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December CC

My Advice for Dice- prioritize offline!

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  • Kyle2295 wrote: »
    In a one word summary, the game is boring. Strip away its over the top graphics and its just not fun to play. It does not even come remotley close to the enjoyment of the originals that the game is named after.

    Now, it is mine and many others opinion, that the original battlefront 2 from 2005 was the best way to experience star wars through a gaming platform. And your battlefront game should strive to hit the same feeling that that game gave us.

    So, here are 5 essential things this game, or the next, needs to match the feeling of the originals:
    - predominantley offline focus
    - large, fully open maps
    - much more content
    - vehicles you can get in and out from
    - galactic conquest

    Star wars battlefront players have many different needs: people who like online, vs offline, people who like quick games, vs long games, people who like strict canon in games, vs people who like to be free to do whatever, people who aren't so good, vs people who are, people who like competetive play, vs people who like casual or roleplaying.

    Thats a lot more needs than any other game, and its a hole heap of needs that are completly oppositional. That heavily constricts the game. By trying to please every one, you end up pleasing noone.

    That leads me to the biggest mistake in this game, the online focus. Online is the worst way to deal with this intricate situation of opposing needs.

    You guys make one small change to the multiplayer, people rage, you change it back, the other people rage. A continuous cycle. For example, you guys recently revealed new skins in the patch 1.2, something people have been asking for. A half of thevpeople want absolute freedom to play as lukes hoth skin where ever they want, the other half only wants to see that skin on hoth and hoth only. No matter what you guys do, prepare to cop some backlash.

    The solution to all this is simple, make offline the focus. Then people wont have to deal with one anothers different views or play styles. The competitive can play that way or play multiplayer as a side addition, the casual can play casual, roleplayers can roleplay, people who want to play the empire vs the clones can do that, people who don't dont have to. Its so simple.

    I think you guys would be surprised by the amount of skin purches you could get through microtransactions aswell. With less funds spent on extreme online maintenance, you could build loads of purchaseable content like maps and skins. They would work just like toys and merchandise and people would love them.

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    Just make a newer and better version of the original single player game and people will keep coming back to it for generations, like the original. Thats alot of microtransaction purchase potential.

    Offline opens up the market significantly aswell. Many kids who arent aloud online could play the game, and maybe there parents would let them buy there favorite skin if they new it wasnt some gambling lootbox. And kids are the key to star wars merchandise.

    You could still have multiplayer, but dont focus the game on it, rather have it as an optional side thing.

    Offline could allow for more open maps which were always the best in og battlefront, plus star wars is filled with open maps so 1 its unavoidable, 2 its what people like in star wars. Seeing massive scale wars in space with big ships flying past that you want to get into.

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    Which leads me onto the next thing, accessible vehicles. People love pretending to land there ship like a jedi, enter the ground battle, then take off again like it was a mission or something, or dropping troopers off onto the 'battlefront'. It opens up the world so much more. You dont feel so restricted. You feel like you could just take off and fly to a new planet at any moment.

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    GALACTIC CONQUEST. Galatic conquest was one of the flagships of og battlefront. It offered such a rich star warsy feel. Being the rebels and narrowly taking a planet from the empire, one by one. Then when you think you almost done for and you become a hero and easily take down 50 men. That was awesome! Online doesnt allow for the heroes to have quite that smae feeling like being able to mow down heaps of ai. Thats the kind of thing that makes you want to come back to the game.

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    Offline would also allow for the heavily requested hanger to hanger space battles. That was probably the most notable and memorable part of og battlefront, and its no longing here.. what? Of course online is to blame for that one aswell. You guys said so yourselves...

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    So theres my take on the situation. It seems a very simple answer to me that you guys dice and ea seem to find to scary to delve into. I heard the dice said they dont want to make a battlefiekd reskin, well here you go... make an offline game thats your experience in battlefield could still help with. Also, this could easily build back your reputation as developers of the star wars franchise and other games.

    So, if you want to know why this game does not even nearly reach the levels of enjoyment and replayability of the originals, heres the answer: it is not nearly similar enough to the originals as it should be. You've taken away and changed everything great about those games and gave us this.

    So I urge you to make the game more like the originals and more offline oriented in the future.

    Thanks.

    I totally agree, your post made so much sense @Kyle2295
  • tankertoad
    6409 posts Member
    vyrjola wrote: »
    This is very true. The real fans of Battlefront wanted to have at least the same features that the originals had, such as Instant action, galactic conquest etc. It wouldn't have been that hard to make this happen while also expanding on online features that the new BF2 has.

    Sadly, the new battlefront games (barely can call them that) are made to please modern ADHD kids with their momma's wallet.

    I strongly believe, that if this game even had GA and SA for offline, it would not have been such a disaster at launch. Why is that? Well because then the REAL battlefront fans could have just jumped into the battle of Hoth for an example. The REAL Star Wars fans want to get in on battle of Endor at their will. But no. You can't do that offline. Also not in online until the map rotation lands on that.

    And that EA / Dice is why you fail.

    This is extremely judgemental and condescending. There are plenty of real fans That want to play the way they want to play. This is a multiplayer title.

    This is a terrible argument saying that only fans a 2005 know what's best.
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  • Darkhand_9 wrote: »
    KlownShueS wrote: »
    OP I feel your pain but really what could we say and do to change this? Unfortunately the people that keep coming up with their "vision" of a game or movie are the.... Can I say 5% of the star wars fans and lost what Lucas had intended . Lucas had a vision for games and movies and to be realistic those in charge think of money and don't realize what a great thing is. So we get what we get. Remove how much money we will get and politic mentality and games and movies will sale off the shelves. Even Lucas at first didn't think star wars would do well he just wanted to tale his story. Empire was for the fans and so was Jedi. The episodes was to capture the hearts of the original fans kids so his fans can share that world with their kids. But now just like the games it's about money and what they think the %ag of what think is a favorable amount want. Which every release of a game or movie sales go down.

    But what can we do about? Not buy a game because its not exactly what it's to be like in our eyes? Not go see a movie because they changed the great characters from heroic that's every part of them to less than OK?

    The choice is yours to make not because someone say so but what your heart feels. So keep expressing yourself! If it's by wallet or voice.

    And just to let everyone know I am black and I to feel robbed by star wars!

    I'm sorry, but what are you trying to say?

    It's what it is you can't change the way the game is made and it's useless to change how something is developed. All though I agree if the OP
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  • Kyle2295
    254 posts Member
    AuraStorm wrote: »
    Kyle2295 wrote: »
    tankertoad wrote: »
    I don't think you're getting it. If you don't want a multiplayer game, then you want another game. This is a multiplayer game.

    Your post should be titled - what I would like in a Star Wars offline game. And there's nothing wrong with that. A lot of people do I'm sure. But this is a multiplayer game and the lack of focus on that, and all the distractions, and all the cooks in the kitchen have really ruined it

    No, I don't think you get it. Battlefront was originally an offline game. Everyone loved them, thats why EA and Dice have made new ones. But now they are online instead. What my thread is saying is it should revert back to offline to solve loads of unnecessary problems and give lots more potential. You're right to say I don't want this game, I want the game that it should be, and used to be. The game that everyone expected when it was announced by EA.

    The original BF2 had online play even on the PS2 if you wired it up

    And it was quite fun, the servers had pretty decent size for a 2005 game

    That being said, please don't judge the originals under rose colored glasses. Graphics aside, the AI was absolutely terrible, the heros were mostly copy and pasted from each other, and the maps were just copy and pasted color pallets, with no pop

    I know it did, but realistically that wasn't the focus at all. And yeah, I think thats what the online should ve like now; just maybe have 5 or 10 real players amongst massive AI battlefield.

    Yes, looking back at the game now it is super clear to see all that, but thats just what I mean, you take the essential parts of that game and actually gice it high graphics, distinct heroes, good AI etc. Thats what everyone imagined when the 2015 battlefront was first announced.
  • tankertoad wrote: »
    vyrjola wrote: »
    This is very true. The real fans of Battlefront wanted to have at least the same features that the originals had, such as Instant action, galactic conquest etc. It wouldn't have been that hard to make this happen while also expanding on online features that the new BF2 has.

    Sadly, the new battlefront games (barely can call them that) are made to please modern ADHD kids with their momma's wallet.

    I strongly believe, that if this game even had GA and SA for offline, it would not have been such a disaster at launch. Why is that? Well because then the REAL battlefront fans could have just jumped into the battle of Hoth for an example. The REAL Star Wars fans want to get in on battle of Endor at their will. But no. You can't do that offline. Also not in online until the map rotation lands on that.

    And that EA / Dice is why you fail.

    This is extremely judgemental and condescending. There are plenty of real fans That want to play the way they want to play. This is a multiplayer title.

    This is a terrible argument saying that only fans a 2005 know what's best.

    That is fair, but not everyone is online only either.
  • Piscettios
    6126 posts Member
    Prioritize Offline?

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  • Piscettios wrote: »
    Prioritize Offline?

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  • Kyle2295
    254 posts Member
    edited June 2018
    Piscettios wrote: »
    Prioritize Offline?

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  • Kyle2295 wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    Prioritize Offline?

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    ?
  • Kyle2295
    254 posts Member
    Darkhand_9 wrote: »
    Kyle2295 wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    Prioritize Offline?

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    ?

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  • Kyle2295 wrote: »
    Darkhand_9 wrote: »
    Kyle2295 wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    Prioritize Offline?

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    It's a scence from rogue one when darth vader chokes krennic

    I know, my "?" was if what you meant by it. Sorry it got lost on me...
  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    All they need to do is make galactic assault playable offline. And galactic conquest online. That's it.
  • Saber91 wrote: »
    All they need to do is make galactic assault playable offline. And galactic conquest online. That's it.

    I think I could give this a try.

    I would add being able level characters/classes, as well as being able to complete some other milestones.
    Some hero milestones would be nice. Rarely getting heroes is bad enough for me...
    Not ALL mind you, I'm realistic and willing to compromise. But some of these are just luck based.
  • Saber91 wrote: »
    All they need to do is make galactic assault playable offline. And galactic conquest online. That's it.

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    Galactic assault offline is unquestionably needed yes, but I think there could be more.
  • bfloo
    16073 posts Member
    Saber91 wrote: »
    All they need to do is make galactic assault playable offline. And galactic conquest online. That's it.

    Galactic assault not being offline was an ai issue, like they had with the hero ai.

    I remember they said Han kept shoulder barging into suicide, I think the GA issue was something with the launchers. It came up somewhere in the youtube videos that came out around launch if anyone really wants to search for them.
    I don't want to search :p
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  • And I mean... EA know all well that they can make money from offline based games by just implementing skins or whatever eg fifa.
  • !!!!!!!! Hey dicccccce... I'll be expecting an offline focus on the next battlefront game you do or it's a no buy.
  • bfloo
    16073 posts Member
    Kyle2295 wrote: »
    !!!!!!!! Hey dicccccce... I'll be expecting an offline focus on the next battlefront game you do or it's a no buy.

    I hate to break it to you, but Dice isn't a offline focused studio.

    They do mp shooters, in the case of Battlefield, very well.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    Kyle2295 wrote: »
    !!!!!!!! Hey dicccccce... I'll be expecting an offline focus on the next battlefront game you do or it's a no buy.

    I hate to break it to you, but Dice isn't a offline focused studio.

    They do mp shooters, in the case of Battlefield, very well.

    Um no no they don't in my opinion.
    Ubisoft does great online games.
    I would of gave the contract to ubisoft or rockstar or even activation imo.

    Yes ea/dice got some of the best graphics out there. But when was the last time they came out with a game polished before a launch? I mean a shooter with no glitches bugs or something did not work right? Graphics can carry you only so far. What about playablity or access for players?

    Like I said its just my opinion. Ea/dice graphics rockstars story activisions gun play with ubisoft map design well heck that would be a real star wars game.
  • bfloo wrote: »
    Kyle2295 wrote: »
    !!!!!!!! Hey dicccccce... I'll be expecting an offline focus on the next battlefront game you do or it's a no buy.

    I hate to break it to you, but Dice isn't a offline focused studio.

    They do mp shooters, in the case of Battlefield, very well.

    So true. That's why I don't want them making battlefront. Rise again great pandemic! Our creator
  • Blazur
    4468 posts Member
    Kyle2295 wrote: »
    !!!!!!!! Hey dicccccce... I'll be expecting an offline focus on the next battlefront game you do or it's a no buy.

    Who are you kidding, you'll still buy it. After all you willingly funded this game.
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  • 100% agree. The first thing they should roll out is the large scale offline mode and from there they can work :)
  • I think offline is going to get some love here soon. The top of this page has a mod post asking about arcade....
  • Blazur wrote: »
    Kyle2295 wrote: »
    !!!!!!!! Hey dicccccce... I'll be expecting an offline focus on the next battlefront game you do or it's a no buy.

    Who are you kidding, you'll still buy it. After all you willingly funded this game.

    Yeah, I preordered this game not knowing the absolute insane lack of content in arcade. 4 maps available, no straighter, tiny maps. It was a joke. Especially considering offline was what the originals were all about.
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