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It's time to nerf the AT-ST

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  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
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    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    In that’s video, there was literally nobody using Ion weapons to attack the tank. Not one. That’s like ignoring launch Anakin while he’s in your spawn. If the players don’t once think to pull out their launchers and attack it, that’s THEIR fault. Again, the video just proves what most have been saying, if the team chooses not to take some Ion weaponry to attack the Tank, they’ll get rolled over, which will happen if it was a hero as well. They need no nerf, people just have to be willing to go anti tank. This is a user issue.

    And this is another point. Exactly because there are few players that use ion weapon we can't ignore the fact that AT-ST are a problem in some points. For this i say, buff their health but decrease their firepower and their speed

    Again, no nerf or buff needed. The AT-ST’s become a problem if a team let the AT-ST’s become a problem.
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    The specialist should have a side arm card.

    I agree. Especially since the Stinger pistol got nerfed.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.
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  • These threads always devolve into arguments, personal ones at that. If you got trouble with AT-ST's, your team isn't running things to counter them. If you do that, you'll make a difference. Small maps are trouble because you may get killed a few times before you get the chance to take one out. But Crait? Just forget about battle points for a couple minutes, run to the back and set up your ion turret and have at them with the ion missle. Same thing with those stupid strafe runners. Find a high spot to put your turret up and let loose with that missle. Those Y-wings etc. won't be flying much longer.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.
  • They dont need nerfing they need to stop being so dirt cheap.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
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    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.

    If you think at-st are fine, ok, legit. For me they aren't. All the rest you say is the fantasy of your brain
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    Quite accurate.

    He’s always on point with his assessments, people just shy away from the cold truth when it comes to this game.
  • I still think it has to do with the loadouts people use. Instead of thinking of helping your squad with the delicious ion torpedoes and turrets, it's more of a personal battlepoint thing. One or two heavies can take down a ATST in a very short time. I always smile when a player kills me that is running a set of cards to help his/her team. #squadbasedcombat
  • Why is this topic not dead yet

    And now he felt her, really felt her in the Force; He felt a bond, deeper and more intimate than he’d ever had before; and for a precious eternal instant he was her. . . 

    he was the beat of her heart and he was the motion of her lips. He was her soft words as though she spoke a prayer to the stars— I love you, Anakin. In life, and in death, we will always be one. I am yours


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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
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    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.

    If you think at-st are fine, ok, legit. For me they aren't. All the rest you say is the fantasy of your brain

    AT-STs being overpowered is a fantasy of your brain.

    Probably no, considering other players agreed
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
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    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.

    If you think at-st are fine, ok, legit. For me they aren't. All the rest you say is the fantasy of your brain

    AT-STs being overpowered is a fantasy of your brain.

    Probably no, considering other players agreed

    More people in this thread disagree

    Legit. But others agreed. We can continue like this all the day
  • The only nerf they need is that they need to cost more BP, but everything that costs BP needs an increase and/or remove the Bounty Hunter star card.
  • The only nerf they need is that they need to cost more BP, but everything that costs BP needs an increase and/or remove the Bounty Hunter star card.

    Yes, I would remove all battlepoints starcards... More space for infantry equipment and it would put all players on the same level.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
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    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.

    If you think at-st are fine, ok, legit. For me they aren't. All the rest you say is the fantasy of your brain

    AT-STs being overpowered is a fantasy of your brain.

    Probably no, considering other players agreed

    More people in this thread disagree

    Legit. But others agreed. We can continue like this all the day

    Besides the fact that this isn't a democracy, where we decide what should be done and devs will do it: less people agreed with you rather than disagreeing. Therefore, the "majority" is against your proposal. Doesn't matter if "some" agreed with you then tbh [/quote]

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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.

    If you think at-st are fine, ok, legit. For me they aren't. All the rest you say is the fantasy of your brain

    AT-STs being overpowered is a fantasy of your brain.

    Probably no, considering other players agreed

    More people in this thread disagree

    Legit. But others agreed. We can continue like this all the day

    So AT STs need a nerf because a few people agreed but when more people think they don't need a nerf they should still get a nerf?

    AT STs are fine and don't need a nerf.

    You are truly unreasonable, as are the friends you called to give you reason.
    No, the AT-STs don't need a nerf for the reasons you said. it is true, here it seems that most are against a nerf, this does not mean that I AND OTHERS who believe that they need a nerf cannot say our opinion. This is a forum, we are free to say what we think without a bunch of haters going against our thinking. is it clearer now maybe? It was enough that you politely said your opinion, but no, you insulted, attributed untrue thoughts to me and others etc. For you and the majority in this thread, the AT-STs are ok? Well, like I said 100 times it's legitimate. But it is equally legitimate that I and others (even in the minority) can have our say. One thing you haters did, you gave incredible visibility to this post. Well done ;-)



  • Dear DarthCapa2,

    We know. It’s ok. The loss of a beloved hero is a life altering event that takes years to recover from. The scar will always remain.

    You’ve been through the first two stages of grief: greif and guilt. But you’re stuck now in the third stage of anger & bargaining, and perpetuating this thread is keeping you trapped there.

    It’s time to let go. We’re here for you as you enter stage four, depression and loneliness. We know your pain. Just reach out.

    It’s time to let go.

    Let go...


    Another friend called to the rescue? guys i don't know what problem you have, but the reason for this thread is not this.
    As I have said 100 times, I have no reason to say otherwise.

    But do as you want, now you are having fun like this. If I knew that I would attract all this hatred to say what I thought I would have been silent. Even if at this point this thread should be carried out only to not give you satisfaction. It is not by bullying others that you will be right. But you're probably a lot of kids just trying to have fun.
    Everything I have said and suggested for this game from day 1 has been for its good.
    And many can confirm it.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.

    If you think at-st are fine, ok, legit. For me they aren't. All the rest you say is the fantasy of your brain

    AT-STs being overpowered is a fantasy of your brain.

    Probably no, considering other players agreed

    More people in this thread disagree

    Legit. But others agreed. We can continue like this all the day

    Besides the fact that this isn't a democracy, where we decide what should be done and devs will do it: less people agreed with you rather than disagreeing. Therefore, the "majority" is against your proposal. Doesn't matter if "some" agreed with you then tbh

    it is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..
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    DarthCapa2 wrote: »


    Dear DarthCapa2,

    We know. It’s ok. The loss of a beloved hero is a life altering event that takes years to recover from. The scar will always remain.

    You’ve been through the first two stages of grief: greif and guilt. But you’re stuck now in the third stage of anger & bargaining, and perpetuating this thread is keeping you trapped there.

    It’s time to let go. We’re here for you as you enter stage four, depression and loneliness. We know your pain. Just reach out.

    It’s time to let go.

    Let go...


    Another friend called to the rescue? guys i don't know what problem you have, but the reason for this thread is not this.
    As I have said 100 times, I have no reason to say otherwise.

    But do as you want, now you are having fun like this. If I knew that I would attract all this hatred to say what I thought I would have been silent. Even if at this point this thread should be carried out only to not give you satisfaction. It is not by bullying others that you will be right. But you're probably a lot of kids just trying to have fun.
    Everything I have said and suggested for this game from day 1 has been for its good.
    And many can confirm it.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
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    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.

    If you think at-st are fine, ok, legit. For me they aren't. All the rest you say is the fantasy of your brain

    AT-STs being overpowered is a fantasy of your brain.

    Probably no, considering other players agreed

    More people in this thread disagree

    Legit. But others agreed. We can continue like this all the day

    Besides the fact that this isn't a democracy, where we decide what should be done and devs will do it: less people agreed with you rather than disagreeing. Therefore, the "majority" is against your proposal. Doesn't matter if "some" agreed with you then tbh

    it is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    the problem is not what you think, but the facts, I already said previously that only 3 players out of 20 are enough to destroy at-st. 3 out of 20 players represent less than a quarter of the players, and the problem was mainly due to the fact that the players are obsessed with the infantry kill rather than the victory. thus, few people or no one decides to equip themselves with an ION weapon to destroy it. This is the consequence of team play and not of the overkill of at-st. If you are a hero I find it normal that you are swept by AT -ST if you are not careful.
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    The only players who complain about this are hero mains...

    The AT-ST is fine.

    He is also a Vader main that asked for Buffs, the joke tells itself

    I don't ask for Vader buffs from a lot. I asked buffs when he was in need of them and just for big modes. I asked for nerfs for him too HvsV oriented.
    You are instead just a Vader hater, a Luke and Yoda main. But seem that Yoda and Luke don't teach nothing to you, hate and anger are the path for the dark side :D

    Vader didn't need buffs

    Not now, but in the past he was in need of buffs for big modes. Not for heroes vs villains. Let see if after the 100th time you can understand this clarification :-)

    He didn't need buffs for GA either

    In past yes. Damage reduction during choke and or block during choke wad needed for big modes. In big modes Luke and Maul were better than him so don't hate a character at prior

    They weren't needed, an ability like choke shouldn't have 0 repercussions. Luke and Maul are only good at farming troopers on phase 1 of maps like kashyyyk and Theed which generally isn't that impressive.

    Just because you like Darth Vader doesn't mean he should get absurd buffs.

    Major of players ask for the changes so they were needed. Block and choke is also cool and make Vader smoother and more fun to play. Yes I like Vader but just as I like Maul and others. Maul is good in big modes so no change was needed beside the block. An ability don't necessary need a big draw back, Luke Push have draw back against troopers? No. Kylo freeze? No. And so on..
    You instead seem to hate Vader for heroes vs villains that is a different matter.

    They weren't needed, there's a lot of bad players and because they make themselves vocal doesn't mean they are right. Choke is significantly better than push and Kylo doesn't get damage reduction and cc immunity for freezing, freeze is super powerful when there is blasters around so it's not really Kylo.

    You seem to like Vader and again they shouldn't balance around favoritism and fanboyism.

    This is the proof that you argue with only heroes vs villains in mind. Luke Push is indeed better Than choke vs troopers and worst vs heroes. Luke Push is a one shot area ability without draw back vs troopers while choke can't one shot troopers without cards and can't anyway insta kill the target, indeed it have draw back to slow down Vader making him vulnerable.

    Anyway this isn't the center of the discussion, the community already spoken about this demanding with decision a buff oriented for big modes for Vader. What should be done is balance better the characters for the different modes, as you see I'm just reasonable I don't shoe favoritism for a character or another, I just ask balance for the different modes, while seem that you hate some particular characters. Now return on thread please

    Vader was only vunerable if you miss time your choke. there is more to GA than killing troopers and judging abilities around how they kill troopers and nothing else is absurd.

    Don't generalize when talking about this, I've seen much much more people angry over Vader getting buffed and the only people praising the buffs are either Vader fanboys and people who are bad.

    You are far from reasonable, you Vader buff threads are all based around him being Vader or you dying.

    Yeah yeah. Severals improvements of this came came after my threads or after my support on other good and honest players here. So your ideology don't touch me. Your opinion on me is just wrong. I play this game from day one, I'm a good player and I don't need to prove this to you, I tried to be friendly but you insist to be arrogant and accuse me for things that aren't true. You hate Vader because kick you a** in heroes vs villains and you don't know how to face him? OK it is pretty clear at this point, just don't accuse people or try to know what they thinks without know them. You don't know me and you don't know what I think. All the threads I made for this game were for improve it and NEVER because I love more a character than another or because I was bad. So please finish here this discussion you don't have nothing to say of constructive.
    I'm more reasonable than you because I don't ask for balance things in the game following my preferences as you do. Bye

    Vader becoming insane easy mode and going against him being the very definition of a terrible experience are not improvements. I've played from day one too, many others too and they too think these Vader buffs he's been getting are absurd. Your opinions on the balance of Vader is objectively wrong. You know what, yeah Vader is tough to fight in HvV, because he is stupidly powerful all of which happened because of players like you beg for buffs. Vader getting buffs made the game objectively worse, you only think it was improvements because it made the game insanely easier for your favorite character. For what other reasons would anyone think Vader needed any buffs aside from you like him or you simply dying.

    You are saying that I don't have anything constructive to add but in general, this thread is just you wanting AT-STs nerfed because one killed you while you were a hero.

    It's really absurd to say you are more reasonable when you think your past ideas are factually improvements and actually think Vader needs all these terrible mechanics and buffs while saying I'm the unreasonable one just because I said Vader didn't need the buffs that he got.

    LOL you answer it is full of contradictions. You say I want nerf the atst because it killed me as a hero and at the same time you accuse me to play principally Vader etc.. Hey genius, atst can't kill Vader because Vader is on the same side of atst 🤣 this just proof how much not honest you are to accuse peoples randomly.
    You hate me because I killed you several times in a game or something?

    Then again, you say that some buffs to Vader ruin the game because make him too strong vs other heroes (your problem is principally this as you said other times) well.. Again.. genius I'm one of the players to suggest to nerf Vader vs other heroes.
    True i asked buffs for Vader as many others but only for BIG MODES, while I suggest several times to nerf him against heroes.
    I suggest to decrease the damage of choke vs heroes, to remove the CC immunity, to decrease or even remove the damage reduction in heroes vs villains, to decrease the stun time of choke etc etc.. so what you want from me? Calm down dude and use your frustration against some one else, not against me! There are players that don't want any nerf for Vader you should hate them more than me.
    I only asked buffs for big modes and honestly being able to block while choke is not an OP thing in big modes, it just make vader more fun to play and smoother and was a feature also present in Battlefront 2015. So your hate is insane and disturbing. In big Modes Maul, Anakin, Palpatine, Luke and Kylo are just powerful or even more powerful than Vader if well played. But probably you aren't a good hero player and this is part of the reason of your hate or you are just jealous

    Ok, first of all, don't sarcastically call me a genius in an insulting fashion when your post is a butchery of the English language.

    I never said you principally play as Vader, I simply said you just want the AT-ST nerfed because you lost a hero to one which seems to be the case, one specialist can highly hinder vehicle play, two or three can completely shut down vehicle play altogether. If this really wasn't about you losing a hero to one you wouldn't have just edited that this thread isn't about that just now.

    You are the one having the personal vendetta against me, I just said Vader never needed buffs and he didn't. You are the one lashing out because you think he needed absurd things like damage reduction and CC immunity during choke. The amount of deflecting you are doing to make it look like I'm having some sort of angry outburst when you are the one having one over simply being told that Vader didn't need buffs in any mode is even more disturbing.

    Trust me, I'm not nor is anyone else here is jealous of you I guarantee you that.

    Then why you hate me if you aren't jealous? There aren't other reasons I never insulted you or something. It is evident you have something with like Raylol I killed you in a game or humiliated you in some way? And.. My personal vendetta of what? You are the first to call me out and call Vader out.

    My English isn't perfect, English isn't my mother language. Insult me for this is worst than call you sarcastically a genius.

    If you think that I'm here because I was killed by an at-st is you personal opinion based on nothing. I'm killed by atst as all the others and as you nothing more. I'm here because I know how deadly atst are, indeed darhj posted an image of me killing him as an atst not me being killed by an atst. In some maps they are a problem in my point of view, and I know this because I can wreck the entire enemy team with easy.
    Yes they can be destroyed with easy thanks to some combinations but this don't mean they aren't too strong in terms of firepower. I have no problems with AAT for example or with the clone tanks, they are indeed powerful but balanced.

    Who said anything about me hating you? You are the one lashing out over me saying Vader didn't need any buffs for any mode.

    If your English isn't perfect then don't sarcastically call people genius while barely making coherent sentences.

    For what other reason would you have made this thread then? AT-STs aren't tough, it takes 2-3 players to absolutely shut them down. The little I didn't make this thread because I got killed by one edit proves it even more and is just you trying to save face.

    I made this thread because in some maps and some points are a problem for the balance. When I use them I can wreck an entire team with easy (yes then maybe I die) but I can go through enemy defense too easily and this can mean win or lose a game.
    Then hey, I don't hate them and they aren't a problem so huge as other in the past.
    The edit is only for "mature" players like you that all the times someone ask for balance something come to say :
    "oh iTs BeCaUsE YoU aRe KiLLeD FrOm ThEm"

    Your original post implies that you find that heroes being helpless against them and them chasing all other units around to be the problem, which isn't true because 2-3 heavies or specialists make them a non-factor. Your post history also pretty much confirms that too.

    You edited it once someone called you out on it, if it really wasn't about you losing your hero then you would have had that in the OP when you made the thread.

    Yes because some time I killed some heroes in the same way. It is super easy kill them, and yes no problem to admit that some times the same happened to me. But it isn't the main problem with them, just ONE of them. If you complain about some heroes too strong vs others, why you don't complain about atst being too strong vs heroes in general? I mean some of them have 0 ways to defend themselves against it. Take Han for example, what he can do? Nothing. They can at least buff his grenade damage against them so he have 1 chance. It is only a matter of balance.
    But the hero point is secondary, the principal point is how easy you can go through enemies in general, you can't do the same with AAT or the TX 130 indeed they are powerful but balanced at the same time.

    This whole "I do too well with AT-STs" is just another deflection, again if that was what this was really about than the original post would have said that.

    I play Han in GA against AT-STs all the time and no issue, I just avoid them and a teammate gets them, 0 issues.

    This:

    I know they can be destroyed easy with the right combination but my main issue with them is that they can go through enemies in a kamikaze mode too easily. I do the same some times, I charge the enemy team in their defending position, i clear the area from all of them (heroes included) with easy dying in the process but opening the crucial point to my team. This can be viewed as a tactic and it is, but it is too effective this is what I mean. With an AAT or a TX 130 you can't do this, indeed I have no problems with them.
    Sorry for my English I hope I explained the point better.

    AT-STs can't go "kamikaze mode" they are big targets, the one class that specializes in long-range combat has one of the most effective weapons against it, and they have bad mobility compared to the TX130 and even the AAT. Play carelessly and it just ends up looking stupid while stumbling and trying to get away from all the ion shots, ion torpedos, and anything else that can destroy it. No nerf needed.

    Yes they can go in kamikaze mode, I do it frequently. You will die in the process but you can. Say what you want, I tried to explain better my point. For you they don't need nerfs of balance? OK legit position, just don't accuse people or pretend to be in their head.

    If just 2 or 3 people are keen on destroying vehicles any kamikaze attempts will have little to no real impact on the match.

    I never accused or pretended to be in anyone's head.

    You are exaggerating they can't go down SO easy and quickly. And you need 2 or 3 players focused on it with the RIGHT weapons. Or yes, you can go in a kamikaze mode and destroy all the enemy defense. Try yourself.
    Yes you did pretending to know why I opened this thread.

    Yes they can, if I'm feeling bored on Crait I just switch to a specialist with disruption shot and can completely shut down the FO's AT STs.

    You made this thread because "He can run and chase every unit in the game with easy" and "damage of his main weapon, (especially vs heroes that are helpless against"

    The whole "I'm too good" with them or whatever is just your attempt to try and make this not look like you just losing your hero which if it was then you wouldn't be editing it all in and would have just had it from the start.

    Here you are again. You are still saying you know why I did a thread, basically saying that you are in my head. What a childish way of doing. I don't need to justify to you why I opened a thread. I already explain my points, while you are just here to say "No iT iSn'T tRuE" blah blah a very constructive way to respond. For you atst are ok? Fine, now just give a break. You must be really one of these players who make their day chasing heroes with atst if you are so obsessed by this point, or a hero hater. You have nothing else in mind. Wake up this game is not all about heroes..

    Don't even try to hide it, as I said if the thread was really about what you are claiming it to be you wouldn't have been editing the original post trying to make it look like it's not about losing your hero.

    You don't have to be in your head to see how obvious it is.

    I edited the thread to explain better my point. Honestly it is disgusting how you try to manipulate everything I say and everything I do. As I already said I don't need to justify to you what I opened a thread. You have a childish way to discuss. Other players agreed with me, so why they understand the point while you and your friends no?

    The edits are obviously you trying to save face. You don't need to justify anything, it's obvious that you just lost a hero to an ATST. Calling you out on all this isn't childish, you trying to avoid it is more childish. Even more players disagree with you. Why don't you understand that ATSTs don't need a nerf?

    And again.. Ufff.. If the problem was what you say i would not have problems to admit it. My problem is just what I explained in my points. At least I have points...

    You don't have points, you have deflections. Deflections you edited in to try and save face

    Yes yes, talking to you is like wasting time. think what you want. You had no arguments at all, you only proved that you are a hero hater and a person who believes he is in the minds of others

    The exact same thing can be said about you. If you think I've had no arguments then I guess you weren't reading anything I've been saying. Again don't need to be in your head, it's that obvious.

    its very funny to call me of all people a "hero hater" also I guess you are just an AT ST hater.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    At this point, at least one video is needed here. from what you can see here it doesn't seem that the AT-STs are as fragile as someone wants us to believe.
    In the first part, the player completely DOMINATES the entire Yavin 4 map alone. Even preventing the entire enemy team from playing the goals.
    In the second part on Endor, in addition to making a massacre, he eliminates a Leia by chasing her very easily without the player being able to do ANYTHING. A vehicle
    A player in the comments says:
    '' ATST’s are ridicilously annoying on Crait. They aren't too op on Yavin 4 tho ''
    followed by ''64'' likes, so there are a lot of players who think that the AT-STs are too powerful.



    I could go on but this was to make the idea. So some exalted here who treated me like I was crazy just because i said that in my opinion AT-ST are a little too powerful should calm down. I have gained so much hatred from some in this thread. Unmotivated because I only expressed my sincere opinion. I don't consider the AT-ST to be super overpower, but they are in comparison to the other vehicles in the game.

    What i suggest is this:

    - Increase the stamina cost per shot of their main weapon so that it can overheat faster (in this way you need to shoot wisely)
    - Slow their run down a bit. In this way they can't cover huge parts of the map so fast and can't chase less powerful units so easy
    - Remove the no sense ''touch damage'' (that probably is not intentional). They can one shot all the units only touching them while they should kill them only trampling them.

    Anyone can go on a big killstreak with anything if the other team just lets them.

    But obvious what? i already said that i have no reasons to hide my real thoughts. I'm here to say what i think not the contrary. So stop to be a troll. I already spend a lot of words to explain what the problem is IMHO. If you don't understand there isn't a reason to lose time any further.

    No, your edits are attempts to save face, your real thoughts are that you want the AT-ST Nerfed because you lost a hero to one, you're attempting to try and hide that.

    Don't need to be in your head to see that, it is that obvious.

    My edits were for explain better the points after you said my English is bad. You have some problems my friend. Think what you want, as I said I don't need to justify things to you. You are wrong.

    You just so happen to edit in "this isn't about me dying to one" once someone calls you out on it.

    You don't need to justify anything, this thread is all about you losing your hero.

    Think what you want but you are wrong ATSTs don't need a nerf.

    If you think at-st are fine, ok, legit. For me they aren't. All the rest you say is the fantasy of your brain

    AT-STs being overpowered is a fantasy of your brain.

    Probably no, considering other players agreed

    More people in this thread disagree

    Legit. But others agreed. We can continue like this all the day

    So AT STs need a nerf because a few people agreed but when more people think they don't need a nerf they should still get a nerf?

    AT STs are fine and don't need a nerf.

    You are truly unreasonable, as are the friends you called to give you reason.
    No, the AT-STs don't need a nerf for the reasons you said. it is true, here it seems that most are against a nerf, this does not mean that I AND OTHERS who believe that they need a nerf cannot say our opinion. This is a forum, we are free to say what we think without a bunch of haters going against our thinking. is it clearer now maybe? It was enough that you politely said your opinion, but no, you insulted, attributed untrue thoughts to me and others etc. For you and the majority in this thread, the AT-STs are ok? Well, like I said 100 times it's legitimate. But it is equally legitimate that I and others (even in the minority) can have our say. One thing you haters did, you gave incredible visibility to this post. Well done ;-)

    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.
    Janina Gavankar/Iden Versio Fan
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  • Let it go. Dead thread.
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  • DarthCapa2
    3167 posts Member
    edited February 13
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    I'm not pretending to know what your intentions are, you are making it obvious.
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  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..
  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Again you are claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a hater or conspiring against you.

    You said your opinion and people are gonna challenge you on that opinion if you can't handle that then don't post on a discussion forum.

    No, but just you say.. you are making it obvious that SOME of these other players are your friends..
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Who’s insulting you? Yes, @Empire_TW is a friend of mine and one of the most knowledgeable about the game in terms of what it needs and doesn’t need.

    behold Empire, your friend has admitted it, while you said that none of them was your friend.
  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Again you are claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a hater or conspiring against you.

    You said your opinion and people are gonna challenge you on that opinion if you can't handle that then don't post on a discussion forum.

    No, but just you say.. you are making it obvious that SOME of these other players are your friends..

    Doesn't make them wrong about AT-STs.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Who’s insulting you? Yes, @Empire_TW is a friend of mine and one of the most knowledgeable about the game in terms of what it needs and doesn’t need.

    behold Empire, your friend has admitted it, while you said that none of them was your friend.

    Never said anything about who was and wasn't my friends.

    No, what makes you wrong is how you say things

    ''Never said anything about who was and wasn't my friends''

    but you said I thought there was a conspiracy, which is evident at this point. Not a conspiracy but a fury from you and your friends. Obviously I touched a sore spot.
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Again you are claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a hater or conspiring against you.

    You said your opinion and people are gonna challenge you on that opinion if you can't handle that then don't post on a discussion forum.

    No, but just you say.. you are making it obvious that SOME of these other players are your friends..

    Doesn't make them wrong about AT-STs.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Who’s insulting you? Yes, @Empire_TW is a friend of mine and one of the most knowledgeable about the game in terms of what it needs and doesn’t need.

    behold Empire, your friend has admitted it, while you said that none of them was your friend.

    Never said anything about who was and wasn't my friends.

    No, what makes you wrong is how you say things

    ''Never said anything about who was and wasn't my friends''

    but you said I thought there was a conspiracy, which is evident at this point. Not a conspiracy but a fury from you and your friends. Obviously I touched a sore spot.

    Saying you are objectively wrong about something that you are indeed objectively wrong about doesn't make me wrong. Saying that the ATST needs a nerf is so wrong that it has drawn in so many people to disagree that some of those who disagree happen to be friends with me, that's how unpopular your opinion is.

    "I touched a sore spot"
    Very ironic of you to say that considering all the lashing out you've done in this thread and how you seem to can't accept that the AT ST doesn't need a nerf.
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  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Again you are claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a hater or conspiring against you.

    You said your opinion and people are gonna challenge you on that opinion if you can't handle that then don't post on a discussion forum.

    No, but just you say.. you are making it obvious that SOME of these other players are your friends..

    Doesn't make them wrong about AT-STs.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Who’s insulting you? Yes, @Empire_TW is a friend of mine and one of the most knowledgeable about the game in terms of what it needs and doesn’t need.

    behold Empire, your friend has admitted it, while you said that none of them was your friend.

    Never said anything about who was and wasn't my friends.

    No, what makes you wrong is how you say things

    ''Never said anything about who was and wasn't my friends''

    but you said I thought there was a conspiracy, which is evident at this point. Not a conspiracy but a fury from you and your friends. Obviously I touched a sore spot.

    Saying you are objectively wrong about something that you are indeed objectively wrong about doesn't make me wrong. Saying that the ATST needs a nerf is so wrong that it has drawn in so many people to disagree that some of those who disagree happen to be friends with me, that's how unpopular your opinion is.

    "I touched a sore spot"
    Very ironic of you to say that considering all the lashing out you've done in this thread and how you seem to can't accept that the AT ST doesn't need a nerf.

    in truth it is you who have taken a fixation. I simply suggested SMALL nerf, nothing big. That a scandal of this kind arises for these little things seems absurd to me. It will be unpopular on this thread, but as I have shown with some videos, it is a fairly shared thought. There are also other threads on this forum.
    What I don't understand is why you are so opposed if instead you are for example to raise the costs of battlepoints. For example, it could be a good compromise for me. No nerf? ok, so that the cost is raised. Can we agree that an AT-ST is more powerful than other units such as enforcers and some heroes? If yes, then why do they have to cost so little?
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Again you are claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a hater or conspiring against you.

    You said your opinion and people are gonna challenge you on that opinion if you can't handle that then don't post on a discussion forum.

    No, but just you say.. you are making it obvious that SOME of these other players are your friends..

    Doesn't make them wrong about AT-STs.
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    The only unreasonable person here is you.

    Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable, and are just friends ganging up on you. Again you are the unreasonable one.

    This is a forum, a place of discussion when you are gonna say something wrong like the AT-STs needs a nerf simply because you lost your hero (editing in things to try to hide it won't help you) people will come in and tell you how wrong you are, rightfully so. When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.

    You say that saying AT STs are fine is an opinion yet you actually DM'ed me saying that I'm wrong.

    Yeah, the thread got visibility, people can click on it and see a discussion that confirms that AT-STs don't need a nerf and the people who want them nerfed are unreasonable hero players who lost their hero to one.

    ''Anyone who thinks they need a nerf is reasonable and should be listened to but anyone who says they don't need a nerf are haters, unreasonable''

    I did not say this. you keep putting things in my mouth that I don't say and pretending to know why I wrote this thread. Here comes your arrogance.

    ''When you are objectively wrong about something, telling you that you are wrong isn't insulting.''

    Who are you to say i'm wrong on this argument? I say my opinion. In my opinion, AT-STs need a small nerf. Do you think not? ok, but you don't have the absolute truth. Instead there is one thing you are definitely wrong about. In continuing to pretend to know what my intentions are.
    Indeed, letting me know that they don't need a nerf is not an insult, and in fact I am not referring to this but to everything else. Especially how you insist on attributing untrue things to me.
    tankertoad wrote: »
    Let it go. Dead thread.

    More people disagree with you than agree. The ATST does not need a nerf. Time to move along. Oh, and stay out of peoples DM’s over this :D Take the L.

    Yeah another friend arrive :D

    As i said. It is not a question of majority or minority. When I said that others agree with me it is because I replied that I am not the only one thinking about certain things. And in any case, can we be free to express our opinion? Here in this specific thread we are in the minority, elsewhere who knows. But the point is: several people here haven't done well. I am free to express my thoughts without a bunch of haters making up nonsense or insults..

    Who’s insulting you? Yes, @Empire_TW is a friend of mine and one of the most knowledgeable about the game in terms of what it needs and doesn’t need.

    behold Empire, your friend has admitted it, while you said that none of them was your friend.

    Never said anything about who was and wasn't my friends.

    No, what makes you wrong is how you say things

    ''Never said anything about who was and wasn't my friends''

    but you said I thought there was a conspiracy, which is evident at this point. Not a conspiracy but a fury from you and your friends. Obviously I touched a sore spot.

    Saying you are objectively wrong about something that you are indeed objectively wrong about doesn't make me wrong. Saying that the ATST needs a nerf is so wrong that it has drawn in so many people to disagree that some of those who disagree happen to be friends with me, that's how unpopular your opinion is.

    "I touched a sore spot"
    Very ironic of you to say that considering all the lashing out you've done in this thread and how you seem to can't accept that the AT ST doesn't need a nerf.

    in truth it is you who have taken a fixation. I simply suggested SMALL nerf, nothing big. That a scandal of this kind arises for these little things seems absurd to me. It will be unpopular on this thread, but as I have shown with some videos, it is a fairly shared thought. There are also other threads on this forum.
    What I don't understand is why you are so opposed if instead you are for example to raise the costs of battlepoints. For example, it could be a good compromise for me. No nerf? ok, so that the cost is raised. Can we agree that an AT-ST is more powerful than other units such as enforcers and some heroes? If yes, then why do they have to cost so little?

    Again me saying you are wrong doesn't mean I'm fixated, it's just me saying you are wrong and I'm replying to your "counterpoints". Again if you can't handle a discussion don't post on a discussion forum.

    You are also being hypocritical again, people who think AT-STs need a nerf are just haters and "my friends" while people who agree with you have validity and should have their views taken into account simply for agreeing with you. I'm opposed to an ATST nerf because they don't need to be nerfed.

    No ATST's overall aren't better than heroes, 1 specialist on Crait can farm multiple AT-STs by themselves, Leia who is the worst hero in the game farms those who can farm ATSTs. Reinforcements are also big game changers on many GA maps while the ATSTs can be completely shut down if literally 2 or 3 people dedicate their time to it.

    Raising BP cost isn't a nerf and isn't what you were suggesting but I'm sure you'll edit that into the original post too.
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  • GenxDarchi
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    edited February 13
    in truth it is you who have taken a fixation. I simply suggested SMALL nerf, nothing big.
    Doesn’t need a nerf at all, either the team deals with it or they don’t, all that happens past that’s is on the players.
    That a scandal of this kind arises for these little things seems absurd to me. It will be unpopular on this thread, but as I have shown with some videos, it is a fairly shared thought. There are also other threads on this forum.
    So a video from two years ago and threads from years past are proof that it’s a commonly shared thought two years ago. Times change, and people learned that they are easily countered.
    What I don't understand is why you are so opposed if instead you are for example to raise the costs of battlepoints. For example, it could be a good compromise for me. No nerf? ok, so that the cost is raised. Can we agree that an AT-ST is more powerful than other units such as enforcers and some heroes? If yes, then why do they have to cost so little?

    I don’t think they’re opposed to it, as long as everything else rises in costs as well. Heroes going to 6 or 8k, Enforcers to 3k, Vehicles to 4K. Problem is DICE doesn’t want to raise prices of heroes, and there’s no justifying a hero costing less than a tank.
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  • Is this really still going on? Anything constructive has already been said and now it’s just a fight between people who want this game to continue to be hero focused like it has been and those who want the old battlefront back that has always been trooper focused like battlefield which it was modeled after. No one is happy because their version of the game they want doesn’t exist In either camp. Arguing here about vehicles won’t fix that.
  • Alwe15
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    This thread is going round in more circles than General Grievous' bugged out thrust.

    @EA_Rtas or @EA_Tom could you do the honours?
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