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Remove Anakin From The Game

vonVile
251 posts Member
Dice needs to go back in and redesign him from scratch, because Anakin is pure OP garbage. They think over inflated numbers like 1000 health equals a powerful character, not what a character can do in various situations. He has 4 abilities there's no reason to make his power levels higher than any other Hero. All that does is make Anakin broken, not a balanced character.

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  • Lionbite
    231 posts Member
    edited March 9
    vonVile wrote: »
    Dice needs to go back in and redesign him from scratch, because Anakin is pure OP garbage. They think over inflated numbers like 1000 health equals a powerful character, not what a character can do in various situations. He has 4 abilities there's no reason to make his power levels higher than any other Hero. All that does is make Anakin broken, not a balanced character.

    2 immature players that are destabilized by the new content...
    Adricmb wrote: »
    You guys seriously need to start learning how to counteract enemy players instead of whinning all day long. Is he powerful? Yes. Is he all-powerful? No. Unless he get's you on face-to-face contact, he's not that much on distance, considering he'll need some seconds to release his most powerfull attacks, plenty of time for you to roll away from him. Get a good distance hero, like Boba, Bossk or even Palpatine, and Anakin's chances will drop dramatically.

    Again, it's more about skill than crying, and you guys are totally ruining the game if you keep in this track, when we have way more important problems to complain about.

    The player that actually uses his/her brain to play well and enjoy the game.
  • Adricmb wrote: »
    You guys seriously need to start learning how to counteract enemy players instead of whinning all day long. Is he powerful? Yes. Is he all-powerful? No. Unless he get's you on face-to-face contact, he's not that much on distance, considering he'll need some seconds to release his most powerfull attacks, plenty of time for you to roll away from him. Get a good distance hero, like Boba, Bossk or even Palpatine, and Anakin's chances will drop dramatically.

    Again, it's more about skill than crying, and you guys are totally ruining the game if you keep in this track, when we have way more important problems to complain about.

    You forgot to mention that Villains can parry his heroic might and his retribution skill - the "so-called OP" ability. These guys just haven't got the brains to figure it out! lol XD
  • In galactic assault, he just needs to have a much higher battle point cost. Maybe 8,000 or so. Perhaps 9000. He is the chosen one, so he should be powerful, but he should also be expensive...

    In heroes villains, he's not all that powerful. People that know how to dodge and block at the right time can easily get out of his area attacks.

  • vonVile wrote: »
    Dice needs to go back in and redesign him from scratch, because Anakin is pure OP garbage. They think over inflated numbers like 1000 health equals a powerful character, not what a character can do in various situations. He has 4 abilities there's no reason to make his power levels higher than any other Hero. All that does is make Anakin broken, not a balanced character.

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  • i personally have no problem killing Anakin. just figure out what to look for and counter.
  • Adricmb
    34 posts Member
    Adricmb wrote: »
    You guys seriously need to start learning how to counteract enemy players instead of whinning all day long. Is he powerful? Yes. Is he all-powerful? No. Unless he get's you on face-to-face contact, he's not that much on distance, considering he'll need some seconds to release his most powerfull attacks, plenty of time for you to roll away from him. Get a good distance hero, like Boba, Bossk or even Palpatine, and Anakin's chances will drop dramatically.

    Again, it's more about skill than crying, and you guys are totally ruining the game if you keep in this track, when we have way more important problems to complain about.

    You forgot to mention that Villains can parry his heroic might and his retribution skill - the "so-called OP" ability. These guys just haven't got the brains to figure it out! lol XD

    True, forgot that, thanks for pointing.

    But seriously, I just feel the need to repeat myself: if every time we receive new content we have to start complaining about its mechanics instead of just trying to figure pros and cons of it, and acting from that point, we'll just screw up the whole game in no time.
  • vonVile
    251 posts Member
    edited March 10
    Anakin needs to have no more than 750 HP and his Heroic Might damage reducer shouldn't be over 50%.

    As for why Anakin's HP needs to be reduced is that power levels have nothing to do with health. He has 1 more ability than everybody else to make him more powerful. That's all he needs.

    What's the reason to have opponents shoot at Anakin with 90% reduction when there's no chance of killing him? If players don't shoot him there's no reason for his damage multiplyer. Its as simple as that.
  • vonVile wrote: »
    Anakin needs to have no more than 750 HP and his Heroic Might damage reducer shouldn't be over 50%.

    As for why Anakin's HP needs to be reduced is that power levels have nothing to do with health. He has 1 more ability than everybody else to make him more powerful. That's all he needs.

    What's the reason to have opponents shoot at Anakin with 90% reduction when there's no chance of killing him? If players don't shoot him there's no reason for his damage multiplyer. Its as simple as that.

    The thing is way simpler tan just that:

    - Anakin has 90% damage reduction when charging Heroic Might. I also think he deals more damage the more he receives while charging, but I'm not sure.

    - Maybe, instead of shooting at him when he's doing that and wait for you inevitable death, you should run back, put some room between him and you, and once he's done with the ability, you all start firing at him like if your life depended on that single shot (which could be more or less accurate, in game therms).

    Let's not forget that Anakin's strongest point is face-to-face combat, so unless you wait in his best range, once he's done with HM he's basically usless against middle (and won't mention long) distance attacks. Also let's not forget that his offensive power is magnanimous in those situations, but his defensive capabilities are way below that point.
  • hosco33
    209 posts Member
    And please recall Anakin was designed so newbies can play against experienced players. Instead of complaining, pick him up.

    BTW, Anakin's rush needs a serious nerf since it's impossible to catch him up with Iden Versio when he's the target and runs away B)
  • Batman20
    1755 posts Member
    He does kind of ruin GA because a team with a good anakin will always win now although taking him out is ott
  • ID_8615
    689 posts Member
    edited March 10
    Lionbite wrote: »
    2 immature players that are destabilized by the new content...
    Do you not see the larger problem in such an attitude .. beyond the trite condescending tones??

    Are you so arrogantly in love with the game as is to remain blind to what is going on behind the scenes??
  • Agreed. They should Re design the whole mess of a character.
    Make Maul great again.
  • ID_8615 wrote: »
    Lionbite wrote: »
    2 immature players that are destabilized by the new content...
    Do you not see the larger problem in such an attitude .. beyond the trite condescending tones??

    Are you so arrogantly in love with the game as is to remain blind to what is going on behind the scenes??

    What is going on? That you can't deal with new things in the game? Every time we receive new stuff in a game like this we have to see a lot of people complaining, and almost every single time those complains are the same: "this is not how it used to be for me, nerf now". If you have to face a new weapon that is super powerful on close ranges, but goes almost useless on distance, well, I think everyone can see the answer there.

    I seriously don't get why you guys are the first ones to complain about "DICE is not giving content" (a thing that's sadly mostly true, we lack a lot of things that we should receive) when every time we get some of that content, you want to destroy it.
  • MasterAilan
    17 posts Member
    edited March 12
    He's broken and he ruins GA. The problem is everyone acts like there is a counter when half the maps you have a chokepoint he can camp and pop in and out of. He has the perfect kit. He is not unkillable but anyone halfway decent will exploit his strengths. When doing this he is impossible to kill.

    Everyone seems to act like their GA games are a bunch of pre-made teams with high level strats. It's very difficult to not shoot at someone, and even then he still has a decent range to pop it and kill anything close up. His kit is perfect. He's running the show on many maps like Kashyyyk, Kamino, anywhere with big chokepoints. It's not really fun/challenging to fight against him, it's impossible if he's played half decent. Nothing against anyone using him.

    He's the most picked hero and its pretty obvious why. The heroes were manageable but Anakin seems to run the map. If he's good you lose, if he's bad he'll die and the next player will try his hand. No other hero really has a get out of jail free card to take no damage. You have to be able to immediately identify the enemy hero as Anakin vs anyone else or risk the chance of being blown up by attacking. His cooldowns are extremely low so even wearing him down you can't really get him on CD's as he runs and hides.

    Unfortunately there aren't many counters unless you happen to catch him with his pants down with a Dooku or something. Chances are his CD's will be up and he'll be ready to go again. Skill for the Villain hero needs to be on point and Anakins skill level needs to be low to mid level for a good fight.

    Solutions:
    Retribution Max 50-100 damage for enemies it should not kill all troops and villains by itself. The main benefit should be the 4 second CC. Rely on assistance to kill the players and heroes while they are CC'd. Grant 60-70% reduction would still be very strong but it would be possible to kill him if he overcommits.

    Heroic Might: CD much higher with a minimum w/ cards to 22 seconds. Damage reduction 60-70%

    Pull Dominance: Could probably increase the CD to 18.

  • brienj
    679 posts Member
    Unless you have at least 5 or 6 people on your team that try to target and kill him, you will lose the match. The easiest way for a group of troops to kill him, is to all shoot him while he performs Retribution, he has around 5 seconds that he is easily open to taking massive damage from focused fire on him. The problem is getting close enough to do this, yet stay far enough away that you don't get caught when he does activate it.
  • And seriously since WHEN can Anakin ABSROB LIGHTSABER STRIKES and not die ? He got his legs and arms cut off like just anybody would do in the movies, then in battlefront 2 they decided he would just stay in the middle of the fight and absorb just everything coming including torpedos grenades missiles ???

    Anakin is a cheat to the game and it totally ruins EVERY MODE
  • vonVile
    251 posts Member
    edited March 16
    Adricmb wrote: »
    vonVile wrote: »
    Anakin needs to have no more than 750 HP and his Heroic Might damage reducer shouldn't be over 50%.

    As for why Anakin's HP needs to be reduced is that power levels have nothing to do with health. He has 1 more ability than everybody else to make him more powerful. That's all he needs.

    What's the reason to have opponents shoot at Anakin with 90% reduction when there's no chance of killing him? If players don't shoot him there's no reason for his damage multiplyer. Its as simple as that.

    The thing is way simpler tan just that:

    - Anakin has 90% damage reduction when charging Heroic Might. I also think he deals more damage the more he receives while charging, but I'm not sure.

    - Maybe, instead of shooting at him when he's doing that and wait for you inevitable death, you should run back, put some room between him and you, and once he's done with the ability, you all start firing at him like if your life depended on that single shot (which could be more or less accurate, in game therms).

    Let's not forget that Anakin's strongest point is face-to-face combat, so unless you wait in his best range, once he's done with HM he's basically usless against middle (and won't mention long) distance attacks. Also let's not forget that his offensive power is magnanimous in those situations, but his defensive capabilities are way below that point.

    I don't shoot at Anakin. All Anakin players do if you survive Heroic Might is his Force pull to kill you.

    You can't run away when he has a 20 meter range in an enclosed area. Anakin can run to the center of a room and take the whole room out. All Force push abilities should have a max range of 15 meters. Even that's a bit too much. Force Push should be for very close situations at 10 meters or less.

    Like I said the bigger problem is his Heroic Might 90% damage reducer. Anakin can't be punished for activating it in any fashion. Its just a complete abuse of general game play mechanics.
  • Yeah, completely unbalanced character; And to all the people saying essentially "deal with it" or " he is the chosen one", think for one second, this is a mp videogame, you might have lots of fun playing as him but the enemy team has absolutely no chance. In HvV he just throws you, pulls you and then finishes you off with a couple of swings, sorry, but that is op.
  • If you remove Anakin then your removing one of the most iconic character from the prequels and I think it would be a bad call towards ea/dice to do that
  • Plus in the future he's going to be balance you need to for get how powerful he is period you realize he has over 20,000 midi-chlorians
  • Plus in the future he's going to be balance you need to for get how powerful he is period you realize he has over 20,000 midi-chlorians

    This has to be a joke. If so, good one.
  • Munedawg wrote: »
    Plus in the future he's going to be balance you need to for get how powerful he is period you realize he has over 20,000 midi-chlorians

    This has to be a joke. If so, good one.

    If you read a lot about star wars and like your a real star wars fan. I'm not saying your not but I know facts about star wars.
  • Not a joke
  • Cyro
    160 posts Member
    fanboys defending an clearly OP character....everywhere.
  • hosco33
    209 posts Member
    With Mail blocking now, I see no reason to run from Anakin but to chase him >:)
  • The key Problems with anakin is that he has 4 abilites regardless of how strong each of them are(but they are really strong - more to that later). The fact to have one more ability than other heroes without any drawback for it will mean that you simply get the advantage over other heroes, especially since those abilities are meant to be CC and high dammage against troopers while the 4th one is aimed towards killing heroes. People claiming that he is useless at range isn't really valid since it is due to the fact that no lightsaber hero actually is good at range, not to Anakin having a unique disadvantage. It is rather common, except for Maul and maybe Luke, that the lightsaber heroes are meant to engage in closer surroundings. And do we really have to talk about him being the chosen one? What is told in the films shouldn't change the games balance and Anakin lost all his 1 vs 1 lightsaber engagements except for those in the Jedi temple and his second fight with Dooku, even though in the temple he had the 501st. as his assistance and with Dooku he still had Obi at the beginning. But lets see numbers, shall we?

    First of all his HP are 1000. Lets don't talk around it, everyone not picking the Starcard for his Max HP is ridiculous.
    That is roughly 200 more than your average lightsaber-hero.
    His Stamina is fully regenerated after roughly 3,6 seconds. This is above average while he is able to swing 12 times without replenishing which again is slightly above average.
    His Dammage can be increased to 165 fromt he front granting him the ability to onehit troopers from the front and the back. This is rather strong.
    All his Abilities except one allow him to CC enemies over roughly 15 meters each. The last one is meant to be killing Heroes by bypassing their block, which again gives him a unique duelling capability.
    He is getting a 90% dammage reduction with heroic might for free, making enemy weapons useless against him, as long as this spell is up. This spell is not meant to be counterplayed, it is meant to make your enemies disengage or die, leaving you surviving the fight easily.
    But wait! There is Retribution, the next ability to reduce the dammage taken by 90% for 4 seconds while dealing roughly 350-400 dammage to everyone affected within the 14 meters of its range. This Oneshots every normal trooper easily and halves heroes for free.
    Then there is Pull Dominance. The abilty to prevent everyone from disengaging, but almost onehits regular troopers again while bringing them close enough for you to engage them.
    Lets note, that rotating your abilities "passionate strike" "pull dominance" and "retribution" at one target will kill any hero if he doesn't block your first one.

    Summarized, Anakin has the best CC of any hero in the game, while being among the tankiest aswell. His dammage makes him onehit troopers with everything he does except his Force Pull ability. 2 Of his abilities make him take 90% less dammage which is just about "don't bother resisting" levels of reduction. He is able to Pull out an agressive playstyle without being punished that much. His stats are higher than average all over the board without having any real drawback. The only thing he is not able to do better than others is his saber deflection. This one is slighty, but only slightly lower than average, but if you run out of stamina you can just reduce every incoming dammage by 90%, so this one cant be put into calculation directly.

    Clearly Anakin is better at everything than any of the villains in their dedicated strengths, he only lacks mobility, still there are many heroes and villains that have this drawback and still have other disadvantages unlike Anakin. Clearly Anakin needs some rebalancing.

    Please excuse my broken English, note i am not a natural english speaker but i am giving my best.
    And please don't insult people over them having other viewpoints than you do. Of course you can criticise me, but an insult is not criticism, nor an argument. So please, when replying to me, don't trashtalk but actually bring forth new thoughts and maybe even a correction for the information i delivered here.
  • If you remove Anakin then your removing one of the most iconic character from the prequels and I think it would be a bad call towards ea/dice to do that

    It is about rebalancing, not about removing.
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