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ArchAngeL_777
1720 posts Member
edited May 2018
I am talking about legitimate DLC packs that we are used to from EA DICE. For instance, if EA announced they would be releasing Clone Wars DLC Pack 1 in September with the following content:

General Grievous
Obi-Wan
Conquest or Supremacy mode added to the game for all planets
New planet Utapau with maps for all modes.
New planet Coruscant with maps for all modes.
New planet Felucia with maps for all modes.

Then they said the pack would be $14.99. Would you be willing to buy it?

My vote would be YES.

The free DLC promise went out the window with the loot crate revenue. There is no current revenue stream for the game. So I see no reason why we can't revert back to the DLC pack sales model of old. The pack sales would cover development cost.

If it does well enough, maybe they could line up packs through 2019 and sell a Season Pass. They could give us a couple more Clone Wars packs, a legacy pack from the 2015 game, a pack from Star Wars Rebels, maybe a pack from the new Resistance cartoon, and then a pack for Episode 9 after the movie comes out.

EDIT: when I say "maps for all modes", I mean BOTH large game modes and small game modes get new maps with each planet added. No leaving out large game modes like in the 2015 DLC packs. Starfighter Assault would get a new map where it makes sense for the planet, like Coruscant would obviously be perfect with the opening of Revenge of the Sith.
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  • WhiteMaceWindu69
    508 posts Member
    edited May 2018
    It would have to be prequel/Clone Wars ( for me to buy )
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  • It would have to be prequel/Clone Wars ( for me to buy )

    Yeah they would definitely have to lead off with Clone Wars. The Solo content would serve as our "Free DLC".
  • EvazanJr wrote: »
    Of course I’d pay for dlc but I’m in love with a free dlc system.

    As it turned out it wasn't really free. Sure you weren't required to pay for it, but the loot crates were going to finance it. Otherwise, we would just get small updates like this Solo announcement.
  • Content.

    It's Star Wars so I don't care if it's clone or original or Thrawn or even Emo.

    If they said they were making a new DLC with at least 4 new maps, 4 new heroes, new weapons and at least 1 new not rehashed game mode (could dig some conquest) then the normal £19.99 wouldn't bother me. Potentially you could be talking months of playing until the next DLC.

    That said, it cannot be any ole stuff and just because it has all of the above, doesn't mean it will be good, however, nearly every DLC i've bought for every BF game, has had something worth it be it one new class or a new map and rarely has a DLC been completely poop..

    Those saying only clone wars, are you seriously saying if they brought out a fully fleshed out DLC with say Rebel heroes with some great maps and weapons and skills, you would say no? I'd question why you are still here and playing because for this game, any fully fleshed out content would bring people back in their droves. Me included :wink:
  • Yes I would pay for new content, but I'd have to know what it is in advance at this point.
  • Psy3d
    680 posts Member
    For characters...YES. Never for cosmetics. If I ever see count Dooku as a official character...I have no reason to play anything else online.
  • Content.

    It's Star Wars so I don't care if it's clone or original or Thrawn or even Emo.

    If they said they were making a new DLC with at least 4 new maps, 4 new heroes, new weapons and at least 1 new not rehashed game mode (could dig some conquest) then the normal £19.99 wouldn't bother me. Potentially you could be talking months of playing until the next DLC.

    That said, it cannot be any ole stuff and just because it has all of the above, doesn't mean it will be good, however, nearly every DLC i've bought for every BF game, has had something worth it be it one new class or a new map and rarely has a DLC been completely poop..

    Those saying only clone wars, are you seriously saying if they brought out a fully fleshed out DLC with say Rebel heroes with some great maps and weapons and skills, you would say no? I'd question why you are still here and playing because for this game, any fully fleshed out content would bring people back in their droves. Me included :wink:

    Yeah Clone Wars is the popular request at the moment, so I think it would be good to start there. But Rebels has a lot of great content. I could see the second DLC pack being Star Wars Rebels DLC Pack 1:
    • Ezra Bridger
    • Grand Admiral Thrawn
    • New game mode
    • New planet Lothal with maps for all modes
    • New planet Atollon with maps for all modes

    Depending on what they do with Clone Wars, Ahsoka Tano and Mandalore could be in another Rebels pack. Other heroes could include Sabine Wren with Darksaber, Kanan Jarrus, Grand Inquisitor, Rukh, Seventh Sister.
  • Rook008
    838 posts Member
    If there was Starfighter Assault content (maps in particular) in the pack, and I thought the price was reasonable for the amount of content, I'd buy.
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  • Psy3d wrote: »
    For characters...YES. Never for cosmetics. If I ever see count Dooku as a official character...I have no reason to play anything else online.

    Yeah cosmetics would not be included. Those would be separate releases for the crystals or credits. So basically, it would be a secondary revenue stream.

    Between the two, that should sustain substantial DLC content.
  • Content.

    It's Star Wars so I don't care if it's clone or original or Thrawn or even Emo.

    If they said they were making a new DLC with at least 4 new maps, 4 new heroes, new weapons and at least 1 new not rehashed game mode (could dig some conquest) then the normal £19.99 wouldn't bother me. Potentially you could be talking months of playing until the next DLC.

    That said, it cannot be any ole stuff and just because it has all of the above, doesn't mean it will be good, however, nearly every DLC i've bought for every BF game, has had something worth it be it one new class or a new map and rarely has a DLC been completely poop..

    Those saying only clone wars, are you seriously saying if they brought out a fully fleshed out DLC with say Rebel heroes with some great maps and weapons and skills, you would say no? I'd question why you are still here and playing because for this game, any fully fleshed out content would bring people back in their droves. Me included :wink:

    Yeah Clone Wars is the popular request at the moment, so I think it would be good to start there. But Rebels has a lot of great content. I could see the second DLC pack being Star Wars Rebels DLC Pack 1:
    • Ezra Bridger
    • Grand Admiral Thrawn
    • New game mode
    • New planet Lothal with maps for all modes
    • New planet Atollon with maps for all modes

    Depending on what they do with Clone Wars, Ahsoka Tano and Mandalore could be in another Rebels pack. Other heroes could include Sabine Wren with Darksaber, Kanan Jarrus, Grand Inquisitor, Rukh, Seventh Sister.

    I hear you mate, but the problem is that these forums and Reddit and any other social media site are still a minority of a minorty, so just because clone wars is the thing most people on here want, doesn't mean that is what people who play this game want.

    I think you would find most players of the game don't give a monkeys on the era, they just want big content.

    Yes I agree, everyone has their favourite era or toon, but most just want to play Star Wars in all it's guises.

    Clone Wars DLC won't be the thing that would bring back the masses, any Star Wars DLC will.

    Put it this way, if Solo season had said it was 4 new heroes, 4 new maps, new weapons and a new mode (not rehashed stuff), do you think people would be thinking meh? Yes, the blinkered clone wars people would (blinkered in that's all you want to satisfy YOU), yet most people who bought this game would think yes, new content and just want new fun content to play with.
  • Mystical
    269 posts Member
    If it means I get new planets, Padme, large offline battle mode, and more trooper skins then yes. I mention Padme specifically because it sounds like Obi-Wan is eventually coming, Padme is like the next big Hero for the light side in the Prequels still missing.
  • Batman20
    1755 posts Member
    edited May 2018
    If we got a huge clone wars season with 4heroes yes I would Buy it instantly without even thinking about it
  • For me it would depend on the amount of content included in the DLC.

    I'm a fan of all Star Wars, so if it's a solid DLC, then yeah, I'd most likely buy it.


    KC
  • Shinjuku
    1760 posts Member
    edited May 2018
    Would you be willing to pay for DLC packs at this point?

    Awh heck nawl.
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  • Content.

    It's Star Wars so I don't care if it's clone or original or Thrawn or even Emo.

    If they said they were making a new DLC with at least 4 new maps, 4 new heroes, new weapons and at least 1 new not rehashed game mode (could dig some conquest) then the normal £19.99 wouldn't bother me. Potentially you could be talking months of playing until the next DLC.

    That said, it cannot be any ole stuff and just because it has all of the above, doesn't mean it will be good, however, nearly every DLC i've bought for every BF game, has had something worth it be it one new class or a new map and rarely has a DLC been completely poop..

    Those saying only clone wars, are you seriously saying if they brought out a fully fleshed out DLC with say Rebel heroes with some great maps and weapons and skills, you would say no? I'd question why you are still here and playing because for this game, any fully fleshed out content would bring people back in their droves. Me included :wink:

    Yeah Clone Wars is the popular request at the moment, so I think it would be good to start there. But Rebels has a lot of great content. I could see the second DLC pack being Star Wars Rebels DLC Pack 1:
    • Ezra Bridger
    • Grand Admiral Thrawn
    • New game mode
    • New planet Lothal with maps for all modes
    • New planet Atollon with maps for all modes

    Depending on what they do with Clone Wars, Ahsoka Tano and Mandalore could be in another Rebels pack. Other heroes could include Sabine Wren with Darksaber, Kanan Jarrus, Grand Inquisitor, Rukh, Seventh Sister.

    I hear you mate, but the problem is that these forums and Reddit and any other social media site are still a minority of a minorty, so just because clone wars is the thing most people on here want, doesn't mean that is what people who play this game want.

    I think you would find most players of the game don't give a monkeys on the era, they just want big content.

    Yes I agree, everyone has their favourite era or toon, but most just want to play Star Wars in all it's guises.

    Clone Wars DLC won't be the thing that would bring back the masses, any Star Wars DLC will.

    Put it this way, if Solo season had said it was 4 new heroes, 4 new maps, new weapons and a new mode (not rehashed stuff), do you think people would be thinking meh? Yes, the blinkered clone wars people would (blinkered in that's all you want to satisfy YOU), yet most people who bought this game would think yes, new content and just want new fun content to play with.

    I think you are underestimating how popular Clone Wars is even outside the circle of those that play this game. The crowd at Star Wars Celebration erupted when the Season 2 Rebels trailer revealed Captain Rex returning. Ahsoka Tano is a hugely popular character.

    But for this game specifically, Clone Wars represents by far the largest amount of potential content for this game. There's nothing more to add from the Original Trilogy or even Sequel Trilogy at this point. We've already had one game full of Original Trilogy content, plus Rogue One DLC. The Prequel Trilogy movies alone include far more locations, heroes, skins, etc. When you add in the Clone Wars TV show, it's not even remotely a contest.

    Star Wars Rebels is the only other option which could also bring fresh content as mentioned. Maybe the Star Wars Resistance cartoon will give something to go on too. I really don't think Solo is going to have enough to give us more than maybe 2 locations, some skins, and a couple new heroes.
  • tankertoad
    5967 posts Member
    I came here to say heck no. There's no way I'm giving them money whatsoever.

    But then I read the content that you listed out and I'd pay $100 usd for that.
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  • hsf_
    1817 posts Member
    Nope, they made their bed, now they can lay in it.
    They've already had my money, the content was promised to be free, I expect them to fully honour that.
  • tankertoad

    But then I read the content that you listed out and I'd pay $100 usd for that.

    Exactly! With the right content a DLC will do very well.


    KC
  • tankertoad
    5967 posts Member
    Yes I would pay for new content, but I'd have to know what it is in advance at this point.

    That should be a banner ad on this website.
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  • tankertoad wrote: »
    I came here to say heck no. There's no way I'm giving them money whatsoever.

    But then I read the content that you listed out and I'd pay $100 usd for that.

    For the Season pass suggestion? Yeah I'd pay for that too. And when they add a planet with new maps, I mean maps supporting ALL game modes. Not just small maps like the 2015 DLC packs. BOTH large game modes and small game modes will get new maps per planet. Starfighter Assault would get a new map where it made sense for the planet.
  • Content.

    It's Star Wars so I don't care if it's clone or original or Thrawn or even Emo.

    If they said they were making a new DLC with at least 4 new maps, 4 new heroes, new weapons and at least 1 new not rehashed game mode (could dig some conquest) then the normal £19.99 wouldn't bother me. Potentially you could be talking months of playing until the next DLC.

    That said, it cannot be any ole stuff and just because it has all of the above, doesn't mean it will be good, however, nearly every DLC i've bought for every BF game, has had something worth it be it one new class or a new map and rarely has a DLC been completely poop..

    Those saying only clone wars, are you seriously saying if they brought out a fully fleshed out DLC with say Rebel heroes with some great maps and weapons and skills, you would say no? I'd question why you are still here and playing because for this game, any fully fleshed out content would bring people back in their droves. Me included :wink:

    Yeah Clone Wars is the popular request at the moment, so I think it would be good to start there. But Rebels has a lot of great content. I could see the second DLC pack being Star Wars Rebels DLC Pack 1:
    • Ezra Bridger
    • Grand Admiral Thrawn
    • New game mode
    • New planet Lothal with maps for all modes
    • New planet Atollon with maps for all modes

    Depending on what they do with Clone Wars, Ahsoka Tano and Mandalore could be in another Rebels pack. Other heroes could include Sabine Wren with Darksaber, Kanan Jarrus, Grand Inquisitor, Rukh, Seventh Sister.

    I hear you mate, but the problem is that these forums and Reddit and any other social media site are still a minority of a minorty, so just because clone wars is the thing most people on here want, doesn't mean that is what people who play this game want.

    I think you would find most players of the game don't give a monkeys on the era, they just want big content.

    Yes I agree, everyone has their favourite era or toon, but most just want to play Star Wars in all it's guises.

    Clone Wars DLC won't be the thing that would bring back the masses, any Star Wars DLC will.

    Put it this way, if Solo season had said it was 4 new heroes, 4 new maps, new weapons and a new mode (not rehashed stuff), do you think people would be thinking meh? Yes, the blinkered clone wars people would (blinkered in that's all you want to satisfy YOU), yet most people who bought this game would think yes, new content and just want new fun content to play with.

    I think you are underestimating how popular Clone Wars is even outside the circle of those that play this game. The crowd at Star Wars Celebration erupted when the Season 2 Rebels trailer revealed Captain Rex returning. Ahsoka Tano is a hugely popular character.

    But for this game specifically, Clone Wars represents by far the largest amount of potential content for this game. There's nothing more to add from the Original Trilogy or even Sequel Trilogy at this point. We've already had one game full of Original Trilogy content, plus Rogue One DLC. The Prequel Trilogy movies alone include far more locations, heroes, skins, etc. When you add in the Clone Wars TV show, it's not even remotely a contest.

    Star Wars Rebels is the only other option which could also bring fresh content as mentioned. Maybe the Star Wars Resistance cartoon will give something to go on too. I really don't think Solo is going to have enough to give us more than maybe 2 locations, some skins, and a couple new heroes.

    I'm not underestimating how popular the clone wars is, but I think you're overestimating it's importance.

    I went to the UK SW celebration and it was still the original era that got most of the people excited and the merch ( hate they word) was still mostly original stuff.

    What I'm saying is that it's not clone wars that is what this game needs, it's any era content and if that's clone wars, great, but too many think it's clones or nothing.

    I think with the millions of copies sold, it would be foolish to think clones is what the majority want considering in reality, clones the movies are mocked and IMO rightly so.

    Except for Mace of course. Him and Fisto are the only good things out of the prequels :wink:
  • tankertoad
    5967 posts Member
    I think both of you make good discussion points.

    But what the game needs is just a massive amount of content.

    Along with the massive amount of bugs fixed.

    And freaking matchmaking autobalance team Shuffle
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  • Danxoln
    2473 posts Member
    Yes, but don't care either way
  • KazJim
    45 posts Member
    Nope, it creates a 'two-speed' system, where players are locked out of content unless they pay for it - players move to DLC, 'vanilla' maps die...

    I give you SWBF1 (2015) as evidence . . . .

  • Content.

    It's Star Wars so I don't care if it's clone or original or Thrawn or even Emo.

    If they said they were making a new DLC with at least 4 new maps, 4 new heroes, new weapons and at least 1 new not rehashed game mode (could dig some conquest) then the normal £19.99 wouldn't bother me. Potentially you could be talking months of playing until the next DLC.

    That said, it cannot be any ole stuff and just because it has all of the above, doesn't mean it will be good, however, nearly every DLC i've bought for every BF game, has had something worth it be it one new class or a new map and rarely has a DLC been completely poop..

    Those saying only clone wars, are you seriously saying if they brought out a fully fleshed out DLC with say Rebel heroes with some great maps and weapons and skills, you would say no? I'd question why you are still here and playing because for this game, any fully fleshed out content would bring people back in their droves. Me included :wink:

    Yeah Clone Wars is the popular request at the moment, so I think it would be good to start there. But Rebels has a lot of great content. I could see the second DLC pack being Star Wars Rebels DLC Pack 1:
    • Ezra Bridger
    • Grand Admiral Thrawn
    • New game mode
    • New planet Lothal with maps for all modes
    • New planet Atollon with maps for all modes

    Depending on what they do with Clone Wars, Ahsoka Tano and Mandalore could be in another Rebels pack. Other heroes could include Sabine Wren with Darksaber, Kanan Jarrus, Grand Inquisitor, Rukh, Seventh Sister.

    I hear you mate, but the problem is that these forums and Reddit and any other social media site are still a minority of a minorty, so just because clone wars is the thing most people on here want, doesn't mean that is what people who play this game want.

    I think you would find most players of the game don't give a monkeys on the era, they just want big content.

    Yes I agree, everyone has their favourite era or toon, but most just want to play Star Wars in all it's guises.

    Clone Wars DLC won't be the thing that would bring back the masses, any Star Wars DLC will.

    Put it this way, if Solo season had said it was 4 new heroes, 4 new maps, new weapons and a new mode (not rehashed stuff), do you think people would be thinking meh? Yes, the blinkered clone wars people would (blinkered in that's all you want to satisfy YOU), yet most people who bought this game would think yes, new content and just want new fun content to play with.

    I think you are underestimating how popular Clone Wars is even outside the circle of those that play this game. The crowd at Star Wars Celebration erupted when the Season 2 Rebels trailer revealed Captain Rex returning. Ahsoka Tano is a hugely popular character.

    But for this game specifically, Clone Wars represents by far the largest amount of potential content for this game. There's nothing more to add from the Original Trilogy or even Sequel Trilogy at this point. We've already had one game full of Original Trilogy content, plus Rogue One DLC. The Prequel Trilogy movies alone include far more locations, heroes, skins, etc. When you add in the Clone Wars TV show, it's not even remotely a contest.

    Star Wars Rebels is the only other option which could also bring fresh content as mentioned. Maybe the Star Wars Resistance cartoon will give something to go on too. I really don't think Solo is going to have enough to give us more than maybe 2 locations, some skins, and a couple new heroes.

    I'm not underestimating how popular the clone wars is, but I think you're overestimating it's importance.

    I went to the UK SW celebration and it was still the original era that got most of the people excited and the merch ( hate they word) was still mostly original stuff.

    What I'm saying is that it's not clone wars that is what this game needs, it's any era content and if that's clone wars, great, but too many think it's clones or nothing.

    I think with the millions of copies sold, it would be foolish to think clones is what the majority want considering in reality, clones the movies are mocked and IMO rightly so.

    Except for Mace of course. Him and Fisto are the only good things out of the prequels :wink:

    Sure Original Trilogy is the most popular trilogy. It will always be. But again, we are talking about content for the game that can bring people back. What are you going to add from the Original Trilogy that isn't already in the game? Another Endor forest map? Another Hoth map? Tatooine? We've seen all that in the 2015 game. We've got those planets already in this game. It would just be variations of the same content, maybe better or maybe worse. There aren't any heroes to add anyone cares about.

    If new content to play is what will bring people back, there's not a better place to get it than Clone Wars. That's why people are asking for it.
  • Landeaux2 wrote: »
    They promised us a live service game. We paid full price for that promise. If they can’t deliver on their current promise, why would I pay them more money for DLC? You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not in the business of giving people my money when they can’t deliver in the first place.

    As someone replied to me trying to be clever, technically they have given DLC and even if they release 1 skin a month, they're still fulfilling the agreement.

    Now most reasonable people know what a DLC model is and what types of content it should have, however as I mentioned above, smarty pants posters are saying we are getting content.

    So technically they are fulfilling they're promise, but if they said you still get free content, but you can pay for this other content, they're technically still doing what they promised but fudging it.

    Sorry, the "technically" bit is because some of the defenders like to use that term as a last grasp effort.

    Best scenario, all new maps and game modes are free, guns, heroes, skin's cost.

    That would also cover the "DLC splits the playerbase rubbish that people trott out.
  • tankertoad
    5967 posts Member
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    They promised us a live service game. We paid full price for that promise. If they can’t deliver on their current promise, why would I pay them more money for DLC? You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not in the business of giving people my money when they can’t deliver in the first place.

    We said the same thing on Battlefront 1 and then simultaneously said we're going to buy Battlefront 2 anyway.

    I feel that I got my money's worth out of the base game, in a sense. A lot of frustration. But I did play it for a few hundred.

    It's fascinating to me that Disney worries so much about their brand and their look. You just won the Super Bowl where you going I'm going to Disney World! But with video games they just don't give a ....

    I mean unless it's Angry Birds Star Wars or something.

    I'm not going to sit here and lie and say that I won't buy Battlefront 3 if there is a such thing, which I don't think there will be. But I also know that I'm going to be very disappointed.
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  • KazJim wrote: »
    Nope, it creates a 'two-speed' system, where players are locked out of content unless they pay for it - players move to DLC, 'vanilla' maps die...

    I give you SWBF1 (2015) as evidence . . . .

    SWBF1 messed up by putting the DLC in it's own playlist. EA DICE has been doing DLC packs and season passes since Battlefield 3. It's never been an issue until SWBF1.

    Call of Duty has been doing them since COD4 with no problems. Other games do them as well. It only splits the community when you have a game that only a small percentage of your player base are willing to buy the DLC. COD and Battlefield have never had that problem.
  • tankertoad

    I 100% agree with you, but here's my thoughts on it. How can they fix the current game issues if they don't have the resources to do it? It's a catch-22 for DICE.

    My overall opinion: DICE should put a DLC together with solid content to justify the price. With the revenue earned from it they can then use it to begin addressing some of the bugs, issues, and requests in a timely manner and patch the game as the additions/fixes are completed.

    Just an idea.


    KC
  • Landeaux2
    3138 posts Member
    They promised us better communication, more frequent updates, more frequent content drops, the community would be instrumental in the DLC we do get, etc.
    They’ve fell well short of all promises so far. We thought this game would be way better and correct the mistakes of the last game and it hasn’t.
    If they don’t get serious about righting the ship very soon then there will be on battlefront 3 for me
  • tankertoad

    I 100% agree with you, but here's my thoughts on it. How can they fix the current game issues if they don't have the resources to do it? It's a catch-22 for DICE.

    My overall opinion: DICE should put a DLC together with solid content to justify the price. With the revenue earned from it they can then use it to begin addressing some of the bugs, issues, and requests in a timely manner and patch the game as the additions/fixes are completed.

    Just an idea.


    KC

    Yeah that's my same motivation behind this thread. Get the revenue stream going so they can start churning out more bug fixes and more DLC packs.
  • Landeaux2
    3138 posts Member
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    They promised us a live service game. We paid full price for that promise. If they can’t deliver on their current promise, why would I pay them more money for DLC? You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not in the business of giving people my money when they can’t deliver in the first place.

    As someone replied to me trying to be clever, technically they have given DLC and even if they release 1 skin a month, they're still fulfilling the agreement.

    Now most reasonable people know what a DLC model is and what types of content it should have, however as I mentioned above, smarty pants posters are saying we are getting content.

    So technically they are fulfilling they're promise, but if they said you still get free content, but you can pay for this other content, they're technically still doing what they promised but fudging it.

    Sorry, the "technically" bit is because some of the defenders like to use that term as a last grasp effort.

    Best scenario, all new maps and game modes are free, guns, heroes, skin's cost.

    That would also cover the "DLC splits the playerbase rubbish that people trott out.

    And people giving them free passes for what we have received so far are the reason why we are in the current predicament.
  • tankertoad
    5967 posts Member
    tankertoad

    I 100% agree with you, but here's my thoughts on it. How can they fix the current game issues if they don't have the resources to do it? It's a catch-22 for DICE.

    My overall opinion: DICE should put a DLC together with solid content to justify the price. With the revenue earned from it they can then use it to begin addressing some of the bugs, issues, and requests in a timely manner and patch the game as the additions/fixes are completed.

    Just an idea.


    KC

    Nice exchange. Sincerely.

    I know for certain that 90% of the team has moved on to Battlefront 5. There's literally no way to "save" this game. Same thing happened in the last game but apparently they had developed a significant ly more content before they left to Battlefield 1.

    I personally think that this concept that the MTX was going to pay for content is grossly overstated. If it did extremely well they would have kept it going trying to push even more in MTX.

    That's what's missing in this discussion and debate. Successful MTX means more M TX.

    I know a lot of people have moved on from Star Wars Battlefront II and have no intention of coming back. At this point the juice is not worth the squeeze. Which really sucks.

    I just wanted freaking private servers to play with my clan.

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  • It's a good idea across the whole board but can DICE do it without EA breathing down their necks on how they have to do it. > <

    Take the leash off of DICE and let them do their thing. Nothing to lose and everything to gain. it's a win-win imho.


    KC
  • Content.

    It's Star Wars so I don't care if it's clone or original or Thrawn or even Emo.

    If they said they were making a new DLC with at least 4 new maps, 4 new heroes, new weapons and at least 1 new not rehashed game mode (could dig some conquest) then the normal £19.99 wouldn't bother me. Potentially you could be talking months of playing until the next DLC.

    That said, it cannot be any ole stuff and just because it has all of the above, doesn't mean it will be good, however, nearly every DLC i've bought for every BF game, has had something worth it be it one new class or a new map and rarely has a DLC been completely poop..

    Those saying only clone wars, are you seriously saying if they brought out a fully fleshed out DLC with say Rebel heroes with some great maps and weapons and skills, you would say no? I'd question why you are still here and playing because for this game, any fully fleshed out content would bring people back in their droves. Me included :wink:

    Yeah Clone Wars is the popular request at the moment, so I think it would be good to start there. But Rebels has a lot of great content. I could see the second DLC pack being Star Wars Rebels DLC Pack 1:
    • Ezra Bridger
    • Grand Admiral Thrawn
    • New game mode
    • New planet Lothal with maps for all modes
    • New planet Atollon with maps for all modes

    Depending on what they do with Clone Wars, Ahsoka Tano and Mandalore could be in another Rebels pack. Other heroes could include Sabine Wren with Darksaber, Kanan Jarrus, Grand Inquisitor, Rukh, Seventh Sister.

    I hear you mate, but the problem is that these forums and Reddit and any other social media site are still a minority of a minorty, so just because clone wars is the thing most people on here want, doesn't mean that is what people who play this game want.

    I think you would find most players of the game don't give a monkeys on the era, they just want big content.

    Yes I agree, everyone has their favourite era or toon, but most just want to play Star Wars in all it's guises.

    Clone Wars DLC won't be the thing that would bring back the masses, any Star Wars DLC will.

    Put it this way, if Solo season had said it was 4 new heroes, 4 new maps, new weapons and a new mode (not rehashed stuff), do you think people would be thinking meh? Yes, the blinkered clone wars people would (blinkered in that's all you want to satisfy YOU), yet most people who bought this game would think yes, new content and just want new fun content to play with.

    I think you are underestimating how popular Clone Wars is even outside the circle of those that play this game. The crowd at Star Wars Celebration erupted when the Season 2 Rebels trailer revealed Captain Rex returning. Ahsoka Tano is a hugely popular character.

    But for this game specifically, Clone Wars represents by far the largest amount of potential content for this game. There's nothing more to add from the Original Trilogy or even Sequel Trilogy at this point. We've already had one game full of Original Trilogy content, plus Rogue One DLC. The Prequel Trilogy movies alone include far more locations, heroes, skins, etc. When you add in the Clone Wars TV show, it's not even remotely a contest.

    Star Wars Rebels is the only other option which could also bring fresh content as mentioned. Maybe the Star Wars Resistance cartoon will give something to go on too. I really don't think Solo is going to have enough to give us more than maybe 2 locations, some skins, and a couple new heroes.

    I'm not underestimating how popular the clone wars is, but I think you're overestimating it's importance.

    I went to the UK SW celebration and it was still the original era that got most of the people excited and the merch ( hate they word) was still mostly original stuff.

    What I'm saying is that it's not clone wars that is what this game needs, it's any era content and if that's clone wars, great, but too many think it's clones or nothing.

    I think with the millions of copies sold, it would be foolish to think clones is what the majority want considering in reality, clones the movies are mocked and IMO rightly so.

    Except for Mace of course. Him and Fisto are the only good things out of the prequels :wink:

    Sure Original Trilogy is the most popular trilogy. It will always be. But again, we are talking about content for the game that can bring people back. What are you going to add from the Original Trilogy that isn't already in the game? Another Endor forest map? Another Hoth map? Tatooine? We've seen all that in the 2015 game. We've got those planets already in this game. It would just be variations of the same content, maybe better or maybe worse. There aren't any heroes to add anyone cares about.

    If new content to play is what will bring people back, there's not a better place to get it than Clone Wars. That's why people are asking for it.

    I hear your passion mate and I don't fuly disagree with what you're saying, but I could counter with IG88, Old Ben, Dengar, Lobot (who :wink: )Tarkin,Jawas,Tuskens,Wedge, General Veers, Alderaan, Death Star 2 , Super Star Destroyer, dagobah.

    The OT still has plenty.

    We're both want more content, I'm saying any including Clone wars is what's needed, but don't get hung up on just clones as we really don't know what people want just these forums and ohers shouting clones is what most want.
  • tankertoad
    5967 posts Member
    It's a good idea across the whole board but can DICE do it without EA breathing down their necks on how they have to do it. > <

    Take the leash off of DICE and let them do their thing. Nothing to lose and everything to gain. it's a win-win imho.


    KC

    Back in the 80s people left and started their own company over and over. That's how you get all the A names. Atari went to Activision on and on. They kept the A.

    Dice sold themselves to Electronic Arts. If they wanted to make the games they want to make they should not have done that. But they're killing it on Battlefield. Battlefield 5 is probably going to be the largest multiplayer on Console of all time. So they're just fine
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  • Yep, which is why DICE should have a lot more control of SWBF2 then they currently have.

    I am sure Disney has had a hand in it as well, but overall EA shouldn't be managing the Star Wars IP anymore.

    They had their chance years ago until Lucas yanked them back, but then Lucas sells to Disney and what does Disney do? Gives it right back to EA. It's so unbelievably sad but they just call it "good business." *rolls eyes*


    KC
  • I'd be for it and buy in a heartbeat, as long as it's similar to battlefields premium. $50 for 4 to 5 guaranteed dlc with 4-6 maps, 2-4 heros, and 2-4 weapons heck yeah. The best part about that model as well is they tell you in advance what's being planned and what to expect.
    KazJim wrote: »
    Nope, it creates a 'two-speed' system, where players are locked out of content unless they pay for it - players move to DLC, 'vanilla' maps die...

    I give you SWBF1 (2015) as evidence . . . .

    There have been games that give some free and have paid season pass. You guys still get to enjoy your free measly one map and two skins every 4-6 months and we get to enjoy the great content we paid for, win win.
  • Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    They promised us a live service game. We paid full price for that promise. If they can’t deliver on their current promise, why would I pay them more money for DLC? You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not in the business of giving people my money when they can’t deliver in the first place.

    As someone replied to me trying to be clever, technically they have given DLC and even if they release 1 skin a month, they're still fulfilling the agreement.

    Now most reasonable people know what a DLC model is and what types of content it should have, however as I mentioned above, smarty pants posters are saying we are getting content.

    So technically they are fulfilling they're promise, but if they said you still get free content, but you can pay for this other content, they're technically still doing what they promised but fudging it.

    Sorry, the "technically" bit is because some of the defenders like to use that term as a last grasp effort.

    Best scenario, all new maps and game modes are free, guns, heroes, skin's cost.

    That would also cover the "DLC splits the playerbase rubbish that people trott out.

    And people giving them free passes for what we have received so far are the reason why we are in the current predicament.

    Nope mate, I and others didn't give them a free pass otherwise they would have kept the original plan and made us grind or pay. It's because we said no we're in this situation and it's not our fault but EAs.

    I never had a problem with paid DLCs for over 10 years, but SWBF1 decided to change the rules buy selling you a rushed content light game where if you wanted the full game you HAD to purchase the DLCs. That's where people also said no, so this new free DLC model that EA tried was never going to work without some income.

    They failed. Simple as that. Check out Titan Fall 2. Same thing.

    You pay for what you get. AAA titles (Jim Sterling voice) are a rip off mostly ( GOW and The Last of Us excluded)and yes, £60 should include all future content, however we as consumers need to make the choice of not buying if we don't think out £60 + isn't worth it
    Don't pre order and wait for reviews

    Lots of games are worth the price of the game and the extra cost for DLC. Witcher 3 and Nioh I had no problems paying for the DLC. Why should BF2 be any different if they make good quality DLC?
  • Landeaux2
    3138 posts Member
    edited May 2018
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    They promised us a live service game. We paid full price for that promise. If they can’t deliver on their current promise, why would I pay them more money for DLC? You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not in the business of giving people my money when they can’t deliver in the first place.

    As someone replied to me trying to be clever, technically they have given DLC and even if they release 1 skin a month, they're still fulfilling the agreement.

    Now most reasonable people know what a DLC model is and what types of content it should have, however as I mentioned above, smarty pants posters are saying we are getting content.

    So technically they are fulfilling they're promise, but if they said you still get free content, but you can pay for this other content, they're technically still doing what they promised but fudging it.

    Sorry, the "technically" bit is because some of the defenders like to use that term as a last grasp effort.

    Best scenario, all new maps and game modes are free, guns, heroes, skin's cost.

    That would also cover the "DLC splits the playerbase rubbish that people trott out.

    And people giving them free passes for what we have received so far are the reason why we are in the current predicament.

    Nope mate, I and others didn't give them a free pass otherwise they would have kept the original plan and made us grind or pay. It's because we said no we're in this situation and it's not our fault but EAs.

    I never had a problem with paid DLCs for over 10 years, but SWBF1 decided to change the rules buy selling you a rushed content light game where if you wanted the full game you HAD to purchase the DLCs. That's where people also said no, so this new free DLC model that EA tried was never going to work without some income.

    They failed. Simple as that. Check out Titan Fall 2. Same thing.

    You pay for what you get. AAA titles (Jim Sterling voice) are a rip off mostly ( GOW and The Last of Us excluded)and yes, £60 should include all future content, however we as consumers need to make the choice of not buying if we don't think out £60 + isn't worth it
    Don't pre order and wait for reviews

    Lots of games are worth the price of the game and the extra cost for DLC. Witcher 3 and Nioh I had no problems paying for the DLC. Why should BF2 be any different if they make good quality DLC?

    Agreed.
    However, a season pass isn’t always necessary to profit. See fortnite for example.
    This one is on EA, not the consumers.
  • Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    They promised us a live service game. We paid full price for that promise. If they can’t deliver on their current promise, why would I pay them more money for DLC? You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not in the business of giving people my money when they can’t deliver in the first place.

    As someone replied to me trying to be clever, technically they have given DLC and even if they release 1 skin a month, they're still fulfilling the agreement.

    Now most reasonable people know what a DLC model is and what types of content it should have, however as I mentioned above, smarty pants posters are saying we are getting content.

    So technically they are fulfilling they're promise, but if they said you still get free content, but you can pay for this other content, they're technically still doing what they promised but fudging it.

    Sorry, the "technically" bit is because some of the defenders like to use that term as a last grasp effort.

    Best scenario, all new maps and game modes are free, guns, heroes, skin's cost.

    That would also cover the "DLC splits the playerbase rubbish that people trott out.

    And people giving them free passes for what we have received so far are the reason why we are in the current predicament.

    I hate to tell you, but we now realize that DLC was never actually free. LOL

    It was all dependent on selling loot crates. When they announced free DLC, the first thing I said to myself was "So is this EA genuinely reaching into their pockets? How are they financing that?" Then the loot crates showed up. So after getting no loot crate revenue, we aren't getting anything of significance. Just a bunch of reskins of the 2015 game so far.

    I paid for the launch game too, and I feel like I got my money's worth. I've played the single player and it's DLC. I've put time into arcade. I've put a decent amount of time into multiplayer. I don't feel ripped off at this point, but I also feel like there's more that needs to be done. There's a lot of potential here to make a truly good game, but that won't come for free.
  • Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    They promised us a live service game. We paid full price for that promise. If they can’t deliver on their current promise, why would I pay them more money for DLC? You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not in the business of giving people my money when they can’t deliver in the first place.

    As someone replied to me trying to be clever, technically they have given DLC and even if they release 1 skin a month, they're still fulfilling the agreement.

    Now most reasonable people know what a DLC model is and what types of content it should have, however as I mentioned above, smarty pants posters are saying we are getting content.

    So technically they are fulfilling they're promise, but if they said you still get free content, but you can pay for this other content, they're technically still doing what they promised but fudging it.

    Sorry, the "technically" bit is because some of the defenders like to use that term as a last grasp effort.

    Best scenario, all new maps and game modes are free, guns, heroes, skin's cost.

    That would also cover the "DLC splits the playerbase rubbish that people trott out.

    And people giving them free passes for what we have received so far are the reason why we are in the current predicament.

    Nope mate, I and others didn't give them a free pass otherwise they would have kept the original plan and made us grind or pay. It's because we said no we're in this situation and it's not our fault but EAs.

    I never had a problem with paid DLCs for over 10 years, but SWBF1 decided to change the rules buy selling you a rushed content light game where if you wanted the full game you HAD to purchase the DLCs. That's where people also said no, so this new free DLC model that EA tried was never going to work without some income.

    They failed. Simple as that. Check out Titan Fall 2. Same thing.

    You pay for what you get. AAA titles (Jim Sterling voice) are a rip off mostly ( GOW and The Last of Us excluded)and yes, £60 should include all future content, however we as consumers need to make the choice of not buying if we don't think out £60 + isn't worth it
    Don't pre order and wait for reviews

    Lots of games are worth the price of the game and the extra cost for DLC. Witcher 3 and Nioh I had no problems paying for the DLC. Why should BF2 be any different if they make good quality DLC?

    Agreed.
    However, a season pass isn’t always necessary to profit. See fortnite for example.
    This one is on EA, not the consumers.

    Aye mate, but Fortnite is free and thus I put it in the freemium category that you can play without spending a penny and you know all future content is free.

    Also Fortnite is fun. Maybe not to you me and others ( I think it is good TBH) but to millions it is and when you're having fun on a FTP game you and more willing to spend cash hence the millions it made.

    If this game was fun from day 1 without all the bull, fully fleshed out, and a seasons pass/ individual DLCS roadmap explaining what you get in advance, with all maps free, we wouldn't be in this situation as the game itself isn't terrible, it's just meh.

    It's another debate about FTP games and costs of skin's and exploiting the consumer but you cannot compare these models even though one did get it right and one has/had a £60+ price tag attached to it but not much after.

  • AsariSith
    321 posts Member
    Really?. No.
  • Content.

    It's Star Wars so I don't care if it's clone or original or Thrawn or even Emo.

    If they said they were making a new DLC with at least 4 new maps, 4 new heroes, new weapons and at least 1 new not rehashed game mode (could dig some conquest) then the normal £19.99 wouldn't bother me. Potentially you could be talking months of playing until the next DLC.

    That said, it cannot be any ole stuff and just because it has all of the above, doesn't mean it will be good, however, nearly every DLC i've bought for every BF game, has had something worth it be it one new class or a new map and rarely has a DLC been completely poop..

    Those saying only clone wars, are you seriously saying if they brought out a fully fleshed out DLC with say Rebel heroes with some great maps and weapons and skills, you would say no? I'd question why you are still here and playing because for this game, any fully fleshed out content would bring people back in their droves. Me included :wink:

    Yeah Clone Wars is the popular request at the moment, so I think it would be good to start there. But Rebels has a lot of great content. I could see the second DLC pack being Star Wars Rebels DLC Pack 1:
    • Ezra Bridger
    • Grand Admiral Thrawn
    • New game mode
    • New planet Lothal with maps for all modes
    • New planet Atollon with maps for all modes

    Depending on what they do with Clone Wars, Ahsoka Tano and Mandalore could be in another Rebels pack. Other heroes could include Sabine Wren with Darksaber, Kanan Jarrus, Grand Inquisitor, Rukh, Seventh Sister.

    I hear you mate, but the problem is that these forums and Reddit and any other social media site are still a minority of a minorty, so just because clone wars is the thing most people on here want, doesn't mean that is what people who play this game want.

    I think you would find most players of the game don't give a monkeys on the era, they just want big content.

    Yes I agree, everyone has their favourite era or toon, but most just want to play Star Wars in all it's guises.

    Clone Wars DLC won't be the thing that would bring back the masses, any Star Wars DLC will.

    Put it this way, if Solo season had said it was 4 new heroes, 4 new maps, new weapons and a new mode (not rehashed stuff), do you think people would be thinking meh? Yes, the blinkered clone wars people would (blinkered in that's all you want to satisfy YOU), yet most people who bought this game would think yes, new content and just want new fun content to play with.

    I think you are underestimating how popular Clone Wars is even outside the circle of those that play this game. The crowd at Star Wars Celebration erupted when the Season 2 Rebels trailer revealed Captain Rex returning. Ahsoka Tano is a hugely popular character.

    But for this game specifically, Clone Wars represents by far the largest amount of potential content for this game. There's nothing more to add from the Original Trilogy or even Sequel Trilogy at this point. We've already had one game full of Original Trilogy content, plus Rogue One DLC. The Prequel Trilogy movies alone include far more locations, heroes, skins, etc. When you add in the Clone Wars TV show, it's not even remotely a contest.

    Star Wars Rebels is the only other option which could also bring fresh content as mentioned. Maybe the Star Wars Resistance cartoon will give something to go on too. I really don't think Solo is going to have enough to give us more than maybe 2 locations, some skins, and a couple new heroes.

    I'm not underestimating how popular the clone wars is, but I think you're overestimating it's importance.

    I went to the UK SW celebration and it was still the original era that got most of the people excited and the merch ( hate they word) was still mostly original stuff.

    What I'm saying is that it's not clone wars that is what this game needs, it's any era content and if that's clone wars, great, but too many think it's clones or nothing.

    I think with the millions of copies sold, it would be foolish to think clones is what the majority want considering in reality, clones the movies are mocked and IMO rightly so.

    Except for Mace of course. Him and Fisto are the only good things out of the prequels :wink:

    Sure Original Trilogy is the most popular trilogy. It will always be. But again, we are talking about content for the game that can bring people back. What are you going to add from the Original Trilogy that isn't already in the game? Another Endor forest map? Another Hoth map? Tatooine? We've seen all that in the 2015 game. We've got those planets already in this game. It would just be variations of the same content, maybe better or maybe worse. There aren't any heroes to add anyone cares about.

    If new content to play is what will bring people back, there's not a better place to get it than Clone Wars. That's why people are asking for it.

    I hear your passion mate and I don't fuly disagree with what you're saying, but I could counter with IG88, Old Ben, Dengar, Lobot (who :wink: )Tarkin,Jawas,Tuskens,Wedge, General Veers, Alderaan, Death Star 2 , Super Star Destroyer, dagobah.

    The OT still has plenty.

    We're both want more content, I'm saying any including Clone wars is what's needed, but don't get hung up on just clones as we really don't know what people want just these forums and ohers shouting clones is what most want.

    You are going to make me list it out aren't you? lol

    We have the Death Star in this game and had it in the 2015 game. One is as good as the other. Alderaan was only shown in the prequel era stuff. I don't think it's appearance in A New Hope would make for a good map...maybe starfighter assault in the asteroids LOL!!!

    So fine, how is your original trilogy list going to stack up against: Obi-Wan, Padme, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, Ahsoka Tano, Anakin Skywalker, Ki Adi Mundi, Shaak Ti, Luminara Unduli, Barris Offee, Aayla Secura, Quinlan Vos, Captain Rex, Commander Wolffe, Commander Cody, Count Dooku, Mother Talzin, General Grievous, Pong Krell, Jango Fett, Asajj Ventress, Cad Bane, Embo, Sugi, Latts Razzi, Savage Oppress, Pre Viszla...need I really go on? lol

    Planets? In addition to the three in my original post: Umbara, Mustafar, Ryloth, Geonosis, Polis Massan, Mandalore, Florrum, Nal Hutta, Mon Calamari, Dathomir, Onderon, Crystophsis, and more.

    Also, it won't just be clones vs droids on all these planets. For instance, on Umbara it was the Umbaran army the Clones were fighting. On Mandalore it would be the Mandalorian Death Watch vs Clones. On Mon Calamari, the Mon Cal and others were involved. On Dathomir, it would be Droids vs the Nightsisters. Onderon it was the Onderon freedom fighters vs droids, etc.

    An avalanche of content! Too much!!! Lol Seriously, they could make DLC packs for years out of Clone Wars without recycling heroes or planets.
  • tankertoad
    5967 posts Member
    This is a good thread and good discussion.
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  • Landeaux2
    3138 posts Member
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    They promised us a live service game. We paid full price for that promise. If they can’t deliver on their current promise, why would I pay them more money for DLC? You know what they say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not in the business of giving people my money when they can’t deliver in the first place.

    As someone replied to me trying to be clever, technically they have given DLC and even if they release 1 skin a month, they're still fulfilling the agreement.

    Now most reasonable people know what a DLC model is and what types of content it should have, however as I mentioned above, smarty pants posters are saying we are getting content.

    So technically they are fulfilling they're promise, but if they said you still get free content, but you can pay for this other content, they're technically still doing what they promised but fudging it.

    Sorry, the "technically" bit is because some of the defenders like to use that term as a last grasp effort.

    Best scenario, all new maps and game modes are free, guns, heroes, skin's cost.

    That would also cover the "DLC splits the playerbase rubbish that people trott out.

    And people giving them free passes for what we have received so far are the reason why we are in the current predicament.

    Nope mate, I and others didn't give them a free pass otherwise they would have kept the original plan and made us grind or pay. It's because we said no we're in this situation and it's not our fault but EAs.

    I never had a problem with paid DLCs for over 10 years, but SWBF1 decided to change the rules buy selling you a rushed content light game where if you wanted the full game you HAD to purchase the DLCs. That's where people also said no, so this new free DLC model that EA tried was never going to work without some income.

    They failed. Simple as that. Check out Titan Fall 2. Same thing.

    You pay for what you get. AAA titles (Jim Sterling voice) are a rip off mostly ( GOW and The Last of Us excluded)and yes, £60 should include all future content, however we as consumers need to make the choice of not buying if we don't think out £60 + isn't worth it
    Don't pre order and wait for reviews

    Lots of games are worth the price of the game and the extra cost for DLC. Witcher 3 and Nioh I had no problems paying for the DLC. Why should BF2 be any different if they make good quality DLC?

    Agreed.
    However, a season pass isn’t always necessary to profit. See fortnite for example.
    This one is on EA, not the consumers.

    Aye mate, but Fortnite is free and thus I put it in the freemium category that you can play without spending a penny and you know all future content is free.

    Also Fortnite is fun. Maybe not to you me and others ( I think it is good TBH) but to millions it is and when you're having fun on a FTP game you and more willing to spend cash hence the millions it made.

    If this game was fun from day 1 without all the bull, fully fleshed out, and a seasons pass/ individual DLCS roadmap explaining what you get in advance, with all maps free, we wouldn't be in this situation as the game itself isn't terrible, it's just meh.

    It's another debate about FTP games and costs of skin's and exploiting the consumer but you cannot compare these models even though one did get it right and one has/had a £60+ price tag attached to it but not much after.

    However it’s a game that makes way more money than BF2. It’s popular. They listen to their community. It’s the most streamed and watched game on twitch. They make their money through skins. They pump out content and updates weekly. A free game is embarrassing a paid game and that speaks volumes.
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