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  • bfloo wrote: »
    Wolfman91 wrote: »
    Explain how any of you can call yourselfs Star Wars fans when you only think the ot is good and everything else sucks?

    Am I supposed to love every crap that George Lucas made to be a Star Wars fan ?

    Midichlorians, whole chosen one concept, Jar Jar, dialogues - it's all (in my opinion, but i'm not the only one) bad.

    I hate what Disney did to Luke and the rest. I don't like Rey, Kylo, Rose or Hux, and I don't like the way Disney kinda ruined the original trio's achievements but I gotta say - these movies are more entertaining than Prequels.

    What was wrong with the chosen one concept?

    Nothing.
    Heroes are born on the battlefront... especially if you play the objective.
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  • TjPunx wrote: »
    OT fans is the only reason you still have SW around now. We kept it alive all these years.

    No you didn’t
  • bfloo wrote: »
    TjPunx wrote: »
    OT fans is the only reason you still have SW around now. We kept it alive all these years.

    No you didn’t

    He is pretty much right.

    The pt got a worse reception than the st, and the reboots all revolved around the ot nostalgia.

    So Star Wars is Still around because the ot fans even after the bad pt reception?
  • Cane_danko
    1247 posts Member
    It could be because all of the money both pt and st made... but is that how the world works? With money? Naw... that could never be true
  • Wolfman91
    520 posts Member
    edited April 9
    IMO the chosen one concept and midichlorians are making the force, that was so unique and magical in OT, something much less interesting and kinda trivial. It was never needed. It was never stated in Orignal films that Anakin was a chosen one. All we knew he was talented Jedi and great pilot, just like Luke. I think that without it, Anakin's portrayal in Prequels could be better. He would have to prove that he was very talented. Maybe he wouldn't be such a bratty kid. We've never seen how powerful Anakin was, the only impressive thing he did was defeating Dooku.



    And last but not least - We wouldn't have such a ridiculously overpowered hero in the game ;d
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  • Wolfman91 wrote: »
    IMO the chosen one concept and midichlorians are making the force, that was so unique and magical in OT, something much less interesting and kinda trivial. It was never needed. It was never stated in Orignal films that Anakin was a chosen one. All we knew he was talented Jedi and great pilot, just like Luke. I think that without it, Anakin's portrayal in Prequels could be better. He would have to prove that he was very talented. Maybe he wouldn't be such a bratty kid. We've never saw how powerful Anakin was, the only impressive thing he did was defeating Dooku.



    And last but not least - We wouldn't have such a ridiculously overpowered hero in the game ;d
    Blah blah blah
  • Wolfman91
    520 posts Member
    edited April 9
    Wolfman91 wrote: »
    Explain how any of you can call yourselfs Star Wars fans when you only think the ot is good and everything else sucks?

    Am I supposed to love every crap that George Lucas made to be a Star Wars fan ?

    Midichlorians, whole chosen one concept, Jar Jar, dialogues - it's all (in my opinion, but i'm not the only one) bad.

    I hate what Disney did to Luke and the rest. I don't like Rey, Kylo, Rose or Hux, and I don't like the way Disney kinda ruined the original trio's achievements but I gotta say - these movies are more entertaining than Prequels.

    I didn’t know ******** on majority of the films makes u a fan?

    Yea, why not ? OT is literally the Star Wars. ANH was even called STAR WARS back in 1977 ;v

    Originals started it all and I don't have to like PT or ST to be a fan. When I was a kid, I fairly enjoyed Prequels, but after all these years I can't find any reason to watch them again.

    Sequels are messing up my favourite characters, but they are not bad movies. I fairly enjoyed them too. When it comes to filmmaking, they are definately better than Prequels. If they weren't called Star Wars, I would like them much more.
  • bfloo wrote: »
    TjPunx wrote: »
    OT fans is the only reason you still have SW around now. We kept it alive all these years.

    No you didn’t

    He is pretty much right.

    The pt got a worse reception than the st, and the reboots all revolved around the ot nostalgia.

    So Star Wars is Still around because the ot fans even after the bad pt reception?

    That's exactly it... yeah. Back then there were only OT fans.
    Heroes are born on the battlefront... especially if you play the objective.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    TjPunx wrote: »
    OT fans is the only reason you still have SW around now. We kept it alive all these years.

    No you didn’t

    He is pretty much right.

    The pt got a worse reception than the st, and the reboots all revolved around the ot nostalgia.

    So Star Wars is Still around because the ot fans even after the bad pt reception?

    That's exactly it... yeah. Back then there were only OT fans.

    So you guys are still keeping Star Wars around and though you **** all the films after the ot?? It’s you guys keeping it around? 😂
  • bfloo wrote: »
    TjPunx wrote: »
    OT fans is the only reason you still have SW around now. We kept it alive all these years.

    No you didn’t

    He is pretty much right.

    The pt got a worse reception than the st, and the reboots all revolved around the ot nostalgia.

    So Star Wars is Still around because the ot fans even after the bad pt reception?

    That's exactly it... yeah. Back then there were only OT fans.

    So you guys are still keeping Star Wars around and though you **** all the films after the ot?? It’s you guys keeping it around? 😂

    No, the OT fans kept it alive through everything. You do realize that without those OT fans Star Wars would never have caught on, right? They might not be sustaining it now, but they are a constant in fan support.
    Heroes are born on the battlefront... especially if you play the objective.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    TjPunx wrote: »
    OT fans is the only reason you still have SW around now. We kept it alive all these years.

    No you didn’t

    He is pretty much right.

    The pt got a worse reception than the st, and the reboots all revolved around the ot nostalgia.

    So Star Wars is Still around because the ot fans even after the bad pt reception?

    That's exactly it... yeah. Back then there were only OT fans.

    So you guys are still keeping Star Wars around and though you **** all the films after the ot?? It’s you guys keeping it around? 😂

    No, the OT fans kept it alive through everything. You do realize that without those OT fans Star Wars would never have caught on, right? They might not be sustaining it now, but they are a constant in fan support.

    What fan support? Ot fans **** on everything after the ot what support is that lol
  • bfloo
    15681 posts Member
    Wolfman91 wrote: »
    IMO the chosen one concept and midichlorians are making the force, that was so unique and magical in OT, something much less interesting and kinda trivial. It was never needed. It was never stated in Orignal films that Anakin was a chosen one. All we knew he was talented Jedi and great pilot, just like Luke. I think that without it, Anakin's portrayal in Prequels could be better. He would have to prove that he was very talented. Maybe he wouldn't be such a bratty kid. We've never seen how powerful Anakin was, the only impressive thing he did was defeating Dooku.



    And last but not least - We wouldn't have such a ridiculously overpowered hero in the game ;d

    Ok, I'm with you about midichlorians and I am just going to ignore the game part (though a valid point these days).

    I understand your point about the chosen one concept, but I wonder if you ever really got into the EU, where mysticism was discussed in more detail, yet glanced over in the films and toons.

    Sacking the Jedi Temple 10 minutes after becoming a Sith was more impressive than taking down Dooku.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    TjPunx wrote: »
    OT fans is the only reason you still have SW around now. We kept it alive all these years.

    No you didn’t

    He is pretty much right.

    The pt got a worse reception than the st, and the reboots all revolved around the ot nostalgia.

    So Star Wars is Still around because the ot fans even after the bad pt reception?

    That's exactly it... yeah. Back then there were only OT fans.

    So you guys are still keeping Star Wars around and though you **** all the films after the ot?? It’s you guys keeping it around? 😂

    No, the OT fans kept it alive through everything. You do realize that without those OT fans Star Wars would never have caught on, right? They might not be sustaining it now, but they are a constant in fan support.

    What fan support? Ot fans **** on everything after the ot what support is that lol

    I'm an OT fan. OT fan does not equal a fan of only the OT.
    Heroes are born on the battlefront... especially if you play the objective.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    TjPunx wrote: »
    OT fans is the only reason you still have SW around now. We kept it alive all these years.

    No you didn’t

    He is pretty much right.

    The pt got a worse reception than the st, and the reboots all revolved around the ot nostalgia.

    So Star Wars is Still around because the ot fans even after the bad pt reception?

    That's exactly it... yeah. Back then there were only OT fans.

    So you guys are still keeping Star Wars around and though you **** all the films after the ot?? It’s you guys keeping it around? 😂

    No, the OT fans kept it alive through everything. You do realize that without those OT fans Star Wars would never have caught on, right? They might not be sustaining it now, but they are a constant in fan support.

    What fan support? Ot fans **** on everything after the ot what support is that lol

    I'm an OT fan. OT fan does not equal a fan of only the OT.

    Majority of ot fans are just ot fans and hate on every thing else if your not one of them then great
  • I hope the new trilogy has X wings and A wings
  • SnakeMajin wrote: »
    Actually, I have a suggestion of why PT is "now" appreciated.

    PT films aren't good. Or at least not as good as people who were kids back then remember. It's not the films that got the people into it, it's the lore they brought. It's the era itself.
    The PT films brought a lot to the SW universe behind the cinematic flaws. Lucas had the guts to bring more different planets, ships, weapons and aliens than the ST dares doing.
    I mean, we got to see the legendary Clone Wars Obi-Wan was talking about in ANH. We got to see a full Jedi Order fighting. The films aren't great but the era has a lot to offer. Providing to the lore is actually what got people into TCW. Some people even complained only 1/5 of episodes were about the war itself in the end.

    ST is good looking but for the moment an empty shell, in comparison. The films themselves lack too much lore-providing and context. But it is still Star Wars and should have content.

    Bingo! Hit the nail right on the head. PT IMO is good ideas but executed not as well some had hoped. Where as the ST is a bad story executed well. I think more fans appreciate the prequels more because of the creativity within them.

    Now as for the topic at hand, whilst I am part of the crowd that hates the ST and doesn’t acknowledge it as canon. It's only fair ST does get more content within the game. But my question is what more could they do? Only thing I can think of is adding Poe as a playable ground hero and maybe General Hux too. Guess we'll have to wait for Episode IX to come out for more ideas.
    People always jump right to Poe as a hero, but I never see anyone mention Maz as a LS jetpack hero to counter the Fett(s). I would like Poe, but I'd much rather see Maz first! And then for the DS, there's always DJ (with maybe a scramble ability like the specialist, and a disruptor as well) -- I think he'd be more playable than Hux, who doesn't actually do anything.
  • Hux can take a pounding though
  • Wolfman91 wrote: »
    Explain how any of you can call yourselfs Star Wars fans when you only think the ot is good and everything else sucks?

    Am I supposed to love every crap that George Lucas made to be a Star Wars fan ?

    Midichlorians, whole chosen one concept, Jar Jar, dialogues - it's all (in my opinion, but i'm not the only one) bad.

    I hate what Disney did to Luke and the rest. I don't like Rey, Kylo, Rose or Hux, and I don't like the way Disney kinda ruined the original trio's achievements but I gotta say - these movies are more entertaining than Prequels.

    I didn’t know ******** on majority of the films makes u a fan?

    Something tells me you're too young to understand.
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  • TheScape
    2236 posts Member
    bfloo wrote: »
    Wolfman91 wrote: »
    Explain how any of you can call yourselfs Star Wars fans when you only think the ot is good and everything else sucks?

    Am I supposed to love every crap that George Lucas made to be a Star Wars fan ?

    Midichlorians, whole chosen one concept, Jar Jar, dialogues - it's all (in my opinion, but i'm not the only one) bad.

    I hate what Disney did to Luke and the rest. I don't like Rey, Kylo, Rose or Hux, and I don't like the way Disney kinda ruined the original trio's achievements but I gotta say - these movies are more entertaining than Prequels.

    What was wrong with the chosen one concept?

    I have nothing against the concept of having "a chosen one". But its development was not the best one.
    Is he the chosen one to bring balance according to the Mortis stuff from TCW? Even if it was supposed to be metaphorical, the show took it as a quite literal thing.
    Is he the chosen one because he overthrows the Emperor? So, anything before the prequels does not matter at all, and everything after episode VI has no bearing on balance? Is the Emperor really that important for balance?
    It feels like George Lucas thought that adding a prophecy for Anakin would make it cool, seeing how he ultimately betrays the light side and becomes the dark side champion, but he never tried to explore it much in the movies and we are left with everyone's interpretation of what it means. And in case that wasn't enough, he decided to give us yet another possible prophecy in TCW TV show, just for fun. Don't get me wrong, I like the more mystical part of the force, but the Mortis stuff doesn't really help with the prophecy.
    May your heart be your guiding key.
  • My problem with anakin is he made the jump to darth vader to suddenly. Like okay i get it he wants to save padme but he just goes crazy and starts killing younglings and jedi for palpatine. It is a pretty big leap for his character who owes everything to the jedi and besides being rebellious and a bit arrogant was one of the greatest jedi ever. I do forgive the movie because it does try to fit a lot in such a short span but yeah... i also like how in the sequels they at least justify how the jedi order was essentially wrong in its inability to let go of its own dogma. I.e. so against attachment which ultimately led anakin to betraying the order. It also ties into luke rejecting obiwan and yoda’s teaching to kill his own father.
  • bfloo
    15681 posts Member
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    My problem with anakin is he made the jump to darth vader to suddenly. Like okay i get it he wants to save padme but he just goes crazy and starts killing younglings and jedi for palpatine. It is a pretty big leap for his character who owes everything to the jedi and besides being rebellious and a bit arrogant was one of the greatest jedi ever. I do forgive the movie because it does try to fit a lot in such a short span but yeah... i also like how in the sequels they at least justify how the jedi order was essentially wrong in its inability to let go of its own dogma. I.e. so against attachment which ultimately led anakin to betraying the order. It also ties into luke rejecting obiwan and yoda’s teaching to kill his own father.

    It really took years. Bad film editing took out a lot of scenes that showed where his head was and how Palps manipulated him. Even in AotC you could see he didn't think the system worked.
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  • TheScape
    2236 posts Member
    bfloo wrote: »
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    My problem with anakin is he made the jump to darth vader to suddenly. Like okay i get it he wants to save padme but he just goes crazy and starts killing younglings and jedi for palpatine. It is a pretty big leap for his character who owes everything to the jedi and besides being rebellious and a bit arrogant was one of the greatest jedi ever. I do forgive the movie because it does try to fit a lot in such a short span but yeah... i also like how in the sequels they at least justify how the jedi order was essentially wrong in its inability to let go of its own dogma. I.e. so against attachment which ultimately led anakin to betraying the order. It also ties into luke rejecting obiwan and yoda’s teaching to kill his own father.

    It really took years. Bad film editing took out a lot of scenes that showed where his head was and how Palps manipulated him. Even in AotC you could see he didn't think the system worked.

    My problem is... We wasted a movie on him as a kid. Then we only had 2 movies left and we needed to see him become one of the best Jedi generals and warriors and fall to the dark side afterwards. We barely got any of the two. It would have been great seeing him rise as a flawed but honorable person, but then see him cracking slowly until he voluntarily gave up to the dark side thanks to Palpatine's manipulation.
    May your heart be your guiding key.
  • Cane_danko wrote: »
    My problem with anakin is he made the jump to darth vader to suddenly. Like okay i get it he wants to save padme but he just goes crazy and starts killing younglings and jedi for palpatine. It is a pretty big leap for his character who owes everything to the jedi and besides being rebellious and a bit arrogant was one of the greatest jedi ever. I do forgive the movie because it does try to fit a lot in such a short span but yeah... i also like how in the sequels they at least justify how the jedi order was essentially wrong in its inability to let go of its own dogma. I.e. so against attachment which ultimately led anakin to betraying the order. It also ties into luke rejecting obiwan and yoda’s teaching to kill his own father.

    You should read the Revenge of the Sith novelization. It gives more context to Anakin’s fall.
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  • I like him a lot as a kid. I even like his character in attack of the clones (did not care for the acting however). In rots he is full blown “anakin” and while i think it is the strongest of the prequels and i do mostly agree with how they handled his character, i just feel it is a big jump from not agreeing with the jedi order and just turning into a murderous sith. Like the padme thing was a good root cause but i think it should have been something else as well to trigger it. Not really going to happen now i know but just saying for the sake of discussion.
  • The ST needs more love! Great characters and great content can be added to the game! Y’all Star Wars “fans” just love to hate these movies for the sake of it.. let me ask you this a lot of people dislike the PT yet it’s still in the game and being added but I don’t see anyone boycotting it so stop wasting you’re energy trying to do so for the ST

    Majority of fans hate the sequels as do I. It's mostly clone wars content (not PT)
  • Cane_danko wrote: »
    I like him a lot as a kid. I even like his character in attack of the clones (did not care for the acting however). In rots he is full blown “anakin” and while i think it is the strongest of the prequels and i do mostly agree with how they handled his character, i just feel it is a big jump from not agreeing with the jedi order and just turning into a murderous sith. Like the padme thing was a good root cause but i think it should have been something else as well to trigger it. Not really going to happen now i know but just saying for the sake of discussion.

    The Prequels certainly could have been handled better.
    Heroes are born on the battlefront... especially if you play the objective.
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  • TheScape wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    My problem with anakin is he made the jump to darth vader to suddenly. Like okay i get it he wants to save padme but he just goes crazy and starts killing younglings and jedi for palpatine. It is a pretty big leap for his character who owes everything to the jedi and besides being rebellious and a bit arrogant was one of the greatest jedi ever. I do forgive the movie because it does try to fit a lot in such a short span but yeah... i also like how in the sequels they at least justify how the jedi order was essentially wrong in its inability to let go of its own dogma. I.e. so against attachment which ultimately led anakin to betraying the order. It also ties into luke rejecting obiwan and yoda’s teaching to kill his own father.

    It really took years. Bad film editing took out a lot of scenes that showed where his head was and how Palps manipulated him. Even in AotC you could see he didn't think the system worked.

    My problem is... We wasted a movie on him as a kid. Then we only had 2 movies left and we needed to see him become one of the best Jedi generals and warriors and fall to the dark side afterwards. We barely got any of the two. It would have been great seeing him rise as a flawed but honorable person, but then see him cracking slowly until he voluntarily gave up to the dark side thanks to Palpatine's manipulation.

    And if we didn’t get a movie with him as a kid everyone would cry and complain because we don’t know where he comes from or how he was brought up!
  • angrycal04 wrote: »
    The ST needs more love! Great characters and great content can be added to the game! Y’all Star Wars “fans” just love to hate these movies for the sake of it.. let me ask you this a lot of people dislike the PT yet it’s still in the game and being added but I don’t see anyone boycotting it so stop wasting you’re energy trying to do so for the ST

    Majority of fans hate the sequels as do I. It's mostly clone wars content (not PT)


    Loud minority! Same thing with the prequels
  • Sorry, but the OT is much more loved than the ST. Also, there is not that much content they could add.
  • Sorry, but the OT is much more loved than the ST. Also, there is not that much content they could add.

    Who said otherwise? Lol
  • SnakeMajin
    421 posts Member
    edited April 10
    I remember in 2008, such debates between PT from EU and PT from TCW. Same behaviors between people. When it comes to hating Ahsoka, OT-only people are jokes here compared to hardcore EU PT defenders.

    Something that will never change, is having people calling themselves "true" fans of the "true" Star Wars. What ever one's definition of "true". Nor having "true" fans of any "true" part of anything. It helps one's confidence to feel superior to someone. Mostly when it comes to real life-troubling matters such as the direction of Star Wars. :*
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  • TheScape
    2236 posts Member
    TheScape wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    My problem with anakin is he made the jump to darth vader to suddenly. Like okay i get it he wants to save padme but he just goes crazy and starts killing younglings and jedi for palpatine. It is a pretty big leap for his character who owes everything to the jedi and besides being rebellious and a bit arrogant was one of the greatest jedi ever. I do forgive the movie because it does try to fit a lot in such a short span but yeah... i also like how in the sequels they at least justify how the jedi order was essentially wrong in its inability to let go of its own dogma. I.e. so against attachment which ultimately led anakin to betraying the order. It also ties into luke rejecting obiwan and yoda’s teaching to kill his own father.

    It really took years. Bad film editing took out a lot of scenes that showed where his head was and how Palps manipulated him. Even in AotC you could see he didn't think the system worked.

    My problem is... We wasted a movie on him as a kid. Then we only had 2 movies left and we needed to see him become one of the best Jedi generals and warriors and fall to the dark side afterwards. We barely got any of the two. It would have been great seeing him rise as a flawed but honorable person, but then see him cracking slowly until he voluntarily gave up to the dark side thanks to Palpatine's manipulation.

    And if we didn’t get a movie with him as a kid everyone would cry and complain because we don’t know where he comes from or how he was brought up!

    Maybe? I clearly said that it was MY opinion. I wouldn't care if we didn't get him as a kid. And if you want to go that way... Saying he comes from the force (jesus-style) was a really weird way to introduce him. I would have been okay with him as a kid for the start of the movie with a time skip to a teenager Anakin. But, again, that is MY opinion and I am not trying to claim that "everyone" thinks the same.
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    Fail


    Mayo
    Where's the offline content?
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  • Let's turn this into another sandwich thread!
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  • Let's turn this into another sandwich thread!

    Go somewhere else with that *****
  • TheScape wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    Wolfman91 wrote: »
    Explain how any of you can call yourselfs Star Wars fans when you only think the ot is good and everything else sucks?

    Am I supposed to love every crap that George Lucas made to be a Star Wars fan ?

    Midichlorians, whole chosen one concept, Jar Jar, dialogues - it's all (in my opinion, but i'm not the only one) bad.

    I hate what Disney did to Luke and the rest. I don't like Rey, Kylo, Rose or Hux, and I don't like the way Disney kinda ruined the original trio's achievements but I gotta say - these movies are more entertaining than Prequels.

    What was wrong with the chosen one concept?

    I have nothing against the concept of having "a chosen one". But its development was not the best one.
    Is he the chosen one to bring balance according to the Mortis stuff from TCW? Even if it was supposed to be metaphorical, the show took it as a quite literal thing.
    Is he the chosen one because he overthrows the Emperor? So, anything before the prequels does not matter at all, and everything after episode VI has no bearing on balance? Is the Emperor really that important for balance?
    It feels like George Lucas thought that adding a prophecy for Anakin would make it cool, seeing how he ultimately betrays the light side and becomes the dark side champion, but he never tried to explore it much in the movies and we are left with everyone's interpretation of what it means. And in case that wasn't enough, he decided to give us yet another possible prophecy in TCW TV show, just for fun. Don't get me wrong, I like the more mystical part of the force, but the Mortis stuff doesn't really help with the prophecy.

    On one point you are completely right, the prophecy is all up for debacle.
    My humble opinion is he brought balance with the slaughter at the Jedi temple, think about it, hundreds of Jedi and two sith? And the Jedi lost their way to complacency and became blinded by arrogance, then Anakin comes and brings back the balance. Few Jedi left that actually have woken up from being total jerks. It's more than likely Lucas didn't think of it this way but dude, does that make sense.
  • Cane_danko wrote: »
    I mean everyone knows the quality of movies goes OT > sequels > prequels. Anything else is just opinion.
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    Just don’t do this... You know you’re baiting people... just stop. You’re becoming part of the problem.
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  • SnakeMajin
    421 posts Member
    edited April 11
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    I mean everyone knows the quality of movies goes OT > sequels > prequels. Anything else is just opinion.

    I'd beg to differ.
    OT tops it. But as of now, with the two films it had, ST fails :

    - Barely anything brought to the universe and lore, unless you consider black TIE Fighters, blue X-Wings, square-antenna Falcon, and Earth-looking planets a step forward from OT.
    - No context. The rare derivative risks lose all taste as not built properly (Snoke...).
    - No long-term vision : just look at the designs of Rey and Kylo, step back from Ep.8.
    - Mary-Sue hero = No fear for the character = No attachment. Just like Captain Marvel.

    Cinematic and visual qualities don't make it all. Yet I'd be happy to see Ep.9 reversing the trend by providing a lot to the overall Star Wars universe while justifying choices from previous films and providing lacking context.
  • SnakeMajin wrote: »
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    I mean everyone knows the quality of movies goes OT > sequels > prequels. Anything else is just opinion.

    I'd beg to differ.
    OT tops it. But as of now, with the two films it had, ST fails :

    - Barely anything brought to the universe and lore, unless you consider black TIE Fighters, blue X-Wings, square-antenna Falcon, and Earth-looking planets a step forward from OT.
    - No context. The rare derivative risks lose all taste as not built properly (Snoke...).
    - No long-term vision : just look at the designs of Rey and Kylo, step back from Ep.8.
    - Mary-Sue hero = No fear for the character = No attachment. Just like Captain Marvel.

    Cinematic and visual qualities don't make it all. Yet I'd be happy to see Ep.9 reversing the trend by providing a lot to the overall Star Wars universe while justifying choices from previous films and providing lacking context.

    Agreed. Now, would anyone like to offer a reasonable counterargument?

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  • TheScape
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    SnakeMajin wrote: »
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    I mean everyone knows the quality of movies goes OT > sequels > prequels. Anything else is just opinion.

    I'd beg to differ.
    OT tops it. But as of now, with the two films it had, ST fails :

    - Barely anything brought to the universe and lore, unless you consider black TIE Fighters, blue X-Wings, square-antenna Falcon, and Earth-looking planets a step forward from OT.
    - No context. The rare derivative risks lose all taste as not built properly (Snoke...).
    - No long-term vision : just look at the designs of Rey and Kylo, step back from Ep.8.
    - Mary-Sue hero = No fear for the character = No attachment. Just like Captain Marvel.

    Cinematic and visual qualities don't make it all. Yet I'd be happy to see Ep.9 reversing the trend by providing a lot to the overall Star Wars universe while justifying choices from previous films and providing lacking context.

    Agreed. Now, would anyone like to offer a reasonable counterargument?

    The only counterargument I can give (which is more of an excuse) is that they didn't have a unified and coherent vision for the whole trilogy. Abrams did his thing, Johnson did his thing... And now it's up to Abrams to tie everything up. That is why there isn't much context or long-term vision. I have nothing for the other two points and even as a somebody that likes the ST I hate how everything looks like a reskin from the OT (with some exceptions).
    I would also add that the best part of the ST (for me) is the character development. Kylo's evolution through both movies and his relationship with Rey was well done. I also like how Finn little by little actually becomes a hero after being a coward.
    May your heart be your guiding key.
  • TheScape wrote: »
    SnakeMajin wrote: »
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    I mean everyone knows the quality of movies goes OT > sequels > prequels. Anything else is just opinion.

    I'd beg to differ.
    OT tops it. But as of now, with the two films it had, ST fails :

    - Barely anything brought to the universe and lore, unless you consider black TIE Fighters, blue X-Wings, square-antenna Falcon, and Earth-looking planets a step forward from OT.
    - No context. The rare derivative risks lose all taste as not built properly (Snoke...).
    - No long-term vision : just look at the designs of Rey and Kylo, step back from Ep.8.
    - Mary-Sue hero = No fear for the character = No attachment. Just like Captain Marvel.

    Cinematic and visual qualities don't make it all. Yet I'd be happy to see Ep.9 reversing the trend by providing a lot to the overall Star Wars universe while justifying choices from previous films and providing lacking context.

    Agreed. Now, would anyone like to offer a reasonable counterargument?

    The only counterargument I can give (which is more of an excuse) is that they didn't have a unified and coherent vision for the whole trilogy. Abrams did his thing, Johnson did his thing... And now it's up to Abrams to tie everything up. That is why there isn't much context or long-term vision. I have nothing for the other two points and even as a somebody that likes the ST I hate how everything looks like a reskin from the OT (with some exceptions).
    I would also add that the best part of the ST (for me) is the character development. Kylo's evolution through both movies and his relationship with Rey was well done. I also like how Finn little by little actually becomes a hero after being a coward.

    Kinda flimsy and yeah, more of an excuse than a counterargument. I challenge the ST supporters to give a solid argument for this trilogy!
    Heroes are born on the battlefront... especially if you play the objective.
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  • TheScape
    2236 posts Member
    TheScape wrote: »
    SnakeMajin wrote: »
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    I mean everyone knows the quality of movies goes OT > sequels > prequels. Anything else is just opinion.

    I'd beg to differ.
    OT tops it. But as of now, with the two films it had, ST fails :

    - Barely anything brought to the universe and lore, unless you consider black TIE Fighters, blue X-Wings, square-antenna Falcon, and Earth-looking planets a step forward from OT.
    - No context. The rare derivative risks lose all taste as not built properly (Snoke...).
    - No long-term vision : just look at the designs of Rey and Kylo, step back from Ep.8.
    - Mary-Sue hero = No fear for the character = No attachment. Just like Captain Marvel.

    Cinematic and visual qualities don't make it all. Yet I'd be happy to see Ep.9 reversing the trend by providing a lot to the overall Star Wars universe while justifying choices from previous films and providing lacking context.

    Agreed. Now, would anyone like to offer a reasonable counterargument?

    The only counterargument I can give (which is more of an excuse) is that they didn't have a unified and coherent vision for the whole trilogy. Abrams did his thing, Johnson did his thing... And now it's up to Abrams to tie everything up. That is why there isn't much context or long-term vision. I have nothing for the other two points and even as a somebody that likes the ST I hate how everything looks like a reskin from the OT (with some exceptions).
    I would also add that the best part of the ST (for me) is the character development. Kylo's evolution through both movies and his relationship with Rey was well done. I also like how Finn little by little actually becomes a hero after being a coward.

    Kinda flimsy and yeah, more of an excuse than a counterargument. I challenge the ST supporters to give a solid argument for this trilogy!

    There is still a movie left... It might redeem some flaws.
    May your heart be your guiding key.
  • TheScape wrote: »
    TheScape wrote: »
    SnakeMajin wrote: »
    Cane_danko wrote: »
    I mean everyone knows the quality of movies goes OT > sequels > prequels. Anything else is just opinion.

    I'd beg to differ.
    OT tops it. But as of now, with the two films it had, ST fails :

    - Barely anything brought to the universe and lore, unless you consider black TIE Fighters, blue X-Wings, square-antenna Falcon, and Earth-looking planets a step forward from OT.
    - No context. The rare derivative risks lose all taste as not built properly (Snoke...).
    - No long-term vision : just look at the designs of Rey and Kylo, step back from Ep.8.
    - Mary-Sue hero = No fear for the character = No attachment. Just like Captain Marvel.

    Cinematic and visual qualities don't make it all. Yet I'd be happy to see Ep.9 reversing the trend by providing a lot to the overall Star Wars universe while justifying choices from previous films and providing lacking context.

    Agreed. Now, would anyone like to offer a reasonable counterargument?

    The only counterargument I can give (which is more of an excuse) is that they didn't have a unified and coherent vision for the whole trilogy. Abrams did his thing, Johnson did his thing... And now it's up to Abrams to tie everything up. That is why there isn't much context or long-term vision. I have nothing for the other two points and even as a somebody that likes the ST I hate how everything looks like a reskin from the OT (with some exceptions).
    I would also add that the best part of the ST (for me) is the character development. Kylo's evolution through both movies and his relationship with Rey was well done. I also like how Finn little by little actually becomes a hero after being a coward.

    Kinda flimsy and yeah, more of an excuse than a counterargument. I challenge the ST supporters to give a solid argument for this trilogy!

    There is still a movie left... It might redeem some flaws.

    Still not very convincing...
    Heroes are born on the battlefront... especially if you play the objective.
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  • Wolfman91 wrote: »
    Explain how any of you can call yourselfs Star Wars fans when you only think the ot is good and everything else sucks?

    Am I supposed to love every crap that George Lucas made to be a Star Wars fan ?

    Midichlorians, whole chosen one concept, Jar Jar, dialogues - it's all (in my opinion, but i'm not the only one) bad.

    I hate what Disney did to Luke and the rest. I don't like Rey, Kylo, Rose or Hux, and I don't like the way Disney kinda ruined the original trio's achievements but I gotta say - these movies are more entertaining than Prequels.

    well said, i agree. I too hate and despise the so called new trilogy. i grew up watching the original trilogy on VHS I loved the prequels, the clone wars, rebels..... heck anything before the horrible fan fiction that is the "so called new trilogy."
  • I also think Episode 9 has the cards to redeem some stuff. It just doesn't start well with Kylo "f*cked-my-mask-but-now-I-am-the-boss-so-I-repair-it" Ren and "I'm-desert-hobo-then-jedi-then-hobo-back-again-with-a-samurai-pony-tail" Rey.

    Just like Rogue One actually brought light and corrected a ANH easy plot hole with the Death Star weak point ?

    Anyway, ST should have content. It is canon, it has visibiltiy these years and it has fans. Whether we are among them or not won't should not change that. I actually have fun with Rey, Kylo or ST maps except Jakku in the game !
  • SnakeMajin wrote: »
    I also think Episode 9 has the cards to redeem some stuff. It just doesn't start well with Kylo "f*cked-my-mask-but-now-I-am-the-boss-so-I-repair-it" Ren and "I'm-desert-hobo-then-jedi-then-hobo-back-again-with-a-samurai-pony-tail" Rey.

    Just like Rogue One actually brought light and corrected a ANH easy plot hole with the Death Star weak point ?

    Anyway, ST should have content. It is canon, it has visibiltiy these years and it has fans. Whether we are among them or not won't should not change that. I actually have fun with Rey, Kylo or ST maps except Jakku in the game !

    True, but nothing will ever truly fix what The Last Jedi did.
    Heroes are born on the battlefront... especially if you play the objective.
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