Finally heroes unleashed is end, i can return to play.
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It's pretty funny how it's such a big deal to some, huh?
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Yet here you are, coming onto the forums to complain........do you have a real life job?
I come on to the forums all the time while I am working... its amazing.
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Not working enough I guess. 😁
For the forgetful and the new forum members, the above is a link to the poll that illustrated what the majority wanted.
I enjoy this democratic action of the forum, instead of following an oligarchy or dictatorship of some vocal individuals.
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theres nothing false about it really. think about it. theres only ONE reason for them to not make a HU permanent tile for all who enjoy it.
because the playerbase isnt big enough and it will affect the amount of players in other modes. they dont want to admit that, so they just stick with this map rotation nonsense.
A false dilemma is an informal fallacy where you present a situation as only having 2 possibilities (either/or) when more exist... this is exactly what you have done twice now lol... there could be a plethora of reasons for them not to make HU permanent, hence the reason your assertion is the informal fallacy listed above.
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Go ahead and list for me the plethora of reasons
This is almost too easy...
1. Dennis has decided he doesn't want it to be permanent.
2. They transferred the programmers responsible for adding a new game mode tab to heroes to another project.
3. Disney has not approved the addition of it as a permanent new mode.
4. This mode is only serving as a test bed for hero systems in the new mode and thus it isn't worth making it permanent.
5. They are planning on making a new permanent hero mode and have not managed to implement it yet.
6. EA is prohibiting DICE from adding a new permanent game mode that would steal thunder from the new non linear mode.
7. They don't want people to permanently be able to access heroes with such ease in GA.
8. They don't want to utilize the additional servers which may be necessary to support a second concurrent variation of GA.
In short, you are stating in logical terms that "not implementing HU as its own independent mode" is sufficient to conclude the necessary condition with 100% certainty that "their player base is too low to support HU and GA as independent modes"... this is logically fallacious as them not adding a new mode cannot prove the necessary condition you assert it can prove... hence your false dilemma where you present an either/or scenario which is easily shown as NOT being either/or.
In order for your logic to be valid, the only 2 possible valid conditional statements would be:
Sufficent condition: Not implement HU seperately
Necessary Condition: Not enough players
NIHUS ---> NEP
and the contrapositive:
Sufficient condition: Implement HU seperately
Necessary condition: Enough Players
IHUS ---> EP
If you can show anything other than these two scenarios as being possible, then your conclusion is false... so, I could say "they aren't implementing it as its own mode because Disney hasn't approved its permanent addition"... that just showed that you cannot logically conclude the either/or situation you are concluding.
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Most people who don’t like it aren’t asking for it to be taken away from the many players that do enjoy it, they simply don’t want to be forced to either play it or leave the game until it’s gone. I don’t really see how DICE/EA benefits from that either.
Some people claim that regular GA would be dead while the separate HU one is active, and so what? So be it. As someone who hates the event, I wouldn’t like it but I would accept it as the community would have truly and decisively spoken.
What’s the excuse for forcing it on everyone? Laziness? If the player base really can’t handle them being separated and split into 2 different modes, that says a lot about your game, does it not?
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alright so first these mental gymnastics youre doing have no bearing on the truth or my opinion. any rational person would agree that a low playerbase is a big reason not to introduce a new game mode that would further divide it.
second of all, most if not all of the reasons youve put forth are blanket statements that are irrelevant to my assertion that they dont want to affect the dwindling playerbase. but ill entertain you and go down the line and eliminate them one by one
1. blanket statement. (why doesnt he want it as a permanent mode?)
2. this sounds like something you just made up. you act like they need an armada of programmers to add an event, which, is nothing more than a modified stock mode, to the home tiles. they dont.
3. another blanket statement. (why dont they want it as a permanent new mode? what would they lose?)
4. they LITERALLY sent out a poll asking if players wanted this to be a permanent game mode. so your "test" theory is nullified.
5. irrelevant.
6. you actually manage to backup my point here. why would they worry about "thunder" being stolen from a new mode? lol dont they have enough players to support gameplay in ALL their modes? also: when a new mode comes out most if not all of the playerbase is going to play it, regardless if a HU permanent game mode exists.
7. if they didnt want people to access heroes with such ease in galactic assault then why are they considering making this a permanent feature? also, why even do the event in the first place then? on TOP this next one which is cutting the price of heroes in half.
8. what additional servers? you mean the same ones they use for ALL of their "concurrent" modes such as several galactic assaults, several HvV, several SF assaults, several strikes? very trivial reason to not make an event a separate tile. the fact they you even put forth such an argument is silly.
you use "lol" and "too easy" like youre hell bent on proving your argumentative ability, but unfortunately you fall short by over generalizing, as well as attempting to use arithmetic to make baseless claims.
try again.
A false dilemma is an informal fallacy where you present a situation as only having 2 possibilities (either/or) when more exist... this is exactly what you have done twice now lol... there could be a plethora of reasons for them not to make HU permanent, hence the reason your assertion is the informal fallacy listed above.[/quote]
Go ahead and list for me the plethora of reasons[/quote]
This is almost too easy...
1. Dennis has decided he doesn't want it to be permanent.
2. They transferred the programmers responsible for adding a new game mode tab to heroes to another project.
3. Disney has not approved the addition of it as a permanent new mode.
4. This mode is only serving as a test bed for hero systems in the new mode and thus it isn't worth making it permanent.
5. They are planning on making a new permanent hero mode and have not managed to implement it yet.
6. EA is prohibiting DICE from adding a new permanent game mode that would steal thunder from the new non linear mode.
7. They don't want people to permanently be able to access heroes with such ease in GA.
8. They don't want to utilize the additional servers which may be necessary to support a second concurrent variation of GA.
In short, you are stating in logical terms that "not implementing HU as its own independent mode" is sufficient to conclude the necessary condition with 100% certainty that "their player base is too low to support HU and GA as independent modes"... this is logically fallacious as them not adding a new mode cannot prove the necessary condition you assert it can prove... hence your false dilemma where you present an either/or scenario which is easily shown as NOT being either/or.
In order for your logic to be valid, the only 2 possible valid conditional statements would be:
Sufficent condition: Not implement HU seperately
Necessary Condition: Not enough players
NIHUS ---> NEP
and the contrapositive:
Sufficient condition: Implement HU seperately
Necessary condition: Enough Players
IHUS ---> EP
If you can show anything other than these two scenarios as being possible, then your conclusion is false... so, I could say "they aren't implementing it as its own mode because Disney hasn't approved its permanent addition"... that just showed that you cannot logically conclude the either/or situation you are concluding. [/quote]
alright so first these mental gymnastics youre doing have no bearing on the truth or my opinion. . any rational person would agree that a low playerbase is a big reason not to introduce a new game mode that would further divide it.
second of all, most if not all of the reasons youve put forth are blanket statements that are irrelevant to my assertion that they dont want to affect the dwindling playerbase. but ill entertain you and go down the line and eliminate them one by one
1. blanket statement. (why doesnt he want it as a permanent mode?)
2. this sounds like something you just made up. you act like they need an armada of programmers to add an event, which, is nothing more than a modified stock mode, to the home tiles. they dont.
3. another blanket statement. (why dont they want it as a permanent new mode? what would they lose?)
4. they LITERALLY sent out a poll asking if players wanted this to be a permanent game mode. so your "test" theory is nullified.
5. irrelevant.
6. you actually manage to backup my point here. why would they worry about "thunder" being stolen from a new mode? lol dont they have enough players to support gameplay in ALL their modes? also: when a new mode comes out most if not all of the playerbase is going to play it, regardless if a HU permanent game mode exists.
7. if they didnt want people to access heroes with such ease in galactic assault then why are they considering making this a permanent feature? also, why even do the event in the first place then? on TOP this next one which is cutting the price of heroes in half.
8. what additional servers? you mean the same ones they use for ALL of their "concurrent" modes such as several galactic assaults, several HvV, several SF assaults, several strikes? very trivial reason to not make an event a separate tile. the fact they you even put forth such an argument is silly.
you use "lol" and "too easy" like youre hell bent on proving your argumentative ability, but unfortunately you fall short by over generalizing, as well as attempting to use arithmetic to make baseless claims.
try again. [/quote]
Actually, everything he said is completely accurate and there's no need for him to try again.
"any rational person would agree that a low playerbase is a big reason not to introduce a new game mode that would further divide it."
You do realize that a completely new game mode, separate from Galactic Assault, is scheduled to be released in early 2019, right? By your logic, shouldn't they just pull the plug on any or all new game modes?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you're making it sound like an obvious fact. It's not. It's your opinion; and that is a fact. See the difference?
Go ahead and list for me the plethora of reasons[/quote]
This is almost too easy...
1. Dennis has decided he doesn't want it to be permanent.
2. They transferred the programmers responsible for adding a new game mode tab to heroes to another project.
3. Disney has not approved the addition of it as a permanent new mode.
4. This mode is only serving as a test bed for hero systems in the new mode and thus it isn't worth making it permanent.
5. They are planning on making a new permanent hero mode and have not managed to implement it yet.
6. EA is prohibiting DICE from adding a new permanent game mode that would steal thunder from the new non linear mode.
7. They don't want people to permanently be able to access heroes with such ease in GA.
8. They don't want to utilize the additional servers which may be necessary to support a second concurrent variation of GA.
In short, you are stating in logical terms that "not implementing HU as its own independent mode" is sufficient to conclude the necessary condition with 100% certainty that "their player base is too low to support HU and GA as independent modes"... this is logically fallacious as them not adding a new mode cannot prove the necessary condition you assert it can prove... hence your false dilemma where you present an either/or scenario which is easily shown as NOT being either/or.
In order for your logic to be valid, the only 2 possible valid conditional statements would be:
Sufficent condition: Not implement HU seperately
Necessary Condition: Not enough players
NIHUS ---> NEP
and the contrapositive:
Sufficient condition: Implement HU seperately
Necessary condition: Enough Players
IHUS ---> EP
If you can show anything other than these two scenarios as being possible, then your conclusion is false... so, I could say "they aren't implementing it as its own mode because Disney hasn't approved its permanent addition"... that just showed that you cannot logically conclude the either/or situation you are concluding. [/quote]
alright so first these mental gymnastics youre doing have no bearing on the truth or my opinion. . any rational person would agree that a low playerbase is a big reason not to introduce a new game mode that would further divide it.
second of all, most if not all of the reasons youve put forth are blanket statements that are irrelevant to my assertion that they dont want to affect the dwindling playerbase. but ill entertain you and go down the line and eliminate them one by one
1. blanket statement. (why doesnt he want it as a permanent mode?)
2. this sounds like something you just made up. you act like they need an armada of programmers to add an event, which, is nothing more than a modified stock mode, to the home tiles. they dont.
3. another blanket statement. (why dont they want it as a permanent new mode? what would they lose?)
4. they LITERALLY sent out a poll asking if players wanted this to be a permanent game mode. so your "test" theory is nullified.
5. irrelevant.
6. you actually manage to backup my point here. why would they worry about "thunder" being stolen from a new mode? lol dont they have enough players to support gameplay in ALL their modes? also: when a new mode comes out most if not all of the playerbase is going to play it, regardless if a HU permanent game mode exists.
7. if they didnt want people to access heroes with such ease in galactic assault then why are they considering making this a permanent feature? also, why even do the event in the first place then? on TOP this next one which is cutting the price of heroes in half.
8. what additional servers? you mean the same ones they use for ALL of their "concurrent" modes such as several galactic assaults, several HvV, several SF assaults, several strikes? very trivial reason to not make an event a separate tile. the fact they you even put forth such an argument is silly.
you use "lol" and "too easy" like youre hell bent on proving your argumentative ability, but unfortunately you fall short by over generalizing, as well as attempting to use arithmetic to make baseless claims.
try again. [/quote]
Actually, everything he said is completely accurate and there's no need for him to try again.
"any rational person would agree that a low playerbase is a big reason not to introduce a new game mode that would further divide it."
You do realize that a completely new game mode, separate from Galactic Assault, is scheduled to be released in early 2019, right? By your logic, shouldn't they just pull the plug on any or all new game modes?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you're making it sound like an obvious fact. It's not. It's your opinion; and that is a fact. See the difference? [/quote]
it is an obvious fact. why would a low player base NOT be a big reason to divide up the community? why do i have to explain this to adults?
also, them releasing a new game mode in 2019 has literally nothing to do with me saying the low playerbase is a big reason why they arent making HU its own separate option.
If you say that ONE persons name 3 times or mention arcade, he will appear. I haven't seen old boy in months on here
Every argument can be broken down into a conditional statement formula from which you can determine using the rules of formal logic and valid inference whether the argument is valid or invalid. You are claiming something which COULD be true as if it IS true... you cannot logically do this. I suggest you look up conditional reasoning and mistaken cause/effect for more information if you are not understanding the basic concepts at play which it appears you are not.
For example, it doesn't matter whether 1. is a blanket statement or not, or whether you think 5. is irrelevant or not... they are other possibilities for why a new GA mode has not been implemented... the mere possibility for a single other explanation for either/or claim is enough to render it an invalid claim logically.
It is not a "fact" at all lol... it is an invalid inference based on your assumption that the reason for X is because Y... and not because of ZABCDEFG etc... It COULD be a reason, or it could be something completely different... and to assert otherwise is pure ignorance.
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You could say that about anyone on any thread for any game. Why even have a forum if you are going to just make excuses for negative feedback? Also, I know a lot of people who won't even play the game during these events, but are you seriously going to tell me that people who stopped playing the game months ago are suddenly coming back just for these events?
I've seen some people on my friends list during these events who I hadn't seen online for weeks/months... so ya, there are at least some who are.
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But then they left again, right?
Some have disappeared again, some are still around. EA are the only ones who actually know what their player retention is, and they release no info so all we have is anecdotal evidence.
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Indeed. Agreed.
I also have a job and I don't have no one over me because I work for me, I'm a free professionist. When I decide to do a pause sometimes I came here and I comment. I don't see nothing wrong with this.
People tend to assume that if they cannot do something while working, that others cannot as well. In my case I work in healthcare and I own my own company, so when I am not directly treating patients or presenting something, I have time to check the forums between doing notes, meetings etc. To bad I can't use my gaming PC for my work, or I would be sneaking in GA matches as well!
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You might aswell consider probing towards the opposite direction by offering a "No Heroes" GA Event... in a separate "Event Playlist" of course.
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We are not suggesting to cancel it forever, we only ask the chance to choose if play it or not.
I keep saying this. But I'll say it again. It has nothing to do with being a noob or casual or whether you're good at Galactic Assault or not. This is a Star Wars game. Most of the players that have stuck it out are obviously Star Wars fans. And many of us enjoy playing as our favorite heroes. I really enjoyed the BF2015 HvV. I can't stand this version and consider it virtually unplayable. There is no enjoyment for me.
Heroes Unleashed is the HvV mode I've always dreamed of. It plays completely different from Galactic Assault (which I happen to be quite good at and also enjoy). I like the chaos. The chaos creates a challenge. A killstreak, imo, is more rewarding in Heroes Unleashed.
Enough of this noob stuff. I would like to think there are plenty of good gamers out there that feel just like I do.
alright so first these mental gymnastics youre doing have no bearing on the truth or my opinion. . any rational person would agree that a low playerbase is a big reason not to introduce a new game mode that would further divide it.
second of all, most if not all of the reasons youve put forth are blanket statements that are irrelevant to my assertion that they dont want to affect the dwindling playerbase. but ill entertain you and go down the line and eliminate them one by one
1. blanket statement. (why doesnt he want it as a permanent mode?)
2. this sounds like something you just made up. you act like they need an armada of programmers to add an event, which, is nothing more than a modified stock mode, to the home tiles. they dont.
3. another blanket statement. (why dont they want it as a permanent new mode? what would they lose?)
4. they LITERALLY sent out a poll asking if players wanted this to be a permanent game mode. so your "test" theory is nullified.
5. irrelevant.
6. you actually manage to backup my point here. why would they worry about "thunder" being stolen from a new mode? lol dont they have enough players to support gameplay in ALL their modes? also: when a new mode comes out most if not all of the playerbase is going to play it, regardless if a HU permanent game mode exists.
7. if they didnt want people to access heroes with such ease in galactic assault then why are they considering making this a permanent feature? also, why even do the event in the first place then? on TOP this next one which is cutting the price of heroes in half.
8. what additional servers? you mean the same ones they use for ALL of their "concurrent" modes such as several galactic assaults, several HvV, several SF assaults, several strikes? very trivial reason to not make an event a separate tile. the fact they you even put forth such an argument is silly.
you use "lol" and "too easy" like youre hell bent on proving your argumentative ability, but unfortunately you fall short by over generalizing, as well as attempting to use arithmetic to make baseless claims.
try again.
I really like my troopers though because I spent time on them and it’s incredibly satisfying to takeout a hero - I’ve been able to take out 7-10 heroes every round just using troopers because unlike them I don’t show up on map constantly and have lots of fun toys at my disposal. Doing this, objectives and just other eliminations usually lands me in top 3 and with those sweet sweet credits :-)
Not quite. In HU all the heroes are available, but in regular GA only 2 two heroes are available in phase 1 and 2 and 4 in phase 3. The prices are just lowered
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They turn it into a mode where infantry become glorified ai, which is completely different than what the mode is intended to be.
We aren't even asking them not to do it, just to give a separate playlist.
With the majority going to hu, we might actually get lobbies full of objective players making GA great.
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