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If you ever take down a Finn with vanguard or another hero, that Finn was not doing his job right, and that team is was most likely getting steamrolled. Let's assume the teams are of equal skill, know how to read radar, and are good shots, and have an equal number of heroes and enforcers, and are playing in any phase of any given map. Let's first examine the Villains that could take down Finn if he has, maybe 10 or seven troopers around him, and one Enforcer (Not really realistic since most games are going to have two heroes for LS and DS, but this is just a comparison)
Vader: Has a small chance, to successfully get to Finn and kill him, considering he has to go through buffed troopers that take up to 3+ swings, all the while rolling and with Finn being able to out damage him if he doesn't have focused rage. Considering that Finn has a Wookie, good luck trying to kill the Wookie who has enough time to activate Overload and burst you to death. Force Choke? Not good idea considering if you miss one trooper your loosing permanent heath, and saber throw won't kill anybody affected by big deal. You're dead in the water. Even if your troops could try and push up, if they can avoid getting destroyed by Thermal imploders, no way they can kill enough troopers to expose Finn, and your Enforcer is probably dying to that Wookie, who can three shot you with overload.
Palps: Dead from deadeye. No way in hell are you getting to kill Finn faster than he can kill you, and that's not counting the troopers that have about 500 health. If the Wookie spots you, your loosing health again. Troopers can't help ya since they can't kill the other troops fast enough, and the troopers can simply spawn on their comrades.
Boba: Again, probably dead from aim bot, and considering that Finn will take minimum damage from the rockets, if he rolls and has big deal on, definitely not killing him,If the Wookie sees you, your getting knocked down on your back. Again, not a favorable match up.
Bossk: Gas isn't going to kill him, your mines only really work if he is pursuing you, which a good Finn won't be doing too often, and he can negate your micro grenade blind by using deadeye. You can't kill enough of the troops, but you could possibly get rid of their armor with Dioxis. You might be able to push if the team loses focus, but again, since of an equal skill level, they know exactly where you are, and Vanguard is very dangerous against you, and they can hunt you down pretty effectively. Bad match up.
Iden: Bad idea, the best thing you got is mortar spam, until someone runs up on ya and you gotta try to protect yourself, but they could just run ion and pop your bubble. Another bad matchup.
Maul: No block, once you run out of spins, dead to any kind of respectful Wookie. Not getting to him in most maps.
Phasma: Don't bother, your gonna get killed as soon as you try to get close.
Kylo: If you get a freeze off, and don't miss anybody, you have a good shot at taking him down. You miss the freeze or he rolls and avoids it, you're a dead man.
Now, most of the DS matchups vs Finn isn't favored. Let's toss in map design. In phase one, most Finns are going to not have as much of a following, so you could take him out. Phase two on all modes is practically a small area, which means defense with Finn becomes nearly unstoppable. Kashyyyk (2nd and third phase), Jakku (First, Second, and third phase), Crait (2nd and third phase), Naboo(Second and third phase), Kamino(First, Second, Third, and FOURTH Phase), Endor(Third Phase) Tattooine (Practically all the phases) Starkiller base (Second and Third Phase) and Yavin (First, Second, and Fourth Phase) Hoth,(Second and third phase) and finally Takodana (First and Third phase).
Out of all those maps, only a few of them are not ideal for Finn to become a Big deal. He is powerful on 7 of 11 maps.
Now, if you throw in a LS hero that is synergistic with Finn (Only zero heroes on the lightside don't have some kind of gimmick with Finn), you get a death wall. We don't even have to have heroes, you could just use Wookies and they would still blow out the DS. If the LS has four heroes and one of them is Finn, DS is losing if they are of equal skill. I have seen this happen time and time again, especially since LS can simply give Finn a recharge and take Big deal out of cooldown. Finn is LS ace in the hole.
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That Specialist rework was disappointing.
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That Specialist rework was disappointing.
I'd definitely be down for that.
So would I.
Concepts for potential maps:
https://battlefront-forums.ea.com/discussion/126706/a-list-of-maps-they-could-add-to-this-game-spoiler-alert-its-a-long-list#latest
Only trash players want it? What the freaky Friday are you talking about? Please tell me you're on Xbox. Please!! We need to play. I need to show you how an elite player can play this game and still want HU to be permanent. "It's funny how only the trash players want this game mode" is the most obnoxiously self-absorbed knuckleheaded comment I think I've seen on the forums yet. Wow.
Your scenarios assume that the player using Finn is doing everything right. I'll record a compilation of Finns getting destroyed and post it for you. I can't count the number of times I've sniped a Finn halfway across the map with an NT.
Like I said, if you’re a Finn getting killed, you deserve it. A good Finn probably won’t be top player, but they shouldn’t die to anybody.
Xbox G-tag
That Specialist rework was disappointing.
So...not on Xbox?
I'm on the PS4.
Well that's unfortunate. I like putting my money where my mouth is. You'll just have to take my word on the FACT that I hang with anyone in this game and HU was more fun than I ever could have anticipated.
And you didn't "strike a nerve" The ignorance of your comment threw me off guard. But I'm composed now.
Heroes Unleashed was fun. Some didnt like it. The majority did.
HU should be its own game mode.
HU in its own game mode will not hurt anyone.
Thank you.
http://bit.ly/2smYu2B playa from day 1 when shift was real
Me trying to decide what I want with all your discussion.
Easy, finish climbing the fence, walk up to me, and shake my hand, I got Cookies and HVV: Legion on my side.
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Please! Please! Please! Make this an optional mode so those who are done playing can freely go back to regular GA and have that option at anytime during any event.
I did read it...
Amen brotha.
Join me, and together we will rule the Galaxy!
The poll is leaning towards a separate game mode for this. So if you’re worried about this replacing GA, don’t be. This mode won’t have any part or affect of/on GA as we’ve always known it.
The game is a Star Wars shooter with Star Wars characters/icons within it. There will be Heroes, there will be shooting, You will always have a CHOICE in what game mode you want to play.
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In the first video i didn't "respawn" from assault, i was afk and it spawns you in as assault by default. I had played specialist for most of the month so was going back to officer. And why wouldn't i boost on spawn? Seems only logical.
And for you to say i'm a hero farmer is just false. I ran to the objective that had 9 enemy members trying to take over the objective. I killed all 9 of them and proceeded to stay at the chokepoint to not allow reinforcment troopers to re-take the objective. If I was farming heros as you call it, I would've respawned as a her the second I had enough points but I went on a 20 player kill streak and only respawned as a hero when I died. So everything you said in your first paragraph is comically wrong.
Also you saying I play the "easiest" way is just sad. Playing "easy" as an officer would be to put down your turrent, buff players and collect points with officers presence. Instead I stood right in enemy lines and killed 20 troopers before dying.
And how is it playing the "easiest" way when I get a 14 eliminations with the NT (not camping in the back and sniping) but actually playing on the objective and being first to a hero and helping my team push on the objective with a hero?
You actually proved my point with your ignorance. I have fun playing MY play style. You can go bash your head agaisnt the wall and have fun for all i care. clearly you're not a very good player and use the "i play for fun" excuse to save face.
The fact of the matter is I can do this on any map with any trooper using any gun. i could care less if they make HU permanent as its own mode but my issue is adding another 40 "Hero" mode thats almost identical to GA will take players away from HVV and GA. The poll indicates less than 50% of the players want this permanent game mode therefore it should not be implemented. If its was 50%+ voting in favor then that would be a different story.
And you can call me easy mode/cheese all you want but you're probably one of the scrubs i stomp on on a daily basis (you and your fanboy groupies). Hope you have fun in the character selection screen cuz thats probably where you spend most of your time.
+1. I’ve already seen them confirm here they can adjust lobby counts. If people are getting empty lobbies in a mode it’s not because there aren’t enough players, it’s from Matchmaking
Your argument is kind of selfish, you know? You don't want the players who enjoy HU to get it because it might take players away from the modes you prefer.
A lot of people aren't playing HvV or GA, anyway. A lot of people aren't playing BF2 anymore at all. There have been many comments on this board with players saying they don't normally play GA, but they played HU and loved it.
I don't play GA or HvV. But I would play HU if it came back.
Why does it have to be 50%+? That's kind of arbitrary. Did 50%+ vote on creating all the other game modes? Anyway, this is a small poll, a sample size of the larger population playing Battlefront 2. It gives an idea of where the general player base stands, but it's by no means perfect. And most of the "trash"/casual players who want HU are probably not on this board or even well represented by this board's population, meaning a larger poll would probably see a higher percentage of people choosing to make HU permanent.
We also do not know how many people didn't vote to make HU permanent because the poll wasn't specific about it not replacing GA. If they specified in the poll that HU would be a separate mode, more players may have chosen to make it permanent.
I don’t make excuses to “save face”. I am a good player. Everyone on this forum has access to my public video library. I have fun whenever I play, and I certainly don’t link videos to a public forum that showcase my bad habits, cheese choices, or lazy tactics, after calling community members “Trash” for wanting something exciting to play.
This was never about You. It was about what you said to everyone else towards how they felt about a game mode. Let them disagree. They’re certainly not “trash players” for doing so. They’re just fellow players with a different opinion than your own.
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cheese choice? lazy tactics?
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You play lazily. There’s no effort put forth by you. Your own videos showcase the same thing. When I play I move in alone when I shouldn’t, I push harder than I should, I do crazy flanks that pay off, I go past what you should go past day in day out because it’s exciting and more difficult. And I certainly don’t pick easy mode heroes. I don’t play it safe like you man. I refuse to keep it simple and easy. I do everything that should be done with a squad as much as I can by myself because it’s FUN, Challenging, and Not easy.
When you can have a conversation with everyone else without flipping out because of a different point of view, maybe people can take you seriously. Trust me I’d know, I’ve been there myself. I’m not mad at you, I don’t hate you, I just disagree with you entirely.
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lmao getting 100+ kills in GA and "no effort put forth by you"
i'm losing brain cells just talking to you
please go away
Again, do that on Phasma without the security blanket of Palpatine’s robes, than you can talk. I pull those numbers daily from different heroes & villains. I play with people that aren’t even on the forums that can play Boba Fett like a GOD and never die.
There’s nothing impressive about 100+ kills streaks with HOK. Nothing is difficult. Why do you think I don’t post high streak videos? They’re BORING. There’s no point in showcasing “how awesome I am” if what I think of myself is only “Top of leaderboards/Biggest score”. That’s ignorance, That’s boring, That is not fun.
Would you like me to get on Bossk and make a needlessly long recording of me Line of sight denying/spawn camping with gas and bombs and Regen breaks every 30 seconds? I can get 140+ kills like that. “Oh I’m so talented”. Get real man. You’re not winning this argument by trying to measure light sabers with me.
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Lol
You can "go away" as well....we've all heard your "feedback" and it's not changing at all. We got it. You can take the squabbles to private message if you can't help yourself.
Exactly. I’d rather him rage at me privately than to call you all trash publicly. This post was derailed the moment someone had a different opinion than him.
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I didn't say you were selfish, I said your argument was selfish. Just like if I say your response to my post was lazy, that's a comment on your response, not you as a whole.
When I comment on this board, I try to suggest what I think will make this game better not just for me but for everyone. If they fix Blast, will I play it? I don't know. I may not. Team deathmatch may not be my thing no matter how it's set up. But I know other people will be happier, and that's a good thing.
The percentage of people who want HU as a permanent mode may be 40%, but the percentage of people who enjoyed the event is 83%. Only 17% didn't enjoy it.
HU being a separate permanent mode would mean it doesn't regularly ruin a weekend of GA for those who prefer things as they are, which should make GA players happy. People who enjoyed HU but can't really play on weekends would be able to play it when they have free time. People who don't play GA but like HU would have a new reason to regularly play BF2. Everyone wins.
right.....please post your vids for proof otherwise git tfo
I can get 100+ kills with any hero, now what?
I like this idea. I suppose you'd have to worry about people either playing only for the occasion it comes up and quitting out or people who don't like it quitting out when it comes out. But personally, I love this idea. Could make it once every 2 maps as far as I'm concerned.
What I think will be fun is if we have a rotating "mutator" mode, if you will. This could offer a temporary way of playing the game with modified game rules while still leaving the original mode/playlist intact.
No. Imagine if Blast or Stike came up every 5th match of Blast or Strike. Or HS and HvV. Folks should be able to play the mode they like without having to wait through matches in a mode that they would prefer not to play.
I have seen @Rivershark56 on the Top enemy team plenty of times, so maybe you need to stop trying to call people out that you haven't even seen play.
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That Specialist rework was disappointing.
You can get 100+ Kills on Boba? Do you have any kind of proof of this with players that can actually aim?
Xbox G-tag
That Specialist rework was disappointing.
so now its my fault the players i get randomly matched up with are trash. the IQ level of some of you is concerningly low
1. Having a Heroes Unleashed event every weekend as a sperate mode to normal GA. That way people can still enjoy Heroes Unleashed at peak time of the week and people who don't enjoy it can still play it everyday and aren't forced to play it.
2. I think it'd be interesting if they increased the GA hero numbers in each phase for normal GA. Instead of just having 2 heros phases 1 and 2, maybe increase phase 1 to 3, phases 2 and 3 to 4 heroes and the last phase to 6. I think it'd feel more like a fun battle that comes to a this grand finale at the end.
That's cool, man. We should play a couple. Thanks for the shout out!
No prob, willing to play a few possibly later, got a lot of work.
Xbox G-tag
That Specialist rework was disappointing.
Even when not during the Heroes Unleashed event, the Heroes during GA's normal routine are still already way too central most of the time (if not all the time) for the match's outcomes when 8 of them (4 on each teams of course) are all active at once in the final phase, so naturally I'm not a big fan of this event. I would've prefer for the Heroes limits to always be 2 for both teams including during the last phase, but that is a different topic to discuss.
However, despite what I just said, I suppose I can at least approve with the idea of making this event permanent as long as it is in a form of another gamemode/entity, and that is something that even I might like to look forward to play it in the future. It's clear to me that the "This event should be made permanent!" in the poll has the most votes, so I believe that this might be the best and only way to do so. There's already a thread about this kind of topic.