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"Immersion" is the worst and only reason to era lock

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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies. But regardless, even if you don’t trust the audience score, the critic score is even worse, that us where the critics get bought out and shill the most in order to keep their jobs and get extra benefits like preview screenings etc. I thought you would have known that with the tin foil hat that you are wearing.
    However, putting conspiracies aside, why does mostly every movie that has come out in recent times have polar opposite critic and audience scores, in which the audience score genuinely reflects how the majority of viewers felt about the movie. Here are some examples:
    Captain Marvel
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7/10 critic
    - (RT) Shilled so hard for it that there is no longer scores
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7.1/10 critic

    Critics aren't judging by entertainment quality. They have a checklist of things a film needs to do, but they forgot to add character building to the list.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies.

    So you would agree that when the mob senses an ideology they don't agree with they will down vote the movie regardless if the ideology is there or not and if the movie it self is good or not? There you will find why the critics like those movies and the "fans" do not.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies. But regardless, even if you don’t trust the audience score, the critic score is even worse, that us where the critics get bought out and shill the most in order to keep their jobs and get extra benefits like preview screenings etc. I thought you would have known that with the tin foil hat that you are wearing.
    However, putting conspiracies aside, why does mostly every movie that has come out in recent times have polar opposite critic and audience scores, in which the audience score genuinely reflects how the majority of viewers felt about the movie. Here are some examples:
    Captain Marvel
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7/10 critic
    - (RT) Shilled so hard for it that there is no longer scores
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7.1/10 critic

    Critics aren't judging by entertainment quality. They have a checklist of things a film needs to do, but they forgot to add character building to the list.

    That's not what critics do. And TLJ has the best character building in all the saga. So yeah. There's that.

    Rian actually did a great job developing Rose.

    For all the hate the character received, she is one of the few in the ST that has been consistent and I actually understand her motivations for the dumb things she does. Even that second rate code breaker they bought (I'm going blank on his name) was pretty well developed for being a side character.

    Love or hate TLJ, Rian > JJ when it comes to character building.

    Rey and especially Finn just seem to react as the script needs them to.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.


    No idea when the PT became popular.

    It's not. It was garbage then and it's garbage now.

    Wow, never met anyone that likes the ST and not the PT. Do you like the OT?

    If i have to be honest, in terms of the movies i dont think any of them are amazing apart from rogue one and rots. Mainly because wen i hear star wars i want a huge war and most of the battles in the movies tend to be quite small in comparison to these. However im a huge fan of the actual star wars universe and the stories of the huge battles which is y i love clone wars so much. They have some really big fights with so many special units. But in the movies i never feel like we really get to see a grasp from a ground point of view in the eyes of the average troopers. Rots didnt have this as much from a trooper standpoint but there was tonnes of fights and you could really feel the scale of the war even from the jedis point of view.

    Wait but what about the OT? I dont think that was ever intended to be an all out war or anything. It was just a small group (relative to the size of the empire) that tried to gather info so they could attack effectively and deal huge damage in small battles. They didn't have the man power or resources to wage a galactic war against the empire like the separatist army did. Like I know the clone wars is great and it's cool seeing how a massive war is fought in that universe, but OT would have to be considered to be the core of the star wars universe and how the "heart" of it lies all within Vader, Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie and the 2 droids. Without those movies and characters this franchise has no soul, so surely they have to be considered amazing movies by any star wars fan right?

    Not really. I personally think those movies are just really dull in colouring which i understand was the technology back then. But personally i dont think the era is that great and its the same reason as st. The thing that really makes star wars special is the force and lightsabers, without this its just another futuristic franchise with aliens guns and spaceships. Yet in these two eras, theres practically no force users and they are very bad wielding a lightsaber. Im sure if it was done to date george lucas would have given them better fighting and probably more colour over all because even rogue one pops a lot more. Im just not the biggest fan of the ot movies, then again like i said also not the biggest fan of the 1 and 2 either. I just dont think they can quite get the movies right and i think the reason for it is the time gaps. For example i think episode three holds a lot more value now that we have the clone wars and see anakins dark side popping out here and there as well as his overall views disagreeing with the jedi. Without this series we just have to imagine how much the characters have changed in this time.

    I also dont mind the scale being lower of the ot trilogy battles, i completly understand it an appreciate it from a completly different point of view like how they infiltrate scarif and make such a huge battle before the reinforcements even arrive, i just never got this feeling with the ot. Maybe its the reason that darth vader is so popular and so is boba, you go through all the movies with stormtroopers not landing a single hit and never looking like a threat but then u have boba that captures people and freezes them as well as darth vader that just comes along kills everyone on his own team and cuts of lukes hand in their first fight so hes a huge threat. Im not invested in a war that has no casualties.

    Rogue one however has people dying and sacrificing all over the place for a core beliefe of the rebelion or in jyns case, to avenge her father. This is just much better in my eyes than people fighting because its right and barely ever risking lives because they appear to be gods that cant get hit
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies. But regardless, even if you don’t trust the audience score, the critic score is even worse, that us where the critics get bought out and shill the most in order to keep their jobs and get extra benefits like preview screenings etc. I thought you would have known that with the tin foil hat that you are wearing.
    However, putting conspiracies aside, why does mostly every movie that has come out in recent times have polar opposite critic and audience scores, in which the audience score genuinely reflects how the majority of viewers felt about the movie. Here are some examples:
    Captain Marvel
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7/10 critic
    - (RT) Shilled so hard for it that there is no longer scores
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7.1/10 critic

    Critics aren't judging by entertainment quality. They have a checklist of things a film needs to do, but they forgot to add character building to the list.

    That's not what critics do. And TLJ has the best character building in all the saga. So yeah. There's that.

    What??? Name the characters that you think are better developed in ST than the OT and PT
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    You know I really have better things to do than to give examples of "better character development" than in the prequels. 10 years ago no one would think to ask a silly question like that. A rock in the background has better character development than the prequels.

    So I'm out of this thread. Have fun~!

    Reys character development is really good aswell, she learns everything because the plot needs her to instead of taking years like everyone else. But then again “the pt is lazy”

    Pathetic.
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    If only Gareth had done the ST.... :'(
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    If only they decided to make the new era feel completely different to the era before it. Every era should feel completly different, you should see it and instantly know what era it is, with st you have to look again just to make sure because they like reusing everything the empire and rebels did.
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    If only they decided to make the new era feel completely different to the era before it. Every era should feel completly different, you should see it and instantly know what era it is, with st you have to look again just to make sure because they like reusing everything the empire and rebels did.

    They should have used the Imperial Remnant and built off of it.
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    If only they decided to make the new era feel completely different to the era before it. Every era should feel completly different, you should see it and instantly know what era it is, with st you have to look again just to make sure because they like reusing everything the empire and rebels did.

    They should have used the Imperial Remnant and built off of it.

    They should have used a republic army with different ships and they should have used the first order still but changed the aesthetics of the tie fighters and everything. Not to mention they shouldnt have killed the small amount of jedi they were building. They should have used them so we could at least have a handfull of jedi whilst all the nights of ren could have been force users with lightsabers. Much better.
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    You know I really have better things to do than to give examples of "better character development" than in the prequels. 10 years ago no one would think to ask a silly question like that. A rock in the background has better character development than the prequels.

    So I'm out of this thread. Have fun~!

    With all the “better” things you could be doing, go learn how to appreciate that others have different opinions
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies. But regardless, even if you don’t trust the audience score, the critic score is even worse, that us where the critics get bought out and shill the most in order to keep their jobs and get extra benefits like preview screenings etc. I thought you would have known that with the tin foil hat that you are wearing.
    However, putting conspiracies aside, why does mostly every movie that has come out in recent times have polar opposite critic and audience scores, in which the audience score genuinely reflects how the majority of viewers felt about the movie. Here are some examples:
    Captain Marvel
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7/10 critic
    - (RT) Shilled so hard for it that there is no longer scores
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7.1/10 critic

    Critics aren't judging by entertainment quality. They have a checklist of things a film needs to do, but they forgot to add character building to the list.

    That's not what critics do. And TLJ has the best character building in all the saga. So yeah. There's that.

    What??? Name the characters that you think are better developed in ST than the OT and PT

    Lol. U for real?

    PT? All of them.
    OT? Han Solo in TFA does more and means more than he ever did in terms of characterization. Kylo Ren gets more development in terms of character than any of the villains in the originals.

    Noticed you said villains because you know none of them stack up to luke. Also the idea behind the OT villains wasn't to humanize them during the whole trilogy, it was to present a menacing unstoppable force. You seem to mix up what exactly character development means I think. Vader was an extremely well presented character and fit his role perfectly and in the end we all felt for him. A huge story and flash backs aren't always necessary to make an audience care for a character. He didn't even have a face and you felt more for him in ROTJ when they capture luke on endor and he's talking to him about how far gone to the dark side he is. Just because a bunch of nerds that are adolescent whingebags can relate more to kylo doesn't mean he's a more detailed character.

    The problem with crylo isn't that they tried to make him relatable.

    The problem was that Rey made a mockery of him right out the gate and ruined his credibility.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies. But regardless, even if you don’t trust the audience score, the critic score is even worse, that us where the critics get bought out and shill the most in order to keep their jobs and get extra benefits like preview screenings etc. I thought you would have known that with the tin foil hat that you are wearing.
    However, putting conspiracies aside, why does mostly every movie that has come out in recent times have polar opposite critic and audience scores, in which the audience score genuinely reflects how the majority of viewers felt about the movie. Here are some examples:
    Captain Marvel
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7/10 critic
    - (RT) Shilled so hard for it that there is no longer scores
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7.1/10 critic

    Critics aren't judging by entertainment quality. They have a checklist of things a film needs to do, but they forgot to add character building to the list.

    That's not what critics do. And TLJ has the best character building in all the saga. So yeah. There's that.

    What??? Name the characters that you think are better developed in ST than the OT and PT

    Lol. U for real?

    PT? All of them.
    OT? Han Solo in TFA does more and means more than he ever did in terms of characterization. Kylo Ren gets more development in terms of character than any of the villains in the originals.

    Noticed you said villains because you know none of them stack up to luke. Also the idea behind the OT villains wasn't to humanize them during the whole trilogy, it was to present a menacing unstoppable force. You seem to mix up what exactly character development means I think. Vader was an extremely well presented character and fit his role perfectly and in the end we all felt for him. A huge story and flash backs aren't always necessary to make an audience care for a character. He didn't even have a face and you felt more for him in ROTJ when they capture luke on endor and he's talking to him about how far gone to the dark side he is. Just because a bunch of nerds that are adolescent whingebags can relate more to kylo doesn't mean he's a more detailed character.

    The problem with crylo isn't that they tried to make him relatable.

    The problem was that Rey made a mockery of him right out the gate and ruined his credibility.

    Crylo hahaha

    Oh yeah that's true about him and rey. I guess that adds even more to his poor character development. It's a lack of logical reasoning within the movie and brings people out of the experience.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies. But regardless, even if you don’t trust the audience score, the critic score is even worse, that us where the critics get bought out and shill the most in order to keep their jobs and get extra benefits like preview screenings etc. I thought you would have known that with the tin foil hat that you are wearing.
    However, putting conspiracies aside, why does mostly every movie that has come out in recent times have polar opposite critic and audience scores, in which the audience score genuinely reflects how the majority of viewers felt about the movie. Here are some examples:
    Captain Marvel
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7/10 critic
    - (RT) Shilled so hard for it that there is no longer scores
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7.1/10 critic

    Critics aren't judging by entertainment quality. They have a checklist of things a film needs to do, but they forgot to add character building to the list.

    That's not what critics do. And TLJ has the best character building in all the saga. So yeah. There's that.

    What??? Name the characters that you think are better developed in ST than the OT and PT

    Lol. U for real?

    PT? All of them.
    OT? Han Solo in TFA does more and means more than he ever did in terms of characterization. Kylo Ren gets more development in terms of character than any of the villains in the originals.

    Noticed you said villains because you know none of them stack up to luke. Also the idea behind the OT villains wasn't to humanize them during the whole trilogy, it was to present a menacing unstoppable force. You seem to mix up what exactly character development means I think. Vader was an extremely well presented character and fit his role perfectly and in the end we all felt for him. A huge story and flash backs aren't always necessary to make an audience care for a character. He didn't even have a face and you felt more for him in ROTJ when they capture luke on endor and he's talking to him about how far gone to the dark side he is. Just because a bunch of nerds that are adolescent whingebags can relate more to kylo doesn't mean he's a more detailed character.

    The problem with crylo isn't that they tried to make him relatable.

    The problem was that Rey made a mockery of him right out the gate and ruined his credibility.

    Crylo hahaha

    Oh yeah that's true about him and rey. I guess that adds even more to his poor character development. It's a lack of logical reasoning within the movie and brings people out of the experience.

    While I wasn't especially enjoying TFA, I thought it at least had potential to go somewhere, then Rey won at the end.

    Now what?
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    Y dont we era unlock every reinforcement and vehicle whilst we are at it so we really get the full experience?

    Let's turn every reinforcement into Anakin so we really get the full experience
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    Y dont we era unlock every reinforcement and vehicle whilst we are at it so we really get the full experience?

    Let's turn every reinforcement into Anakin so we really get the full experience

    😂😂😂 lets reach the potential of the game
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.


    No idea when the PT became popular.

    It's not. It was garbage then and it's garbage now.

    Wow, never met anyone that likes the ST and not the PT. Do you like the OT?

    Cmon. The VAST majority of fans don't like the PT and are fine with the Sequels.

    OT is the best thing ever put to screen. PT killed it with a baseball bat. Then George started making his changes. I was so happy when he finally realized he's just not good for the job and sold the whole thing. JJ gave it it's pulse back. It's the best time to be a SW fan!

    Apart from the games... that's just terrible. I don't even mean the quality it's just like... 2 games? Really?

    This is just not true. All of the prequel movies have over a 50% on rotten tomatoes AUDIENCE SCORE and have gotten decent ratings on IMDB except for revenge of the sith, which has gotten even better than a decent score (7.5). Also if you simply just google the prequels for example phantom menace, 84% of google users liked that movie, attack of the clones 85% and 94% liked Revenge of the Sith.
    So no, the ''VAST'' majority dont dislike the PT
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.


    No idea when the PT became popular.

    It's not. It was garbage then and it's garbage now.

    Wow, never met anyone that likes the ST and not the PT. Do you like the OT?

    Cmon. The VAST majority of fans don't like the PT and are fine with the Sequels.

    OT is the best thing ever put to screen. PT killed it with a baseball bat. Then George started making his changes. I was so happy when he finally realized he's just not good for the job and sold the whole thing. JJ gave it it's pulse back. It's the best time to be a SW fan!

    Apart from the games... that's just terrible. I don't even mean the quality it's just like... 2 games? Really?

    This is just not true. All of the prequel movies have over a 50% on tomatometer and have gotten decent ratings on IMDB except for revenge of the sith, which has gotten even better than a decent score (7.5). Also if you simply just google the prequels for example phantom menace 84% of google users liked that movie, attack of the clones 85% and 94% liked Revenge of the Sith.
    So no, it is FAR from the vast majority

    Don't bother. I've been through all this with him in depth haha
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.


    No idea when the PT became popular.

    It's not. It was garbage then and it's garbage now.

    Wow, never met anyone that likes the ST and not the PT. Do you like the OT?

    Cmon. The VAST majority of fans don't like the PT and are fine with the Sequels.

    OT is the best thing ever put to screen. PT killed it with a baseball bat. Then George started making his changes. I was so happy when he finally realized he's just not good for the job and sold the whole thing. JJ gave it it's pulse back. It's the best time to be a SW fan!

    Apart from the games... that's just terrible. I don't even mean the quality it's just like... 2 games? Really?

    This is just not true. All of the prequel movies have over a 50% on tomatometer and have gotten decent ratings on IMDB except for revenge of the sith, which has gotten even better than a decent score (7.5). Also if you simply just google the prequels for example phantom menace 84% of google users liked that movie, attack of the clones 85% and 94% liked Revenge of the Sith.
    So no, it is FAR from the vast majority

    Don't bother. I've been through all this with him in depth haha

    Jees... how can he be this delusional? He litteraly turns a blind eye to the audience scores and ratings
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.


    No idea when the PT became popular.

    It's not. It was garbage then and it's garbage now.

    Wow, never met anyone that likes the ST and not the PT. Do you like the OT?

    Cmon. The VAST majority of fans don't like the PT and are fine with the Sequels.

    OT is the best thing ever put to screen. PT killed it with a baseball bat. Then George started making his changes. I was so happy when he finally realized he's just not good for the job and sold the whole thing. JJ gave it it's pulse back. It's the best time to be a SW fan!

    Apart from the games... that's just terrible. I don't even mean the quality it's just like... 2 games? Really?

    This is just not true. All of the prequel movies have over a 50% on tomatometer and have gotten decent ratings on IMDB except for revenge of the sith, which has gotten even better than a decent score (7.5). Also if you simply just google the prequels for example phantom menace 84% of google users liked that movie, attack of the clones 85% and 94% liked Revenge of the Sith.
    So no, it is FAR from the vast majority

    Don't bother. I've been through all this with him in depth haha

    Jees... how can he be this delusional? He litteraly turns a blind eye to the audience scores and ratings

    Because he loves the Sequels and no one could possibly be allowed to dislike what he likes
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies. But regardless, even if you don’t trust the audience score, the critic score is even worse, that us where the critics get bought out and shill the most in order to keep their jobs and get extra benefits like preview screenings etc. I thought you would have known that with the tin foil hat that you are wearing.
    However, putting conspiracies aside, why does mostly every movie that has come out in recent times have polar opposite critic and audience scores, in which the audience score genuinely reflects how the majority of viewers felt about the movie. Here are some examples:
    Captain Marvel
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7/10 critic
    - (RT) Shilled so hard for it that there is no longer scores
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7.1/10 critic

    Critics aren't judging by entertainment quality. They have a checklist of things a film needs to do, but they forgot to add character building to the list.

    That's not what critics do. And TLJ has the best character building in all the saga. So yeah. There's that.

    What??? Name the characters that you think are better developed in ST than the OT and PT

    Lol. U for real?

    PT? All of them.
    OT? Han Solo in TFA does more and means more than he ever did in terms of characterization. Kylo Ren gets more development in terms of character than any of the villains in the originals.

    Really? So you say snoke had a better character development than anakin?
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.

    You must be joking? How is there any imagination in ST? That general Hux guy that all the fan boys seem to adore is just horrible as a character and their attempts at lame comedy using him is just pathetic. Like that phone call between him and poe... also poe is bad character as well. So impulsive makes bad decisions. Why can't they make the rebels smarter?? U know why? Coz the directors and execs involved aren't smart.

    Are we going to start over the debate for the 5th time on this forum ?

    5th time? We have this debate a few times a month.

    It's hardly a debate. There are stats the we can just go off the most reliable being "Google users" most likely, purely because it's probably the only one that isn't bought and paid for by these production companies like IMDB and rotten tomatoes and metacritic. I mean rotten tomatoes gave avengers endgame 94% and shawshank redemption 91% haha. Episode 8 has the worst rating by more than 10% of all the others on Google users. It's a trash movie and if there is this much polarizing critiscm on it compared to all the others, then everyone must at least say that the majority of people would consider it to be the worst of the film's based off of the sheer amount of negative criticism it receives, regardless of whether or not they agree with it.

    Yes. Let's assume that viewer score is not garbage overall at all. The Fast and Furious get the rating in the high 80s. HOW COULD THEY BE WONG? Also let's ignore the fact that fb youtube and twitter use algorithyms that focus on negative reaction therefore warping our perception of facts. Youtubers don't CATHER TO THAT AT ALL. Let's ignore the fact that the user score on every other movie website is much higher than the Prequels. Or even most of the movies that came out that year. Let's just focus on one website that was most probably hacked.

    Oh yeah and the many, MANY videos analasing the new movies, finding the nuance in storytelling. They don't exist. Probably.

    Also TLJ didn't make any money so even if it's good it still flopped right? Or maybe people just like garbage movies? Confusing. What was your point again?

    Ah and almost every SW fan website/group gives TLJ and TFA the score in the top 3/4.

    The only thing that's real is that you're right.

    Let's just move to neverland?

    Who cares how much money TLJ made......I detest that movie but my money is counted in that total, audience score is the only thing that matters outside of personal opinion

    No one cares about how much it made. That's my point.

    Also you really care about what a bunch of Russian bots or in the best case scenario no name amateurs thought of a movie? ALWAYS go for critic reviews. I mean users give D. The Rock Jonson one of the highest ratings. I have never had anything against the man but he is not in the top 100 of best working actors.

    You do realise that if there are “russian bots” and “no name amateurs” skewing the audience score, it is always for SJW / Agenda driven movies. But regardless, even if you don’t trust the audience score, the critic score is even worse, that us where the critics get bought out and shill the most in order to keep their jobs and get extra benefits like preview screenings etc. I thought you would have known that with the tin foil hat that you are wearing.
    However, putting conspiracies aside, why does mostly every movie that has come out in recent times have polar opposite critic and audience scores, in which the audience score genuinely reflects how the majority of viewers felt about the movie. Here are some examples:
    Captain Marvel
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7/10 critic
    - (RT) Shilled so hard for it that there is no longer scores
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    - (IMDB) 2/10 audience, 7.1/10 critic

    Critics aren't judging by entertainment quality. They have a checklist of things a film needs to do, but they forgot to add character building to the list.

    That's not what critics do. And TLJ has the best character building in all the saga. So yeah. There's that.

    What??? Name the characters that you think are better developed in ST than the OT and PT

    Lol. U for real?

    PT? All of them.
    OT? Han Solo in TFA does more and means more than he ever did in terms of characterization. Kylo Ren gets more development in terms of character than any of the villains in the originals.

    Really? So you say snoke had a better character development than anakin?

    Snoke better developed than Ani.....

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  • You guys really went from :
    "**** immersion" "No, **** cross-era"
    To :
    "**** ST" "No, **** PT"
    ? 🤔
  • SnakeMajin wrote: »
    You guys really went from :
    "**** immersion" "No, **** cross-era"
    To :
    "**** ST" "No, **** PT"
    ? 🤔

    Just another day in BF2 forums
  • bfloo
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    SnakeMajin wrote: »
    You guys really went from :
    "**** immersion" "No, **** cross-era"
    To :
    "**** ST" "No, **** PT"
    ? 🤔

    We've beaten both horses to death, may as well combine them as we keep it going
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  • SnakeMajin wrote: »
    You guys really went from :
    "**** immersion" "No, **** cross-era"
    To :
    "**** ST" "No, **** PT"
    ? 🤔

    My thread and I sanction this path we're all on now.
  • Lyc4n wrote: »
    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin.
    Not sure what the last part means, but I can answer the question "Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era?"

    What I'd prefer to see, and what I think is a good compromise, is this:

    Characters who exist in multiple eras would have a different default skin, and would have their other skins limited.

    Example: Luke.
    Ideally, Luke would be unavailable in Clone Wars battles, and would be available as is in GCW battles. But in FOW battles, his default skin would be Old Master Luke from TFA. And the only skins available in FOW battles would be ones from the sequel trilogy, such as Crait Illusion Luke, Old Master Luke Hooded, etc.

    Similarly, Ahsoka:
    Ahsoka would be available in her default Padawan appearance in CW battles. Any other CW skins would also be available. In GCW battles she would be available, but her Fulcrum appearance would be the default skin.
  • Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).
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    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin.
    Not sure what the last part means, but I can answer the question "Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era?"

    What I'd prefer to see, and what I think is a good compromise, is this:

    Characters who exist in multiple eras would have a different default skin, and would have their other skins limited.

    Example: Luke.
    Ideally, Luke would be unavailable in Clone Wars battles, and would be available as is in GCW battles. But in FOW battles, his default skin would be Old Master Luke from TFA. And the only skins available in FOW battles would be ones from the sequel trilogy, such as Crait Illusion Luke, Old Master Luke Hooded, etc.

    Similarly, Ahsoka:
    Ahsoka would be available in her default Padawan appearance in CW battles. Any other CW skins would also be available. In GCW battles she would be available, but her Fulcrum appearance would be the default skin.

    Yeah i agree. I wouldnt mind so much eith the skins personally although i would prefer what you say. What i meant at the end was in relation to capital supremacy, if this was implemented then when the ot comes out, the only hero you wont be able to use that are currently avialable would be anakin because the other three cross into gcw
  • The fuxk guys? None of this conversation has to do with the main title.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).

    As much as I love this, I think I've already seen F8RGE say that splitting GA into two modes would split the player base too far... but I may be wrong.
  • bfloo
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    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).

    I'd be all for that, but I think we are going to get 1 one way and 1 the other.

    Even if they alternated which was which every month it could work.
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  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).

    As much as I love this, I think I've already seen F8RGE say that splitting GA into two modes would split the player base too far... but I may be wrong.
    F8RGE was also saying a month ago that the playerbase numbers were super high, as high as they were at release.

    It's one or the other, but not both...
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).

    As much as I love this, I think I've already seen F8RGE say that splitting GA into two modes would split the player base too far... but I may be wrong.
    F8RGE was also saying a month ago that the playerbase numbers were super high, as high as they were at release.

    It's one or the other, but not both...

    If what he says about the high player base is true, then maybe it could work.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    It's all anyone can say when they want a mode era locked. Immersion this, immersion that. It's just not a good enough reason to take away 2/3 of the time people can spend playing their favorite heroes. It's a fun game with quite a bit of a variety and you want it lessoned all because of one single little feeling you have.
    There are tons of reasons beside immersion. But that's the word you anti-accuracy apologists keep focusing on because it seems easy to argue against, easy to make it look petty.

    EVERY Battlefront game before this one, for the last 17 years, has valued accuracy and ONLY had accurate-era heroes in main battle modes.

    The people asking for accuracy aren't even saying that the whole game should be accurate in the way EVERY Battlefront game before this has always been. We're willing to compromise.

    We're fine with all of the Hero modes having cross-era.

    We've accepted the ridiculousness of GA being inaccurate. (Though we'd like to see an era-accurate version alongside the inaccurate one.)

    All we were asking for, for more than a year, was ONE large-map objective mode with accurate heroes. And now we've finally gotten that, and you inaccuracy apologists are already trying to take it away.

    I remember when Battlefront fans cared about Star Wars.

    You've just replace the word immersion with accurate. Being accurate with the heroes and their "native" maps is what the argument for immersion is. Nice try
  • Different thread, different year, same topic.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).

    As much as I love this, I think I've already seen F8RGE say that splitting GA into two modes would split the player base too far... but I may be wrong.
    F8RGE was also saying a month ago that the playerbase numbers were super high, as high as they were at release.

    It's one or the other, but not both...

    If what he says about the high player base is true, then maybe it could work.

    I don't understand how they could say the player base is high if the entire server of Oceania is basically dead. I mean did he say the player base was high months ago maybe? Coz I seriously doubt the other servers are all doing fine if one whole server is very low on players to the point of almost no games outside of 4pm-10pm.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).

    As much as I love this, I think I've already seen F8RGE say that splitting GA into two modes would split the player base too far... but I may be wrong.
    F8RGE was also saying a month ago that the playerbase numbers were super high, as high as they were at release.

    It's one or the other, but not both...

    If what he says about the high player base is true, then maybe it could work.

    I don't understand how they could say the player base is high if the entire server of Oceania is basically dead. I mean did he say the player base was high months ago maybe? Coz I seriously doubt the other servers are all doing fine if one whole server is very low on players to the point of almost no games outside of 4pm-10pm.

    This. But also it could be due to the fact that PC dies fast with these games... if we are talking PC. Otherwise you are 100% right.
  • CeymalRen wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).

    As much as I love this, I think I've already seen F8RGE say that splitting GA into two modes would split the player base too far... but I may be wrong.
    F8RGE was also saying a month ago that the playerbase numbers were super high, as high as they were at release.

    It's one or the other, but not both...

    If what he says about the high player base is true, then maybe it could work.

    I don't understand how they could say the player base is high if the entire server of Oceania is basically dead. I mean did he say the player base was high months ago maybe? Coz I seriously doubt the other servers are all doing fine if one whole server is very low on players to the point of almost no games outside of 4pm-10pm.

    This. But also it could be due to the fact that PC dies fast with these games... if we are talking PC. Otherwise you are 100% right.

    I meant the Xbox server
  • It's all anyone can say when they want a mode era locked. Immersion this, immersion that. It's just not a good enough reason to take away 2/3 of the time people can spend playing their favorite heroes. It's a fun game with quite a bit of a variety and you want it lessoned all because of one single little feeling you have.

    Can only speak for myself but immersion is probably my number one priority with this game. I have plenty of other shooter titles to go for if I just want that.
    This is Star Wars and I play it to feel immersed in the star wars universe. Anything that reduces the immersion spoils the experience for me.

    Exactly. I play a Star Wars game to get the Star Wars feel. To feel like I'm taking part in a battle from the Star Wars universe. Not to get some watered-down, inaccurate, sloppy off-brand theme-park feel. I'm about expecting to start seeing generic imitation heroes like Dart Radar and Lucas Cloudwalker.
  • It's all anyone can say when they want a mode era locked. Immersion this, immersion that. It's just not a good enough reason to take away 2/3 of the time people can spend playing their favorite heroes. It's a fun game with quite a bit of a variety and you want it lessoned all because of one single little feeling you have.

    Can only speak for myself but immersion is probably my number one priority with this game. I have plenty of other shooter titles to go for if I just want that.
    This is Star Wars and I play it to feel immersed in the star wars universe. Anything that reduces the immersion spoils the experience for me.

    Yep, same. That’s the only reason I play this game as well
  • CeymalRen wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.
    I think that's a very perceptive thought. Many of the others who prefer accurate heroes are mainly Trooper players, and almost all of the people who prefer inaccurate heroes are mainly Hero players.

    Lyc4n wrote: »
    I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they don't cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.
    Even better:

    Hero GA (cross-era), and Assault GA (accurate).

    Hero CS (cross-era), and Assault CS (accurate).

    As much as I love this, I think I've already seen F8RGE say that splitting GA into two modes would split the player base too far... but I may be wrong.
    F8RGE was also saying a month ago that the playerbase numbers were super high, as high as they were at release.

    It's one or the other, but not both...

    If what he says about the high player base is true, then maybe it could work.

    I don't understand how they could say the player base is high if the entire server of Oceania is basically dead. I mean did he say the player base was high months ago maybe? Coz I seriously doubt the other servers are all doing fine if one whole server is very low on players to the point of almost no games outside of 4pm-10pm.

    This. But also it could be due to the fact that PC dies fast with these games... if we are talking PC. Otherwise you are 100% right.

    I meant the Xbox server

    OK then. Sad to hear then. I thought the game was doing much better.
  • It's all anyone can say when they want a mode era locked. Immersion this, immersion that. It's just not a good enough reason to take away 2/3 of the time people can spend playing their favorite heroes. It's a fun game with quite a bit of a variety and you want it lessoned all because of one single little feeling you have.

    Can only speak for myself but immersion is probably my number one priority with this game. I have plenty of other shooter titles to go for if I just want that.
    This is Star Wars and I play it to feel immersed in the star wars universe. Anything that reduces the immersion spoils the experience for me.

    Well said.
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