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Heroes vs Villains should be 8v8. Thoughts?

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Aside from the imbalance between the Light and Dark Side factions, like the new strategy of button mashing with lightsabers or failing to take out this new super sonic, speedster that of Boba Fett, or anything else in that matter.

The problem is the quitters in my experience. The quitters, on either side, had ruined the game mode for me long before 1.2 came out. 4v4 right now can sometimes be nearly unplayable, thus unenjoyable, and its the penalty for dominating and outplaying mostly. I feel like removing locked out heroes and making HvV 8v8 would lessen the impact of quitters drastically.

What do you guys think?
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  • Clone201 wrote: »
    Aside from the imbalance between the Light and Dark Side factions, like the new strategy of button mashing with lightsabers or failing to take out this new super sonic, speedster that of Boba Fett, or anything else in that matter.

    The problem is the quitters in my experience. The quitters, on either side, had ruined the game mode for me long before 1.2 came out. 4v4 right now can sometimes be nearly unplayable, thus unenjoyable, and its the penalty for dominating and outplaying mostly. I feel like removing locked out heroes and making HvV 8v8 would lessen the impact of quitters drastically.

    What do you guys think?

    I think 8v8 would just mean quitting would be worse. A lot of people party up and play so when people rage quit the remainder will be outnumbered by even greater numbers and they’ll be more likely to quit. So I think you’ll see more “wins” by the entire other team leaving.
  • I see lots of people talk about this and I guess don't really think about that it's a pain now on the 4v4 when teammates rage quit.. well just imagine 8v8 and being on the team where 5 of the 8 rage quit and then it's a 8v3 getting stomped on. Not trying to be a **** about it but that's just my opinion on the subject.
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  • I think it should be 6v6 and have the rules of the previous game minus infantry
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  • Anoh
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    Maybe not 8 but 5v5 or 6v6, and only when the stun lock mess is cleaned up
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  • Clone201 wrote: »
    Aside from the imbalance between the Light and Dark Side factions, like the new strategy of button mashing with lightsabers or failing to take out this new super sonic, speedster that of Boba Fett, or anything else in that matter.

    The problem is the quitters in my experience. The quitters, on either side, had ruined the game mode for me long before 1.2 came out. 4v4 right now can sometimes be nearly unplayable, thus unenjoyable, and its the penalty for dominating and outplaying mostly. I feel like removing locked out heroes and making HvV 8v8 would lessen the impact of quitters drastically.

    What do you guys think?

    I think 8v8 would just mean quitting would be worse. A lot of people party up and play so when people rage quit the remainder will be outnumbered by even greater numbers and they’ll be more likely to quit. So I think you’ll see more “wins” by the entire other team leaving.

    How about we set a rule to where only 4 players in a party are allowed to contend in any HvV match, so the randoms can fill up the rest of the slots. A similar strategy was done before in Halo 5: Guardians where only a 6-man party would be allowed in a Warzone team of 12. No more than 6. This was done to ease up stomp fests a bit.

    I still thought this was a good idea aside from quitting in general.
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Not with the current spam and stunfest but if/when everything is smoothed out, it may be an interesting idea for a Hero Blast

    Heroes vs Villains will eventually be balanced.

    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • 6v6 would be awesome, it would definitely stop the stomp fests. It wouldn't have to be hero hunt which would make it even better.

    8v8 is too much considering there are 8 heroes on each side and not everyone has them all unlocked. Or maybe make a requirement they do have them all unlocked to play.

    It would also help if there was a draft procedure similar to something like Heroes of the Storm which people would take turns drafting one at a time so that people would have a better chance getting a hero they want.
  • chims wrote: »

    8v8 is too much considering there are 8 heroes on each side and not everyone has them all unlocked. Or maybe make a requirement they do have them all unlocked to play.

    I did say remove the locked out heroes / villains prior to this.

    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • Clone201 wrote: »
    Clone201 wrote: »
    Aside from the imbalance between the Light and Dark Side factions, like the new strategy of button mashing with lightsabers or failing to take out this new super sonic, speedster that of Boba Fett, or anything else in that matter.

    The problem is the quitters in my experience. The quitters, on either side, had ruined the game mode for me long before 1.2 came out. 4v4 right now can sometimes be nearly unplayable, thus unenjoyable, and its the penalty for dominating and outplaying mostly. I feel like removing locked out heroes and making HvV 8v8 would lessen the impact of quitters drastically.

    What do you guys think?

    I think 8v8 would just mean quitting would be worse. A lot of people party up and play so when people rage quit the remainder will be outnumbered by even greater numbers and they’ll be more likely to quit. So I think you’ll see more “wins” by the entire other team leaving.

    How about we set a rule to where only 4 players in a party are allowed to contend in any HvV match, so the randoms can fill up the rest of the slots. A similar strategy was done before in Halo 5: Guardians where only a 6-man party would be allowed in a Warzone team of 12. No more than 6. This was done to ease up stomp fests a bit.

    I still thought this was a good idea aside from quitting in general.
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Not with the current spam and stunfest but if/when everything is smoothed out, it may be an interesting idea for a Hero Blast

    Heroes vs Villains will eventually be balanced.

    I sincerely hope so. I also hope it isn’t doesnt require a waiting period of a month
  • TritonPlz
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    edited February 2018
    It could be the server I am on, but it’s hard to get a 4v4 game of HvV right now.

    Here’s the scenario I experience now:

    *Finds game after 10-15 seconds (not bad) > Checks previous scoreboard > My lone teammate had 5 eliminations or less > Entire enemy team stayed in lobby and their top guy had 20+ eliminations and their lowest guy had at least 12 > Notices I am on the light side > Game finally starts after people come in and then bail when they notice scoreboard from prior game > Someone bails upon first death > We lose badly*

    That would just be worse in 8v8, especially because there are 1-2 characters on each side that no one wants to be.
  • chims wrote: »
    6v6 would be awesome, it would definitely stop the stomp fests. It wouldn't have to be hero hunt which would make it even better.

    8v8 is too much considering there are 8 heroes on each side and not everyone has them all unlocked. Or maybe make a requirement they do have them all unlocked to play.

    It would also help if there was a draft procedure similar to something like Heroes of the Storm which people would take turns drafting one at a time so that people would have a better chance getting a hero they want.

    Yes drafting is great idea. Many times i can't pick a hero i want because others picked it before me. 8v8 is too much yeah but i think 5v5 would be ideal.
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  • Not sure just upping player count would make a significant difference, though 7v8 is more balanced than 3v4.
    Some things that might help. If a player is afk stop auto puting them in game. force a button push on death to respawn.
    If one team drops a player then the other team has a player observe and comes in on his team mates death and then his team mate observes.
    And yeah, I like the idea of only 2 in a party on the same team. If you want to take 3to 4 into HAVE then 1 or 2 end up on opposite sides, that could be fun to compete against friends instead of always playing with them.
    I am sure there are more ideas. I have stopped playing it because I am sick people dropping out mid game as well.
  • It needs to be back like the first game, the way it is now isn't working.
  • It would be good, but only if the stun is fixed for lightsabers. Also the abilities are better.
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  • I think it should be 6v6 and have the rules of the previous game minus infantry
    Might be a bit too “hardcore” for this game not being able to respawn.
  • Devlin21
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    Maybe when we get grievous and obiwan, it'll be 5 v 5
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  • Clone201
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    Come on, man. You had to revive this old thread of mine. Should of ''nerfed it into the ground''.
    Maybe when we get grievous and obiwan, it'll be 5 v 5

    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • Devlin21
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    Clone201 wrote: »
    Come on, man. You had to revive this old thread of mine. Should of ''nerfed it into the ground''.
    Maybe when we get grievous and obiwan, it'll be 5 v 5

    Buff the dark part and nerf the light part of it.
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  • we just need a new HvV mode that as more players maybe hero hunt or HCTF
  • JAREDUP
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    edited March 2018
    Honestly we could use another teammate or two because it seems whenever you die you have to sprint the whole map, but it's too late because your incompetent teammates die, always, or when you're target and they all die so you're done for
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  • Devlin21
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    Hero blast would be so much better.
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  • Palpa
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    I agree that Hero blast should have the rules like BF1 where if the hero dies, they're dead. That way you have your HvV where you can keep coming back, and then you have the strategic HvV= Hero Blast. Where it could come down to one on two or so, it could be fun.

    I also think that in that case where it comes down to 2v1 or even 3/4v1 there should be some traps or something you can exploit to try to win the match.
  • I would like if they reintroduced Hero Blast & made it 8v8.

    But before they do that, ALL of the heroes need to be not garbage anymore. Like Phasma or Luke.

    After all of the heroes have been looked at & put into a playable state. Then we can start looking at other hero mode ideas.
    Nobody wants to be the trash hero in HvV, so they'll despise it even more if everyone else is picked & they can't choose a better hero.
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  • It should be like the original BF2. No targets.
  • Devlin21
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    Elusive_DJ wrote: »
    I would like if they reintroduced Hero Blast & made it 8v8.

    But before they do that, ALL of the heroes need to be not garbage anymore. Like Phasma or Luke.

    After all of the heroes have been looked at & put into a playable state. Then we can start looking at other hero mode ideas.
    Nobody wants to be the trash hero in HvV, so they'll despise it even more if everyone else is picked & they can't choose a better hero.

    Make it hero blast from the old battlefront 2
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  • I think it would lessen the impact of quitters.

    I don't believe the assertion made above that most people play the game as a party.
  • As long as the stupid target-for-points system vanishes, I say this would only benefit the mode now that everything is unlocked.
  • Right, right, qwnp (upisde down) is not allowed here -_-
  • Elusive_DJ wrote: »
    I would like if they reintroduced Hero Blast & made it 8v8.

    But before they do that, ALL of the heroes need to be not garbage anymore. Like Phasma or Luke.

    After all of the heroes have been looked at & put into a playable state. Then we can start looking at other hero mode ideas.
    Nobody wants to be the trash hero in HvV, so they'll despise it even more if everyone else is picked & they can't choose a better hero.

    Make it hero blast from the old battlefront 2

    That's exactly what hero blast from Battlefront 2015 was.
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  • Elusive_DJ wrote: »
    Elusive_DJ wrote: »
    I would like if they reintroduced Hero Blast & made it 8v8.

    But before they do that, ALL of the heroes need to be not garbage anymore. Like Phasma or Luke.

    After all of the heroes have been looked at & put into a playable state. Then we can start looking at other hero mode ideas.
    Nobody wants to be the trash hero in HvV, so they'll despise it even more if everyone else is picked & they can't choose a better hero.

    Make it hero blast from the old battlefront 2

    That's exactly what hero blast from Battlefront 2015 was.

    There was no hero blast from 2015's. It was just 3 heroes and 5 soldiers and you HAD to kill the heroes. This time was better because it's all heroes, but it still has the awful target objective and not "just go crazy and end everything in your way" like the original Battlefront 2
  • A 5vs5 could work once the saber stutter, no-block bug and stuns are fixed.
  • I would like to try 8 v 8
  • 8 v 8 no target
  • You can't fix HvV until you actually fix the heroes and villians themselves. Then we'll talk.
  • Elusive_DJ wrote: »
    Elusive_DJ wrote: »
    I would like if they reintroduced Hero Blast & made it 8v8.

    But before they do that, ALL of the heroes need to be not garbage anymore. Like Phasma or Luke.

    After all of the heroes have been looked at & put into a playable state. Then we can start looking at other hero mode ideas.
    Nobody wants to be the trash hero in HvV, so they'll despise it even more if everyone else is picked & they can't choose a better hero.

    Make it hero blast from the old battlefront 2

    That's exactly what hero blast from Battlefront 2015 was.

    There was no hero blast from 2015's. It was just 3 heroes and 5 soldiers and you HAD to kill the heroes. This time was better because it's all heroes, but it still has the awful target objective and not "just go crazy and end everything in your way" like the original Battlefront 2

    I actually meant the leaked hero blast mod for Battlefront 2015. It isn't playable right now, but it was in a mod one time. It was absolutely glorious & I wish they finished it before moving onto BF2.

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  • Devlin21
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    I wish they would remove the target system, its good in theory but not executed well.
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  • TerramineLightvoid
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    edited December 2018
    Lolwat? Bro... Boba running away is pretty much Cheating by definition. Nevermind that it's also Cowardly. Like I don't know how you define someone who plays a character with the deliberate intent right when they select the character to run and weasel their way out of situations to get a massive unfair advantage, anything other than Cowardly. Which is exactly 100% all Boba Fett and Emperor Palpatine are.
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  • Revert all hero nerfs for HvV and let's have some fun
  • Lolwat? Bro... Boba running away is pretty much Cheating by definition. Nevermind that it's also Cowardly. Like I don't know how you define someone who plays a character with the deliberate intent right when they select the character to run and weasel their way out of situations to get a massive unfair advantage, anything other than Cowardly. Which is exactly 100% all Boba Fett and Emperor Palpatine are.

    Say that to me when I stomp with those characters and not a single runaway in sight
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  • Axone
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    edited December 2018
    5 vs 5 after they fix bug and after the release of Anakin and count Dooku.
  • Clone201 wrote: »
    Aside from the imbalance between the Light and Dark Side factions, like the new strategy of button mashing with lightsabers or failing to take out this new super sonic, speedster that of Boba Fett, or anything else in that matter.

    The problem is the quitters in my experience. The quitters, on either side, had ruined the game mode for me long before 1.2 came out. 4v4 right now can sometimes be nearly unplayable, thus unenjoyable, and its the penalty for dominating and outplaying mostly. I feel like removing locked out heroes and making HvV 8v8 would lessen the impact of quitters drastically.

    What do you guys think?

    No. would take much longer to find players to start a game.
  • Clone201 wrote: »
    Aside from the imbalance between the Light and Dark Side factions, like the new strategy of button mashing with lightsabers or failing to take out this new super sonic, speedster that of Boba Fett, or anything else in that matter.

    The problem is the quitters in my experience. The quitters, on either side, had ruined the game mode for me long before 1.2 came out. 4v4 right now can sometimes be nearly unplayable, thus unenjoyable, and its the penalty for dominating and outplaying mostly. I feel like removing locked out heroes and making HvV 8v8 would lessen the impact of quitters drastically.

    What do you guys think?

    I don't know honestly, right now a good HvV match to me feels like a game of street basketball. It has a tight rushing feeling to it. But with the way they like to have stuff on the weekends, maybe they should try that out in the future.

    Now what could you call that?...oh I got it

    HERO MAX! (all available hero's simultaneously in HvV)

    Or just call it Hero Blast.
  • there could be a player base issue.

    it's already very difficult to start 4v4 sometimes
  • No.

    There’d be too much 1 V 5+
  • hsf_
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    edited December 2018
    I think it should be 5vs5 in all honesty. But it would be pretty cool to have a weekend event where it's 10vs10(We'll have 10 heroes per side after Anakin, right?) after the final hero release of the clonewars, that would be pretty fun. But only for a weekend event!
  • Once Anakin and Dooku come out, I think it should be 5v5. That would still leave people with plenty of choices.
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  • H V v needs bigger teams .. 6 v 6 sounds like a good starting point
  • have 8 v 8 HvV as a Weekend Event perhaps
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