been moved to X/Square/G.

    Thank you for the answer, can it be binded indepedently? G key is not the best when it's already used for objectives when the R is not used for lightsabers in my opinion.
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  • Legobrick100
    89 posts Member
    edited February 22
    Sounds a LOT like the "Force Repulse" ability from The Force Unleashed. That's awesome. Granted, it's almost identical to Luke's ability in this game, but this is the first time I've made this connection before.

    PRIORITY LISTS
    HEROES:
    Commander Cody - the Empire has Iden, the First Order has Phasma. Give us a soldier-based hero for the Republic!
    GA MAPS
    Utapau
    Mygeeto
  • Anakin’s ultimate will trigger by pressing Y/Triangle/2 once it’s fully charged. Saber ignition has been moved to X/Square/G.

    Is that saber-ignition button-change across all heroes, or only Anakin? What does that mean for objectives that require X/Square/G to activate?
    PRIORITY LISTS
    HEROES:
    Commander Cody - the Empire has Iden, the First Order has Phasma. Give us a soldier-based hero for the Republic!
    GA MAPS
    Utapau
    Mygeeto
  • 3/4 of his abilities are just old ones hit with powercreep

    You given up on trying to balance?
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    Dude serious already complaining?
  • From the way I see it, Anakin Skywalker might so ''balance'' HvV, though in such a way I'd never agree with...
    Hint: By answering to overpowered heroes in the DS by making a LS hero, of course, OP, to ''balance'' things...

    But... Anakin is also going to make GA even more BROKEN in favor of the Light Side.

    Think of it for a moment... The Light Side is almost always on defense, the Finn & Yoda buffs are toxic to deal with, and so is a good Rey player with her wallhacks that can also be applied to her teammates for the same effects. In addition, the Light Side also have objectively better special units as well: their blasters are more hard-hitting and accurate, giving them quite devastating results to every range possible, yet the Dark Side aerials can barely fight in medium to long distances with their weapons.

    You also cannot turn your back on the WW's thermal imploder and their ability to essentially punish any hero that gets anywhere close to it by its overload ability.

    As I said, he's just going to be another asset that makes the Light Side even more overpowered in GA, especially if he's able to use pull dominance to line any villain up and then him and his usually more powerful teammates next proceed to execute you, and I don't think Palpatine or Bossk will fare well against that either, since given his insane amount of power this time, he's certainly going to be around the most played hero in Battlefront, no exceptions.
    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    These are interesting truths, but have no bearing on our discussion. Darth Vader, Sith Lord is more powerful than his child self from 19 years earlier as Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight.

    The cybernetics were an enhancement.
    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Vader's_armor

    Even the article that you linked to says that he became much less. Also a lot of it comes from "legends" sources. Regardless, yes he made some mods to his suit because it sucked, but it was by no means an enhancement aside from being a form of armor and providing oxygen.

    Quotes from your article:

    "You are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory…"
    ―Darth Vader's thoughts (ROTS novel)


    An expert mechanical engineer himself, Vader was dismayed by the incompetence of the medical droids responsible for his resurrection in Sidious' laboratory on Coruscant. The technology in the suit was already obsolete, having been used to rebuild and create General Grievous decades earlier. While Vader retained his knowledge of the Jedi arts, he began to feel uncertain about his place in the Force, and while he had taken his first steps toward awakening the power of the dark side, he felt uncertain about his ability to sustain that power.[19] He knew that he was hampered by his injuries, and knew he never could achieve his full potential because of it.[46] At times, Vader wondered if Darth Sidious had purposely designed the armor to restrict him.[19]
    -- Wiki article


    And again from Lucas himself, who is THE SOURCE, in the ANH Blu-Ray commentary during Vader's and Obi-wan's battle he says:

    In this particular rendition Vader was, half man, half machine; Obi-Wan was pretty much an old man – and so this fight was a hard fight for them – it wasn’t an acrobatic, jump-around, fast fight – it was a hard fight to fight – because they are both kind of old Jedi.

    Again Lucas is clearly indicating that Vader is not at all what he used to be - when you are claiming he is better - I'll go with George on this one

    Sure, it’s Legends, I’ll give you that. I’ll also point out that you skipped over all the enhancements to quote some thoughts of Vader on himself. Doesn’t matter of course... we’re both in Legends land.

    I’m sad to say it, but what George says doesn’t matter anymore. Let’s not forget that over all the years, his multitude of interviews contained both ambiguous and contradictory statements. An example of this is Vader from Rogue One. Clearly Vader is neither old, nor hampered in any way. It pains me to accept this about Lucas, but he sold it all. So the EU was canceled, and so was he.
  • Raices
    1393 posts Member
    edited February 23
    Vader from the comics trumps on anything Anakin has done.

    [Edited language]
    Post edited by IronSoldier on
  • Kian_Francis17
    121 posts Member
    edited February 23
    Everyone will cry for an Anakin nerf but this is the sort of beast that the light side needs, especially in HvV. Looks great and i'm so excited, you got this one spot on by the looks of it dice
  • awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    These are interesting truths, but have no bearing on our discussion. Darth Vader, Sith Lord is more powerful than his child self from 19 years earlier as Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight.

    The cybernetics were an enhancement.
    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Vader's_armor

    Even the article that you linked to says that he became much less. Also a lot of it comes from "legends" sources. Regardless, yes he made some mods to his suit because it sucked, but it was by no means an enhancement aside from being a form of armor and providing oxygen.

    Quotes from your article:

    "You are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory…"
    ―Darth Vader's thoughts (ROTS novel)


    An expert mechanical engineer himself, Vader was dismayed by the incompetence of the medical droids responsible for his resurrection in Sidious' laboratory on Coruscant. The technology in the suit was already obsolete, having been used to rebuild and create General Grievous decades earlier. While Vader retained his knowledge of the Jedi arts, he began to feel uncertain about his place in the Force, and while he had taken his first steps toward awakening the power of the dark side, he felt uncertain about his ability to sustain that power.[19] He knew that he was hampered by his injuries, and knew he never could achieve his full potential because of it.[46] At times, Vader wondered if Darth Sidious had purposely designed the armor to restrict him.[19]
    -- Wiki article


    And again from Lucas himself, who is THE SOURCE, in the ANH Blu-Ray commentary during Vader's and Obi-wan's battle he says:

    In this particular rendition Vader was, half man, half machine; Obi-Wan was pretty much an old man – and so this fight was a hard fight for them – it wasn’t an acrobatic, jump-around, fast fight – it was a hard fight to fight – because they are both kind of old Jedi.

    Again Lucas is clearly indicating that Vader is not at all what he used to be - when you are claiming he is better - I'll go with George on this one

    Sure, it’s Legends, I’ll give you that. I’ll also point out that you skipped over all the enhancements to quote some thoughts of Vader on himself. Doesn’t matter of course... we’re both in Legends land.

    I’m sad to say it, but what George says doesn’t matter anymore. Let’s not forget that over all the years, his multitude of interviews contained both ambiguous and contradictory statements. An example of this is Vader from Rogue One. Clearly Vader is neither old, nor hampered in any way. It pains me to accept this about Lucas, but he sold it all. So the EU was canceled, and so was he.

    Valid point. If you aren't following Lucas's Star Wars as the source then you can find many contradictions - and you have a right to follow what you want. To me Lucas is the real Star Wars. The Force Awakens seemed to somewhat honer that but The Last Jedi made me feel sick. So I'm pre Disney for sure, and only post Disney if it feels right to me. However even in the EU in one of the Vader books it was particularly stated that Palp gave Vader a crappy suit on purpose to keep him down. And Rogue One, while a very very cool scene, does not show anything that makes Vader seem particularly powerful in the force. He's fighting a bunch of troopers. Any Jedi or Sith could have done the same thing.
  • Yeah, let’s not forget that George Lucas Officially stated in an interview in the making of ROTS that Anakin lost 80% of his midi-chlorian contents when Obi-Wan severed his limbs on Mustafar all those years ago, that’s almost his entire natural power source.
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    These are interesting truths, but have no bearing on our discussion. Darth Vader, Sith Lord is more powerful than his child self from 19 years earlier as Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight.

    The cybernetics were an enhancement.
    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Vader's_armor

    Even the article that you linked to says that he became much less. Also a lot of it comes from "legends" sources. Regardless, yes he made some mods to his suit because it sucked, but it was by no means an enhancement aside from being a form of armor and providing oxygen.

    Quotes from your article:

    "You are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory…"
    ―Darth Vader's thoughts (ROTS novel)


    An expert mechanical engineer himself, Vader was dismayed by the incompetence of the medical droids responsible for his resurrection in Sidious' laboratory on Coruscant. The technology in the suit was already obsolete, having been used to rebuild and create General Grievous decades earlier. While Vader retained his knowledge of the Jedi arts, he began to feel uncertain about his place in the Force, and while he had taken his first steps toward awakening the power of the dark side, he felt uncertain about his ability to sustain that power.[19] He knew that he was hampered by his injuries, and knew he never could achieve his full potential because of it.[46] At times, Vader wondered if Darth Sidious had purposely designed the armor to restrict him.[19]
    -- Wiki article


    And again from Lucas himself, who is THE SOURCE, in the ANH Blu-Ray commentary during Vader's and Obi-wan's battle he says:

    In this particular rendition Vader was, half man, half machine; Obi-Wan was pretty much an old man – and so this fight was a hard fight for them – it wasn’t an acrobatic, jump-around, fast fight – it was a hard fight to fight – because they are both kind of old Jedi.

    Again Lucas is clearly indicating that Vader is not at all what he used to be - when you are claiming he is better - I'll go with George on this one

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  • So glad to see someone has a block breaking ability! Overall, it sounds like Anakin is going to tear up HvV.
  • I have a bad feeling about this...
  • so how does Anakin interact with objectives?
    Do we have "a hero" who can't play the objective for the "first time"
  • no hate of course
  • Setrhy
    21 posts Member
    edited February 23
    Anakin’s ultimate will trigger by pressing Y/Triangle/2 once it’s fully charged. Saber ignition has been moved to X/Square/G.

    One question, he can activate the objectives, right?. Is the same (X/Square/G)?? or has it changed?
    I see it more comfortable to put:

    Heroic Impact
    Pull Dominance
    Retribution

    These Abilities: in any of the buttons of the skills (LB,RB,LB+RB/L1,R1,L1+R1/Q,F,E)

    Passionate Strike

    Special Ability: Joystick button(R(PS4),R(XBOX ONE) or V(for PC)(melee attacks)

    Saber ignition and interact with objectives

    the same

    I think it's more comfortable like that but I have not tried it yet so I'm not sure :/
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  • Community: Could we address the HvV balance between LS and DS?

    DICE: lol dw Anakin will do that.

    Sane people (after reading the difference between him and literally every other saber in the game): So their solution to bring balance was to add in what-appears-to-be the cheapest saber hero in existence and we're supposed to be okay with it?

    The shills: This is a perfectly good and reasonable addition and nothing will possibly go wrong, his damage values and abilities all look perfectly balanced and correct on paper.

    Me: HvV Draft picks would be the perfect addition right about now.

    Also me: "And this is how saberhero balance dies. In a roar of applause."

    I will genuinely admit to being mistaken if it turns out I'm wrong, however. I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
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    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

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  • Cant wait for anakin. We so close now.
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    "if You Only Knew The Power Of The Dark Side"~Darth Vader.
  • The other heroes just aren't fun to play in GA, half the time your shooting yourself in the foot even bothering with anybody outside Palpatine, Finn, Rey, Bossk, and yoda. I think this introduction of "ultimates" is a real opportunity here to rework some of the other Heroes and really make them stand out with their own niches.

    Anakin is a real gem here, and clearly overshadows every other lightside saber Hero, and frankly, most darkside villians. Similar to how palpatine. This honestly shouldn't be a thing, every Hero needs to bring something to the table, and most don't besides the headache of why you wasted bps on them in the first place.

    More play testing needs to be done in Galactic assault, not HvV. It's kind of a joke.
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  • Thank you DICE! Thank you very much for Anakin. I waited so long on him, and finally he is here. I'm so excited and happy about it. On the paper he sound very strong, maybe to strong. But pls, dont nerf him to hard ^^ HE IS THE CHOSEN ONE, HE WILL BRING BALANCE. His design of his abilitys are just awesome and fit perfectly to his character! All of them. I cant wait to play him.
  • I just hope all the voice lines work since with other heroes they would only say 2 or 3 of the same ones over and over, he sounds intimidating
  • Anakin’s ultimate will trigger by pressing Y/Triangle/2 once it’s fully charged. Saber ignition has been moved to X/Square/G.

    Thanks, people have been trolling around saying it was X on ps4 they changed to lightsaber ignition.
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    I have a good feeling about this
  • Finally a light side hero better than most villains
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    Palpatine: Are you going to kill me?
    Anakin: I would certainly like to.
    Palpatine: I know you would. I can feel your anger. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger.
  • ZmanGames
    473 posts Member
    edited February 23
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    Not trying to be negative or hostile, but that's not completely true. He didn't say Anakin was 2x as powerful as Darth Sidious, he said that he would have been if he had reached his full potential. Also, don't forget that Yoda sent Obi-Wan to fight Anakin because Obi-Wan wasn't powerful enough to fight the Emperor, but Obi-Wan was able to beat Anakin.(Yes I know Anakin was more powerful than Kenobi but they were closer to each other than Kenobi and Sidious) Anakin in ROTS was not necessarily as powerful as Sidious, but had the potential to be. You're interpreting him having the potential to be 2x as powerful as Sidious as him being 2x more powerful than Sidious, which simply isn't the case.
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  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    Wait, wait.. sorry, without offense but you are manipulating all this or misurandestand all this. Vader with the suit is still more powerful than Anakin in episode 3.

    Lucas in this interview only says that Vader without his wounds would become even more powerful, he is not saying at all that he is not powerful or that he is not more powerful than Anakin in episode 3.
    Vader's potential continued to grow after the Mustafar incident. And it is Palpatine himself who recognizes that Vader becomes more powerful in the new comics that are canonical.
    So even if we still have to consider canonical these mini interviews to Lucas (who at other times contradicted himself on these issues) there is no doubt that canonically Vader is more powerful than the Anakin of episode 3. Vader is canonically the most powerful Sith along with Palpatine. And even in the new canon there are suggestions that put him above all at all. In this canonical material it is talked about by Kylo Ren in reference to Vader and it says:

    ''Through his veins courses the bloodline of the most powerful Jedi and Sith, and Ren sees it as his birthright to rule the weaker beings in the galaxy.''
    -- The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary

    Another canonical proof that makes it clear that Vader is more powerful than Anakin in episode 3 is this, where Vader muses that his injuries increased his connection to the Force, suggesting that he has become more powerful than he was as Anakin:

    ''VADER COMPLETED HIS MEDITATION and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger.
    He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight''.
    -- Lords Of The Sith

    Vader is Palpatine's most powerful emissary and a champion of the Dark Side:

    ''But the younger Skywalker’s life changed forever when he learned that not only was Anakin in fact a Jedi Knight who fought in the Clone Wars, but also that he subsequently became Darth Vader, the Emperor’s most feared and powerful emissary, and a champion of the dark side of the Force.''

    Palpatine describes Vader's powers as unparalleled:

    “Come, Darth Vader, you of all people should accept that some are born for greatness. That some are larger than life.”

    Vader remained silent.

    “Yes, Lord Vader.” Sidious softened his tone. “You are a true Sith, Lord Vader. Your dedication is unerring and your powers unparalleled. Perhaps, however, you are under the misimpression that only Sith and Jedi have trials to pass.”
    -- Tarkin
    Skyguy501 wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    This. All of this is fact. This has been common knowledge way before Disney bought Lucasfilm Ltd. It also makes sense why the Emperor was eager to replace Vader with Luke. He’s younger, more agile, and more importantly, powerful. Everything he set up in Episode VI was so that he got exactly what he wanted. Except... because he’d gotten so used to getting what he wanted, his plans were undermined when Luke didn’t give in. Blinded by his rage and thirst for vengeance against Luke, it allowed Vader that one moment to overthrow his master, save his son and fulfill the prophesy of the Chosen One.

    Palpatine want Luke because is a Skywalker the son of Vader, and he hope he can obtain a Vader 2.0. But this not mean that Luke in episode 6 was already more powerful than Vader or that Vader wasn't more powerful than Anakin in episode 3 as i prove with canon statements above. Seem that some of you just underestimate Vader too much, i suggest to read this:

    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/darth-vader-respect-thread-canon-1872153/

    All I am talking about is force potential - inherent force capacity. Not training, tactics, experience, skill, technique, knowledge, etc.

    This clearly states that Sidious has more force capacity than Vader after Mustafar. This clearly states that Luke could realize the potential that pre injury Vader could have, which indicates his force potential is much higher than post Mustafar Vader. And it clearly indicates that Vader lost 60% of his potential.

    That's it. Just the inherent force capacity.

    Everything else is not as clear and depends on what you allow into your own cannon or not. If it's just George then its that. If it's what Disney calls cannon then its that. And if it's all of it including the EU then that's fine too. It is an interesting question to wonder who would win. Episode 3 Anakin or Rogue One Vader. I'd personally still put my bets on Anakin, but you can do as you wish, and I won't tell you you are wrong, just that I have a different view.
  • awakespace wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    Wait, wait.. sorry, without offense but you are manipulating all this or misurandestand all this. Vader with the suit is still more powerful than Anakin in episode 3.

    Lucas in this interview only says that Vader without his wounds would become even more powerful, he is not saying at all that he is not powerful or that he is not more powerful than Anakin in episode 3.
    Vader's potential continued to grow after the Mustafar incident. And it is Palpatine himself who recognizes that Vader becomes more powerful in the new comics that are canonical.
    So even if we still have to consider canonical these mini interviews to Lucas (who at other times contradicted himself on these issues) there is no doubt that canonically Vader is more powerful than the Anakin of episode 3. Vader is canonically the most powerful Sith along with Palpatine. And even in the new canon there are suggestions that put him above all at all. In this canonical material it is talked about by Kylo Ren in reference to Vader and it says:

    ''Through his veins courses the bloodline of the most powerful Jedi and Sith, and Ren sees it as his birthright to rule the weaker beings in the galaxy.''
    -- The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary

    Another canonical proof that makes it clear that Vader is more powerful than Anakin in episode 3 is this, where Vader muses that his injuries increased his connection to the Force, suggesting that he has become more powerful than he was as Anakin:

    ''VADER COMPLETED HIS MEDITATION and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger.
    He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight''.
    -- Lords Of The Sith

    Vader is Palpatine's most powerful emissary and a champion of the Dark Side:

    ''But the younger Skywalker’s life changed forever when he learned that not only was Anakin in fact a Jedi Knight who fought in the Clone Wars, but also that he subsequently became Darth Vader, the Emperor’s most feared and powerful emissary, and a champion of the dark side of the Force.''

    Palpatine describes Vader's powers as unparalleled:

    “Come, Darth Vader, you of all people should accept that some are born for greatness. That some are larger than life.”

    Vader remained silent.

    “Yes, Lord Vader.” Sidious softened his tone. “You are a true Sith, Lord Vader. Your dedication is unerring and your powers unparalleled. Perhaps, however, you are under the misimpression that only Sith and Jedi have trials to pass.”
    -- Tarkin
    Skyguy501 wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    awakespace wrote: »
    The older hero's would of been fine had it not been for unnecessary nerfs, also Vader needs a serious buff if this is how anakin is going to be portrayed

    It has been established that Anakin would have been a much more powerful Force and lightsaber-user withoutthe suit. It makes sense that he is stronger than Vader, since the Vader's suit is very detrimental to his abilities.

    False. All of it.

    Actually it is accurate. Vader is a more polished/mature/calculating warrior, but he lost a lot of his inherent power after Mustafar. The suit does not add to his abilities but instead makes him more clunky. Sidious did this on purpose even though he had the option of giving him a suit more like Grievous.

    The suit means nothing. 19 years between RotS and ANH and Vader now grows in the force through dark side teachings. Anakin Skywalker did not become weaker in order to dominate the galaxy with Palpatine, but stronger, and continued to grow in strength as Darth Vader.

    Let's ask the guy who created Star Wars... According to George Lucas in a 2005 interview with Vanity Fair, Anakin’s potential strength was twice that of Sidious', until he was burned:

    “Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor… So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”

    Sidious acknowledges that Anakin is more powerful than he is in several sources, but when he was burned on Mustafar, according to George Lucas, he lost approximately 60% of his force power

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity before Mustafar = 2x Sidious

    Anakin's/Vader's force capacity after Mustafar = .8x Sidious

    And here is more of the same from George Lucas:

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

    This. All of this is fact. This has been common knowledge way before Disney bought Lucasfilm Ltd. It also makes sense why the Emperor was eager to replace Vader with Luke. He’s younger, more agile, and more importantly, powerful. Everything he set up in Episode VI was so that he got exactly what he wanted. Except... because he’d gotten so used to getting what he wanted, his plans were undermined when Luke didn’t give in. Blinded by his rage and thirst for vengeance against Luke, it allowed Vader that one moment to overthrow his master, save his son and fulfill the prophesy of the Chosen One.

    Palpatine want Luke because is a Skywalker the son of Vader, and he hope he can obtain a Vader 2.0. But this not mean that Luke in episode 6 was already more powerful than Vader or that Vader wasn't more powerful than Anakin in episode 3 as i prove with canon statements above. Seem that some of you just underestimate Vader too much, i suggest to read this:

    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/darth-vader-respect-thread-canon-1872153/

    All I am talking about is force potential - inherent force capacity. Not training, tactics, experience, skill, technique, knowledge, etc.

    This clearly states that Sidious has more force capacity than Vader after Mustafar. This clearly states that Luke could realize the potential that pre injury Vader could have, which indicates his force potential is much higher than post Mustafar Vader. And it clearly indicates that Vader lost 60% of his potential.

    That's it. Just the inherent force capacity.

    Everything else is not as clear and depends on what you allow into your own cannon or not. If it's just George then its that. If it's what Disney calls cannon then its that. And if it's all of it including the EU then that's fine too. It is an interesting question to wonder who would win. Episode 3 Anakin or Rogue One Vader. I'd personally still put my bets on Anakin, but you can do as you wish, and I won't tell you you are wrong, just that I have a different view.

    But that's just potential, how good someone could have been doesn't mean they should be at that level in the game when they never reached it.
    "One may be outnumbered, but that doesn't mean they're outmatched."
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