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My semi-realistic hopes for Clone skins

Here's what I'm hoping we get for clone skins:

Legions as map defaults:
  • KASHYYYK has 41st Elite in green camo
  • KAMINO alternates between:
    - - Phase-1 unmarked shinies (but Officers are armored, with green stripes!), and
    - - Phase-2 501st Elite, Wookiees become ARC Troopers or Galactic Marines
  • THEED could really be almost any legion. Maybe have it randomly alternate between all the other legions, one time it's the 212th Attack Battalion, one time it's the 104th Wolfpack Squadron, one time it's the 327th Star Corps, etc.
  • I'd really like to see most or at least some maps opened up to all eras, at least on Blast and Strike and a few other modes. This could give us the 501st Elite on Yavin, the 212th Attack Battalion in Mos Eisley, the 104th Wolfpack on Takodana, the 21st Nova Corps on Kessel, the 501st Elite in Jabba's Palace, the 65th Coruscant Guard on Jakku, the 327th Star Corps on Bespin, and the 91st Recon on Crait.
  • Not to mention opening up maps from the campaign. The 327th on Pillio, the 501st (or 187th??) on Vardos, the 41st Elite on Endor, etc.

ASSAULT CUSTOMIZATION
  • "Boots", solid color - Common / 5k
  • "Gloves", solid color - Common / 5k
  • Shoulder color solid - Common / 5k
  • Knee color solid - Common / 5k
  • Helmet marking, thick vertical center line - Common / 5k
  • Helmet marking, red crest line - Common / 5k
  • Helmet marking, three diagonal lines under eye - Uncommon / 10k
  • Republic Crest on helmet - Uncommon / 10k
  • ARC Trooper - Assault level 50, Epic / 40k - blue markings override legion color, black pauldron (from Specialist) with blue markings, black kama, helmet with visor and antenna, extra pouches and ammo
  • Jaig Eyes - Assault level 70, Epic / 40k

HEAVY CUSTOMIZATION
  • (They should remove the kama and visor from the default Heavy)
  • Chest chevron, up - Common / 5k
  • Chest chevron, down - Common / 5k
  • Helmet color, solid top - Common / 5k
  • Helmet color, "muzzle" - Common / 5k
  • Republic Crest on chest - Uncommon / 10k
  • Reinforced helmet - Rare / 20k -
  • AT-RT Driver - Heavy level 40, Rare / 20k - special helmet, harness, backpack
  • Paratrooper - Heavy level 70, Epic / 40k - special helmet, straps, kama
  • Jaig Eyes - Heavy level 70, Epic / 40k

OFFICER CUSTOMIZATION
  • Clone Medical Officer - Rare / 20k - white uniform
  • Republic Navy Officer, human - Officer Level 40, Rare / 20k - grey uniform, all human heads, male and female
  • Republic Navy Officer, Rodian - Officer level 50, Rare / 20k - gray uniform
  • Republic Navy Officer, Zabrak - Officer level 50, Rare / 20k - gray uniform
  • Republic Navy Officer, Mirialan - Officer level 50, Rare / 20k - gray uniform
  • Clone Captain, full armor - Officer level 70, Legendary / 80k - pauldron from Specialist, visor and kama from heavy, Captain markings that show up in default legion color

SPECIALIST CUSTOMIZATION
  • (They should remove the binocs and pauldron from the default Specialist)
  • Helmet markings, thin - Common / 5k
  • Leg markings, thin - Common / 5k
  • Arm markings, thin - Common / 5k
  • Binocs (up) - Uncommon / 10k
  • Binocs (down) - Uncommon / 10k
  • Scout / Dogtrooper helmet - Rare / 20k
  • BARC helmet - Specialist level 70, Epic / 40k
  • ARF Trooper - Specialist level 60, Epic / 40k - special helmet, mottled camo armor
  • Jaig Eyes - Specialist level 70, Epic / 40k

ENFORCER CUSTOMIZATION
  • Galactic Marine Captain - Legendary / 80k -
  • ARC Heavy Gunner - Enforcer Level 10, Legendary / 80k -
  • Republic Commando - Enforcer level 22, Legendary / 80k -

I had to choose: hope for the bare minimum and hopefully avoid being disappointed, or hope for more and go big? I went big(ish) , because at this point they HAVE TO provide a good number of decent customizations in order to maintain player interest and make money. For later customization drops, they can add loads of other armor markings, different straps and bandoliers, new markings for the different helmet types, etc.

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  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    Image examples incoming
  • DrX2345
    2888 posts Member
    Nice. Hoping it's either like this, or these options but in a bunch of different pre-made skins (like you've done with the Clone Captain skin). At this point, as long as it's not legion skins I'll be happy lol.
    As you probably already know, I think the default Republic Enforcer should be the Galactic Marines with a DC-15 blaster and a Droid Popper stun/damage grenade, with Wookiees available on Kashyyyk. Whether that'll be the case, I don't know (unfortunately I suspect not) but I still hope that we might get that in future.
    I think this might be the better system, as it does allow for more customisation options to be added later without needing to purchase more whole skins like with pre-mades (although that might be better, idk) but I hope that if this game does get support for longer than just the start of 2019 then at some point we'll be able to see battles going on with unique clone armours, but all in the same legion.
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  • I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.

    As opposed to the 50 skins they released a few months ago?
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  • I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.

    As opposed to the 50 skins they released a few months ago?

    They were the same skin applied to each class. Still only 8? in total
  • Azelrazel wrote: »
    I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.

    As opposed to the 50 skins they released a few months ago?

    They were the same skin applied to each class. Still only 8? in total

    They are releasing clone skins for every class. With new Clone Skins coming with every content release. I don't think they would have put that on the roadmap, if they were only going to be like 3 skins for each class.
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    Give me an Old Luke skin, and we will be best friends. He is the only one I plan on buying with real $. :-)
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  • DrX2345
    2888 posts Member
    Azelrazel wrote: »
    I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.

    As opposed to the 50 skins they released a few months ago?

    They were the same skin applied to each class. Still only 8? in total

    They are releasing clone skins for every class. With new Clone Skins coming with every content release. I don't think they would have put that on the roadmap, if they were only going to be like 3 skins for each class.
    Me neither. It's the same as the whole 'Geonosis will be multi-level' thing (idk if you saw my thread, but I think there'll be like two large maps on Geo, Arena/Plains and Droid Factory) - some people think it just means 'oh there'll be two different heights, like a mezzanine floor' but I really don't think they'd mention something like that in the initial statement.
    OOM19 wrote: »

    Imagine it

    A horde of Bipedal Millennium Falcons with cheeseburgers for legs
    If there seems to be random words or phrases in my post that don't make sense, blame Autocorrect.
    #COOMCAIBDJF
  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    edited August 2018
    Yeah, they dropped 50 skins last time. With something they actually made a main feature on the roadmap, I'd think they'll at LEAST match that.
    Post edited by JackTHorn on
  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    What they really need to do is drop like 100 skins of varying rarities, get people spending real-world money -- gotta get something to pay the devs with! Get some content going!
  • AzorAhai
    1030 posts Member
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    HEAVY CUSTOMIZATION
    • Jaig Eyes - Heavy level 70, Epic / 40k

    Jaig eyes for my heavy. Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. You just made my day.
  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    AzorAhai wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    HEAVY CUSTOMIZATION
    • Jaig Eyes - Heavy level 70, Epic / 40k
    Jaig eyes for my heavy. Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. You just made my day.
    Glad to be of service. =)

    Wouldn't it be cool if Jaig Eyes got into the customization??
  • AzorAhai
    1030 posts Member
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    AzorAhai wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    HEAVY CUSTOMIZATION
    • Jaig Eyes - Heavy level 70, Epic / 40k
    Jaig eyes for my heavy. Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. You just made my day.
    Glad to be of service. =)

    Wouldn't it be cool if Jaig Eyes got into the customization??

    Everything you listed would be great. I just lost it when I saw Jaig eyes under Heavy. Lol. Galactic Marines, Republic Commandos. Republic crests. Oh man. So much potential. I don't know if it would be profitable for EA, or what. All I know is it wouldn't be profitable for me at all.
  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    edited August 2018
    Added and changed a few things (in italics):

    Legions as map defaults:
    • KASHYYYK has 41st Elite in green camo - but current Green Company skins are also available as alternates
    • KAMINO alternates between:
      - - Phase-1 unmarked shinies (but Officers are armored, with green stripes!),
      - - and Phase-2 501st Elite.
      - - Wookiees become Galactic Marines or ARC Troopers
    • THEED could really be almost any legion. Maybe have it randomly alternate between all the other legions, one time it's the 212th Attack Battalion, one time it's the 104th Wolfpack Squadron, one time it's the 327th Star Corps, etc.
    • I'd really like to see most or at least some maps opened up to all eras, at least on Blast and Strike and a few other modes. This could give us the 501st Elite on Yavin, the 212th Attack Battalion in Mos Eisley, the 104th Wolfpack on Takodana, the 21st Nova Corps on Kessel, the 501st Elite in Jabba's Palace, the 65th Coruscant Guard on Jakku, the 327th Star Corps on Bespin, and the 91st Recon on Crait.
    • Not to mention opening up maps from the campaign. The 327th on Pillio, the 501st (or 187th??) on Vardos, the 41st Elite on Endor, etc.

    ASSAULT CUSTOMIZATION
    • "Boots", solid color - Common / 5k
    • "Gloves", solid color - Common / 5k
    • Shoulder color solid - Common / 5k
    • Knee color solid - Common / 5k
    • Helmet marking, thick vertical center line - Common / 5k
    • Helmet marking, red crest line - Common / 5k - regardless of legion colors
    • Helmet marking, three diagonal lines under eye - Uncommon / 10k
    • Republic Crest on helmet - Assault level 30, Uncommon / 10k
    • 104th Wolfpack Trooper - Assault level 50, Rare / 20k - plain white armor, elaborate gray markings (I don't mind if one or two legions become buyable skins, especially if it's one of the legions known for assisting other clone forces.)
    • ARC Trooper - Assault level 60, Epic / 40k - blue markings override legion color, black pauldron (from Specialist) with blue markings, black kama, helmet with visor and antenna, extra pouches and ammo - similar P1 version for phase-1 maps
    • Jaig Eyes - Assault level 70, Epic / 40k

    HEAVY CUSTOMIZATION
    • (They should remove the kama and visor from the default Heavy)
    • Chest chevron, up - Common / 5k
    • Chest chevron, down - Common / 5k
    • Helmet color, solid top - Common / 5k
    • Helmet color, "muzzle" - Common / 5k
    • Republic Crest on chest - Uncommon / 10k
    • Reinforced helmet - Rare / 20k -
    • AT-RT Driver - Heavy level 40, Rare / 20k - special helmet, harness, backpack
    • Paratrooper - Heavy level 70, Epic / 40k - special helmet, straps, kama
    • Jaig Eyes - Heavy level 70, Epic / 40k

    OFFICER CUSTOMIZATION
    • Clone Medical Officer - Rare / 20k - white uniform - becomes an armored Clone Officer with blue stripes for phase-1 maps
    • Republic Navy Officer, human - Officer Level 40, Rare / 20k - grey uniform, all human heads, male and female
    • Republic Navy Officer, Rodian - Officer level 50, Rare / 20k - gray uniform
    • Republic Navy Officer, Zabrak - Officer level 50, Rare / 20k - gray uniform
    • Republic Navy Officer, Mirialan - Officer level 50, Rare / 20k - gray uniform
    • Clone Captain, full armor - Officer level 70, Legendary / 80k - pauldron from Specialist, visor and kama from heavy, Captain markings that show up in default legion color - becomes an armored Clone Officer with red stripes for phase-1 maps

    SPECIALIST CUSTOMIZATION
    • (They should remove the binocs and pauldron from the default Specialist)
    • Helmet markings, thin - Common / 5k
    • Leg markings, thin - Common / 5k
    • Arm markings, thin - Common / 5k
    • Binocs (up) - Uncommon / 10k
    • Binocs (down) - Uncommon / 10k
    • Scout / Dogtrooper helmet - Rare / 20k
    • 91st Recon - Assault level 50, Rare / 20k - plain white armor, BARC helmet, small red circular markings (I don't mind if one or two legions become buyable skins, especially if it's one of the legions known for assisting other clone forces.)
    • BARC helmet - Specialist level 60, Epic / 40k
    • ARF Trooper - Specialist level 70, Epic / 40k - special helmet, mottled camo armor
    • Jaig Eyes - Specialist level 70, Epic / 40k
  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    AzorAhai wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    AzorAhai wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    HEAVY CUSTOMIZATION
    • Jaig Eyes - Heavy level 70, Epic / 40k
    Jaig eyes for my heavy. Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. You just made my day.
    Glad to be of service. =)

    Wouldn't it be cool if Jaig Eyes got into the customization??
    Everything you listed would be great. I just lost it when I saw Jaig eyes under Heavy. Lol. Galactic Marines, Republic Commandos. Republic crests. Oh man. So much potential. I don't know if it would be profitable for EA, or what. All I know is it wouldn't be profitable for me at all.
    I know. Sometimes I'm not sure it's a great idea, listing all this stuff to give them ideas. If they did them all, I'd end up broke for a while.
  • DrX2345 wrote: »
    I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.
    What is this whole thing with you (and other members of the community) being so **** pessimistic? Like, OK, I know the game hasn't been handled super well, but it's not been absolutely shocking. Presumably they've been working on the clone customisation on and off since before the initial customisation update, so why would there be only two or three skins? Honestly it's just pretty toxic, no wonder a lot of people dislike the gaming community (and the Star Wars community as well actually. Sometimes I'm just in disbelief at how **** people are, like sending death threats to whoever played Rose Tico in TLJ because they didn't like the character. Sure, I didn't like the character either, but death threats? C'mon, it's not like she wrote the character and I think she did a good job playing the role even if the role was bad).

    I'm fully agreed with you man, it's just so toxic nowadays. Still, that's not the purpose of this thread.

    I hope we get the comprehensive Clone customisation you want, Jack, I really do. I might disagree with you on a number of issues, but at this point I can't bring myself to care. I'd just like something large and suitable for the wait we've been through.
  • You're expecting way too much. I'm 100% sure we are just getting a few pre made skins with no chance of modifying. You can get 501st or 41st armor but you wont customize the gloves, boots, or helmets.
  • I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.

    Unfortunately, I think you're right. Maybe more than 3, possibly 5-6.
  • Azelrazel wrote: »
    I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.

    As opposed to the 50 skins they released a few months ago?

    They were the same skin applied to each class. Still only 8? in total

    They are releasing clone skins for every class. With new Clone Skins coming with every content release. I don't think they would have put that on the roadmap, if they were only going to be like 3 skins for each class.

    But if they only release 3 skins per class. Even if they're the same 3 skins for each class, they've then released 12 skins to us. Then next month another 12 skins. I'm just hoping things have been changed since the leak. Helmets and what not.
  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    Techkiddz wrote: »
    You're expecting way too much.
    Youre 100% they're going to go from dropping 50 skins last April to dribbling out 12 now? In their big roadmap customization push?

    If they have ANY interest in having this game succeed, they need to drop AT LEAST the same amount of skins as they did in April.
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    Techkiddz wrote: »
    You're expecting way too much.
    Youre 100% they're going to go from dropping 50 skins last April to dribbling out 12 now? In their big roadmap customization push?

    If they have ANY interest in having this game succeed, they need to drop AT LEAST the same amount of skins as they did in April.

    Arguably more than April
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  • DarthJ
    5399 posts Member
    I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.

    As much as I like your ideas OP, and would love that level of customization, it will probably be the above.

    Out of the 8 or 9 clone skins that were datamined, it will be 2-3 for the August update, 2-3 in Autumn, 2-3 in Winter. And people running around with different legion skins in the battle.
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  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    DarthJ wrote: »
    I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.

    As much as I like your ideas OP, and would love that level of customization, it will probably be the above.

    Out of the 8 or 9 clone skins that were datamined, it will be 2-3 for the August update, 2-3 in Autumn, 2-3 in Winter. And people running around with different legion skins in the battle.
    Ugh. I really, really hope not. Because not only would it suck, but it'd be one more nail in this game's coffin.

    The way I see it is this: I suggested 36 skins, way less than what is really needed to be a decent drop. 20 of those are just drawing little lines on the existing armor, I could do all of those myself with GIMP and a free week. 5 are recolored skins that reuse current assets, I could probably do those in that same week. 5 or 6 of them are half-creations like new helmets. 2 are full-skin armor art, same as the little lines but more extensive -- but like the other legion skins, they've had those mostly done since the game released.

    And yes, the remaining 4 are full-out creations requiring new models as well as skins: the ARC Trooper, Paratrooper, Clone Captain, and ARF Trooper. But even a lot of that has already been done... the ARC's pauldron is currently on the Specialist, the kama and visor are in use on the Heavy, all that really needs created is the antenna. Same with the Clone Captain. The paratrooper and ARF are basically just new helmets with a few straps and some art decoration.

    So I don't see it being all that much. Really, they should double the number of little customization options, the ones that are just drawing lines and shapes on armor. Recolor those few officer uniforms, swap around some heads and elements. Make the 6 new helmets. That's about it. It's really not asking too much.
  • JackTHorn
    3361 posts Member
    Ciena_Ree wrote: »
    DrX2345 wrote: »
    I’m sorry but I’m going to be honest, this amount of skins is very much unrealistic. If you’d want to be realistic with DICE and EA, expect 2-3 Clone skins.
    What is this whole thing with you (and other members of the community) being so **** pessimistic? Like, OK, I know the game hasn't been handled super well, but it's not been absolutely shocking. Presumably they've been working on the clone customisation on and off since before the initial customisation update, so why would there be only two or three skins? Honestly it's just pretty toxic, no wonder a lot of people dislike the gaming community (and the Star Wars community as well actually. Sometimes I'm just in disbelief at how **** people are, like sending death threats to whoever played Rose Tico in TLJ because they didn't like the character. Sure, I didn't like the character either, but death threats? C'mon, it's not like she wrote the character and I think she did a good job playing the role even if the role was bad).
    I'm fully agreed with you man, it's just so toxic nowadays. Still, that's not the purpose of this thread.

    I hope we get the comprehensive Clone customisation you want, Jack, I really do. I might disagree with you on a number of issues, but at this point I can't bring myself to care. I'd just like something large and suitable for the wait we've been through.
    Yeah, I'm half-numb too. I'm just tired of being disappointed. I'm really hoping they step up, this stuff could be a free throw with very little effort required, if they just muster up the will to do it.

    Honestly, they really shouldn't be stopping at clones, regardless of what the roadmap says. With the same simple easy methods of recoloring and using existing assets, they could give us 3-6 new Officer skins per faction, able to show off rank, with a day's work -- black Stormtrooper Officer uniform, olive green Imperial Army, grey Imperial Navy, versions of each of them with field armor.

    Then there's pauldrons for the Assault class, that's three skins each for Imperials and First Order. New aliens, old aliens, a handful of specialty jobs like the Nova Guard Trooper, the Rebel and Resistance Infiltrators, some Pilots for every faction, the Storm Commando, the Tank Trooper, the Imperial Navy Gunner, the Navy Trooper. Ugh. So much that would even be that much effort.

    Incidentally, Ciena, Olive-Branch of Friendly Social Interaction +3? I think we got off on the wrong foot before.
  • This is nice and all but meanwhile the battle droids don’t get one single skin? I hope dice gives them some. If nothing else, at least geonosian colored variants for each class
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  • JackTHorn
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    This is nice and all but meanwhile the battle droids don’t get one single skin? I hope dice gives them some. If nothing else, at least geonosian colored variants for each class
    LOL, I actually was just about to post my Separatist version of this thread. Should be up in a minute.
  • AzorAhai
    1030 posts Member
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    This is nice and all but meanwhile the battle droids don’t get one single skin? I hope dice gives them some. If nothing else, at least geonosian colored variants for each class
    LOL, I actually was just about to post my Separatist version of this thread. Should be up in a minute.

    Bring it!
  • JackTHorn wrote: »
    Techkiddz wrote: »
    You're expecting way too much.
    Youre 100% they're going to go from dropping 50 skins last April to dribbling out 12 now? In their big roadmap customization push?

    If they have ANY interest in having this game succeed, they need to drop AT LEAST the same amount of skins as they did in April.

    I just don't think we'll get in depth customization. We'll probably get pre made clone armor, unable to alter any further.
  • Techkiddz wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Techkiddz wrote: »
    You're expecting way too much.
    Youre 100% they're going to go from dropping 50 skins last April to dribbling out 12 now? In their big roadmap customization push?

    If they have ANY interest in having this game succeed, they need to drop AT LEAST the same amount of skins as they did in April.
    I just don't think we'll get in depth customization. We'll probably get pre made clone armor, unable to alter any further.
    Sadly, that's probably accurate. But the ideas I put forward above could all be done as full skins, too.
  • AzorAhai
    1030 posts Member
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Techkiddz wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Techkiddz wrote: »
    You're expecting way too much.
    Youre 100% they're going to go from dropping 50 skins last April to dribbling out 12 now? In their big roadmap customization push?

    If they have ANY interest in having this game succeed, they need to drop AT LEAST the same amount of skins as they did in April.
    I just don't think we'll get in depth customization. We'll probably get pre made clone armor, unable to alter any further.
    Sadly, that's probably accurate. But the ideas I put forward above could all be done as full skins, too.

    the ideas are solid, but we have no control over their implementation or lack of implementation.
  • AzorAhai wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Techkiddz wrote: »
    JackTHorn wrote: »
    Techkiddz wrote: »
    You're expecting way too much.
    Youre 100% they're going to go from dropping 50 skins last April to dribbling out 12 now? In their big roadmap customization push?

    If they have ANY interest in having this game succeed, they need to drop AT LEAST the same amount of skins as they did in April.
    I just don't think we'll get in depth customization. We'll probably get pre made clone armor, unable to alter any further.
    Sadly, that's probably accurate. But the ideas I put forward above could all be done as full skins, too.

    the ideas are solid, but we have no control over their implementation or lack of implementation.

    Well if we don't have fun with noticing the potential of this game then there would be nothing to talk about.....since Devs don't bother to interact or have conversations with us in this "live service" game.
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