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Anyone else think specialist with 150 health, infiltration and a280cfe is a little too good? (IMO)

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First off I never thought the specialist was weak.

I honestly think specialist is too good right now. The specialist is a sniper class and yet the a280cfe (with burst mode of course) is very good at close and medium range and not at all terrible at long range. Then comes the infiltration which grants you extra movement speed and is basically a shotgun. You can one-burst people at close range.

Then the nasty cheese combo: Infiltration and personal-shield combined with starcards that give you extra melee damage and you can easily kill a blaster hero at full health. All this and still 150 health? seriously?


Thoughts?

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  • I think they need to tweak hardened infiltration to account for 150 health, but otherwise they're fine.
  • il96
    575 posts Member
    Oh they're perfect! The cards are basically useless tho. I use Bounty Hunter, Stealth, and Expert Weapon Handling (Reset heat on Headshot). NT for camp sniping (need a high vantage point) and the burst fire A280 for more of a assaulting role but not CQC.

    Vanguard may beat Infiltration 90% of the time unless you have the range in your favor. but the Burst fire A280 punches more then the Assaults version.
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  • Yeah, the Specialist is good at the moment. But the community was begging Dice to buff it for months. They needed this. I can handle them perfectly fine with any class. People are starting to realize new ways to kill them. Don't worry. Just practice strategies on how to kill them. I did, and now I don't usually lose to Specialists.
    What I am trying to say is that the Specialist isn't op, as some people suppose. It is fine.

    Its not that I don't know how to kill them. But seeing a sniperclass which are not meant to be running around on the field like assault and heavy do better than assault IMO thats pretty dumb
  • Chut, don't say it ! Let the people play the bland Assault class :smiley:
  • Lee1981
    1985 posts Member
    You know the “sniper” class has been messed up when the class is now as powerful or more so than the classes meant to be superior at close quarters

    Another thing wrong with the game
  • Midichlorian
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    edited August 2018
    It's only really good for the right player. Unlike how any noob could dominate with supercharged sentry+marksman bug at launch.
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  • I can't even get infiltration to work half the time.
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  • Empire_TW
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    Dash wrote: »
    The Specialist is THE class that needs the most love. It still to this very day suffers from Multiple card issues. Not to mention some of the cards that actually Do function are worthless. I disagree OP.

    What? You don't like the zappy grenade and the repulser "cannon"?

    He also needs buffs for some of his other guns.
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  • Just because a Specialist with the melee build is annoying, does not make it overpowered. There is a big difference.

    Take a look at some of the stun threads for other examples. Annoying? Yes. Overpowered? No.
  • Devlin21
    8328 posts Member
    Lee1981 wrote: »
    You know the “sniper” class has been messed up when the class is now as powerful or more so than the classes meant to be superior at close quarters

    Another thing wrong with the game

    Yea, i just love sniping with the ee-4 and ca-87.
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  • Kerle
    427 posts Member
    Lee1981 wrote: »
    You know the “sniper” class has been messed up when the class is now as powerful or more so than the classes meant to be superior at close quarters

    Another thing wrong with the game

    You know its actually called "Specialist" and not "Sniper Class"?

    Also, the specialist is just fine. After all, it'd nominate the specialist to be the most balanced thing in the game right now. Except for a lot of useless star cards, his abilitites and weapons overall are just fine and he can perform just fine.
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  • Clone201
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    edited August 2018
    It's not overpowered (or too good)... but a health buff rather than to try out buffing up some star card and weapons beforehand was not a good (or the best) move in my opinion.

    I mean, you're still stuck with a garbage grenade, a worthless default gun, a trash repulsor toy, etc... I mean, they took the easy way out that time.

    As much as the class was supposedly considered ''vulnerable in close quarters'' by the game, that logic was thrown out the window when the buff happened.
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    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • No....
  • Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

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    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.
  • Kerle
    427 posts Member
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

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    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    The A280-CFE is not a sniper rifle, its terrible on long distances and easily outperformed by the S-5 and the EL-16HFE.
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  • Clone201
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    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

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    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    It's not just a sniper. It has multiple roles aside from snipe.
    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • JawaLover wrote: »
    Yeah, the Specialist is good at the moment. But the community was begging Dice to buff it for months. They needed this. I can handle them perfectly fine with any class. People are starting to realize new ways to kill them. Don't worry. Just practice strategies on how to kill them. I did, and now I don't usually lose to Specialists.
    What I am trying to say is that the Specialist isn't op, as some people suppose. It is fine.

    Its not that I don't know how to kill them. But seeing a sniperclass which are not meant to be running around on the field like assault and heavy do better than assault IMO thats pretty dumb

    Why would a ”sniperclass” have a class specific card that grants a bonus to melee damage? It’s because the Specialist is not a sniper class, it’s a scout class. And a scout class needs to be able to move up front, why we have the A280-CFE and 150hp.

    or another reason may be that, when they made the specialist it only had 100 HP and giving it extra melee damage for close quarters would make up for the mostly long range weapons?

    You're telling me a class with 3 snipers is not a sniper class?
  • Kerle wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

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    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    The A280-CFE is not a sniper rifle, its terrible on long distances and easily outperformed by the S-5 and the EL-16HFE.

    I wasn't talking about the a280 right there
  • Clone201 wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

    c6clcpn7u78q.gif

    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    It's not just a sniper. It has multiple roles aside from snipe.

    I can agree on that. But people claiming specialist is not a sniper class even though it has 3 snipers is rubbish
  • Devlin21
    8328 posts Member
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Clone201 wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

    c6clcpn7u78q.gif

    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    It's not just a sniper. It has multiple roles aside from snipe.

    I can agree on that. But people claiming specialist is not a sniper class even though it has 3 snipers is rubbish

    Its not just a sniper class.
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  • JawaLover wrote: »
    Clone201 wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

    c6clcpn7u78q.gif

    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    It's not just a sniper. It has multiple roles aside from snipe.

    I can agree on that. But people claiming specialist is not a sniper class even though it has 3 snipers is rubbish

    Its not just a sniper class.

    Yeah I just agreed on that if you read the comment i responded to
  • Clone201
    3842 posts Member
    edited August 2018
    il96 wrote: »
    Vanguard may beat Infiltration

    Not if it's Hardened Infiltration. It will allow you to survive a single shot of Vanguard 90% of the time at close range and defeat the Assault user.

    Not only that, Infiltration offers more room for error (higher rate of fire), spots enemies on minimap, and two-shots whenever you can land the hits.



    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • JawaLover wrote: »
    Yeah, the Specialist is good at the moment. But the community was begging Dice to buff it for months. They needed this. I can handle them perfectly fine with any class. People are starting to realize new ways to kill them. Don't worry. Just practice strategies on how to kill them. I did, and now I don't usually lose to Specialists.
    What I am trying to say is that the Specialist isn't op, as some people suppose. It is fine.

    Its not that I don't know how to kill them. But seeing a sniperclass which are not meant to be running around on the field like assault and heavy do better than assault IMO thats pretty dumb

    Which is convenient, because I can do the job of a Specialist, with an Assault trooper. You can use a trooper however you want, it all depends on how effective you are with that trooper. By the argument that they are only meant to be snipers, Specialists would be useless on several maps, like Jabba's Palace. If people want to be versatile, then let them.
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  • The Specialist is fine, imo... buffing some of its abilities is necessary, and the melee bug needs fixing, but for the most part everything is good. It takes a good player to use the specialist atm, because it isnt necessarily... specialized for the type of combat you'll see in most maps.

    I usually have Stealth, Resourceful and Trip Mine.

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  • He’s powerful, but definitely not OP. His real drawback is scoring points.

    And lol at “sniper class.” His “signature” ability is specific to CQC.
  • Evazan127
    8105 posts Member
    edited August 2018
    I say start off with some changes to nerf the bubble melee strategy, a number of things could be done to nerf it. Then monitor it and see if other aspects of the specialist need nerfing.


    It’s almost indisputable that the A280CFE and NT-242 are better than the other 2 snipers so the weapons could be the next target spot for balance changes.

  • Piscettios wrote: »
    Kerle wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

    c6clcpn7u78q.gif

    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    The A280-CFE is not a sniper rifle, its terrible on long distances and easily outperformed by the S-5 and the EL-16HFE.

    The default rifle isn't a sniper either. It's just a really spammy semiauto that's really only viable out to mid range.

    Officer's S5 and Assaults EL-16HFE are way better at long range than literally half of the specialist's guns, but no one's crying about those "close range" classes being able to snipe people.

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    So because its semi-auto its not a sniper? the NT-242 is technically semi auto as well
  • Evazan127
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    Kerle wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

    c6clcpn7u78q.gif

    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    The A280-CFE is not a sniper rifle, its terrible on long distances and easily outperformed by the S-5 and the EL-16HFE.

    The default rifle isn't a sniper either. It's just a really spammy semiauto that's really only viable out to mid range.

    Officer's S5 and Assaults EL-16HFE are way better at long range than literally half of the specialist's guns, but no one's crying about those "close range" classes being able to snipe people.
    Because those guns are balanced fine. Just the default weapon and possibly IQA need a buff.
  • Clone201
    3842 posts Member
    edited August 2018

    Officer's S5 and Assaults EL-16HFE are way better at long range than literally half of the specialist's guns, but no one's crying about those "close range" classes being able to snipe people.

    Let's not forget the projectiles fired from Specialists travel much faster and have no damage drop off (except, A280 rifle). They're more effective at the longest range than the two weapons you mention, even with or without mods. It's just the skill gap profile...
    Evazan127 wrote: »
    Because those guns are balanced fine. Just the default weapon and possibly IQA need a buff.

    This, plus shock grenade and repulsor cannon are in need of buffs as well.

    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    Kerle wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

    c6clcpn7u78q.gif

    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    The A280-CFE is not a sniper rifle, its terrible on long distances and easily outperformed by the S-5 and the EL-16HFE.

    The default rifle isn't a sniper either. It's just a really spammy semiauto that's really only viable out to mid range.

    Officer's S5 and Assaults EL-16HFE are way better at long range than literally half of the specialist's guns, but no one's crying about those "close range" classes being able to snipe people.

    srujzcmqnc93.gif

    So because its semi-auto its not a sniper? the NT-242 is technically semi auto as well

    It's less of sniper than those Officer and Assault weapons are (A280c with dual zoom and extended range mod is also better), at least as far as actually being effective for downing targets at long range is concerned.

    Mind you, I don't think it's bad thing that classes have overlap and can be played more than one "approved" way.

    NT and IQA are snipers, but the other two Specialist rifles really aren't, at least from shooter design perspective. 280CFE is assault rifle and default gun is like the semiauto battle rifle (think like Medic class rifles in Battlefield 1, or Battle Rifle/DMR in Halo) more for medium range than sniping.
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  • I hate, hate, hate snipers.

    Which is a shame, because I really, really loved Battlefield One's themes and the historical context, but I cannot stand dealing with snipers. It's just not fun to be picked off before you can even do anything after spawning in.

    So, anything that keeps snipers close-range, where I can easily handle them, I'll take.
  • bfloo
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    JawaLover wrote: »
    Clone201 wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

    c6clcpn7u78q.gif

    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    It's not just a sniper. It has multiple roles aside from snipe.

    I can agree on that. But people claiming specialist is not a sniper class even though it has 3 snipers is rubbish

    It is a scout class.
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  • Evazan127
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    Ciena_Ree wrote: »
    I hate, hate, hate snipers.

    Which is a shame, because I really, really loved Battlefield One's themes and the historical context, but I cannot stand dealing with snipers. It's just not fun to be picked off before you can even do anything after spawning in.

    So, anything that keeps snipers close-range, where I can easily handle them, I'll take.
    Yea the OHK from snipers can be quite annoying.

    It makes sense in real life but in games it seems stupid that the fastest potential TTK is at infinite range.
  • Dash wrote: »
    The Specialist is THE class that needs the most love. It still to this very day suffers from Multiple card issues. Not to mention some of the cards that actually Do function are worthless. I disagree OP.

    I agree. I’ve started playing this class because of the health adjustment. As you’ve stated, can someone tell me if Killstreak Infiltration works at all. And also, I really want the Repulse Rifle to be any kind of effective. If someone has suggestions I’d love to hear them.
  • bfloo wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Clone201 wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    Piscettios wrote: »
    JawaLover wrote: »
    The specialist is a sniper class

    c6clcpn7u78q.gif

    So you're telling me the class with three snipers is not a sniper class? Ok then.

    It's not just a sniper. It has multiple roles aside from snipe.

    I can agree on that. But people claiming specialist is not a sniper class even though it has 3 snipers is rubbish

    It is a scout class.

    Yes. I like to think of it as a hybrid special forces class. Hence the word special in specialist. Advanced hand to hand combat, sniper rifles but also effective in CqC. Radar infiltration. Scout + sniper + advanced hand to hand. Special forces. Specialist.
  • I'm glad a lot of the people commenting recognise the state of the specialist class at the moment. It's good to see the majority seem to agree it's not OP and is fine as is.
    Leave the specialist class alone.
  • The health increase makes them actually usable and not a troll niche pick. Otherwise, they're just barely competitive with the Assault Class, and that's only because I'm decent at headshots. Most people struggle to do anything noteworthy, as evidenced by the 4-5 useless Specialists on both teams that camp in the back of Jakku and actually think they're contributing to the team. Which they're not.
  • Specialist is fine imo. Just needs ALOT of star card adjustments, like with Killstreak infiltration being completely nonfunctional, or how the Infiltration ability doesn't spot enemies on the minimap.

    But other than that, very good & fun class to play.
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  • honestly think they should of never buffed them to 150 HP.
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