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How to do episode 9 and "fix" episode 7 and 8

SrawDawg
493 posts Member
Now this is merely my opinion, and I'm just throwing a bone out here. Take it with a grain of salt. Its just An idea or concept how they "could" theoretically do episode 9. So keep that in mind.

I think in all honesty something "like" this is gonna play out in the story.


You say that either Luke or Rey had some kind of dream and the events of episode 7 and 8 have not happened yet. This way there is still a death star (starkiller base) for the finale and the full cast though some are not with us still.

Alternate realities, dreams, etc etc etc...

Then the new characters and old can properly all get together.

While your at it....you could scratch all the "first order" designs of the tie fighters and at sts and at ats and stormtrooper uniforms and just use the original ones. Say the FO inherited all that stuff from the empire?


If any of you with authority here feel this gives anything away then by all means delete this thread...

Well its just a thought..

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  • Evazan127
    8105 posts Member
    I don’t understand what the goal of this is. Please explain more.
  • LaurenXIV
    444 posts Member
    I really dont think they are likely to pull something like that. Sorry :/


    They will have spent a lot of money and time on designs and costumes etc and there isnt a reason to remove it all and replace it with the old Empire things. What purpose would it serve? The First Order isnt the Empire, it would be incredibly confusing and weird. The new Stormtrooper designs etc are amazing... not sure of the purpose, could you explain???

    The "its all a dream" idea... Even if you ignore how it's one of the weakest narrative devices of all time, they will have wasted the audience's time/money in two movies of a trilogy. Literally, the audience will have been paying for something that never happened... twice. It would be a publicity nightmare and soooooooooo many fans would complain, rightfully so. And because Rey/Luke are force users so their dreams would be presumably prophetic, it would really ruin episode IX. Firstly, you would be replacing episode VII with... a movie almost identical to episode VII. Secondly, Rey/Luke would know Kylo's exact actions and those of the First Order, meaning that victory would literally be the easiest thing ever and the movie would have no suspense or great combat sequences. It would just be an easy win for the Resistance. Not entirely sure what the purpose would be either. :/ Sorry.

    Im wondering why you feel this way? Did you disapprove of the way the sequel trilogy handled the OT characters or do you just dislike the movies overall? :/
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  • Cad_Bane
    6252 posts Member
    edited July 2018
    There’s no fixing episode 7 or 8 for me. Regardless of what happens in 9, What they’ve did in the previous movies isn’t fixable.
  • LaurenXIV
    444 posts Member
    Cad_Bane wrote: »
    There’s no fixing episode 7 or 8 for me. Regardless of what happens in 9, What they’ve did in the previous movies isn’t fixable.

    Can you explain why you dont like them? :/
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  • Cad_Bane
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    edited July 2018
    LaurenXIV wrote: »
    Cad_Bane wrote: »
    There’s no fixing episode 7 or 8 for me. Regardless of what happens in 9, What they’ve did in the previous movies isn’t fixable.

    Can you explain why you dont like them? :/

    Multiple reasons.

    - I don’t find the new characters that interesting. (Except Kylo, but that’s just mainly because he’s a Skywalker)
    - Episode 7 failed to introduce a cool post war setting.
    - Episode 7’s resemblance to ANH.
    - Episode 7 hit a reset on the events of the OT by destroying the new republic with one simple scene. It makes the certain events of the OT not seem as meaningful now. Now after episode 8, we are basically back to the rebel alliance vs the empire yet again. The resistance has been reduced to a small fleet of rebels who seem insignificant against The FO.
    - Episode 8 portrayal of Luke may be my most hated portrayal of a character ever. How they portrayed him was shameful IMO. The moment he threw his original lightsaber over his back set the theme of the entire film for me.
    - Episode 8 just wasn’t that much of a enjoyable movie for me. The plot was kinda all over the place and it included a lot of scenes (such as the casino scenes) that didn’t seem necessary.
    - The fact that we won’t have a reunion between the 3 original characters (han Leia Luke) is shameful and such a missed opportunity. This is one of the biggest reasons why I’ll always have disdain for the ST.

    I could go on but I won’t. There’s many smaller details I don’t like about the ST but could simply overlook them if I actually enjoyed the story. Some like it and may see things differently. But Unfortunately I don’t enjoy the ST that much and really don’t like the direction they’ve took things.
  • bfloo
    14100 posts Member
    LaurenXIV wrote: »
    Cad_Bane wrote: »
    There’s no fixing episode 7 or 8 for me. Regardless of what happens in 9, What they’ve did in the previous movies isn’t fixable.

    Can you explain why you dont like them? :/

    JJ threw in shallow stereotypes for his characters and didn't bother to give any reason to care about them.

    They made the OT a complete waste of time.

    They made the Star Wars galaxy tiny, the Clone Wars took a few years, the GCW took a few years, and there were wars that lasted at least a century in the old canon. The FO took over in a week with the worst military minds in Star Wars. They managed to make Bombad General Jar Jar look good, which I never thought would be possible.

    TLJ was poorly paced, by the time it got to fight scenes towards the end I'd completely lost interest.

    Snoke was the only legit threat, and they killed him. crylo isn't a threat, Rey already smashed him the first time she tried to use a lightsaber (apparently Luke was a terrible teacher since his best student got schooled by someone who was untrained).

    The way JJ ended tfa tied rian's hands time wise. Finn took a major spinal injury, crylo had a few cuts on his face, plus the shot to the side from the bowcaster which ohk's every one else and both were up and about in under a week.

    Now Ep 9 basically picks up where RotS ended, again.
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  • SrawDawg
    493 posts Member
    "Please explain..."

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    If....the ideas of the people are listened to for games and movies then I'm just throwing out ideas of how it "could" be fixed from a story telling perspective. So that its all more canon..

    Of course there will be some that say "What is there to fix?" And if you feel that way that is fine. This post will not interest you.


    Episode 7 didn't really "do" anything and played it safe. The basic SW formula was intact...........stormtroopers, lightsabers, Jedi's, and a death star.

    Episode 8 has terrible physics and SW cannon. What was done to Luke Skywalker's character was a terribly missed opportunity IMO. What was done to Admiral Ackbar's character was also a terribly missed opportunity IMO. Copying a plotline from one of the TV Stargate movies (being tracked through FTL or lightspeed) and being on the run till the gas runs out was also not original.


    I watched Episode 8 again the other day on Netflix (as I refuse to buy it on DVD or bluray), surprisingly I didn't feel as bad about it as I thought I would when I watched it again. There are many vloggers out there that have pointed out tons wrong with Episode 8.

    But It wasn't exactly those things that bothered me, It was other things that I did seem to notice this time....technical things that seem like bad decisions production wise. At times there was a vacuum of space, at other times people freely walked about like it was Spaceballs. A big problem also was the canon fire that the FO destroyers fired at the fleeing resistance ship, the canon fire behaved like it was a ship at sea, first going up, then down, as if a gravity well from a giant body underneath was pulling the projectile or plasma down. But I'm not answering this for a review of some kind. But just to further explain a few concepts.

    I will divide this into TWO dreams, Luke's dream, and Rey's dream. They each have consequences.

    Luke's dream - After the events at his Jedi training facility Luke isolates himself on the island and from the force (and everyone else too). We are taken back to a point a bit before Episode 7. Finn has not yet defected, Rey is strong but still misguided and needs teaching (which Luke will ultimately provide). Poe is still the arrogant ace pilot filling in Wedge Antilles shoes. Kylo Ren is a malevolent force user struggling between light and dark. Luke could possibly have visions about Rey though he doesn't know her name , just the coming of a powerful force user. And maybe that vision is so strong that Luke wants to seek her out as bad as she wants to seek him, and maybe they meet up in the middle somewhere somehow? Kylo Ren might be a whole lot more menacing then he currently is? With Palpatine, Vader, Obi-Wan, and Yoda gone, perhaps all those powers and energies went to Kylo or Rey?

    Somehow......all the characters get together, in order to fight. The death star *ahem* starkiller base might not be called that but just simply death star. The First Order might simply be called the Empire and the Resistance might simply be called the Rebellion. And things might look the way they always did, or divide the brand even further with "new" looks for "old" stuff.

    - consequence - shifting or altering the currently established franchise but saving it nevertheless



    Rey's dream - And this is a bit harsh, there never was a Luke Skywalker, or a Darth Vader, Kylo Ren has a different daddy (maybe doesn't know his daddy?). And the original trilogy and prequels are sealed and done. This is an entirely alternate universe Star Wars. Which is what I think should have been done originally if we are going for next generation here, and make SW movies every year till the end of time. This way how can you go wrong? If its got lightsabers, Jedis, sith, stormtroopers, tie fighters, x wings, star destroyers, death stars, etc etc...



    - consequence - terminating the connection to all classic SW to make it its own, new and fresh





    At the end of the day, it is just a movie, and it really doesn't matter what I or anyone else out here thinks. Since we are not officially connected to this stuff in any way shape or fashion. So it is just our opinions.

    Hollywood has proven time and again they are going to do what they want to do, regardless of the past already established, and the majority of public opinions.








    TL&DR - The Force Awakens is decent and safe for a millenial-esque popcorn munching SW movie experience (that ignores past accomplishments and establishments) but adds little overall save a few new characters, The Last Jedi has terrible and atrocious decisions and missed opportunities (far too many to list, just check out a few "angry" reviews), a dream or alternate reality concept seems to be the only logical way to move forward and keep it all together at this point. I theorize something like that or in the ballpark of that is what Episode 9 will contain.




  • I like the idea of resetting those movies as force visions on steroids from Rey or Luke but instead of totally changing everything like the names of FO and resistance and all that, just have the character try to alter the events. Maybe the resistance Is struggling and Leia wishes luke was around and suddenly there he is and he knows all about starkillet and exactly how to destroy it, and both the resistance and new republic attack before it ever fires. Basically while Han, chewie, Rey, Finn, and BB-8 are dealing with rathtars or on takodana everyone else destroys starkiller. Idk, but the idea is the events of 7 and 8 go faster and easier and we get better developed characters and fights
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  • SrawDawg
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    I like the idea of resetting those movies as force visions on steroids from Rey or Luke but instead of totally changing everything like the names of FO and resistance and all that, just have the character try to alter the events. Maybe the resistance Is struggling and Leia wishes luke was around and suddenly there he is and he knows all about starkillet and exactly how to destroy it, and both the resistance and new republic attack before it ever fires. Basically while Han, chewie, Rey, Finn, and BB-8 are dealing with rathtars or on takodana everyone else destroys starkiller. Idk, but the idea is the events of 7 and 8 go faster and easier and we get better developed characters and fights

    Yeah exactly. This movie would be a chance to "fix" things, and I actually think it makes sense as a force vision thing.
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  • bfloo
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    SrawDawg wrote: »
    I like the idea of resetting those movies as force visions on steroids from Rey or Luke but instead of totally changing everything like the names of FO and resistance and all that, just have the character try to alter the events. Maybe the resistance Is struggling and Leia wishes luke was around and suddenly there he is and he knows all about starkillet and exactly how to destroy it, and both the resistance and new republic attack before it ever fires. Basically while Han, chewie, Rey, Finn, and BB-8 are dealing with rathtars or on takodana everyone else destroys starkiller. Idk, but the idea is the events of 7 and 8 go faster and easier and we get better developed characters and fights

    Yeah exactly. This movie would be a chance to "fix" things, and I actually think it makes sense as a force vision thing.

    jj could never pull that off.
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  • SrawDawg
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    Why did you die, Carrie? WHY!? :cry:

    Perhaps she already filmed things for episode 9 that we or nobody has any idea about.

    And I don't think we have any say so about dying, I think that is ultimately up to God, when the breath of life is removed from our flesh.
  • SrawDawg
    493 posts Member
    edited July 2018
    bfloo wrote: »
    SrawDawg wrote: »
    I like the idea of resetting those movies as force visions on steroids from Rey or Luke but instead of totally changing everything like the names of FO and resistance and all that, just have the character try to alter the events. Maybe the resistance Is struggling and Leia wishes luke was around and suddenly there he is and he knows all about starkillet and exactly how to destroy it, and both the resistance and new republic attack before it ever fires. Basically while Han, chewie, Rey, Finn, and BB-8 are dealing with rathtars or on takodana everyone else destroys starkiller. Idk, but the idea is the events of 7 and 8 go faster and easier and we get better developed characters and fights

    Yeah exactly. This movie would be a chance to "fix" things, and I actually think it makes sense as a force vision thing.

    jj could never pull that off.

    Then that must mean you do not have faith in his director and producer abilities. But you do think that someone out there could right?
  • bfloo
    14100 posts Member
    SrawDawg wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    SrawDawg wrote: »
    I like the idea of resetting those movies as force visions on steroids from Rey or Luke but instead of totally changing everything like the names of FO and resistance and all that, just have the character try to alter the events. Maybe the resistance Is struggling and Leia wishes luke was around and suddenly there he is and he knows all about starkillet and exactly how to destroy it, and both the resistance and new republic attack before it ever fires. Basically while Han, chewie, Rey, Finn, and BB-8 are dealing with rathtars or on takodana everyone else destroys starkiller. Idk, but the idea is the events of 7 and 8 go faster and easier and we get better developed characters and fights

    Yeah exactly. This movie would be a chance to "fix" things, and I actually think it makes sense as a force vision thing.

    jj could never pull that off.

    Then that must mean you do not have faith in his director and producer abilities. But you do think that someone out there could right?

    Plenty can.

    Look at solo fun time, Ron Howard turned that debacle into a fun flick. Gareth did a great job.

    jj and rian have done a terrible job.
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  • But what if Rob Zombie directed it?
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  • Evazan127
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    Cad_Bane wrote: »
    LaurenXIV wrote: »
    Cad_Bane wrote: »
    There’s no fixing episode 7 or 8 for me. Regardless of what happens in 9, What they’ve did in the previous movies isn’t fixable.

    Can you explain why you dont like them? :/

    Multiple reasons.

    - I don’t find the new characters that interesting. (Except Kylo, but that’s just mainly because he’s a Skywalker)
    - Episode 7 failed to introduce a cool post war setting.
    - Episode 7’s resemblance to ANH.
    - Episode 7 hit a reset on the events of the OT by destroying the new republic with one simple scene. It makes the certain events of the OT not seem as meaningful now. Now after episode 8, we are basically back to the rebel alliance vs the empire yet again. The resistance has been reduced to a small fleet of rebels who seem insignificant against The FO.
    - Episode 8 portrayal of Luke may be my most hated portrayal of a character ever. How they portrayed him was shameful IMO. The moment he threw his original lightsaber over his back set the theme of the entire film for me.
    - Episode 8 just wasn’t that much of a enjoyable movie for me. The plot was kinda all over the place and it included a lot of scenes (such as the casino scenes) that didn’t seem necessary.
    - The fact that we won’t have a reunion between the 3 original characters (han Leia Luke) is shameful and such a missed opportunity. This is one of the biggest reasons why I’ll always have disdain for the ST.

    I could go on but I won’t. There’s many smaller details I don’t like about the ST but could simply overlook them if I actually enjoyed the story. Some like it and may see things differently. But Unfortunately I don’t enjoy the ST that much and really don’t like the direction they’ve took things.
    I agree with your criticism of TFA but I think Luke staying isolated and dying for the rebellion* was good. Also Harrison Ford was not gonna do another movie so...

    *But the rebellion definitely should not have been reborn
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