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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
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    David1543 wrote: »
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    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?

    I’m here reading the essays. I think that it’s near impossible to take a conscious out of somebody and preserve it to be honest. Even if we did find a way, is that actually the person or just a clone of their memories? I personally believe in God, but I’m just talking about this point currently. How would we even go about extracting a conscious? I don’t think it’s really something we can quantify. I think at beat it’ll just be a clone of that’s person. Also with the cosmos and trillions of planets, We are not gonna go very far even if we could travel at light speed. We currently don’t even have enough fuel to get people to another’s solar system, much less a galaxy. We’d have to develop Hyperspace, but judging on the way our planet and resources are currently going, I’m not sure we can succeed and doing so. It certainly won’t be in my lifetime or even my this Century.

    Yes you would have to take out the whole brain and preserve it somehow. Our mind and personality cannot be more or less than the sum of the essential materials in our brains that make us feel and think and everything else. "Consciousness" is, in essence, just a quicker way of referring to the emergent property of a combination of processes in our brains.

    Like what are thoughts really? Say I have a thought about wanting a lamington to eat. That thought comes from hunger, specific tastes I enjoy, previous experiences, external experiences (maybe I just saw a lamington and wanted one), and many other things. Not even to mention all the details behind all of those things just mentioned and why I was hungry or liked the taste. All of that just to form one thought. I think it's easy for us to call it a thought and leave it at that, rather than delve into why exactly something is a thought. I'm not saying you should even bother questioning why someone might want a lamington haha. Just that it's an example of how, on the surface, a thought might seem simple to a human. Yet if really delved into, it can be quite complex. Then times that complexity by all of the other millions of thoughts a person constantly has one after the other, and you've got yourself a personality at one point.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    StarLillie wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his



    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?

    I’m here reading the essays. I think that it’s near impossible to take a conscious out of somebody and preserve it to be honest. Even if we did find a way, is that actually the person or just a clone of their memories? I personally believe in God, but I’m just talking about this point currently. How would we even go about extracting a conscious? I don’t think it’s really something we can quantify. I think at beat it’ll just be a clone of that’s person. Also with the cosmos and trillions of planets, We are not gonna go very far even if we could travel at light speed. We currently don’t even have enough fuel to get people to another’s solar system, much less a galaxy. We’d have to develop Hyperspace, but judging on the way our planet and resources are currently going, I’m not sure we can succeed and doing so. It certainly won’t be in my lifetime or even my this Century.

    Yes you would have to take out the whole brain and preserve it somehow. Our mind and personality cannot be more or less than the sum of the essential materials in our brains that make us feel and think and everything else. "Consciousness" is, in essence, just a quicker way of referring to the emergent property of a combination of processes in our brains.

    Like what are thoughts really? Say I have a thought about wanting a lamington to eat. That thought comes from hunger, specific tastes I enjoy, previous experiences, external experiences (maybe I just saw a lamington and wanted one), and many other things. Not even to mention all the details behind all of those things just mentioned and why I was hungry or liked the taste. All of that just to form one thought. I think it's easy for us to call it a thought and leave it at that, rather than delve into why exactly something is a thought. I'm not saying you should even bother questioning why someone might want a lamington haha. Just that it's an example of how, on the surface, a thought might seem simple to a human. Yet if really delved into, it can be quite complex. Then times that complexity by all of the other millions of thoughts a person constantly has one after the other, and you've got yourself a personality at one point.

    The point of that example was actually to say that as long as the chain of thoughts are unbroken and memories within the brain are kept intact, then even if parts of the brain are slowly replaced by, let's say nanorobots?, then would you even notice? I mean neurons in your brain die out and are replaced by others. Hence why you don't remember some things as well over time. You lose the ability to access all of the pathways of which that memory is stored in. So if nanorobots were around and permanently keeping these memories in fine working order for you, would that be less or more "you" than what you were before? Suppose they enhance all aspects of your brain and eventually replace all of the cells in your body (which would of happened anyway at some point, more or less). Would that still be you?? That's a thought that sometimes weirds me out haha. Because if the answer is that it is not me, then I'm saying that the core of me is the current set up of organic molecules I "possess", and that they would mean the same to me as my actual memories haha. Which I guess I am saying that haha I also concede that if I lose these particles (through natural cell replacement or artificial), then who I am technically dies. So I guess I must die on the regular haha. Oh well.
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    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?

    I’m here reading the essays. I think that it’s near impossible to take a conscious out of somebody and preserve it to be honest. Even if we did find a way, is that actually the person or just a clone of their memories? I personally believe in God, but I’m just talking about this point currently. How would we even go about extracting a conscious? I don’t think it’s really something we can quantify. I think at beat it’ll just be a clone of that’s person. Also with the cosmos and trillions of planets, We are not gonna go very far even if we could travel at light speed. We currently don’t even have enough fuel to get people to another’s solar system, much less a galaxy. We’d have to develop Hyperspace, but judging on the way our planet and resources are currently going, I’m not sure we can succeed and doing so. It certainly won’t be in my lifetime or even my this Century.

    About the space travel. Have faith that we'll find a way haha. I bet people in ancient Egypt rarely ever looked out to Mars or the Moon and thought we'd ever go there.

    Faster than light travel will hopefully come about one day. Who knows when really. Worm holes are mathematically possible, so there's hope in that I guess. But then again heaps of things are mathematically possible, which don't pan out to be reality haha.
  • Good god this thread is out of control.

    Is it?

    it's mostly boring teenage philosophy

    Seriously, what's the deal with you? What better thread to actually tell why you constantly jump into threads and leave some remark that is fitting of a 90s MTV host who is so beyond caring that he doesn't even care how little he cares about caring. Really, what's the point of coming on this forum and writing a few random comments like that and literally adding nothing else to any threads.
  • Good god this thread is out of control.

    Is it?

    it's mostly boring teenage philosophy

    Seriously, what's the deal with you? What better thread to actually tell why you constantly jump into threads and leave some remark that is fitting of a 90s MTV host who is so beyond caring that he doesn't even care how little he cares about caring. Really, what's the point of coming on this forum and writing a few random comments like that and literally adding nothing else to any threads.

    Leave one of your lame comments instead of an explanation if you like, but I'm genuinely curious why someone would do what you do so frequently.
  • Good god this thread is out of control.

    Is it?

    it's mostly boring teenage philosophy

    Seriously, what's the deal with you? What better thread to actually tell why you constantly jump into threads and leave some remark that is fitting of a 90s MTV host who is so beyond caring that he doesn't even care how little he cares about caring. Really, what's the point of coming on this forum and writing a few random comments like that and literally adding nothing else to any threads.

    you sure get excited when anyone disagrees with you
  • Good god this thread is out of control.

    Is it?

    it's mostly boring teenage philosophy

    Seriously, what's the deal with you? What better thread to actually tell why you constantly jump into threads and leave some remark that is fitting of a 90s MTV host who is so beyond caring that he doesn't even care how little he cares about caring. Really, what's the point of coming on this forum and writing a few random comments like that and literally adding nothing else to any threads.

    you sure get excited when anyone disagrees with you

    Ok MTV.
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    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?

    I’m here reading the essays. I think that it’s near impossible to take a conscious out of somebody and preserve it to be honest. Even if we did find a way, is that actually the person or just a clone of their memories? I personally believe in God, but I’m just talking about this point currently. How would we even go about extracting a conscious? I don’t think it’s really something we can quantify. I think at beat it’ll just be a clone of that’s person. Also with the cosmos and trillions of planets, We are not gonna go very far even if we could travel at light speed. We currently don’t even have enough fuel to get people to another’s solar system, much less a galaxy. We’d have to develop Hyperspace, but judging on the way our planet and resources are currently going, I’m not sure we can succeed and doing so. It certainly won’t be in my lifetime or even my this Century.

    About the space travel. Have faith that we'll find a way haha. I bet people in ancient Egypt rarely ever looked out to Mars or the Moon and thought we'd ever go there.

    Faster than light travel will hopefully come about one day. Who knows when really. Worm holes are mathematically possible, so there's hope in that I guess. But then again heaps of things are mathematically possible, which don't pan out to be reality haha.

    That’s what I’m saying, it’s very much unlikely. This video explains it pretty well.

    Essentially, we can get extremely close to the speed of light, but we will never be able to travel at Light Speed as long as we have mass. Even if we did get to light speed, it’d take four years to even make it to the nearest star, and that’s at a constant speed, not to mention what if we kit space debris? It’s just not possible for our current resources on Earth, and unless we figure out how to make mass actually hit zero so momentum equals energy, we cannot hit light speed.
    Wormholes are a better bet, but a physicist says it better.

    "The jury is not in, so we just don't know," Thorne, one of the world's leading authorities on relativity, black holes and wormholes, told Space.com. "But there are very strong indications that wormholes that a human could travel through are forbidden by the laws of physics. That's sad, that's unfortunate, but that's the direction in which things are pointing."
    He says that the ability to stabilize a wormhole is a problem, as it’s walls close on itself too quickly for anything to be able to get through, not to mention it would have to be man made as it cannot exist naturally, and we would need Negative Energy to just be able to stabilize it, and in huge amounts. We most likely will not get out of our solar system. Mostly because of the laws of physics. Unless we can find a way to break those laws, and find a way to move at least as fast as light, we won’t be going anywhere.
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    Ok here's a serious post. From what I learned and observed depression or whatever mental disposition OP seems to have usually occurs from a lack of belief that there's an objective purpose and truth to our existence, that is the result when one lacks faith in God. Living without belief in intelligent design means our outlook on life can only be that everything is meaningless and without purpose or objectivity, which is not true. Everything happens for a reason. But the view Darwanism has to offer is the opposite.

    How do we know that we can trust in merely what textbooks say, how can we be so arrogant to assume there's nothing out there outside the material world? how can life be created by non life? Many of you are quickly to be open to the possibility of stupidity like aliens, even though there's no evidence, but not a God. The core belief of evolution is that life simply arose from non life by chance. That there simply `happened' to be the right chemicals in the right place, in the right arrangement, it was just the right time and conditions, and then suddenly some unknown electro-chemical process took place and life created itself. Thats the dogmatic belief we are either supposed to accept It or be ridiculed yet there's no evidence and It sounds absolutely ridiculous. So why do we accept It?

    Common sense tells me that when one looks at a building or painting, you know there was a builder and a painter by default. There is no need to see the author to know that fact because nothing is created by itself, that's a biological truth. Out of all the hundreds of million's of years of fossil excavation, we can't find one specie in their transitional forms, that's because God created everything as definite species from the beginning, a bird can never be naturally transformed into a mouse, an ape is not connected to a human in any way. How much more degrading can society think of themselves?

    I guarantee that everything in this temporal life counts, and each one will receive according their deeds. That's my belief and I don't care if you want to trash me for It.

    Whilst yes you're probably right that there is increased depression in people who feel they have no purpose in life. Why are you so sure that the solution is only to believe in God? Why can't something else be an option? I know my own personal experience is merely anecdotal, but it's still proof to me that there is no need for a god to feel happy and not depressed, even when thinking about the infinite future and things like that.

    I put this question to you about your views on the meaning of life and it's purpose and how you claim to seek answers to those from a "creator". Why would a God's opinion about the meaning of your life matter more to you than your own?

    Furthermore, what if it isn't the answer you wanted to hear? What if the god literally just answers how agent smith answers in the matrix, and tells you the meaning of life is to end? Then what? You just accept it? I doubt it.

    The concept of a god having the answer to the purpose of your own existence and you actually accepting that as an answer relies completely on your own mind believing that it will be something you will 100% accept, and therefore something pleasant to you.

    I have another few questions for you about what you talked about with life emerging from inorganic material. You spoke about how you are ridiculed if you don't believe in evolution. Which you shouldn't be ridiculed for that, I agree 100%. Then you basically go on to say that you have made a decision about your belief in God, of which you also have no hard evidence. So why do you feel the need to make a decision about what you do and don't accept between these 2 things at the moment anyway? If neither has hard evidence to 100% support their claims, what's the point in making the decision?

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?

    I’m here reading the essays. I think that it’s near impossible to take a conscious out of somebody and preserve it to be honest. Even if we did find a way, is that actually the person or just a clone of their memories? I personally believe in God, but I’m just talking about this point currently. How would we even go about extracting a conscious? I don’t think it’s really something we can quantify. I think at beat it’ll just be a clone of that’s person. Also with the cosmos and trillions of planets, We are not gonna go very far even if we could travel at light speed. We currently don’t even have enough fuel to get people to another’s solar system, much less a galaxy. We’d have to develop Hyperspace, but judging on the way our planet and resources are currently going, I’m not sure we can succeed and doing so. It certainly won’t be in my lifetime or even my this Century.

    About the space travel. Have faith that we'll find a way haha. I bet people in ancient Egypt rarely ever looked out to Mars or the Moon and thought we'd ever go there.

    Faster than light travel will hopefully come about one day. Who knows when really. Worm holes are mathematically possible, so there's hope in that I guess. But then again heaps of things are mathematically possible, which don't pan out to be reality haha.

    That’s what I’m saying, it’s very much unlikely. This video explains it pretty well.

    Essentially, we can get extremely close to the speed of light, but we will never be able to travel at Light Speed as long as we have mass. Even if we did get to light speed, it’d take four years to even make it to the nearest star, and that’s at a constant speed, not to mention what if we kit space debris? It’s just not possible for our current resources on Earth, and unless we figure out how to make mass actually hit zero so momentum equals energy, we cannot hit light speed.
    Wormholes are a better bet, but a physicist says it better.

    "The jury is not in, so we just don't know," Thorne, one of the world's leading authorities on relativity, black holes and wormholes, told Space.com. "But there are very strong indications that wormholes that a human could travel through are forbidden by the laws of physics. That's sad, that's unfortunate, but that's the direction in which things are pointing."
    He says that the ability to stabilize a wormhole is a problem, as it’s walls close on itself too quickly for anything to be able to get through, not to mention it would have to be man made as it cannot exist naturally, and we would need Negative Energy to just be able to stabilize it, and in huge amounts. We most likely will not get out of our solar system. Mostly because of the laws of physics. Unless we can find a way to break those laws, and find a way to move at least as fast as light, we won’t be going anywhere.

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    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    StarLillie wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
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    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?

    I’m here reading the essays. I think that it’s near impossible to take a conscious out of somebody and preserve it to be honest. Even if we did find a way, is that actually the person or just a clone of their memories? I personally believe in God, but I’m just talking about this point currently. How would we even go about extracting a conscious? I don’t think it’s really something we can quantify. I think at beat it’ll just be a clone of that’s person. Also with the cosmos and trillions of planets, We are not gonna go very far even if we could travel at light speed. We currently don’t even have enough fuel to get people to another’s solar system, much less a galaxy. We’d have to develop Hyperspace, but judging on the way our planet and resources are currently going, I’m not sure we can succeed and doing so. It certainly won’t be in my lifetime or even my this Century.

    About the space travel. Have faith that we'll find a way haha. I bet people in ancient Egypt rarely ever looked out to Mars or the Moon and thought we'd ever go there.

    Faster than light travel will hopefully come about one day. Who knows when really. Worm holes are mathematically possible, so there's hope in that I guess. But then again heaps of things are mathematically possible, which don't pan out to be reality haha.

    That’s what I’m saying, it’s very much unlikely. This video explains it pretty well.

    Essentially, we can get extremely close to the speed of light, but we will never be able to travel at Light Speed as long as we have mass. Even if we did get to light speed, it’d take four years to even make it to the nearest star, and that’s at a constant speed, not to mention what if we kit space debris? It’s just not possible for our current resources on Earth, and unless we figure out how to make mass actually hit zero so momentum equals energy, we cannot hit light speed.
    Wormholes are a better bet, but a physicist says it better.

    "The jury is not in, so we just don't know," Thorne, one of the world's leading authorities on relativity, black holes and wormholes, told Space.com. "But there are very strong indications that wormholes that a human could travel through are forbidden by the laws of physics. That's sad, that's unfortunate, but that's the direction in which things are pointing."
    He says that the ability to stabilize a wormhole is a problem, as it’s walls close on itself too quickly for anything to be able to get through, not to mention it would have to be man made as it cannot exist naturally, and we would need Negative Energy to just be able to stabilize it, and in huge amounts. We most likely will not get out of our solar system. Mostly because of the laws of physics. Unless we can find a way to break those laws, and find a way to move at least as fast as light, we won’t be going anywhere.

    Yes isn't the good old Higgs field annoying sometimes haha. Whilst yes lightspeed is still highly impractical for a galactic civilization, it'd be great for travel around the sol system. It'd be like COD infinite warfare and how they moved about, which I thought was really cool. You're right about the debris as well. I mean even if we are able to somehow remove the higgs field from interacting with our atoms so our mass is removed, all the other forces are still active. So they would still interact with any particles of mass and cause huge trouble haha. To overcome this I think we would need to first designate specific routes which star ships can travel along and these routes first be traversed and "sweeped" of any debris. That way we basically have lightspeed highways throughout the solar system that are relatively safe and only really open to disaster from any interstellar debris that will come in from outside our suns gravitational pull. Now I don't know how common debris like that is. It might be everywhere for all I know haha, and only a very small object could destroy a ship. So perhaps barriers would have to be built around these "highways" to stop any of it interfering with travel.

    I think that'd be an awesome way forward for us even if we start travelling at half lightspeed.

    Yes it's unfortunate that worm holes might be a dead end in the way Thorne says. Who knows exactly where the research might take us though. One dead end is sometimes a breakthrough for another theory. Such as with the ether and relativity. It might seem bad at first to lose the possibility of something existing, but then something even better might come along. Or something worse haha. Hope it's better though.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    StarLillie wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    Ok here's a serious

    It's like what happened for so many people with Newtonian gravity. Everyone accepted his equations for decades about how to calculate the positions of the planets. All except for why Mercury was slightly out of the position the equations predicted. Now imagine if someone came along 10 years before even special relativity was proposed, let alone general relativity, and they said space and time warped when travelling at different speeds and the mass of an object could affect both. They would come across the same way you think the people who believe in evolution come across now. Yet that guy would of been right. One main difference between that example and wondering why people ridicule god believers is that real scientists actually never say that they believe 100% in a "law" of the universe or whatever you want to call them. They, for the most part, are totally open to the laws being changed and completely destroyed even. It'd be rare to find a scientist that defends general relativity being "real" with as much fervor as a Christian would defend god being real. The only thing the scientist will (or should) defend is the theory's extremely high probability to make an accurate prediction if it is applied to a question or situation (experiment) which relates to the theory. Going beyond that and saying that it will 100% be able to predict all experimental results that relate to it is a step too far because if one experiment finds a fault in it, then it is considered either wrong or incomplete. Much like what happened to Newton's gravity equations. Although they are still very useful, they were superseded by a theory that provides measuring accuracy that is yet to be faulted, all starting from a measurement of the position of Mercury that the Newtonian equations could not get right by something like half a centimeter.

    If God is all loving and care about us, then It's not wrong to say that He left humanity with instructions, knowledge of His nature and character, understanding of how things came to be, and made us aware of His will. it's called the Bible. God is not a passive deity Who leaves His creation unguided and confused. He never said the meaning of life is to end, He promises us the opposite. All that we need to live fulfilling life's without uncertainties is written in the scriptures. Only by seeking divine knowledge our purpose becomes clearer than ever and we finally begin to understand why the world is in the fallen state It's in, why suffering and evil are predominant things that humanity deals with, and we understand our fallen human condition. With the knowledge of God we gain hope for a better future and learn to make better positive lifestyles choices, no affliction is great enough to bring us down when you have the light.

    The reason why I made the choice to believe in God over evolution theory, is because unlike Darwanism, there's actually a substantial amount of evidence outside my own personal experience to have faith that the Bible is God's word if you take time to research and study It. My faith is far more complex than "what makes me feel comfortable". If the bible was just a book without any sort of divine inspiration then It could never accurately predict the future or be so consistent with historical events. One example is ***** and Gomorah being destroyed by fire and brimstone that came down from heaven and completely reduced to ashes according to the scriptures. Today we see that the same archeological sites bears record of these two cities that suffered from God's wrath in the same precise way described in the bible. The only possible explanation for the state that the surrounding structures of these ancient cities were left in is that the entire region suffered from extreme fervent heat, there's no denying that this is a biblical supernatural reality that came to pass. Along with many other things such as the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AC, something that Jesus foretold in his lufetime. It's also a growing belief among scientists that the real Israelites Jews are related to the native Indians of the Americas, If that is indeed true then the prophecy of the Israelites being scattered abroad is history and It's another event written before It happened. The fact you can't find a buried decomposed body of Jesus nowhere in the planet is evidence within It self that Jesus is who He claimed to be.

    If you want to disregard all archeological evidence and history that are on the side of the bible, then the question that remains to be answered is, how can life exist without life? Specially something as complex as our solar system. Having the sun perfectly placed 91.507 miles apart from the earth, not any further or closer, so that we either don't turn into toast or lose all life in the planet that is reliant on the sun's heat. If this kind of precision can't be the result of intelligent design alone then I don't know what Is. If you are not convinced that God is real, I don't see what more plausible explanation there is, because unlike all the other psuedo science theories that try to explain our existence, God is the only thing that can not ever be debunked to this day. That's why I also think that It's a bit ridiculous to compare the followers of Newton theory to christians, the difference between the law of relativity and Darwanism is that the latter can and was proven wrong even by what you would call secular scientists. The only argument that one can come up with against God is "there's no evidence" yet history and observing the complexity of our universe shows there is plenty. An evolutionist is comparable to a religious zealot, they constantly disagree within themselves and have blind faith in something irrational. They also can't seem to be capable of respecting any one of opposing beliefs, I guess behaving and thinking like an ape is a norm if you believe you're descended from one.







    There are over 150 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Perhaps a trillion planets. Therefore trillions and trillions of plants in the universe. Yet you're saying it has to be 100% intelligent design precision that one of them ended up at a distance from the sun that is able to sustain the current life we have on earth? I really believe only ego can drive such a belief that the example of the Sun's distance from the Earth could be used to "prove" this planet was especially designed for us. We haven't even mapped 1% of the stars in our own galaxy, let alone explored any of it outside of our solar system. So that should tell you that the possibility of other planets like ours is still very open to becoming a reality. Keep in mind that even in Earth life can sustain itself at subzero temperatures and also extreme 60 degree + temperatures. So planets even on the edges of the habitable zones in other systems could support carbon based life, and who knows what other types of life. So no, I don't think you can say this planet is unique without even having explored the other ones.

    In what way did the Bible predict the future? Did it do it the same way the Simpsons does? Haha the Simpsons seems to of predicted dozens of events, it doesn't mean it's evidence of the show being written by God. I'm not exaggerating either, that's a genuine comparison. As for the Bible being historically accurate...so what? There are many ancient books that were accurate about events as significant as the collapse of a city during the era it was written. That's like saying if I wrote a little made up story about a soldier world war 2 and yet kept true to the locations and events that happened in the war, then that's somehow incredible and everything in it should then be believed. It doesn't make any sense to believe everything in a book just because it's historically accurate. In fact, if you were going to make up a religion, that would definitely be the way to go about it so that you come across as plausible as possible.

    Lack of proof of a dead body is hardly proof that a person existed. Please you must see the error in that logic surely? Another possible reason for no proof of his body is that he never existed. You have to concede that is a possibility??

    Well you say God can't be debunked. Yet then you have to also say elves and orcs can't be debunked and therefore you believe in them. I'm sure there are websites with "evidence" that says elves and orcs existed, but common sense prevails and you just straight away know that it's all lies to an extremely high degree of certainty. It brings me back to Newton's equations and general relativity. Just because something cannot be disproved, doesn't mean you should 100% believe in it.

    I think the main reason behind why a Christian would believe God exists over an elf or orc existing, is simply because your eternal soul is what's at stake if you don't believe in the god choice. And that's one hell of a risk for many people.

    So if you're a Christian, I bet the country you live in has Christianity as its main faith? I wonder what the chances were of you or your parents/grandparents picking that religion over the other ones? Who chose that one to believe in? Why not Hinduism or Buddhism? Why are all of the people who believe in each religion usually all gathered together in the one, or a few, countries? Why doesn't god spread it all out more equally?

    Lucky you that you were born in the country you were I guess and not in central Africa as a tribesman. Those guys are doomed to eternal hellfire. Bad luck for them hey. Fairs fair though with the god of peace and justice haha.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse! When an offender stands before a judge in a courtroom, even if not aware that his own actions were criminal, that doesn't stop a righteous judge from sentencing the criminal with his well deserved punishment. That same rule applies to God. And at the rate Christianity spread throughout the globe in the past years, while suffering countless persecutions and tribulations for the sake of their faith, virtually no one can be said to be ignorant of God's word anymore. Those who reject Jesus are making a conscious responsible choice, but unfortunately, there would be far more Christians in middle eastern and African regions if the rise of Islam hasn't occured by the means of a violent subjugation and conversion of people. Keep in mind that Catholicism is not associated in any way with what I believe in, which is the bible. Two diametrically opposite things. Catholics comprise the highest percentage of religious beliefs in the west, not Christianity. For you to say that a Christian is just "raised this way" in a society where most people are either Catholic, new agers, atheist or outright ignorant of the bible instead of making an independent choice to walk this path as they grow older is unrealistic. The Christian path is far more complex than mommy and daddy simply telling you "hey Jimmy, God is real." Haha. It is a decision and a way of life, that very few manage to find or understand.

    With that said, It's very ironic that many like to use the assumption that the incentive that leads one to having faith in God is fear. While that is untrue and wrong in so many levels, what a Christian can also assume is that the main reason an atheist would refuse the idea of a creator is out of pure fear of change, since aligning with God means that they would be required to leave from their sinful comfort zone, ultimately denying themselves, which is inconvenient. I also hope you know that this entire argument of religion being "decided" by whoever raised me can be reversed back at you. Because if that were the case, then all your ideals are nothing but a product of a heathen educational system based on lies, indoctrination, and suppression of information. There's nothing more mainstream and pop culture I can think of now other than Darwanism being forced down the throats of the youth by the millions. It's no different than a new religion being set up, and eventually we will have an entire generation of families being raised atheist believing they came from stardust, and they will come out just the same way you see Christians now, hahaha.

    As a God believer, who is not easily led by worldly ambitions, the fact we are hardly able of finding evidence of one single planet capable of naturally sustaining human life without the need of advanced life support systems to say the least, like the earth, tells me a few things. The Earth as far as we know, is the only planet decided by intelligent design that It should sustain life, specially when you take into account It's relation and dependency to the sun, which is responsible for the growth of ALL life that we see, making earth an suitable environment for humans and millions of animal species while all the other planets we know are but lifeless barren rocks. That's not even mentioning Earth's magnetic field absent from any other planet. If the evolution account was true, taking God out of the scenario, what are the odds of microorganisms finding their way to Earth instead of any other planet in our solar system? Life could never hope to survive and flourish to what we see today. That's why I believe us being here is no coincidence, and it's certainly not ego driven to simply be able comprehend God's intent with creation. And I will even theorize that maybe It is not God's will that humans should explore space at all, ever wonder why we can't even naturally breath up there or if exposed to Mar's toxic dusts and It's radiation, we would die within minutes. If there is so much of a sea of wonder out there, and God never intended that human life should be the only existing physical life form in the universe bound strictly to Earth's domain, then one of the things any one who observes and studies space for a living should be able to spot by now is alien activity near our solar system. If there are billions of unknown planets in this Galaxy alone, possibly filled millions of intelligent lifeforms, then It's not wrong to say that we should see space very congested with traffic, as the odds of our Earth being spotted and orbited by highly advanced life would be a very high probability by now If I were to believe we are not alone. So the next question that I bring, why would God only create one race of temporal beings with a finite lifetime in a supposedly infinite universe? What are the chances of NASA shaping our outlook and minds about how space should be viewed? Maybe what is truly out there is not what we think and we are all blinded by made up story invented to set us back from believing in God.

    So, all that we are left with regarding space, or if there are any planets similar to Earth are speculations, uncertainties, and wishful thinking. The biblical account of creation does not mention aliens, or that life is a possibility in other planets or that It should be encouraged. However, What It tells us, are about deceiving spirits and demons called fallen angels and nephlim (I'd say orcs and whatever are based off them, along with many other elements of "fantasy".). I believe that If Satan wanted to pull off a mass deception to hold people away from the truth, he would pretend to be an alien and persuade us about all sorts of things that contradicts our creation history and use his best efforts to do anything that help us doubt God.

    The real ego and arrogance I see is that the average man thinks he is so well informed with his science and education, to the point he feels there's nothing to look beyond what he regurgitated and the information he was provided. There's no room for the supernatural, independent thought, or God.
    If you can't even take seriously God's word, which for your information did predict far more significant, world shaping events than the downfall of Jerusalem, then I don't expect a TV show, which seemed to have foretold world events as if they were years rigged and planned ahead, such as Trump's election, world trade center, etc, to make you raise questions if there is in fact something extremely off about this world and perhaps take a hint that all our reality comes down to the unseen realm. Keep living in your obstinate foolishness.




    Woah, that could be a full essay!

    Jam packed with contradictions lol. I'd give it a C for the effort at least.

    What are your beliefs may I ask? Do you side with David or myself or neither?

    I’m here reading the essays. I think that it’s near impossible to take a conscious out of somebody and preserve it to be honest. Even if we did find a way, is that actually the person or just a clone of their memories? I personally believe in God, but I’m just talking about this point currently. How would we even go about extracting a conscious? I don’t think it’s really something we can quantify. I think at beat it’ll just be a clone of that’s person. Also with the cosmos and trillions of planets, We are not gonna go very far even if we could travel at light speed. We currently don’t even have enough fuel to get people to another’s solar system, much less a galaxy. We’d have to develop Hyperspace, but judging on the way our planet and resources are currently going, I’m not sure we can succeed and doing so. It certainly won’t be in my lifetime or even my this Century.

    About the space travel. Have faith that we'll find a way haha. I bet people in ancient Egypt rarely ever looked out to Mars or the Moon and thought we'd ever go there.

    Faster than light travel will hopefully come about one day. Who knows when really. Worm holes are mathematically possible, so there's hope in that I guess. But then again heaps of things are mathematically possible, which don't pan out to be reality haha.

    That’s what I’m saying, it’s very much unlikely. This video explains it pretty well.

    Essentially, we can get extremely close to the speed of light, but we will never be able to travel at Light Speed as long as we have mass. Even if we did get to light speed, it’d take four years to even make it to the nearest star, and that’s at a constant speed, not to mention what if we kit space debris? It’s just not possible for our current resources on Earth, and unless we figure out how to make mass actually hit zero so momentum equals energy, we cannot hit light speed.
    Wormholes are a better bet, but a physicist says it better.

    "The jury is not in, so we just don't know," Thorne, one of the world's leading authorities on relativity, black holes and wormholes, told Space.com. "But there are very strong indications that wormholes that a human could travel through are forbidden by the laws of physics. That's sad, that's unfortunate, but that's the direction in which things are pointing."
    He says that the ability to stabilize a wormhole is a problem, as it’s walls close on itself too quickly for anything to be able to get through, not to mention it would have to be man made as it cannot exist naturally, and we would need Negative Energy to just be able to stabilize it, and in huge amounts. We most likely will not get out of our solar system. Mostly because of the laws of physics. Unless we can find a way to break those laws, and find a way to move at least as fast as light, we won’t be going anywhere.

    Yes isn't the good old Higgs field annoying sometimes haha. Whilst yes lightspeed is still highly impractical for a galactic civilization, it'd be great for travel around the sol system. It'd be like COD infinite warfare and how they moved about, which I thought was really cool. You're right about the debris as well. I mean even if we are able to somehow remove the higgs field from interacting with our atoms so our mass is removed, all the other forces are still active. So they would still interact with any particles of mass and cause huge trouble haha. To overcome this I think we would need to first designate specific routes which star ships can travel along and these routes first be traversed and "sweeped" of any debris. That way we basically have lightspeed highways throughout the solar system that are relatively safe and only really open to disaster from any interstellar debris that will come in from outside our suns gravitational pull. Now I don't know how common debris like that is. It might be everywhere for all I know haha, and only a very small object could destroy a ship. So perhaps barriers would have to be built around these "highways" to stop any of it interfering with travel.

    I think that'd be an awesome way forward for us even if we start travelling at half lightspeed.

    Yes it's unfortunate that worm holes might be a dead end in the way Thorne says. Who knows exactly where the research might take us though. One dead end is sometimes a breakthrough for another theory. Such as with the ether and relativity. It might seem bad at first to lose the possibility of something existing, but then something even better might come along. Or something worse haha. Hope it's better though.

    That's my comment by the way. I had to remove previous quotes because the quotes are making everything beyond the word limit haha.
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