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Why is Obi-Wan's Mind Trick so bad?



This was from a game I just played. I activated mind trick with plenty of time to spare, yet Kylo was still able to pull me.

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  • Ill be suprised if they respond they usually ignore the forum
  • Urghh. He is the least inspired of all the new heroes for me.

    His defensive rush and push abilities feel really slow and clunky and he is a chore to fight in Hero modes.
  • Yeah I've tried using his mind trick on heros all the time but they they're still able to block.
  • His abilities suck compared to other force users
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  • ZephanUnbound
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    edited March 15
    DarthLando wrote: »
    His abilities suck compared to other force users

    For sure. His defensive rush does good damage, but since it can be blocked by saber users it's not very useful in HvV since most people play saber villains. Mind Trick is almost entirely useless unless you are using it to prevent a blaster wielder from rolling. Push charges too slow and doesn't do enough damage for how small the targeting area is relative to Luke's push (which can be used while jumping and running as well, unlike Obi's).
  • If only it would disable jump as well... :* <3
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  • is it really working ??? never been able to use it
  • Legolas79391
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    edited March 16
    Although it pains me to see this ability being so situational, it can be a death sentence for people without block and
    I would prefer some rework to it, not pure buff


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  • Speedjack wrote: »
    is it really working ??? never been able to use it

    It works about half the time, the other half it doesn't work, like in my video.


  • This was from a game I just played. I activated mind trick with plenty of time to spare, yet Kylo was still able to pull me.

    Because it's obi one kenoob or whatever. I mean what did you honestly expect. He's pure eye candy nothing more.

  • If only it would disable jump as well... :* <3

    Yeah, the fact that the high jumping characters can just jump until the effect ends and they can roll/dodge again is pretty annoying, it makes it only useful against Iden and Phasma basically; Boskk, Palpatine, Maul, Vader, Grievous, Kylo, and Dooku can just jump until mind trick ends, and Boba's jetpack isn't disabled by Mind Trick so he can just fly away.
  • Speedjack wrote: »
    is it really working ??? never been able to use it

    It works about half the time, the other half it doesn't work, like in my video.

    Had this happen too. Squared off with Maul and 100% mind tricked him first and he still had access to his throw....which he used. Very annoying.
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  • I have also noticed recently that Kylo seems to be breaking Obi-Wan's Defensive Rush animation and preventing it from dealing damage. Kylo is breaking everything in this current build, why has he not been killswitched yet until the devs can fix the bugs?
  • brienj
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    How do you know he didn't block it? You can still block after being knocked down.
  • It needs to be active a little longer, hit slightly sooner in the animation, have a slightly shorter animation, and work consistently. Then it might really be worth using. Really, most of Obi-Wan's abilities could use slight tweaks in their speed and reliability (even his saber strikes which have an awkward, unusual stutter if you mash the trigger).
  • It’s not snappy, it’s too short, and it’s not a huge advantage.

    It should disable jumping, boba’s jet pack, and/or remove weapon reticles.
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  • brienj wrote: »
    How do you know he didn't block it? You can still block after being knocked down.

    1. Mind Trick is not a blockable force power afaik
    2. He is highlighted by the UI which is supposed to indicate that he was affected by Mind Trick
  • RyanK388
    1507 posts Member
    Isn’t Restrictive Mind Trick supposed to overheat enemies abilities so that is like they just used them and can’t use them on you?
  • RyanK388 wrote: »
    Isn’t Restrictive Mind Trick supposed to overheat enemies abilities so that is like they just used them and can’t use them on you?

    Yep, it is supposed to block the usage of abilities for 3 seconds (longer with the star card), but as the video clearly shows, it doesn't work half the time, as Kylo used Pull less than 3 seconds after I used Mind Trick.
  • That and defensive rush are two useless abilities on a character that just blocks 90% of the game anyway. Is there a more boring character to play? When you select him in HvV, you're basically signing on to be the proverbial "meat shield" for your team.
  • I think Restrictive Mind should have the same duration of Rey's Mind Trick and Kylo's Freeze in order to be effective imo.


  • Peepzilla wrote: »
    That and defensive rush are two useless abilities on a character that just blocks 90% of the game anyway. Is there a more boring character to play? When you select him in HvV, you're basically signing on to be the proverbial "meat shield" for your team.

    totally agree. All I have seen is players using him in HvV and holding the block everytime they become the target. Barely see any Obi-Wan on Top 5 at the end of the rounds.
  • brienj
    679 posts Member
    brienj wrote: »
    How do you know he didn't block it? You can still block after being knocked down.

    1. Mind Trick is not a blockable force power afaik
    2. He is highlighted by the UI which is supposed to indicate that he was affected by Mind Trick

    I've blocked it before.
  • brienj wrote: »
    brienj wrote: »
    How do you know he didn't block it? You can still block after being knocked down.

    1. Mind Trick is not a blockable force power afaik
    2. He is highlighted by the UI which is supposed to indicate that he was affected by Mind Trick

    I've blocked it before.

    If it is blockable, that should be changed by the developers. The ability has limited usefulness in HvV as is, pretty dumb to make it blockable.
  • Peepzilla wrote: »
    That and defensive rush are two useless abilities on a character that just blocks 90% of the game anyway. Is there a more boring character to play? When you select him in HvV, you're basically signing on to be the proverbial "meat shield" for your team.

    totally agree. All I have seen is players using him in HvV and holding the block everytime they become the target. Barely see any Obi-Wan on Top 5 at the end of the rounds.

    Yeah, he is underpowered in HvV right now for sure. I really hope he gets some buffs in the big March update week after next.
  • Peepzilla wrote: »
    That and defensive rush are two useless abilities on a character that just blocks 90% of the game anyway. Is there a more boring character to play? When you select him in HvV, you're basically signing on to be the proverbial "meat shield" for your team.

    totally agree. All I have seen is players using him in HvV and holding the block everytime they become the target. Barely see any Obi-Wan on Top 5 at the end of the rounds.

    Yeah, he is underpowered in HvV right now for sure. I really hope he gets some buffs in the big March update week after next.

    Damage buff and a revamp of his abilities would do wonders for him.
  • He needs an all out buff. Honestly his most balanced state in GA was when he was glitched with the 80% damage reduction, as broken as that sounds.
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  • RyanK388
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    edited March 24
    IMO because it doesn’t stop them from shooting your face and it doesn’t kill them at all
    ALSO I feel that restrictive mind trick is solely an anti-hero ability because heroes are more affected by having their abilities reset to just used than your basic trooper


    :edit: after agreeing to Twitter/watching the video it can appears to be blockable with a light saber so bummer
  • brienj
    679 posts Member
    edited March 25
    Peepzilla wrote: »
    That and defensive rush are two useless abilities on a character that just blocks 90% of the game anyway. Is there a more boring character to play? When you select him in HvV, you're basically signing on to be the proverbial "meat shield" for your team.

    totally agree. All I have seen is players using him in HvV and holding the block everytime they become the target. Barely see any Obi-Wan on Top 5 at the end of the rounds.

    Obi-Wan is a beast if you use him correctly. This is from a game yesterday, that didn't even last 5 minutes, and our Anakin didn't even really know how to play. The Anakin even had more eliminations, but almost all of my 15 eliminations were actual kills, including a bunch of the targets.

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  • DarthLando wrote: »
    His abilities suck compared to other force users

    I still think Obi has the best force push in the game.

    Aside from that hes definitely better than luke, damage wise.
  • ZephanUnbound
    1994 posts Member
    edited March 25
    brienj wrote: »
    Peepzilla wrote: »
    That and defensive rush are two useless abilities on a character that just blocks 90% of the game anyway. Is there a more boring character to play? When you select him in HvV, you're basically signing on to be the proverbial "meat shield" for your team.

    totally agree. All I have seen is players using him in HvV and holding the block everytime they become the target. Barely see any Obi-Wan on Top 5 at the end of the rounds.

    Obi-Wan is a beast if you use him correctly. This is from a game yesterday, that didn't even last 5 minutes, and our Anakin didn't even really know how to play. The Anakin even had more eliminations, but almost all of my 15 eliminations were actual kills, including a bunch of the targets.

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    You can beast with any hero/villain in this game if you know how to play them well, especially if the other team isn't that good. However, there is pretty clear power difference between some of the characters, and it is generally agreed upon that Obi-Wan is currently the 3rd weakest saber character out of the 10 in HvV, only better than Luke and Maul. Some people will put him ahead of Yoda as well, but I personally prefer Yoda to Obi-Wan since his dash attack can hit through blocks.
  • His mind trick needs to last longer and do more than it currently does in regards to disabling abilities and such. His push should be able to be used while jumping. His defensive rush is mostly fine, but perhaps speed it up a notch. His attack animations also need speeding up as well.
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  • He just needs a rework.
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  • brienj
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    brienj wrote: »
    Peepzilla wrote: »
    That and defensive rush are two useless abilities on a character that just blocks 90% of the game anyway. Is there a more boring character to play? When you select him in HvV, you're basically signing on to be the proverbial "meat shield" for your team.

    totally agree. All I have seen is players using him in HvV and holding the block everytime they become the target. Barely see any Obi-Wan on Top 5 at the end of the rounds.

    Obi-Wan is a beast if you use him correctly. This is from a game yesterday, that didn't even last 5 minutes, and our Anakin didn't even really know how to play. The Anakin even had more eliminations, but almost all of my 15 eliminations were actual kills, including a bunch of the targets.

    5d8u2uoybxqc.png

    You can beast with any hero/villain in this game if you know how to play them well, especially if the other team isn't that good. However, there is pretty clear power difference between some of the characters, and it is generally agreed upon that Obi-Wan is currently the 3rd weakest saber character out of the 10 in HvV, only better than Luke and Maul. Some people will put him ahead of Yoda as well, but I personally prefer Yoda to Obi-Wan since his dash attack can hit through blocks.

    I like playing as Yoda too, it's fun to kill players that are really cocky. I needed to level up Obi Wan though, so I was playing him over the weekend, along with other heroes I still needed to max out, and Yoda is maxed out.
  • mtokp304560
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    edited April 3
    I agree with you. I also think that Obi and his abilities are not the best. What about just swapping the Mind Trick or his Defensive Rush (or both :)) to another ability? Like a Lightsaber Throw or something?
    (Tbh I don't even really understand what mind tricks are looking for in this game, cause we are supposed to battle here not playing mind games, please tell me if I'm wrong)
  • brienj
    679 posts Member
    I agree with you. I also think that Obi and his abilities are not the best. What about just swapping the Mind Trick or his Defensive Rush (or both :)) to another ability? Like a Lightsaber Throw or something?
    (Tbh I don't even really understand what mind tricks are looking for in this game, cause we are supposed to battle here not playing mind games, please tell me if I'm wrong)

    His mind trick is great for killing blaster heroes, because they can't roll while they are mind tricked. Also saber users can't dodge while mind tricked. The ability to keep other people from using their abilities is a nice part of the mind trick, but the power from it is being able to keep people from rolling and dodging.
  • Clone201
    3682 posts Member
    @ZephanUnbound

    Restrictive Mind Trick is not so bad anymore since Capital Supremacy. It's been buffed to 4.5 seconds of duration.

    He can now effectively 100-0 any blaster wielder but Boba Fett in 1v1 before it's even wears out, more so with the card "Think It Over" which increases it duration.
    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
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