criterion-sm dice-lg ea-starwars-lg instagram lucasfilm-lg motive-lg twitch you-tube

What was the reasoning behind each lightsaber user’s saber damage?

Prev13
I’m curious to know what the methodology behind each saber user’s lightsaber damage output is. Currently, here’s the damage output of each saber user’s attack:
* General Grievous- 130/260
* Darth Vader- 120/140
* Yoda- 115/135
* Rey- 110/130
* Luke Skywalker- 100/120
* Kylo Ren- 100/120
* Darth Maul- 100/120

Here’s some additional info on extra buffs to a character’s saber damage through star cards or abilities:
* General Grievous- Sith Trained: +30 saber damage
* Darth Vader- Focused Rage: +15 saber damage
* Yoda- Opposing the Dark Side: +16 saber damage
* Rey- Insight: +10 saber damage, Opportunist: +15 temporary saber damage
* Kylo Ren- Resilience: +20 situational saber damage


So what is the “method to the madness” of these numbers? What is taken into account? I’d assume there’s really two ways to account for this: lore or swing speed.

If you went the lore route, Darth Vader, Yoda, and Luke Skywalker would be at the top and everyone else would fall in line. That’s obviously not how it was set up, though, since all three characters are not at the top.

If you went the swing speed route, you’d have to assume the slowest swingers would hit the hardest. Here’s a list ranking characters’ swing speeds from slowest to fastest:
* Yoda
* Kylo Ren
* Luke Skywalker
* General Grievous
* Darth Vader
* Rey
* Darth Maul

I’d consider Yoda and Kylo’s swing speed to be below-average, Luke and Grievous’ to be average, and Vader, Rey, and Maul’s to be above-average.

If swing speed and abilities were taken into account (I.e. strength and range of abilities), I’d have to assume the list would’ve looked similar to this, in terms of highest to lowest saber damage:
* Kylo Ren
* Yoda
* Luke Skywalker
* General Grievous
* Rey
* Darth Vader
* Darth Maul

But that’s obviously not the case. So can anyone on the development team explain why they gave each value to each character? Why did they give the characters with the highest saber damage additional means to buff their saber damage? Why is General Grievous able to apply double damage from behind while all other characters apply +20 from behind? Where is the logic behind its balance (or lackthereof)?

Thanks for reading!

1b7tam3amcyt.gif

Replies

  • It's completely ridiculous that Rey has more saber damage than Luke. After training for like 5 minutes,
    As above

    It’s just a game
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Lee1981 wrote: »
    It’s just a game, you take it far too serious

    So in the games shouldn't be a logic? Games are builded around rules and reasons. Would be interesting know what are the reasons around the saber damages.
    In my opinion slow character = more damages
    Fast character = less damages
    We are talking about 10-20 difference in damage not 100-200

    Hardly that much of a game changer is it
  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    Lee1981 wrote: »
    It’s just a game, you take it far too serious

    So in the games shouldn't be a logic? Games are builded around rules and reasons. Would be interesting know what are the reasons around the saber damages.
    In my opinion slow character = more damages
    Fast character = less damages
    We are talking about 10-20 difference in damage not 100-200

    Hardly that much of a game changer is it

    Then all sabers should inflict the same number of damages. And anyway 10 or 20 damages can do the difference from victory and defeat.
  • Raices
    1007 posts Member
    That 20 dmg can be the difference of killing someone in some situations. The slowest/bad tracking swings should have the higher dmg output.
  • rollind24
    4901 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    I’m going with mobility has a lot to do with the saber damage.
    #infantrylivesmatter
  • IronSoldier
    3156 posts SWBF Senior Moderator
    Done. Keep it civil. If you dislike another member. Use the ignore function and don't reply to them...
  • NomiSunstrider
    1655 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.
    ''The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is sometimes difficult, but I feel he understood that difference, more than anyone knew. The galaxy would have fallen if he had not gone to war. Perhaps he became the Dark Lord out of necessity to prevent a greater evil''
    9qkoakxcje0l.gif

  • For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi killer than Grievous
  • I've long had the same thought. Why is one lightsaber extra.... laser-y compared to another saber?

    And looking at the monstrous, crackling nature of Kylo's saber, I can only imagine that even a graze or a glancing cut from that thing would hurt a LOT more than one from the "clean" sabers the others all use. One nice thing about the use of Kylo's saber was the ability to use the "exhaust vents" in an offensive way while he had Finn pinned against a tree at Starkiller Base.
    Heart of darkness beateth, Ultima
    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

    22kciqve3jgt.gif
  • MyLittleGreenFriend
    3234 posts Member
    edited November 2018

    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi killer than Grievous

    Not suit Vader.
  • KresusFIN wrote: »
    I've long had the same thought. Why is one lightsaber extra.... laser-y compared to another saber?

    And looking at the monstrous, crackling nature of Kylo's saber, I can only imagine that even a graze or a glancing cut from that thing would hurt a LOT more than one from the "clean" sabers the others all use. One nice thing about the use of Kylo's saber was the ability to use the "exhaust vents" in an offensive way while he had Finn pinned against a tree at Starkiller Base.

    Kylo's lightsaber is unstable, so maybe they could make him have less stamina?
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!
    You guys are gonna make me rich......
    Xbox G-tag
    XJO461
    That Specialist rework was disappointing.
    nceaq2h23fqj.png



  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    "Roses are red. Violets are blue.

    ....

    Master Skywalker. There's too many of them. What are we going to do?"
    Heart of darkness beateth, Ultima
    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

    22kciqve3jgt.gif
  • MC_XIX
    1363 posts Member
    I'm 99% sure Grievous has a slower swing speed than Luke & Kylo Ren. It's about the same as Yoda's. His opening swing animation where he raises both sabers above his head for a downward attack is horribly slow.
  • MC_XIX wrote: »
    I'm 99% sure Grievous has a slower swing speed than Luke & Kylo Ren. It's about the same as Yoda's. His opening swing animation where he raises both sabers above his head for a downward attack is horribly slow.

    I'm 99% sure Yoda's is the slowest in the game.
  • MC_XIX
    1363 posts Member
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    I'm 99% sure Grievous has a slower swing speed than Luke & Kylo Ren. It's about the same as Yoda's. His opening swing animation where he raises both sabers above his head for a downward attack is horribly slow.

    I'm 99% sure Yoda's is the slowest in the game.

    As I said, Grievous' is as slow as Yoda's. Once Grievous gets going his second and third animations are quicker, but his opening swing is much slower than Yoda's.
  • I don't think much thought went into it, they made it and tried (and for the most part failed) to balance it with their abilities.
    Janina Gavankar is my Queen, to her I will always be true and faithful and love all which she loves and shun all which she shuns.
    ige1ne4fsk9m.png
    PSN: Empire_TW. Twitter: Empire_TW. Youtube: Empire_TW.
  • Raices
    1007 posts Member
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    I'm 99% sure Grievous has a slower swing speed than Luke & Kylo Ren. It's about the same as Yoda's. His opening swing animation where he raises both sabers above his head for a downward attack is horribly slow.

    I'm 99% sure Yoda's is the slowest in the game.

    Yoda should have near the same dmg(against villains) as Grievous, he's not as mobile as the other force users and his swings are the slowest.
  • KresusFIN wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    "Roses are red. Violets are blue.

    ....

    Master Skywalker. There's too many of them. What are we going to do?"

    wv31fzo69fu3.gif
    ''The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is sometimes difficult, but I feel he understood that difference, more than anyone knew. The galaxy would have fallen if he had not gone to war. Perhaps he became the Dark Lord out of necessity to prevent a greater evil''
    9qkoakxcje0l.gif

  • KresusFIN wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    "Roses are red. Violets are blue.

    ....

    Master Skywalker. There's too many of them. What are we going to do?"

    Break out the blasters because ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster.
    Janina Gavankar is my Queen, to her I will always be true and faithful and love all which she loves and shun all which she shuns.
    ige1ne4fsk9m.png
    PSN: Empire_TW. Twitter: Empire_TW. Youtube: Empire_TW.
  • hsf_
    1542 posts Member
    Let's be real here...Is a weapon that is designed to slice through anything, going to yield any difference in damage dealt by someone who is "stronger"? The answer is no, so can we please put all saber damage to 150, then adjust the attackspeed to healthpool ratio so that we have a thing called "balance"?
    If you don't understand what I mean then I'll explain...
    The default attackspeed is 1.00 and the default healthpool is 1000 so if you remove 25% of the health, you must buff the attack speed to compensate, the ratio then becomes 1.25AS to 850HP. In reverse it becomes 0.85AS to 1250HP. This is very basic and you may have to play around with the ratio in order to get it properly balanced, for example you may find that the AS buff isn't enough to compensate, so you up the AS a little bit more but keep the health the same.
    The point is that the abilities should define the hero/villain, not the damage of the lightsaber.
  • Landeaux2
    3034 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    I'm 99% sure Grievous has a slower swing speed than Luke & Kylo Ren. It's about the same as Yoda's. His opening swing animation where he raises both sabers above his head for a downward attack is horribly slow.

    Hello! I just tested this out in arcade. First, I did an eyeball test and it seemed like Luke and Kylo had similar swing speeds. Next, I swung 4 times with Kylo to get his stamina to 10 swings then immediately started swinging with Luke. Luke and Kylo each depleted their stamina at the same time. What’s great about the next two comparisons is they each have 10 swings before their stamina is depleted so it’s much easier to compare them. Luke and General Grievous deplete their stamina at the same time. Luke starts out with faster strikes but Grievous has faster swings on the back-end. General Grievous swings much faster than Yoda, as his stamina completely drains once Yoda gets to his seventh swing.

    So it is either Yoda > Kylo > Luke, Grievous or Yoda > Kylo, Luke, Grievous, in terms of slowest to fastest swing speed. I’d be glad to provide video evidence if need be.
  • hsf_ wrote: »
    Let's be real here...Is a weapon that is designed to slice through anything, going to yield any difference in damage dealt by someone who is "stronger"? The answer is no, so can we please put all saber damage to 150, then adjust the attackspeed to healthpool ratio so that we have a thing called "balance"?
    If you don't understand what I mean then I'll explain...
    The default attackspeed is 1.00 and the default healthpool is 1000 so if you remove 25% of the health, you must buff the attack speed to compensate, the ratio then becomes 1.25AS to 850HP. In reverse it becomes 0.85AS to 1250HP. This is very basic and you may have to play around with the ratio in order to get it properly balanced, for example you may find that the AS buff isn't enough to compensate, so you up the AS a little bit more but keep the health the same.
    The point is that the abilities should define the hero/villain, not the damage of the lightsaber.

    This.
  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    KresusFIN wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    "Roses are red. Violets are blue.

    ....

    Master Skywalker. There's too many of them. What are we going to do?"

    Break out the blasters because ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster.

    tenor.gif?itemid=10355600
    Heart of darkness beateth, Ultima
    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

    22kciqve3jgt.gif

  • Why are you taking this so far in this game. It’s just a game please chill bro. No defense.
  • StarWars0525
    2177 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    KresusFIN wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    "Roses are red. Violets are blue.

    ....

    Master Skywalker. There's too many of them. What are we going to do?"

    Break out the blasters because ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster.

    Well it depends on the player. Let’s say Luke Skywalker might be ok or decent on a map like jakku but on a map like bespin in HVV he thrives. One push off the ledge and boom instant death and on the other hand with a villian like Bossk who might not do so well on a map like jakku could thrives in close quarters maps like Death Star. Same with iden who might do well one on one but not so good with a some what good team or rey who can use a mid trick similar to look force push on maps that people can fall off ledges.
    Post edited by StarWars0525 on
  • White_Valkyrie
    51 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    Well based on comments from J.J. Abrams, Rey was a Jedi Master the moment she touched Luke’s Lightsaber. And Rian Johnson suggests that Luke was a crazy, washed up Hermit. Grevious had 4 Lightsabers while most Jedi only have 1. So based on these facts I think everything is perfectly justifiable and stays true to Disney canon.
  • DarthCapa2
    2579 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi killer than Grievous

    Not suit Vader.

    Yes instead suit Vader. In Canon suited Vader killed more jedi than Grievous. And anyway canonically speaking Grievous is nothing compared to Vader. Is Darth Vader to be considered the greater jedi killer in the history, not Grievous.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    If you only consider the films, Grievous don't kill a single jedi on screen.
  • Why are you taking this so far in this game. It’s just a game please chill bro. No offence.
    Fixed

    Who is this directed at?

  • Well based on comments from J.J. Abrams, Rey was a Jedi Master the moment she touched Luke’s Lightsaber.
    Kill.
    And Rian Johnson suggests that Luke was a crazy, washed up Hermit.
    Me.
    perfectly justifiable and stays true to Disney canon.

    Now.
    Heart of darkness beateth, Ultima
    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

    22kciqve3jgt.gif
  • NomiSunstrider
    1655 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi killer than Grievous

    Not suit Vader.

    Yes instead suit Vader. In Canon suited Vader killed more jedi than Grievous. And anyway canonically speaking Grievous is nothing compared to Vader. Is Darth Vader to be considered the greater jedi killer in the history, not Grievous.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    If you only consider the films, Grievous don't kill a single jedi on screen.

    Yeah the New Canon threw everything except the movies and the new CW series and Rebels. So basically Vader didn't kill a single Jedi (if you count Old Ben).
    If you consider the films Grievous has multiple lightsabers attached to him taken from the bodies of the Jedi he has killed. So canonicaly speaking Grievous killed more Jedi than Vader.
    ''The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is sometimes difficult, but I feel he understood that difference, more than anyone knew. The galaxy would have fallen if he had not gone to war. Perhaps he became the Dark Lord out of necessity to prevent a greater evil''
    9qkoakxcje0l.gif

  • Let's not just make this about what is canon and what not, game balance is a more important concern.
    Yes right now Grevious has the highest damage with his saber swings, but he also moves very slow and his swings are slow too, combined with them "not locking on" to enemies. Swinging at somone with Luke while that player tries to run away will kinda pull you too them while swinging, even more so with characters like Vader, Grevious does not have this. You actually need to move after them, dodge forward, jump or whatever gets the gaped closed in that situation.
    Yoda on the other hand may also not have this great "locking on" with his Saber strikes, but he does have the ability to raise his health, even mid fight, plus he moves faster then Grevious.
    Some small tweaks to individual Heros might be justified, but overall i think the Saber Heros are well balanced if played smart, just saber smashing against Grevious or Vader might get a yoda or luke killed, but if you play it smart you also can win against them.
  • SVEJ
    1128 posts Member
    IMO rey should have the lowest saber damage out of all the saber hero/villains, not sure why she is so high it's just dumb, one film and shes stronger than like everyone
  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    KresusFIN wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    "Roses are red. Violets are blue.

    ....

    Master Skywalker. There's too many of them. What are we going to do?"

    Break out the blasters because ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster.

    Well it depends on the player. Let’s say Luke Skywalker might be ok or decent on a map like jakku but on a map like bespin in HVV he strives. One push off the ledge and boom instant death and on the other hand with a villian like Bossk who might not do so well on a map like jakku could strive in close quarters maps like Death Star. Same with iden who might do well one on one but not so good with a some what good team or rey who can use a mid trick similar to look force push on maps that people can fall off ledges.

    Hey man - strive essentially means: to try very hard to achieve something. I think the word you are looking for is thrive

    Regarding saber damage - I assume Grievous does more because he's hitting you with 2 lightsabers - the choices for the rest of the characters doesn't seem to follow any specific logic
  • awakespace wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    KresusFIN wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    "Roses are red. Violets are blue.

    ....

    Master Skywalker. There's too many of them. What are we going to do?"

    Break out the blasters because ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good blaster.

    Well it depends on the player. Let’s say Luke Skywalker might be ok or decent on a map like jakku but on a map like bespin in HVV he strives. One push off the ledge and boom instant death and on the other hand with a villian like Bossk who might not do so well on a map like jakku could strive in close quarters maps like Death Star. Same with iden who might do well one on one but not so good with a some what good team or rey who can use a mid trick similar to look force push on maps that people can fall off ledges.

    Hey man - strive essentially means: to try very hard to achieve something. I think the word you are looking for is thrive

    Regarding saber damage - I assume Grievous does more because he's hitting you with 2 lightsabers - the choices for the rest of the characters doesn't seem to follow any specific logic

    Thank you and yes probably.
  • Honestly, Saber Heroes have appallingly weak DPS and TTK in general. Increasing the damage per swing by any minor amount would only harm Blaster Heroes more, and would basically be indefferent to the lowet health enemies (troopers and Aerial reinforcements).

    The threshold for 2 shoting a 150hp target is 75dmg to 149dmg per swing. In order to 2 shot a 200hp target, the damage per swing needs to be 100dmg to 199dmg. Now, I don't know the exact rate at which saber heroes swing, but its about 2 per second. So, since all saber heroes deal at least 100dmg per swing, it takes a second or so to kill an enemy with 150 to 200hp (at least for most). Due to the fact that people fall in line with dealing 100-130dmg per strike, all that matters really is the swing speed, at least against infantry. This is also considering the enemy doesnt even try to dodge and takes the hits, which will not happen against a competent player. They will at least attempt to dodge put of the way. Since you can dodge 2x in a row, and evade 2 saber strikes, you basically double to triple the TTK.

    Now, while there are mkre factors to put into this, blaster heroes do not have this problem with their blasters. If an enemy rolls, just fix your aim and the shots land and deal damage. You also have range on your side, so you can attack from a safer distance than getting into the fray.

    On the other hand, the only advantage in terms of attack a saber hero has is that they dont have to aim really and their hits induce a stun of sorts. They have less dps than infantry (FAR less than blaster heroes, let alone with headshots), have to get close, and their TTK can be 3x longer if the enemy dodges.

    Here's my solution: reduce/remoce the lock on function and reduce/remove the stun, but add in more distance covered per strike, slightly more damage for everyone, slightly faster swing speed, and a Heavy Attack. The Heavy Attack is just a slower start up light attack, but deals 50% more damage and covers more area. However, it also costs more stamina. These changes would help to make them more of a threat to infantry without completely destroying blaster heroes.
    We need a Tier System for the Heroes. It would justify the "op-ness" of Vader over Han and Chewbacca. It would cost much more to unlock Vader, and would require you to save a lot more than for other heroes and vehicles, but it would be rewarding in the end...

    "It would essentially ruin the eras and turn them into nothing much more than the same thing and same experience but with a different skin. Which is contrary to the point in having eras in the first place." - ZmanGames
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi killer than Grievous

    Not suit Vader.

    Yes instead suit Vader. In Canon suited Vader killed more jedi than Grievous. And anyway canonically speaking Grievous is nothing compared to Vader. Is Darth Vader to be considered the greater jedi killer in the history, not Grievous.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    If you only consider the films, Grievous don't kill a single jedi on screen.

    I've read the comics, maybe Vader killed a few jedi but honestly he's really unimpressive, he lost to Kirak Infil'a and only killed him because Infil'a couldn't let innocent people die.
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi killer than Grievous

    Not suit Vader.

    Yes instead suit Vader. In Canon suited Vader killed more jedi than Grievous. And anyway canonically speaking Grievous is nothing compared to Vader. Is Darth Vader to be considered the greater jedi killer in the history, not Grievous.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    If you only consider the films, Grievous don't kill a single jedi on screen.

    Yeah the New Canon threw everything except the movies and the new CW series and Rebels. So basically Vader didn't kill a single Jedi (if you count Old Ben).
    If you consider the films Grievous has multiple lightsabers attached to him taken from the bodies of the Jedi he has killed. So canonicaly speaking Grievous killed more Jedi than Vader.

    No sorry. Even Comics are Canon. In Canon comics Vader killed severals jedi. And in films anyway Ben Kenobi say that Vader is the guy that help the empire to kill the jedi. If you count the jedi that Grievous kills for his lightsaber you should count even these citated jedies. So again in Canon Vader still kill more jedi.
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi killer than Grievous

    Not suit Vader.

    Yes instead suit Vader. In Canon suited Vader killed more jedi than Grievous. And anyway canonically speaking Grievous is nothing compared to Vader. Is Darth Vader to be considered the greater jedi killer in the history, not Grievous.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    If you only consider the films, Grievous don't kill a single jedi on screen.

    I've read the comics, maybe Vader killed a few jedi but honestly he's really unimpressive, he lost to Kirak Infil'a and only killed him because Infil'a couldn't let innocent people die.

    What? Unimpressive? The new Canon Vader is a beast.
    He lose to Kirak? You count that as a loyal defeat? He was without a lightsaber, he face him already wounded, and you must count the fact that was an early version of Vader, not Vader at his peak.
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi killer than Grievous

    Not suit Vader.

    Yes instead suit Vader. In Canon suited Vader killed more jedi than Grievous. And anyway canonically speaking Grievous is nothing compared to Vader. Is Darth Vader to be considered the greater jedi killer in the history, not Grievous.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    For Grievous's insane saber damage I can only tell that they devised him as a Jedi killer, as for the other's damages I can't really explain it away.

    Tecnically Vader is a bigger jedi Child killer than Grievous

    That part is true, they never stood a chance!

    If you only consider the films, Grievous don't kill a single jedi on screen.

    I've read the comics, maybe Vader killed a few jedi but honestly he's really unimpressive, he lost to Kirak Infil'a and only killed him because Infil'a couldn't let innocent people die.

    To my understanding there was a time jump in the more recent vader comics, they skipped ahead a year after a previous one ended and Palpatine rewarded Vader with Padme's ship and Musafar for doing well in the Jedi Purge.
    Janina Gavankar is my Queen, to her I will always be true and faithful and love all which she loves and shun all which she shuns.
    ige1ne4fsk9m.png
    PSN: Empire_TW. Twitter: Empire_TW. Youtube: Empire_TW.
  • SVEJ wrote: »
    IMO rey should have the lowest saber damage out of all the saber hero/villains, not sure why she is so high it's just dumb, one film and shes stronger than like everyone

    Iden hasn't appeared in any films yet ...
  • SVEJ wrote: »
    IMO rey should have the lowest saber damage out of all the saber hero/villains, not sure why she is so high it's just dumb, one film and shes stronger than like everyone

    Iden hasn't appeared in any films yet ...

    4:23, the novel implies that to be her
    Janina Gavankar is my Queen, to her I will always be true and faithful and love all which she loves and shun all which she shuns.
    ige1ne4fsk9m.png
    PSN: Empire_TW. Twitter: Empire_TW. Youtube: Empire_TW.
  • DarthCapa2 wrote: »
    that was an early version of Vader, not Vader at his peak.

    mf8uetbo53e4.png
    Vader at his peak isn't particularly impressive either tbh... :(
    Heart of darkness beateth, Ultima
    Iron enigma treateth, Ultima
    Shielding light retreateth, Ultima
    Hydaelyn defeated. Ah, Ultima


    The fact is that if you're running it's because you suck, and the game shouldn't pander to players who suck.

    22kciqve3jgt.gif
  • Luke's melee is broken right now anyway so he probably isnt doing as much damage as he should
    Emotion yet Peace, Ignorance yet Knowledge, Passion yet Serenity, Chaos yet Harmony, Death yet the Force
  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    SVEJ wrote: »
    IMO rey should have the lowest saber damage out of all the saber hero/villains, not sure why she is so high it's just dumb, one film and shes stronger than like everyone

    Iden hasn't appeared in any films yet ...

    4:23, the novel implies that to be her

    ok correction

    OTOH Iden appears in a flim for 0.5s before immediately dying, is arguably stronger than Rey
  • SVEJ wrote: »
    IMO rey should have the lowest saber damage out of all the saber hero/villains, not sure why she is so high it's just dumb, one film and shes stronger than like everyone

    (correction)

    OTOH Iden appears in a flim for 0.5s before immediately dying, is arguably stronger than Rey
Sign In or Register to comment.

Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!