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  • CT_93921 wrote: »
    CT_93921 wrote: »
    This has gone from the title topic to a back and forth about evolution and a echo chamber for Spirit Sciences YouTube content. 2+2=4 and gravity exists, the laws of thermodynamics shows energy has to have a set beginning point and it’s slowly degenerating and that their is no natural way to create or destroy it only transfer it. Existence has set rules and it’s clear if you look for it, like earlier I mentioned the law of biogenesis.
    Their was a beginning, and like it or not in some way shape or form we are all marching to an end, an eventuality. Maybe if primary sources were as highly valued as feelings, internet pages, YouTube content creators, and pseudoscience we wouldn’t have so much confusion in the world today.

    I never even heard of the "law" of biogenesis. It took 5 mins worth of Google searches to discover that although it's obviously a true phenomenon, it's apparently often hijacked by people to say that life cannot come about without arising from already existing life. When in actual fact it says "complex" life cannot exist without arising from life, which is a pretty obvious statement to make. I don't think anyone in modern society has ever believed a human or mouse or dog just blinked into existence from a compost heap or something haha.

    There was another theory called abiogenesis which says single-celled life can arise from non-organic matter. That's the one the hijackers steer clear of I imagine haha. Because then it's leads to biogenesis being true in a different way in which they want it to.

    Then allow me to go right for it, have you ever seen a cell or anything for that matter generate from nothing? Have you ever for example set paint and wood together and watched it magically form a wooden toy? Cells are much more complex than a wooden toy yet expecting something to naturally come from nothing has never been recorded or recreated ever in all of existence.
    Taking basic chemicals that make up something as complex as even a single cell and putting them together expecting a cell to form itself from nothing naturally with no outside intervention takes more faith than any religion I care to name off. Both concepts point to the same fact that life had a clear and distinct beginning that was not just random and accidental as so many claim.
    You are wrong in the fact that people don’t claim complex life comes from nothing, because a cell is vastly more intricate than the chemicals in its makeup yet somehow a single cell just happened because of the right environment leading to us here and now because of time and chance? Imagine something as complex as a golgi apparatus and a cell wall already forming from nothing on their own, and deciding to merge because they were in the same environment.
    My point being, a cell never has and never will be able to “evolve” as people ignore the very basic beginning concepts of what it would take for a cell to form itself. This argument is completely ignoring the vast DNA instructions that are down to the letter in creating you and I as we are today. This mindset takes more ignorance or lack of care for the reality we live in than I care to fathom.

    Why is it so far out of the realm of possibility that a single-celled organism could come about from a primordial Earth? There was billions of years for a cell to form. I mean for all we know, the correct conditions that mimic what might of happened billions of years ago on Earth could in fact lead to cells springing up all over the place. It's really really limiting to assume that something might not of happened simply because you, seemingly, cannot imagine it as a reality. I'm actually open to a god existing and creating life out of nothing. Never said I wasn't. I just don't see why I should have to chose when neither a god or abiogenesis has ever been proven to be true.

    Why is a cell more complex than a wooden toy is when it comes to talking about nature and how it might of created life? Wooden toys are far rarer than cells are and took complex like to create them. From the point of view of "mother nature", wooden toys are almost infinitely more difficult to create than a cell is. My point is that when talking about the origins of things and the time and processes that go into the creation of them, I find it interesting that you've resigned yourself to the belief that cells couldn't of been created by nature, yet something as rare and as complex to create such as a wooden toy has been created by nature. We are apart of this natural world after all. But I think that's the fundamental difference in our thinking. I'm quite sure you see life as different from all other matter somehow.

    Don't ever study quantum mechanics to the point of how it relates back to reality. I imagine your whole world would fall apart considering the creation of a cell from primordial Earth across an infinite timeline with infinite universes is an absolute certainty haha. I'm not saying those theories are correct. But one of them might be.
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  • David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    We are the fruit of evolution, of atoms that join other atoms, why do they do it?

    I don't know, maybe the answer is in the sacred texts, or atoms simply exist.

    Perhaps we are unique and special of our kind throughout the universe, or there are infinite civilizations even more advanced than we are.

    We believe we know everything about the existence of things, but in reality we don't know anything, we don't even know what "things" are.

    We know only 2% of everything, and what we know is related only to ordinary matter, while on dark matter and dark energy (which forms 70% of the universe) we only know that it exists.

    It is important to ask yourself these questions, but without neglecting what is happening in our reality, right now, our bankruptcy society, the bankruptcy system.

    Humanity is capable of immense things but we are content to remain as we are, without evolving both from a social and a physiological point of view.

    Our time on earth is limited, we make sure we make life as good as possible for us, and try to change things for the better.

    If our time on earth ends, we will try to leave the best possible legacy so that humanity will always improve without stopping, and maybe one day we will answer all those questions.

    Probably this post will be moved to "off topic" but at least I said what I think.

    "The sacred texts" haha

    "We believe we know everything" and "we are content to remain as we are"?? C'mon man. You can't seriously have that opinion of humans when all you have to do is read a history of technology book to see where we've come from.

    History books is everything they want you to know. Now what you should know.

    Jesus. Whatever. How about just look at your own experiences then?! There weren't even smart phones 15 years ago.

    Sorry but to deny that ancient aliens gave us the blueprint of all technology is beyond reason. Why you're not told that in books? In fact denying their existence angers them, soon they will come back and incinerate us with their Lazer weapons.

    Wow haha
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  • StarLillie wrote: »
    Everyone has something, even one thing that makes them happy. Like truly child eyes lit up happy in your heart, find that thing and hang on tight.
    Not a person. They don't count here.
    Put your bare feet in the grass or sand, feel the sun or rain on your skin, jump in a puddle, touch a tree or flower, pet an animal, smell a baby (make sure your allowed first), chase a butterfly and look for Leprechauns.
    But don't just do these things in an action, really feel it.
    Heal your soul friend. Drink water, and eat healthy for a few days, revive and reenergize your body. And remember there is always someone who wants, needs, loves you. Even that single person you pass by every morning on the way to work or school would miss you. Be kinder to yourself, you deserve it.
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    Good reply! Thanks
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  • To answer OP’s question....

    ....my life sucks, I have no goals because my dreams died long ago, nothing really matters, and playing games like SWBF2 helps get my mind off of things....

    It's all temporary. Does joy from running a marathon count more than joy from a video game? Three dimensional people are overrated.

    Three dimensional people?

    People that are not just names on a computer screen. You know, the "real" world.
  • BlueSpy3DO
    866 posts Member
    edited January 22
    CT_93921 wrote: »
    CT_93921 wrote: »
    This has gone from the title topic to a back and forth about evolution and a echo chamber for Spirit Sciences YouTube content. 2+2=4 and gravity exists, the laws of thermodynamics shows energy has to have a set beginning point and it’s slowly degenerating and that their is no natural way to create or destroy it only transfer it. Existence has set rules and it’s clear if you look for it, like earlier I mentioned the law of biogenesis.
    Their was a beginning, and like it or not in some way shape or form we are all marching to an end, an eventuality. Maybe if primary sources were as highly valued as feelings, internet pages, YouTube content creators, and pseudoscience we wouldn’t have so much confusion in the world today.

    I never even heard of the "law" of biogenesis. It took 5 mins worth of Google searches to discover that although it's obviously a true phenomenon, it's apparently often hijacked by people to say that life cannot come about without arising from already existing life. When in actual fact it says "complex" life cannot exist without arising from life, which is a pretty obvious statement to make. I don't think anyone in modern society has ever believed a human or mouse or dog just blinked into existence from a compost heap or something haha.

    There was another theory called abiogenesis which says single-celled life can arise from non-organic matter. That's the one the hijackers steer clear of I imagine haha. Because then it's leads to biogenesis being true in a different way in which they want it to.

    Then allow me to go right for it, have you ever seen a cell or anything for that matter generate from nothing? Have you ever for example set paint and wood together and watched it magically form a wooden toy? Cells are much more complex than a wooden toy yet expecting something to naturally come from nothing has never been recorded or recreated ever in all of existence.
    Taking basic chemicals that make up something as complex as even a single cell and putting them together expecting a cell to form itself from nothing naturally with no outside intervention takes more faith than any religion I care to name off. Both concepts point to the same fact that life had a clear and distinct beginning that was not just random and accidental as so many claim.
    You are wrong in the fact that people don’t claim complex life comes from nothing, because a cell is vastly more intricate than the chemicals in its makeup yet somehow a single cell just happened because of the right environment leading to us here and now because of time and chance? Imagine something as complex as a golgi apparatus and a cell wall already forming from nothing on their own, and deciding to merge because they were in the same environment.
    My point being, a cell never has and never will be able to “evolve” as people ignore the very basic beginning concepts of what it would take for a cell to form itself. This argument is completely ignoring the vast DNA instructions that are down to the letter in creating you and I as we are today. This mindset takes more ignorance or lack of care for the reality we live in than I care to fathom.

    Why is it so far out of the realm of possibility that a single-celled organism could come about from a primordial Earth? There was billions of years for a cell to form. I mean for all we know, the correct conditions that mimic what might of happened billions of years ago on Earth could in fact lead to cells springing up all over the place. It's really really limiting to assume that something might not of happened simply because you, seemingly, cannot imagine it as a reality. I'm actually open to a god existing and creating life out of nothing. Never said I wasn't. I just don't see why I should have to chose when neither a god or abiogenesis has ever been proven to be true.

    Why is a cell more complex than a wooden toy is when it comes to talking about nature and how it might of created life? Wooden toys are far rarer than cells are and took complex like to create them. From the point of view of "mother nature", wooden toys are almost infinitely more difficult to create than a cell is. My point is that when talking about the origins of things and the time and processes that go into the creation of them, I find it interesting that you've resigned yourself to the belief that cells couldn't of been created by nature, yet something as rare and as complex to create such as a wooden toy has been created by nature. We are apart of this natural world after all. But I think that's the fundamental difference in our thinking. I'm quite sure you see life as different from all other matter somehow.

    Don't ever study quantum mechanics to the point of how it relates back to reality. I imagine your whole world would fall apart considering the creation of a cell from primordial Earth across an infinite timeline with infinite universes is an absolute certainty haha. I'm not saying those theories are correct. But one of them might be.

    First off on the toy concept, I was arguing that it was impossible for the toy to come about by time and chance not nature. Nature is a stand in for a deity without having to align oneself with it. My point was time and chance can’t paint wood and rearrange it into a toy, so how is it time and chance or “nature” is considered to have the ability to create life. The toy is inanimate, the cell is life. You act as if wood and paint is more complex but life is a living fluid set of systems that are interdependent on one another to function properly. What is a cell wall without what it encompasses? Why would it exist? What use would individual pieces have in their own formation without the whole being present? If they were indeed formed separately over time, their is no sense in that at all. Wings didn’t form themselves and then a flightless eagle decided to add wings to itself and that is a direct comparison of proposing the formation over time of even a cell and it’s individual parts. You avoid the idea of a beginning by bouncing around to a comic book multiverse theory and calling it a “absolute certainty” with no points or explanation to back it up as I have done.
    It amazes me the sheer amount of faith put into time and chance, unproven theories, and nature, while any sort of creation regardless of the version is balked at. I didn’t come here to prove my points, as I’ve listed them all out clearly for you and others to see. You yourself have instead danced around those points and misconstrued what I’ve said from the beginning forcing me to acknowledge each statement you’ve claimed I’ve made.
    You can say just because I’ve never seen, you’ve never seen it, or anyone else has never seen it does not mean these quantum theories are wrong, but then you’d be arguing my points for me by exposing how much you really believe in what isn’t scientifically testable or visible. That isn’t science, it’s faith in the unseen.
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  • StarLillie wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    StarLillie wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    We are the fruit of evolution, of atoms that join other atoms, why do they do it?

    I don't know, maybe the answer is in the sacred texts, or atoms simply exist.

    Perhaps we are unique and special of our kind throughout the universe, or there are infinite civilizations even more advanced than we are.

    We believe we know everything about the existence of things, but in reality we don't know anything, we don't even know what "things" are.

    We know only 2% of everything, and what we know is related only to ordinary matter, while on dark matter and dark energy (which forms 70% of the universe) we only know that it exists.

    It is important to ask yourself these questions, but without neglecting what is happening in our reality, right now, our bankruptcy society, the bankruptcy system.

    Humanity is capable of immense things but we are content to remain as we are, without evolving both from a social and a physiological point of view.

    Our time on earth is limited, we make sure we make life as good as possible for us, and try to change things for the better.

    If our time on earth ends, we will try to leave the best possible legacy so that humanity will always improve without stopping, and maybe one day we will answer all those questions.

    Probably this post will be moved to "off topic" but at least I said what I think.

    "The sacred texts" haha

    "We believe we know everything" and "we are content to remain as we are"?? C'mon man. You can't seriously have that opinion of humans when all you have to do is read a history of technology book to see where we've come from.

    History books is everything they want you to know. Now what you should know.

    Jesus. Whatever. How about just look at your own experiences then?! There weren't even smart phones 15 years ago.

    Sorry but to deny that ancient aliens gave us the blueprint of all technology is beyond reason. Why you're not told that in books? In fact denying their existence angers them, soon they will come back and incinerate us with their Lazer weapons.

    Why do you just assume they are aggressive toward you? Pretty typical human reaction to fear the unknown, but it's incredibly typical of you and human war monger mentality to assume they're an enemy and build an army against an assumed threat.
    I'm definitely not so arrogant to think we are all there is to exist I'm certainly more afraid of things happening right here on earth by us humans lol

    Aliens are nothing like you see in movies, first thing to do when making contact is shoot It on sight. They hate humans and are multi dimensional creatures of hell, everything that's is not originated from planet Earth is an abomination and should be killed. Maybe if we stopped fighting we would see who our common enemy really is.

    🙄 Watch some King Kong movies or something, learn from them. He wouldn't have attacked... But they went all testosterone all mighty human Alpha and started a very unnecessary war.
    I'm not gonna get into this with you, because I don't want to get banned and my responses to someone like you absolutely will get me one.
    Instead, I wish you a very peaceful, happy and fulfilled life. 😘[/quo
    Just a quick fix. Alpha not Aloha ...what a weird auto correct.
  • Starwarsor66
    2917 posts Member
    edited January 22
    CT_93921 wrote: »
    CT_93921 wrote: »
    CT_93921 wrote: »
    This has gone from the title topic to a back and forth about evolution and a echo chamber for Spirit Sciences YouTube content. 2+2=4 and gravity exists, the laws of thermodynamics shows energy has to have a set beginning point and it’s slowly degenerating and that their is no natural way to create or destroy it only transfer it. Existence has set rules and it’s clear if you look for it, like earlier I mentioned the law of biogenesis.
    Their was a beginning, and like it or not in some way shape or form we are all marching to an end, an eventuality. Maybe if primary sources were as highly valued as feelings, internet pages, YouTube content creators, and pseudoscience we wouldn’t have so much confusion in the world today.

    I never even heard of the "law" of biogenesis. It took 5 mins worth of Google searches to discover that although it's obviously a true phenomenon, it's apparently often hijacked by people to say that life cannot come about without arising from already existing life. When in actual fact it says "complex" life cannot exist without arising from life, which is a pretty obvious statement to make. I don't think anyone in modern society has ever believed a human or mouse or dog just blinked into existence from a compost heap or something haha.

    There was another theory called abiogenesis which says single-celled life can arise from non-organic matter. That's the one the hijackers steer clear of I imagine haha. Because then it's leads to biogenesis being true in a different way in which they want it to.

    Then allow me to go right for it, have you ever seen a cell or anything for that matter generate from nothing? Have you ever for example set paint and wood together and watched it magically form a wooden toy? Cells are much more complex than a wooden toy yet expecting something to naturally come from nothing has never been recorded or recreated ever in all of existence.
    Taking basic chemicals that make up something as complex as even a single cell and putting them together expecting a cell to form itself from nothing naturally with no outside intervention takes more faith than any religion I care to name off. Both concepts point to the same fact that life had a clear and distinct beginning that was not just random and accidental as so many claim.
    You are wrong in the fact that people don’t claim complex life comes from nothing, because a cell is vastly more intricate than the chemicals in its makeup yet somehow a single cell just happened because of the right environment leading to us here and now because of time and chance? Imagine something as complex as a golgi apparatus and a cell wall already forming from nothing on their own, and deciding to merge because they were in the same environment.
    My point being, a cell never has and never will be able to “evolve” as people ignore the very basic beginning concepts of what it would take for a cell to form itself. This argument is completely ignoring the vast DNA instructions that are down to the letter in creating you and I as we are today. This mindset takes more ignorance or lack of care for the reality we live in than I care to fathom.

    Why is it so far out of the realm of possibility that a single-celled organism could come about from a primordial Earth? There was billions of years for a cell to form. I mean for all we know, the correct conditions that mimic what might of happened billions of years ago on Earth could in fact lead to cells springing up all over the place. It's really really limiting to assume that something might not of happened simply because you, seemingly, cannot imagine it as a reality. I'm actually open to a god existing and creating life out of nothing. Never said I wasn't. I just don't see why I should have to chose when neither a god or abiogenesis has ever been proven to be true.

    Why is a cell more complex than a wooden toy is when it comes to talking about nature and how it might of created life? Wooden toys are far rarer than cells are and took complex like to create them. From the point of view of "mother nature", wooden toys are almost infinitely more difficult to create than a cell is. My point is that when talking about the origins of things and the time and processes that go into the creation of them, I find it interesting that you've resigned yourself to the belief that cells couldn't of been created by nature, yet something as rare and as complex to create such as a wooden toy has been created by nature. We are apart of this natural world after all. But I think that's the fundamental difference in our thinking. I'm quite sure you see life as different from all other matter somehow.

    Don't ever study quantum mechanics to the point of how it relates back to reality. I imagine your whole world would fall apart considering the creation of a cell from primordial Earth across an infinite timeline with infinite universes is an absolute certainty haha. I'm not saying those theories are correct. But one of them might be.

    First off on the toy concept, I was arguing that it was impossible for the toy to come about by time and chance not nature. Nature is a stand in for a deity without having to align oneself with it. My point was time and chance can’t paint wood and rearrange it into a toy, so how is it time and chance or “nature” is considered to have the ability to create life. The toy is inanimate, the cell is life. You act as if wood and paint is more complex but life is a living fluid set of systems that are interdependent on one another to function properly. What is a cell wall without what it encompasses? Why would it exist? What use would individual pieces have in their own formation without the whole being present? If they were indeed formed separately over time, their is no sense in that at all. Wings didn’t form themselves and then a flightless eagle decided to add wings to itself and that is a direct comparison of proposing the formation over time of even a cell and it’s individual parts. You avoid the idea of a beginning by bouncing around to a comic book multiverse theory and calling it a “absolute certainty” with no points or explanation to back it up as I have done.
    It amazes me the sheer amount of faith put into time and chance, unproven theories, and nature, while any sort of creation regardless of the version is balked at. I didn’t come here to prove my points, as I’ve listed them all out clearly for you and others to see. You yourself have instead danced around those points and misconstrued what I’ve said from the beginning forcing me to acknowledge each statement you’ve claimed I’ve made.
    You can say just because I’ve never seen, you’ve never seen it, or anyone else has never seen it does not mean these quantum theories are wrong, but then you’d be arguing my points for me by exposing how much you really believe in what isn’t scientifically testable or visible. That isn’t science, it’s faith in the unseen.

    I understand your side of things. You don't understand that what I am in fact saying is that "time and chance" are also possibly the very things that can paint wood and make a toy.

    Yes obviously a living thing has more moving parts and intricacies than an inanimate object does. Yet you're only looking at it from the perspective of a human. You see a cell and are in awe of its complexity because the human mind struggles to grasp such things. Some minds reject the thought of being content with not knowing so intensely that they cling to anything they can to make themselves feel at ease. It's the basic need to feel like you are in control of your future. That's why people believe in gods, because they MUST feel safe. The thought of absolute death terrifies them at their core. Something they figured out either long ago and made the choice to give in to fear and believe a lie, or they inherited the choice from their parents and are content with the feeling of peace it brings to them, even if they have heaps and heaps of questions and things that don't quite add up to their faith yet they believe it anyway.

    I'm not saying there is much wrong with that way of life is it really does bring peace to these people. I personally believe they are missing out on an even greater peace that comes from the unknown. A type of peace mixed with excitement sort of, and honestly not that much fear. Certainly nowhere near as much as they have when it comes to the thought of hell haha.

    I don't even know anything about the field of the origins of life. Yet I'm finding online a lot of things that go against what you believe are of which apparently are the prevailing theories amongst scientists in that field. Things like protocells and their stepping stone function from inorganic matter to unicellular organisms and how they they seem to be very close to creating one of these in laboratory tests in environments similar to that of primordial Earth. So even though you've gone off and talked a bunch of stuff about birds and how complex cells are and all of that. There are people actually actively working on something that would put a huge dent in your beliefs of life coming from another lifeform only

    The many world's theory is very popular and one you should be familiar with surely. Very basically, it says that for a quantum system, all ways in which the wavefunction collapses (meaning what you observe to be real) are in fact real and did happen, even though you only observed one. A quantum system has many possible mathematical ways in which it can be observed. But only once it is "observed" is the real state actually "seen". In the many world's theory, it says that all of these possibilities were in fact "true" and did actually occur when observed. Just that when they happened the moment was split into multiple new realities. So the maths behind the many world's theory could in fact predict the possible outcomes of all particles interactions with each other in the big bang and therefore give a map of the layout of all possible universes. Obviously something like that is beyond us for the moment haha, but you can see how a cell could have it's particles positioned to construct it with such a vast amount of possibilities in that theory.

    Now I'm not saying that's true! But it is something to consider when talking about how things came about because it is a mathematical solution to quantum mechanics at the very least. Even if it can't be brought back to reality. I still believe a god is possible. Yet the difference between the way of science and God believers is that scientists actually try and prove or disprove their (and God believers!) theories and constantly test things. People who believe in God just blindly believe usually. That's why the people who have faith in science have a more respected opinion than the god believers. Scientists, for the most part, are after the truth. "believers" are after something that fits what they want to be true.
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    What's the purpose of this thread to you though? Do you even want answers or just venting?

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  • Why are Buffalo Wild Wings boneless wings not actually wings but just chicken. Why call them boneless wings.
  • Just checked this after a day... 64 replies! Wow! Keep it going!

    What's the purpose of this thread to you though? Do you even want answers or just venting?

    I think of all of my threads as simple tests assembled so I can see what the community wants. Same with my private server almost mega thread.

    So you weren't actually having a bad day and pondering the point of your existence because of it?
  • @David1543 Were you trolling about the alien thing? Be serious for just one post.
  • AccurateThings
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    edited January 23
    David1543 wrote: »
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    You should stop trolling
  • Just checked this after a day... 64 replies! Wow! Keep it going!

    What's the purpose of this thread to you though? Do you even want answers or just venting?

    I think of all of my threads as simple tests assembled so I can see what the community wants. Same with my private server almost mega thread.

    So you weren't actually having a bad day and pondering the point of your existence because of it?

    Maybe I was doing both.
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  • Just checked this after a day... 64 replies! Wow! Keep it going!

    What's the purpose of this thread to you though? Do you even want answers or just venting?

    I think of all of my threads as simple tests assembled so I can see what the community wants. Same with my private server almost mega thread.

    So you weren't actually having a bad day and pondering the point of your existence because of it?

    Maybe I was doing both.

    A little odd to make a thread just to test what the community believes in terms of existentialism haha. What's even more odd is that you being the one to start the thread didn't even get involved really. Unless you're gathering data for research and trying to remove yourself as much as possible from the thread for that reason, then why wouldn't you get involved more within your own thread about such a deep topic?

    I was genuinely curious at first about why you made this thread. Now knowing it was basically a survey is possibly the most uninteresting reason for making it I could of imagined haha.
  • David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.
  • David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

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  • people really only find meaning through social interaction, which gives rise to experiences that coalesce into religion and "higher" culture...this is bad news for some people
  • people really only find meaning through social interaction, which gives rise to experiences that coalesce into religion and "higher" culture...this is bad news for some people

    Interesting take
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  • What the blazes is going on here

    What's going on in the universe? :P that's what we're trying to figure out haha
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    What's going on in the universe? :P that's what we're trying to figure out haha

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  • David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.
  • David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you b bum also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

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  • Much too deep

    Nearly as deep as the Coruscant underworld?

    Yes. Its also too long. Ain't nobody got time for that
  • Much too deep

    Nearly as deep as the Coruscant underworld?

    Yes. Its also too long. Ain't nobody got time for that

    It's actually the only thread I'm all that interested in on this forum haha

    It's weird that a forum about star wars doesn't have more chat like this really. I suppose I should find a star trek forum instead haha
  • Much too deep

    Nearly as deep as the Coruscant underworld?

    Yes. Its also too long. Ain't nobody got time for that

    It's actually the only thread I'm all that interested in on this forum haha

    It's weird that a forum about star wars doesn't have more chat like this really. I suppose I should find a star trek forum instead haha

    I made this thread just cause I wanted to see what would happen.
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  • Much too deep

    Nearly as deep as the Coruscant underworld?

    Yes. Its also too long. Ain't nobody got time for that

    It's actually the only thread I'm all that interested in on this forum haha

    It's weird that a forum about star wars doesn't have more chat like this really. I suppose I should find a star trek forum instead haha

    I made this thread just cause I wanted to see what would happen.

    You didn't give what your thoughts are on the questions you asked though. Why not?
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  • Much too deep

    Nearly as deep as the Coruscant underworld?

    Yes. Its also too long. Ain't nobody got time for that

    It's actually the only thread I'm all that interested in on this forum haha

    It's weird that a forum about star wars doesn't have more chat like this really. I suppose I should find a star trek forum instead haha

    I made this thread just cause I wanted to see what would happen.

    You didn't give what your thoughts are on the questions you asked though. Why not?

    Because i wanted y’all to
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    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




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    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.
  • StarLillie wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    That's fair. Everyone has their own views and opinions.
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  • David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
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    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    So you genuinely believe that a 4 year old African child who has not heard of God (and let's be real, there would be some) and therefore doesn't believe, is doomed to hell? Do you really not see the sickness in that belief? I'm not talking about the law here and how ignorance of our laws in our society does not let you off if you have a reasonable grasp of right and wrong. I'm talking about God and his apparent control over eternal souls and his decision to doom people to hell all because he has chosen to.

    You do realise that if he truly is all powerful, then he MUST control everything. You can't have it both ways where you have free will and he is all powerful. He 100% must have control of your actions and therefore he was the one to decide to not let the African boy know about him and then send him to hell.

    You don't have to keep explaining Christianity to me and how people believe in it. I grew up as an Anglican and was one for about 20 years and said all the stuff in defence of it that you have and I certainly was a product of having been "born into" the religion. Then one day I just wondered why God would create that tsunami that killed 250,000 people in Indonesia that year and a domino effect happened from then and I came to the conclusion that either he is real and is a murderer and let's evil go on without doing anything, or he just doesn't exist at all. I hope the latter is true haha. Otherwise we've got a god in control that literally created a Devil and hell and world war 1 and 2 and terrorists, and that's one scary thought. Anyway, so yeah, you actually can't say about me that my beliefs are a product of my upbringing, but rather they were a conscious decision to believe that I don't know what to believe and I'm ok with that.

    To deny God created the devil and is responsible for his actions is to deny that God is all powerful, which in itself is blasphemy and punishable by being sent to hell if taken to the grave as a belief and not repented.
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    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    ""It said my other post was too long haha. Never had that before. This is the second half.""

    You can't start the argument on the possibility of life sustaining planets with "as far as we know" and then go on to use Earth as an example of how unique the planet is with regards to its ability to sustain life. It doesn't work because we haven't explored basically anything yet!! We've barely explored even the surface of Mars. One other planet!! Yet we've found water! We haven't even had humans there yet to search around and dig and probe for evidence of life that might of once lived there. Mars was once even thought to be like Earth at one point. Just because it isn't like ours anymore doesn't mean it once wasn't. I mean, if true, that would destroy your beliefs about this planet being unique to support life. And that planet can be seen with the naked eye! Imagine the trillions out there that can't be. Please try and think outside this solar system. Does it not make sense to you that we haven't explored basically anything yet and therefore lack of exploration is what we should be basing our thoughts on and not what we have explored yet? I honestly think that one thought would ruin your belief of this planet being unique if ever you land of the side of reason and belief that you don't actually yet know and the odds of other Earth like planets being out there must be massive. Numbers in the trillions and billions, when talking about anything are usually unfathomable to people, let alone when we're talking about planets. So I understand why people recede from the thoughts and bring it back to the one planet they actually can imagine and then stick to it being the centre of all meaning and purpose.

    By the way, the difference between my beliefs and yours are that yours create no purpose for achieving immortality for the human race because you think you've already achieved it through god. Whereas I believe it's probably something that must be worked towards and a species can achieve it in actual reality and not an "afterlife". Sure I might be wrong, but just in case I'm not, we should try for it. It might take us thousands or millions of years, or maybe only decades, but the answer to preserving a human consciousness for eternity is out there somewhere I hope and it's what the species should be working towards rather than sitting around praying and hoping for something else to save us when no one can even say one way or another if God even exists.
  • StarLillie wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?
  • Good god this thread is out of control.
  • StarLillie wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?

    I’m here reading the essays. I think that it’s near impossible to take a conscious out of somebody and preserve it to be honest. Even if we did find a way, is that actually the person or just a clone of their memories? I personally believe in God, but I’m just talking about this point currently. How would we even go about extracting a conscious? I don’t think it’s really something we can quantify. I think at beat it’ll just be a clone of that’s person. Also with the cosmos and trillions of planets, We are not gonna go very far even if we could travel at light speed. We currently don’t even have enough fuel to get people to another’s solar system, much less a galaxy. We’d have to develop Hyperspace, but judging on the way our planet and resources are currently going, I’m not sure we can succeed and doing so. It certainly won’t be in my lifetime or even my this Century.
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