Kelly Marie Tran (AKA Rose in TLJ)

Troopper_FoFo · June 6, 2018 1:00AM

Meh happens to every actor. Its just some let it get to them a little more than others.

Kenobi_Dude · June 6, 2018 1:00AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

Very sad to have horrible online harassment directed to a real human being. There’s a difference between free speech and hate speech, also. Many of you will fail to see that, I’m sure.

It’s no secret that many so-called SW fans (and many others) are also sexist and racist.... exactly my point in a recent post I made last week about Rose.

Anyway, I have more to say, but this forum is full of too many immature people who are unable to have any actual dialogue on this kind of issue...so I’m not getting into it for that reason, and, obviously, this is just a video game forum.

There is NO first amendment exemption for subjectively classified "hate speech"... this was reaffirmed by the supreme court just last year in Matal v Tam. Free speech is free spech regardless of what subjective tags you assign to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

True based on that US ruling... SW is a global brand though. Because of this, common human decency was more what I was referring to when I wrote there is a difference between free speech and hate speech... People just claim free speech like it's some kind of excuse for being hateful. Just because something isn't illegal, doesn't make it ethical. Also, in the US, there wouldn't be constitutional protection for an actual threat that targets an individual for something like physical violence, for example.

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Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

sexist and racist....

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rollind24 · June 6, 2018 1:19AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

Very sad to have horrible online harassment directed to a real human being. There’s a difference between free speech and hate speech, also. Many of you will fail to see that, I’m sure.

It’s no secret that many so-called SW fans (and many others) are also sexist and racist.... exactly my point in a recent post I made last week about Rose.

Anyway, I have more to say, but this forum is full of too many immature people who are unable to have any actual dialogue on this kind of issue...so I’m not getting into it for that reason, and, obviously, this is just a video game forum.

There is NO first amendment exemption for subjectively classified "hate speech"... this was reaffirmed by the supreme court just last year in Matal v Tam. Free speech is free spech regardless of what subjective tags you assign to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

This is sort of assuming everyone on the internet is covered by the first amendment though right? Of course I don’t want the government rounding up internet trolls but I still think the social media companies should do a better job weeding them out

Kenobi_Dude · June 6, 2018 1:50AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

Very sad to have horrible online harassment directed to a real human being. There’s a difference between free speech and hate speech, also. Many of you will fail to see that, I’m sure.

It’s no secret that many so-called SW fans (and many others) are also sexist and racist.... exactly my point in a recent post I made last week about Rose.

Anyway, I have more to say, but this forum is full of too many immature people who are unable to have any actual dialogue on this kind of issue...so I’m not getting into it for that reason, and, obviously, this is just a video game forum.

There is NO first amendment exemption for subjectively classified "hate speech"... this was reaffirmed by the supreme court just last year in Matal v Tam. Free speech is free spech regardless of what subjective tags you assign to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

I already wrote a post, which is under review for some reason. Stupid. Anyway to rephrase myself... your link is true in the US, but SW extends beyond the US as a global brand. Also, actual threats of violence/harm are not constitutional as free speech. And more importantly, just because something is legal doesn’t make it ethical.

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Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

sexist and racist....

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Vespervin · June 6, 2018 2:24AM

Trooper8059 wrote: »

I never understood the belief that characters = actors. I mean it's one thing to dislike an actor/actress, but it's another to dislike said actor/actress for the role they were assigned by the director.

The dislike of Rose (from what i've seen) has come from the dialogue/writing, the choices the character makes in the movie. I haven't seen anyone make the argument that Rose is a bad character because she was poorly acted. Like in the case of the prequels, it's just a bad scenario for the actors. Because their face is what the audience sees, people make an association, and then place their anger towards a person who doesn't deserve it, and in a manner that really shouldn't be happening in the first place.

I genuinely feel bad for people like Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christensen, and Kelly Marie Tran. Their characters came across poorly to audiences due to poor direction and writing, and they have to go through a lot more unwarranted flak as a result.

I agree.

JAREDUP · June 6, 2018 3:28AM

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

Very sad to have horrible online harassment directed to a real human being. There’s a difference between free speech and hate speech, also. Many of you will fail to see that, I’m sure.

It’s no secret that many so-called SW fans (and many others) are also sexist and racist.... exactly my point in a recent post I made last week about Rose.

Anyway, I have more to say, but this forum is full of too many immature people who are unable to have any actual dialogue on this kind of issue...so I’m not getting into it for that reason, and, obviously, this is just a video game forum.

There is NO first amendment exemption for subjectively classified "hate speech"... this was reaffirmed by the supreme court just last year in Matal v Tam. Free speech is free spech regardless of what subjective tags you assign to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

I already wrote a post, which is under review for some reason. ****. Anyway to rephrase myself... your link is true in the US, but SW extends beyond the US as a global brand. Also, actual threats of violence/harm are not constitutional as free speech. And more importantly, just because something is legal doesn’t make it ethical.

JAREDUP wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

sexist and racist....

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Oh look, a great example of an immature post.

What you said was immature, let's keep those words off the forums please

darkgamer500 · June 6, 2018 8:05AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

darkgamer500 wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Goblin_Boy wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

I don't care... there are always going to be people who dislike you... amplified by 1000x if you choose a career in the public eye. She chose to be an actress, and by being cast in Star Wars did very well for herself... if she can't handle the meaningless animosity of complete strangers who are irrelevant, she should pick a new career.

Edit: I think her role in star wars sucked because that entire finn/rose storyline seemed superfluous and contrived and contributed almost nothing to the plot of TLJ. They could have put any actress in that role, and it still would have sucked.

The idea that your chosen career necessitates abuse is bull. Pointing a finger at Kelly or Jake Lloyd and saying “You shouldn’t act if you can’t take the heat” is utterly ridiculous. Living out your dream doesn’t inherently entitle pathetic people to crawl from the bogs and hurl insults because you dared to work a career with the expectation that your critics wouldn’t act like animals. The blame is entirely their fault, and Kelly Marie Tran isn’t at fault for not being prepared for something so entirely unwarranted.

I work in healthcare and in the past have chosen to work in locked psychiatric facilities where verbal abuse and physical aggression are the norm... I chose this, and I chose to ignore it when I worked in that environment. I choose to interact on these forums and post videos on youtube... thus I am choosing to allow people to react to what I am putting out there... and I just ignore it. If you choose to be an actor/actress, you are choosing to expose yourself to millions of people who are going to judge you... it comes with the territory, and if you are so emotionally weak as to be unable to disregard what irrelevant random people are saying about you in random places online then I have no sympathy. If people are DOING things like stalking you, breaking into your house etc. then yes, we have a problem... if a bunch of nonfactors are talking trash, I don't care.

The difference for you is that your work life was separate from your personal life. You don’t have to get emotionally invested in those people. The people you were working with were mentally ill, so you had an understanding that what they were saying was irrelevant due to their mental conditions. Posting on this forum, your retain anonymity. On the other hand, Kelly Marie Tran is in a position where her career and personal life are intertwined. She interacts with the community and so she gets invested. If you looked at her posts, they were daily positive pictures. ****, but not mentally ill people, were attacking her everywhere, on every post. Not only do you wrongly equate your experience to hers, you also fail to realize that people are different. Working in a mental health facility, you should know that some people are more likely to become depressed than others. This isn’t a gender thing, there are males and females can easily become depressed. It’s insensitive to say it’s her fault for getting sad that people treat her this ways. Your comments are the equivalent of saying toughen up to someone with clinical depression.

Ya, she should toughen up. Stop letting the words on the internet of random strangers bother you... just scoff at their pathetic lives and move on.

Great argument. We should all just tell kids who get bullied to the point that they become depressed or do something worse to themselves that they should just toughen up. I’m sure no one around them had told them to ignore the mean things people say. Counselors should just tell kids to toughen up. The world would be a better place if everyone gave out your advice.

darkgamer500 · June 6, 2018 8:05AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

darkgamer500 wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Goblin_Boy wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

I don't care... there are always going to be people who dislike you... amplified by 1000x if you choose a career in the public eye. She chose to be an actress, and by being cast in Star Wars did very well for herself... if she can't handle the meaningless animosity of complete strangers who are irrelevant, she should pick a new career.

Edit: I think her role in star wars sucked because that entire finn/rose storyline seemed superfluous and contrived and contributed almost nothing to the plot of TLJ. They could have put any actress in that role, and it still would have sucked.

The idea that your chosen career necessitates abuse is bull. Pointing a finger at Kelly or Jake Lloyd and saying “You shouldn’t act if you can’t take the heat” is utterly ridiculous. Living out your dream doesn’t inherently entitle pathetic people to crawl from the bogs and hurl insults because you dared to work a career with the expectation that your critics wouldn’t act like animals. The blame is entirely their fault, and Kelly Marie Tran isn’t at fault for not being prepared for something so entirely unwarranted.

I work in healthcare and in the past have chosen to work in locked psychiatric facilities where verbal abuse and physical aggression are the norm... I chose this, and I chose to ignore it when I worked in that environment. I choose to interact on these forums and post videos on youtube... thus I am choosing to allow people to react to what I am putting out there... and I just ignore it. If you choose to be an actor/actress, you are choosing to expose yourself to millions of people who are going to judge you... it comes with the territory, and if you are so emotionally weak as to be unable to disregard what irrelevant random people are saying about you in random places online then I have no sympathy. If people are DOING things like stalking you, breaking into your house etc. then yes, we have a problem... if a bunch of nonfactors are talking trash, I don't care.

The difference for you is that your work life was separate from your personal life. You don’t have to get emotionally invested in those people. The people you were working with were mentally ill, so you had an understanding that what they were saying was irrelevant due to their mental conditions. Posting on this forum, your retain anonymity. On the other hand, Kelly Marie Tran is in a position where her career and personal life are intertwined. She interacts with the community and so she gets invested. If you looked at her posts, they were daily positive pictures. ****, but not mentally ill people, were attacking her everywhere, on every post. Not only do you wrongly equate your experience to hers, you also fail to realize that people are different. Working in a mental health facility, you should know that some people are more likely to become depressed than others. This isn’t a gender thing, there are males and females can easily become depressed. It’s insensitive to say it’s her fault for getting sad that people treat her this ways. Your comments are the equivalent of saying toughen up to someone with clinical depression.

Ya, she should toughen up. Stop letting the words on the internet of random strangers bother you... just scoff at their pathetic lives and move on.

Great argument. We should all just tell kids who get bullied to the point that they become depressed or do something worse to themselves that they should just toughen up. I’m sure no one around them had told them to ignore the mean things people say. Counselors should just tell kids to toughen up. The world would be a better place if everyone gave out your advice.

t3hBar0n · June 6, 2018 9:26AM

darkgamer500 wrote: »

Great argument. We should all just tell kids who get bullied to the point that they become depressed or do something worse to themselves that they should just toughen up. I’m sure no one around them had told them to ignore the mean things people say. Counselors should just tell kids to toughen up. The world would be a better place if everyone gave out your advice.

It would. The sooner you realize that the less you care about random peoples opinions of you, the better off you will be. When I worked in psych the focus of the therapy groups and counseling sessions with the depressed/suicidal kids was not about telling them false praise to try to build up their self esteems... it was about training them to cope with whatever adversity they were facing whether real or imagined in a way that gave them control.
For kids who faced verbal abuse, one of the most powerful coping skills you can teach them is to de-legitimize the source of the abuse and convince the former victim that their tormentor is not a valid authority figure and THEY (the former victim) have control of how they react to the situation, not their tormentor AKA, ignore what the tormentor says, they don't matter. Once you teach the victim coping skills and they are able to utilize them, the victim will naturally gain self-esteem because they are becoming self reliant and learning not to base their self worth on the opinions of others... this cycle becomes a positive feedback loop and after a while you have a much tougher/resilient kid as far as dealing with what the world has to offer.
The sissified child/adolescent culture in which adults attempt to shield children from any/all conflict or negativity directed at them is resulting in a generation of teenagers and young adults who are totally maladjusted to real life, and they are having to be taught coping skills by clinical psychologists which they should have just learned automatically growing up through life experience.

Kenobi_Dude · June 6, 2018 10:56AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

darkgamer500 wrote: »

Great argument. We should all just tell kids who get bullied to the point that they become depressed or do something worse to themselves that they should just toughen up. I’m sure no one around them had told them to ignore the mean things people say. Counselors should just tell kids to toughen up. The world would be a better place if everyone gave out your advice.

It would. The sooner you realize that the less you care about random peoples opinions of you, the better off you will be. When I worked in psych the focus of the therapy groups and counseling sessions with the depressed/suicidal kids was not about telling them false praise to try to build up their self esteems... it was about training them to cope with whatever adversity they were facing whether real or imagined in a way that gave them control.
For kids who faced verbal abuse, one of the most powerful coping skills you can teach them is to de-legitimize the source of the abuse and convince the former victim that their tormentor is not a valid authority figure and THEY (the former victim) have control of how they react to the situation, not their tormentor AKA, ignore what the tormentor says, they don't matter. Once you teach the victim coping skills and they are able to utilize them, the victim will naturally gain self-esteem because they are becoming self reliant and learning not to base their self worth on the opinions of others... this cycle becomes a positive feedback loop and after a while you have a much tougher/resilient kid as far as dealing with what the world has to offer.
The sissified child/adolescent culture in which adults attempt to shield children from any/all conflict or negativity directed at them is resulting in a generation of teenagers and young adults who are totally maladjusted to real life, and they are having to be taught coping skills by clinical psychologists which they should have just learned automatically growing up through life experience.

This attitude of “just be a man” or “don’t be a sissy” is part of the problem though, and it is often used by older generations to unfairly attack millennials and Generation Z kids. Younger generations are some of the most educated and open-minded people out there, even if their parents try to shield them from too many things in your opinion.

With the internet, much self-discovery can take place, but also online bullying has become widespread, which has amplified so many problems and takes us back to the topic of the actress who played Rose. Sure, it is to be expected that there will be jerks out there. I’m sure she wasn’t overly surprised since becoming a minor celebrity, but it still sucks to be the target of that no matter how thick someone’s skin is. I’m sure she is quite used to it, in fact, since she is a non-white woman and has probably dealt with harassment on the regular.

Also psychology, counseling, etc. are not new nor are they only utilized by younger generations. Learning coping skills is part of the process, but many people can face complex behaviorial health issues and simply saying “toughen up” isn’t an actual solution, but it’s a strategy for an Internet forum post about Rose, I suppose.

Assassino37 · June 6, 2018 2:54PM

Some of these comments are disappointing to read. Just because you have a career in making films, TV shows, video games or technology for public consumption, doesn't mean you either should just accept it as a normal part of the territory or deserve to be ridiculed to the extent people do. No one deserves to be attacked with such extreme vulgarity unprovoked. I have read these stories often for years and I'm not even sure some people understand just how graphic the things being said are. Most of the time death threats are included, sometimes to the point where police have to investigate. If some of you were in the place of some of these people I guarantee you would be singing a different tune.

TheStalker88 · June 6, 2018 5:49PM

I disagree with how she's being bashed on. It's not her fault the directors made her a plain one dimensional token character. That speech she gave to Finn was forced and horrible like they made her read and memorize the lines and then shoot the scene without any directing. Mark Hamil even mentioned how Rian at times (or mostly) just shoots scenes only once and without any improvisation. Rian is a sloppy director and Rose Tico was a perfect reflection of his work

LaurenXIV · June 6, 2018 5:50PM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

LaurenXIV wrote: »

I work in a bookstore. I help customers find books they are looking for, work on a checkout, read to children on a Thursday for story time... I interact with a lot of people every day (not the best thing for someone with social anxiety, buuutttt...)

Ive never received a complaint of any kind, but if someone felt that I had done something wrong they could post a negative review on Google somewhere. In my job, Im accepting that not everyone will be pleased by my service and might react to it (though again, no complaints. I try to please everyone :P ).

BUT Im absolutely not accepting that my social media accounts (if I had any...) would be flooded with a constant stream of abusive/harassing messages. That isnt part of my job, or anyones. There is a REASONABLE amount of criticism that people are opening themselves up to.

We cant expect everyone to be made of stone. No matter what their career or how much money they have, these are PEOPLE. People have complicated lives that can have good days and bad days. Signing into a social media account to see negative comments attacking who you are every day is enough to upset anyone.

It isnt just with actors/directors. There are examples of game developers being abused online because "fans" didnt like an aspect of their game. It happens with journalists, authors, YouTubers - most predominantly women.
To accept that people following a career are opening themselves up to abuse online is not good for anyone. When game developers have deleted their social media accounts because of the abuse, gamers will wonder "why aren't the developers listening to us?" "why aren't they responding to our criticisms?" "why aren't they communicating with us?"... and the people who either partake in or justify harassment/abuse online will have only themselves to blame.

Make your account private, problem solved. If you choose to be open to the public, than you lose the ability to curate your own museum so to speak. It is just a symptom of a larger phenomenon where children have been raised in such a bubble of protection from all insults/criticism/schoolyard bullying etc. that they become emotionally immature adults who have never learned how to correctly deal with these situations... which (news flash) happen in the real world all the time.

In a psychiatric setting, the point of counseling sessions and therapy groups is NOT to tell the patient that everything is ok and the world is such a nice place and they will never face people saying mean things about them, bullying them, abusing them etc... the counseling sessions are designed to give the patients the coping mechanisms necessary to lead a functional life in which they are going to always encounter these types of situations, but they will now have whatever tools they need to deal with that situation without letting it get to them. The most powerful tool at their disposal is to stop caring about what random people think/say... once you do this, your life becomes infinitely more pleasant.

The problem isn't solved by making your account private. It will definitely affect the social media experience of the public figure. Which isn't exactly fair. Especially with game developers, its good to have an open dialogue with gamers for things like feedback, news, etc. Making an account private isn't the best option. And theres no reason why someone should have to have a worse experience because of harassers/trolls.
The "bubble of protection" you talk of doesn't exist. Bullying still happens. Yes, there is more of a negative opinion of it that has developed in recent times - but thats because people are understanding that the older generations are wrong and that bullying doesn't "build character" or any kind of other excuses they make for being terrible people.
A long time ago, I was bullied because of my sexual orientation. It in no way helped me, or made me more confident so I could withstand insults etc. It just sucked, period. And because it was at school, it affected my performance... which in turn affected my future. My life would have been better without them, theres no doubt in my mind about that. I WISH I had had a bubble of protection.

Theres a large difference between HELPING people better deal with negative things, and BEING a negative thing. Bullying helps no one, it just makes them suffer. Everyone in the world is different. Everyone leads different lives, and has different pasts. Expecting people all to be tough just won't work in reality, no matter who they are.

The full responsibility of the harassment/trolling that Kelly Marie Tran has been the victim of sits on the shoulders of the trolls and the harassers. It isn't her fault - shes a nice person, who was only following her career and was a part of something amazing. Theres no 'shared blame' in this situation - there is one victim. But many aggressors - who have control over their actions, and have full knowledge about the hurt they will be inflicting but choose to continue anyway. It is their responsibility, and their fault - just like someone who breaks into a home is responsible for the crime, not the home owner for not having toughened glass.

TheStalker88 · June 6, 2018 5:56PM

Its really not her fault. Good or bad actor, you can't go bashing on her. Yeah people are too judgemental and hate driven sometimes. Seemed like alot of these comments were from high school people. A bunch of hot heads

BeastlyCrawdad · June 6, 2018 8:41PM

Assassino37 wrote: »

Some of these comments are disappointing to read. Just because you have a career in making films, TV shows, video games or technology for public consumption, doesn't mean you either should just accept it as a normal part of the territory or deserve to be ridiculed to the extent people do. No one deserves to be attacked with such extreme vulgarity unprovoked. I have read these stories often for years and I'm not even sure some people understand just how graphic the things being said are. Most of the time death threats are included, sometimes to the point where police have to investigate. If some of you were in the place of some of these people I guarantee you would be singing a different tune.

Truth. Trolls are horrible, cruel forms of life. Some of the stuff that normal trolls say are enough to make me, a 6ft 5in, powerfully built man, want to go smash their computer with my fists. You can't do that stuff to people. It is not right. Just because you are anonymous, does not mean you have the right to attack a young lady's personal life. Even if she was a disappointing Star Wars character (I am not saying she was).
I am also the type of person that protects those who need it. I stand up against injustice. What they have said about her, makes me want to rush to her aid. I am very protective of people, it is just part of who I am.
Should she have expected backlash from the community? Yes. But this is enough to make a grown man commit his own killing. I have had enough of trolls. We as men and women should stand up against these cowards. She is still a human being, and a Star Wars fan.
Gone are the days when a man used to fight to the death for a young lady's honor. But I think that men and women of valor and chivalry still exist.

HansTheBest · June 6, 2018 8:57PM

Quizolio wrote: »

As I have said on another forum:
The people sending all of this vitriol towards her should be sending it to the writers. They're the ones responsible for the character, Kelly was forced to work with what they gave her. I'm no fan of Rose (I utterly despise her), but going after the woman who portrayed her, enough to the point of driving her off of social media, is inexcusable.

Fans/Haters shouldn't be harassing anyone in actuality. Vote with your wallet and find another interest but don't be a despicable human being.

t3hBar0n · June 6, 2018 9:08PM

HansTheBest wrote: »

Quizolio wrote: »

As I have said on another forum:
The people sending all of this vitriol towards her should be sending it to the writers. They're the ones responsible for the character, Kelly was forced to work with what they gave her. I'm no fan of Rose (I utterly despise her), but going after the woman who portrayed her, enough to the point of driving her off of social media, is inexcusable.

Fans/Haters shouldn't be harassing anyone in actuality. Vote with your wallet and find another interest but don't be a despicable human being.

Fan = Fanatic... fanatics by definition are unreasonable, as are haters. Expecting unreasonable people to be reasonable is unreasonable!

TheStalker88 · June 6, 2018 9:43PM

Fans or fanatics don't have to automatically be haters. Just because you really like something doesn't mean you have to despise the things you don't like as much.

LaurenXIV · June 6, 2018 10:28PM

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

Assassino37 wrote: »

Some of these comments are disappointing to read. Just because you have a career in making films, TV shows, video games or technology for public consumption, doesn't mean you either should just accept it as a normal part of the territory or deserve to be ridiculed to the extent people do. No one deserves to be attacked with such extreme vulgarity unprovoked. I have read these stories often for years and I'm not even sure some people understand just how graphic the things being said are. Most of the time death threats are included, sometimes to the point where police have to investigate. If some of you were in the place of some of these people I guarantee you would be singing a different tune.

Truth. Trolls are horrible, cruel forms of life. Some of the stuff that normal trolls say are enough to make me, a 6ft 5in, powerfully built man, want to go smash their computer with my fists. You can't do that stuff to people. It is not right. Just because you are anonymous, does not mean you have the right to attack a young lady's personal life. Even if she was a disappointing Star Wars character (I am not saying she was).
I am also the type of person that protects those who need it. I stand up against injustice. What they have said about her, makes me want to rush to her aid. I am very protective of people, it is just part of who I am.
Should she have expected backlash from the community? Yes. But this is enough to make a grown man commit his own killing. I have had enough of trolls. We as men and women should stand up against these cowards. She is still a human being, and a Star Wars fan.
Gone are the days when a man used to fight to the death for a young lady's honor. But I think that men and women of valor and chivalry still exist.

*sends a virtual hug for being awesome*

Devlin21 · June 6, 2018 10:30PM

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1004482255295692802

BeastlyCrawdad · June 6, 2018 10:31PM

Devastator21823 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1004482255295692802

One of the greatest actors of all-time.

Kenobi_Dude · June 6, 2018 11:04PM

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

Devastator21823 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1004482255295692802

One of the greatest actors of all-time.

LOL. Greatest actor of all time? Maybe he’s decent if you count Joker cartoon voice acting...sorry but I had to say it. As much as I like the character, Luke, in the OT, his acting skill was mediocre, and he was pretty horrible in TLJ...

Despite this side note, he is still Star Wars royalty, and it’s cool to see him voicing support for Kelly!

JAREDUP · June 6, 2018 11:13PM

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Kenobi_Dude · June 6, 2018 11:25PM

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Why? I like Kelly, and I like Rose. Good to see support for her.

JAREDUP · June 6, 2018 11:35PM

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Why? I like Kelly, and I like Rose. Good to see support for her.

Becasuse it has become a big argument over everything but kelly

Kenobi_Dude · June 7, 2018 12:05AM

JAREDUP wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Why? I like Kelly, and I like Rose. Good to see support for her.

Becasuse it has become a big argument over everything but kelly

I know right! Glad to see we can agree that Kelly/Rose is great.

rollind24 · June 7, 2018 1:42AM

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

Devastator21823 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1004482255295692802

One of the greatest actors of all-time.

LOL. Greatest actor of all time? Maybe he’s decent if you count Joker cartoon voice acting...sorry but I had to say it. As much as I like the character, Luke, in the OT, his acting skill was mediocre, and he was pretty horrible in TLJ...

Despite this side note, he is still Star Wars royalty, and it’s cool to see him voicing support for Kelly!

The thing that actually made me nervous about going into TLJ was actually Mark Hamills acting lol. Love the guy and Luke but I was scared.

Midichlorian · June 7, 2018 1:46AM

If I was KMT I wouldn't care. Being in The Last Jedi gave her a big paycheck, which her haters can only dream of getting. Who really wins here?

BeastlyCrawdad · June 7, 2018 1:57AM

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

Devastator21823 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1004482255295692802

One of the greatest actors of all-time.

LOL. Greatest actor of all time? Maybe he’s decent if you count Joker cartoon voice acting...sorry but I had to say it. As much as I like the character, Luke, in the OT, his acting skill was mediocre, and he was pretty horrible in TLJ...

Despite this side note, he is still Star Wars royalty, and it’s cool to see him voicing support for Kelly!

I was talking about as a real person.

BeastlyCrawdad · June 7, 2018 2:01AM

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Why? I like Kelly, and I like Rose. Good to see support for her.

Becasuse it has become a big argument over everything but kelly

I know right! Glad to see we can agree that Kelly/Rose is great.

I like Kelly, and I have no prob with Rose. I actually kind of liked the story ark that her character has. I don't think I would put her above Poe though, he is awesome. I mean, he is one heckofa pilot.

Billkwando · June 7, 2018 4:13PM

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Billkwando · June 7, 2018 5:31PM

Assassino37 wrote: »

I have read these stories often for years and I'm not even sure some people understand just how graphic the things being said are. Most of the time death threats are included, sometimes to the point where police have to investigate. If some of you were in the place of some of these people I guarantee you would be singing a different tune.

This.

TheStalker88 · June 7, 2018 11:20PM

Danger_Gideon_Hasks wrote: »

It’s not the actor’s fault her character was garbage... They should be aiming their negativity towards Rian Johnson

Yes. Directors are fully responsible for the way actors perform.

JAREDUP · June 8, 2018 3:28AM

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

BeastlyCrawdad · June 8, 2018 3:46AM

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

JAREDUP · June 8, 2018 3:53AM

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Haven't seen it yet

Kenobi_Dude · June 8, 2018 3:58AM

JAREDUP wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Haven't seen it yet

Why not? It's actually a great movie and would be entertaining for any SW fan. It's not even political.

t3hBar0n · June 8, 2018 3:59AM

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Robosexuals?

BeastlyCrawdad · June 8, 2018 4:01AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Robosexuals?

JAREDUP · June 8, 2018 4:02AM

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Haven't seen it yet

Why not? It's actually a great movie and would be entertaining for any SW fan. It's not even political.

I will, when it come to Netflix or something, right now I don't want to send a direct feed of money to Dinsey, (despite me buying the game before the nonsense)

BeastlyCrawdad · June 8, 2018 4:31AM

JAREDUP wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Haven't seen it yet

Why not? It's actually a great movie and would be entertaining for any SW fan. It's not even political.

I will, when it come to Netflix or something, right now I don't want to send a direct feed of money to Dinsey, (despite me buying the game before the nonsense)

Let me rephrase my question, I should have asked, what nonsense?

Kenobi_Dude · June 8, 2018 4:34AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Robosexuals?

What do you think of Beauty and the Beast? Unacceptable?

Robots need love too!

t3hBar0n · June 8, 2018 4:57AM

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Robosexuals?

What do you think of Beauty and the Beast? Unacceptable?

Robots need love too!

I don't think anything... the question was posed regarding what a Christian would find offensive... robosexuals would offend many Christians (not to mention a host of other religions). Beauty and the Beast is Disney's lovely ode to Stockholm Syndrome... and technically the "beast" is actually a cursed human prince... while in the case of star wars, the robot is a robot.

JAREDUP · June 8, 2018 5:12AM

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Haven't seen it yet

Why not? It's actually a great movie and would be entertaining for any SW fan. It's not even political.

I will, when it come to Netflix or something, right now I don't want to send a direct feed of money to Dinsey, (despite me buying the game before the nonsense)

Let me rephrase my question, I should have asked, what nonsense?

Well they said lando is a homosexual, which I don't support

Prof_Moriarty · June 8, 2018 7:13AM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Robosexuals?

What do you think of Beauty and the Beast? Unacceptable?

Robots need love too!

I don't think anything... the question was posed regarding what a Christian would find offensive... robosexuals would offend many Christians (not to mention a host of other religions). Beauty and the Beast is Disney's lovely ode to Stockholm Syndrome... and technically the "beast" is actually a cursed human prince... while in the case of star wars, the robot is a robot.

Can’t they just... toughen up?

t3hBar0n · June 8, 2018 7:34AM

Prof_Moriarty wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Robosexuals?

What do you think of Beauty and the Beast? Unacceptable?

Robots need love too!

I don't think anything... the question was posed regarding what a Christian would find offensive... robosexuals would offend many Christians (not to mention a host of other religions). Beauty and the Beast is Disney's lovely ode to Stockholm Syndrome... and technically the "beast" is actually a cursed human prince... while in the case of star wars, the robot is a robot.

Can’t they just... toughen up?

Ya, they should... I don't think you should let religious dogma run your life.

Billkwando · June 8, 2018 1:49PM

JAREDUP wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Haven't seen it yet

Why not? It's actually a great movie and would be entertaining for any SW fan. It's not even political.

I will, when it come to Netflix or something, right now I don't want to send a direct feed of money to Dinsey, (despite me buying the game before the nonsense)

Let me rephrase my question, I should have asked, what nonsense?

Well they said lando is a homosexual, which I don't support

Oh, like maybe Kylo wasn't the first to stick his lightsaber in Han Solo??

Sorry you don't support pansexuality between made up people, but you're entitled to your feelings. What are your objections to TLJ though? You clearly had an issue with this thread before there was any discussion of the dipping of the Wicket.

BeastlyCrawdad · June 8, 2018 2:46PM

JAREDUP wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Haven't seen it yet

Why not? It's actually a great movie and would be entertaining for any SW fan. It's not even political.

I will, when it come to Netflix or something, right now I don't want to send a direct feed of money to Dinsey, (despite me buying the game before the nonsense)

Let me rephrase my question, I should have asked, what nonsense?

Well they said lando is a homosexual, which I don't support

He isn't. He is some sort of made-up-sexual.

BeastlyCrawdad · June 8, 2018 2:53PM

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Prof_Moriarty wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

Kenobi_Dude wrote: »

t3hBar0n wrote: »

BeastlyCrawdad wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Billkwando wrote: »

JAREDUP wrote: »

Who cares

Also this needs to be in Off Topic, just saying

JAREDUP wrote: »

Time for this thread to die out and be closed

Says the guy who refuses to watch Solo because his issue with "supporting Disney with their implementation of their left wing ideas"

That's the problem with so many folks who oppose those crazy radical "left wing ideas" (like not hating someone for who they are or what they do for a living), it's not enough to simply oppose.....which is your right. You feel the need to try and suppress the viewpoints of those you disagree with.

I'm not going to get into politics any more than you clearly have, other than to say that I'm very much reminded of the folks who will stop at nothing to suppress the minority vote, under the guise of "voter fraud".

Yeah, I won't support ideas that go against my religion, if you were a Christian like me, you'd understand.

Wait, what about Solo did you not like?

Robosexuals?

What do you think of Beauty and the Beast? Unacceptable?

Robots need love too!

I don't think anything... the question was posed regarding what a Christian would find offensive... robosexuals would offend many Christians (not to mention a host of other religions). Beauty and the Beast is Disney's lovely ode to Stockholm Syndrome... and technically the "beast" is actually a cursed human prince... while in the case of star wars, the robot is a robot.

Can’t they just... toughen up?

Ya, they should... I don't think you should let religious dogma run your life.

I watched it. I am a Christian. I think they just made up that sexuality to appeal to a larger crowd. I am a Christian, but I do not tell anyone what path they should choose. If Jared decides that he should not watch the movie because he believes that it is wrong. More power to him. I don't go see movies that use God's or Jesus' name as a swear word. We, as Christians and humans, all have things that convict us. Please do not start a religious war on this forum.

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