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Phasma's Droid NEEDS Two (2) Very Important Nerfs

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  • Well, guessing that is only fair. I should have specified that i can understand the struggle of those who can't deal with it.
  • Admiral_Xen
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    edited December 2018
    unit900000 wrote: »

    Other than that the only things Phasma needs are buffs as she is the worst hero in the game by far and doesnt bring anything to the table and isn't needed to achieve anything.
    Saber heroes have no issues against her and she isn't even an counter contrary to what is often said since she has no way to outpass their block contrary to most blaster heroes and condamn herself to camp near her droid once she deploys it .
    Let us not even talk about what blasters do to her.

    So yes :
    -Fix the bug
    -Increase the damage of her blaster (there is no reason for a hero to have a weapon with less dps than the DC-15LE of the heavy) against all kind of targets.
    -A total rework of staff strike.
    -And give some kind of protection for the droid, because getting instantly destroyed by one assault, specialist or wookiee (just mentioning the totally effortless ways to get rid of it as there are too many ways to counter it) is funny , but with such huge cooldown and for an ability supposed to help defend areas this shouldn't be a thing.
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    She might finally get decent, still not at the level of the best, but usable more frequently outside of memes.

    This. She isn't even any good against Sabers, just bad players who try to Leroy Jenkins into the droid.

    You can basically ignore her the whole game unless she's the target, but of the DS characters who can cheese the target system she isn't even top 5 (that'd be Boba, Maul, Palp, Kylo and Grievous, in that order).

    She's a literal meme in GA. One trooper/wookiee grenade removes the droid and then she's worse than a free Heavy.

    only time your going to ignore her is if the Phasma player is bad when you use her you need to know when to leave your droid and play aggressive her blaster is fairly strong and thats all she needs if shes shooting at you and you ignore her your going to regret it.

    the heII she going to hurt you with if you're a saber? Hold block. Watch her commit suicide.

    If you're any LS blaster she's free XP with that garbage blaster (worse than heavy's default) and meme tier staff.

    And yeah, I've run into Phasma the stairmaster, the bridge troll, all the good spots to put the campfire. It's not hard to play against unless you're one of those types who gets frustrated and just overextends into death's sweet embrace over and over.

    It's the other, much stronger heroes around Phasma you have to worry about actually doing anything. She's always gimping her team compared to the same player just running a Vader, Boba, Kylo, Iden, Palp or even Maul/Grievous and actually helping to flatten you in spawn over and over as any good DS comp will do. Hell, even Bossk is a much better trapper/zoner, as his traps can actually kill you and only Yoda can eliminate them (not 5/9 of the LS roster).

    Like these sweaties want every HvV game in their premade to be a 2 minute 10-0 roflstomp, and when some random pulls out a meme tactic that maybe extends their defeat to 3 minutes they lose their minds.
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  • unit900000 wrote: »

    Other than that the only things Phasma needs are buffs as she is the worst hero in the game by far and doesnt bring anything to the table and isn't needed to achieve anything.
    Saber heroes have no issues against her and she isn't even an counter contrary to what is often said since she has no way to outpass their block contrary to most blaster heroes and condamn herself to camp near her droid once she deploys it .
    Let us not even talk about what blasters do to her.

    So yes :
    -Fix the bug
    -Increase the damage of her blaster (there is no reason for a hero to have a weapon with less dps than the DC-15LE of the heavy) against all kind of targets.
    -A total rework of staff strike.
    -And give some kind of protection for the droid, because getting instantly destroyed by one assault, specialist or wookiee (just mentioning the totally effortless ways to get rid of it as there are too many ways to counter it) is funny , but with such huge cooldown and for an ability supposed to help defend areas this shouldn't be a thing.
    -A standard Heal on Kill card


    She might finally get decent, still not at the level of the best, but usable more frequently outside of memes.

    This. She isn't even any good against Sabers, just bad players who try to Leroy Jenkins into the droid.

    You can basically ignore her the whole game unless she's the target, but of the DS characters who can cheese the target system she isn't even top 5 (that'd be Boba, Maul, Palp, Kylo and Grievous, in that order).

    She's a literal meme in GA. One trooper/wookiee grenade removes the droid and then she's worse than a free Heavy.

    only time your going to ignore her is if the Phasma player is bad when you use her you need to know when to leave your droid and play aggressive her blaster is fairly strong and thats all she needs if shes shooting at you and you ignore her your going to regret it.

    the heII she going to hurt you with if you're a saber? Hold block. Watch her commit suicide.

    If you're any LS blaster she's free XP with that garbage blaster (worse than heavy's default) and meme tier staff.

    And yeah, I've run into Phasma the stairmaster, the bridge troll, all the good spots to put the campfire. It's not hard to play against unless you're one of those types who gets frustrated and just overextends into death's sweet embrace over and over.

    It's the other, much stronger heroes around Phasma you have to worry about actually doing anything. She's always gimping her team compared to the same player just running a Vader, Boba, Kylo, Iden, Palp or even Maul/Grievous and actually helping to flatten you in spawn over and over as any good DS comp will do. Hell, even Bossk is a much better trapper/zoner, as his traps can actually kill you and only Yoda can eliminate them (not 5/9 of the LS roster).

    Like these sweaties want every HvV game in their premade to be a 2 minute 10-0 roflstomp, and when some random pulls out a meme tactic that maybe extends their defeat to 3 minutes they lose their minds.

    I dont think we are playing the same game if you think her blaster is worse then a heavys default blaster her blaster does a ton of damage. on the subject of someone simply blocking do you really think a good Phasma player is going to die to that or get outplayed by that? good blaster users know how to pressure saber users in Phasmas case simply shoot at them to drain there stamina some then stop firing and try to heal any health you lost and come back at the saber users again when ready and if they rush you simply melt them with your blaster or force them to block again its not that hard anyone that cant pressure saber users with a blaster hero and get dunked on is garbage plain and simple.

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  • Her blaster does less damage than a jet trooper. It needs a buff. Her staff strike takes 14 seconds to deploy. Once you drop the droid you can’t pick it up like a turret.

    Her droid doesn’t need a nerf. It needs fixing and her staff and blaster need a rework. Badly.

    She was in two movies. She’s in a cartoon. She’s not minor. She should get some love.
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  • OcDoc
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    Phasma’s droid doesn’t need a nerf. Shoot it, stay out of it’s radius or put a shield up near it to render it useless.
  • As long as I can still throw my Smart Ion Grenade at it and it explodes, I'm game. I've noticed that it does like to hang around on GA after Phasma bites the dust.
  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    The only suggestion worth here isn't even one actually, the bug giving immunity to the droid which should be fixed anyway since it doesnt only affect her droid but other parts of the game like tanks, or the Power Consoles on Crait etc.

    Other than that the only things Phasma needs are buffs as she is the worst hero in the game by far and doesnt bring anything to the table and isn't needed to achieve anything.
    Saber heroes have no issues against her and she isn't even an counter contrary to what is often said since she has no way to outpass their block contrary to most blaster heroes and condamn herself to camp near her droid once she deploys it .
    Let us not even talk about what blasters do to her.

    So yes :
    -Fix the bug
    -Increase the damage of her blaster (there is no reason for a hero to have a weapon with less dps than the DC-15LE of the heavy) against all kind of targets.
    -A total rework of staff strike.
    -And give some kind of protection for the droid, because getting instantly destroyed by one assault, specialist or wookiee (just mentioning the totally effortless ways to get rid of it as there are too many ways to counter it) is funny , but with such huge cooldown and for an ability supposed to help defend areas this shouldn't be a thing.
    -A standard Heal on Kill card
    So you approve of her overpowered droid shocking and shooting for five seconds after her death? And you think the suggestion to remove such a feature isn’t worth hearing?

    Not worth meaning i don't find it game breaking, just an annoyance at best. I'm perfectly fine with it staying like this as i am with it being removed.

    I'm guessing you don't play HvV.

    Exactly. We aren’t saying remove the droid, just fix its bugs.

    One time, I had an hour long HvV match because the entire darkside was camping in a room on Kessel with Phasma, Bossk, and Iden. They were impossible to get at, so the whole match turned into a light-side waits them out then gets impatient and whole team charges in (even from different directions) and dies. I was Grievous, and I was the only one even attacking the other team’s target! I was lucky to get the target kills that I did with Luke, Obi-Wan, and Yoda guarding each other throughout most of the match (hint: it took tons of deaths for me and slow weakening of their health).
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  • Buff her blaster and staff strikes immensely. Change her Ability to HOK instead then we can slightly nerf the droid. Right now worst hero by far in Ga and not to far behind in HvV
  • lerodemmy wrote: »

    Second
    The most recent patch has allowed the First Order Sentry Droid to become completely invincible to lightsaber attacks. I can only assume this is a bug, as it gives Phasma a huge advantage over lightsaber heroes.

    Good. Have you seen the utterly dumb stunlocks the glowstick crowd get away with recently? The only regret here is the LS not having something similar for the DS sabers. 2-3, sometimes even 4 hits before you're "maybe" allowed to roll away, if the server is in a good mood.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    The droid was already too powerful and a big advantage for Phasma against Jedi, but this is overkill. It's very unfair that Jedi have no way to take out the droid. Please do not suggest switching to a blaster hero. The Dark Side is not forced to switch characters to deal with Han or Yoda or Lando, or anyone for that matter. The Light Side should not be handicapped in that way, either.

    I don't understand you... "This counter strategy works. But because it involves.. What... Playing something that doesn't wield a glow stick, it's not good enough" (?)

    For what it's worth, I'd be happy with the dodgerolls going back to launch, when sabers had to think with their heads and not their R2 button, but honestly? Any little thing that slaps the jedi crowd on the nose is good enough for me. Lord knows the sabers are far too overrepresented as it is atm anyway, and they've been catered to far, FAR too much.

    In an ideal world, there'd be completely separate balancing for HvV and GA, but that'd require an actually invested dev team, and we all know that's not gonna happen for a good while yet.

    Lastly, I just have to ask, "what were the Blaster Heroes on your team doing in this scenario?"
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  • KresusFIN wrote: »
    lerodemmy wrote: »

    Second
    The most recent patch has allowed the First Order Sentry Droid to become completely invincible to lightsaber attacks. I can only assume this is a bug, as it gives Phasma a huge advantage over lightsaber heroes.

    Good. Have you seen the utterly dumb stunlocks the glowstick crowd get away with recently? The only regret here is the LS not having something similar for the DS sabers. 2-3, sometimes even 4 hits before you're "maybe" allowed to roll away, if the server is in a good mood.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    The droid was already too powerful and a big advantage for Phasma against Jedi, but this is overkill. It's very unfair that Jedi have no way to take out the droid. Please do not suggest switching to a blaster hero. The Dark Side is not forced to switch characters to deal with Han or Yoda or Lando, or anyone for that matter. The Light Side should not be handicapped in that way, either.

    I don't understand you... "This counter strategy works. But because it involves.. What... Playing something that doesn't wield a glow stick, it's not good enough" (?)

    For what it's worth, I'd be happy with the dodgerolls going back to launch, when sabers had to think with their heads and not their R2 button, but honestly? Any little thing that slaps the jedi crowd on the nose is good enough for me. Lord knows the sabers are far too overrepresented as it is atm anyway, and they've been catered to far, FAR too much.

    In an ideal world, there'd be completely separate balancing for HvV and GA, but that'd require an actually invested dev team, and we all know that's not gonna happen for a good while yet.

    Lastly, I just have to ask, "what were the Blaster Heroes on your team doing in this scenario?"

    There were none. Lol
    Obi-Wan, Luke, Rey, and Yoda.

    No offense meant, @lerodemmy , if these were not the heroes; I just find that everyone likes lightsaber only teams in HvV at the moment.
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  • KresusFIN wrote: »
    lerodemmy wrote: »

    Second
    The most recent patch has allowed the First Order Sentry Droid to become completely invincible to lightsaber attacks. I can only assume this is a bug, as it gives Phasma a huge advantage over lightsaber heroes.

    Good. Have you seen the utterly dumb stunlocks the glowstick crowd get away with recently? The only regret here is the LS not having something similar for the DS sabers. 2-3, sometimes even 4 hits before you're "maybe" allowed to roll away, if the server is in a good mood.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    The droid was already too powerful and a big advantage for Phasma against Jedi, but this is overkill. It's very unfair that Jedi have no way to take out the droid. Please do not suggest switching to a blaster hero. The Dark Side is not forced to switch characters to deal with Han or Yoda or Lando, or anyone for that matter. The Light Side should not be handicapped in that way, either.

    I don't understand you... "This counter strategy works. But because it involves.. What... Playing something that doesn't wield a glow stick, it's not good enough" (?)

    For what it's worth, I'd be happy with the dodgerolls going back to launch, when sabers had to think with their heads and not their R2 button, but honestly? Any little thing that slaps the jedi crowd on the nose is good enough for me. Lord knows the sabers are far too overrepresented as it is atm anyway, and they've been catered to far, FAR too much.

    In an ideal world, there'd be completely separate balancing for HvV and GA, but that'd require an actually invested dev team, and we all know that's not gonna happen for a good while yet.

    Lastly, I just have to ask, "what were the Blaster Heroes on your team doing in this scenario?"

    There were none. Lol
    Obi-Wan, Luke, Rey, and Yoda.

    No offense meant, @lerodemmy , if these were not the heroes; I just find that everyone likes lightsaber only teams in HvV at the moment.

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    Normally I'd say something along the lines of "Imagine being so hit by a figurative Disabler that you think 4 sabers is remotely a good idea." but considering just how utterly ridiculous sabertracking and dodging is atm, it's painful to see it being perfectly viable, with only little options available to deal with it.
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  • KresusFIN wrote: »
    lerodemmy wrote: »

    Second
    The most recent patch has allowed the First Order Sentry Droid to become completely invincible to lightsaber attacks. I can only assume this is a bug, as it gives Phasma a huge advantage over lightsaber heroes.

    Good. Have you seen the utterly dumb stunlocks the glowstick crowd get away with recently? The only regret here is the LS not having something similar for the DS sabers. 2-3, sometimes even 4 hits before you're "maybe" allowed to roll away, if the server is in a good mood.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    The droid was already too powerful and a big advantage for Phasma against Jedi, but this is overkill. It's very unfair that Jedi have no way to take out the droid. Please do not suggest switching to a blaster hero. The Dark Side is not forced to switch characters to deal with Han or Yoda or Lando, or anyone for that matter. The Light Side should not be handicapped in that way, either.

    I don't understand you... "This counter strategy works. But because it involves.. What... Playing something that doesn't wield a glow stick, it's not good enough" (?)

    I don’t understand people who think the LS should have to switch characters to counter the DS characters. The DS does not have to do that.
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  • MC_XIX
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    So the TL;DR version of this entire topic:

    Buff her staff strikes and change her HoK card to standard HoK.

    Fix her sentry so it detonates upon her death without delay. And that's about it really.
  • MC_XIX wrote: »
    So the TL;DR version of this entire topic:

    Buff her staff strikes and change her HoK card to standard HoK.

    Fix her sentry so it detonates upon her death without delay. And that's about it really.

    No, that’s not it. The original post sums up pretty well everything that needs to be changed with the droid, and it’s more than just having it detonate upon death.

    Buff her blaster against troopers only. Give her a regular HOK. Make Staff Strikes useful without having every swing knock down heroes.
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  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    First
    I've said for a year now that Captain Phasma's First Order Sentry Droid must immediately disappear upon her death. Why it still lasts for five seconds after she has been defeated is beyond me. It used to last for around six seconds, but for some strange reason, it was lowered to five, as if that would really make a difference. There is absolutely no reason this ability should remain after death for any amount of time.

    The effects of all abilities should wear off/go away immediately upon a character's death, but Phasma's droid is at the top of this list. The droid can shock you two different times between Phasma's death and its auto-destruction. Each of those shocks can can result in about 125 damage from the droid shooting you. In many situations, this is enough for death. More importantly, the shocks leave the affected open to characters like Boba Fett, Triple B, General Grievous and Iden Versio. Their high damage attacks and abilities will destroy heroes who were forced to be shocked in order to deal with Phasma.

    Second
    The most recent patch has allowed the First Order Sentry Droid to become completely invincible to lightsaber attacks. I can only assume this is a bug, as it gives Phasma a huge advantage over lightsaber heroes. The droid was already too powerful and a big advantage for Phasma against Jedi, but this is overkill. It's very unfair that Jedi have no way to take out the droid. Please do not suggest switching to a blaster hero. The Dark Side is not forced to switch characters to deal with Han or Yoda or Lando, or anyone for that matter. The Light Side should not be handicapped in that way, either.

    Third
    Above are the two issues with the First Order Sentry Droid that are inexcusable. Fixing those is paramount. I would be remiss not to also point out that the droid simply has too much health and it regenerates too quickly. I think the amount of health the droid can regen and/or the speed at which it can regen need to be lowered.

    Oh yeah... The First Order Sentry droid also shocks and shoots players too often. It shouldn't have the ability to do both. It also locks on from too far away.

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  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    First
    I've said for a year now that Captain Phasma's First Order Sentry Droid must immediately disappear upon her death. Why it still lasts for five seconds after she has been defeated is beyond me. It used to last for around six seconds, but for some strange reason, it was lowered to five, as if that would really make a difference. There is absolutely no reason this ability should remain after death for any amount of time.

    The effects of all abilities should wear off/go away immediately upon a character's death, but Phasma's droid is at the top of this list. The droid can shock you two different times between Phasma's death and its auto-destruction. Each of those shocks can can result in about 125 damage from the droid shooting you. In many situations, this is enough for death. More importantly, the shocks leave the affected open to characters like Boba Fett, Triple B, General Grievous and Iden Versio. Their high damage attacks and abilities will destroy heroes who were forced to be shocked in order to deal with Phasma.

    Second
    The most recent patch has allowed the First Order Sentry Droid to become completely invincible to lightsaber attacks. I can only assume this is a bug, as it gives Phasma a huge advantage over lightsaber heroes. The droid was already too powerful and a big advantage for Phasma against Jedi, but this is overkill. It's very unfair that Jedi have no way to take out the droid. Please do not suggest switching to a blaster hero. The Dark Side is not forced to switch characters to deal with Han or Yoda or Lando, or anyone for that matter. The Light Side should not be handicapped in that way, either.

    Third
    Above are the two issues with the First Order Sentry Droid that are inexcusable. Fixing those is paramount. I would be remiss not to also point out that the droid simply has too much health and it regenerates too quickly. I think the amount of health the droid can regen and/or the speed at which it can regen need to be lowered.

    Oh yeah... The First Order Sentry droid also shocks and shoots players too often. It shouldn't have the ability to do both. It also locks on from too far away.

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  • bfloo
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    The droid not disappearing immediately doesn't bother me so much, but the health regen it has is just silly.

    Bash away with a saber, get zapped and its back to full health again by the time you recover.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    The droid not disappearing immediately doesn't bother me so much, but the health regen it has is just silly.

    Bash away with a saber, get zapped and its back to full health again by the time you recover.

    It doesn't take damage from sabers at all.
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  • BucksawBoushh
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    edited January 9
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.

    1. Within reason, saber heroes should be able to destroy her droid. It being invincible has to (hopefully) be a glitch.

    2. It, along with all turret abilities and cards should disappear immediately at their death.

    3. If her droid is at full health, I feel she should be able to pick up and move it. Same way the Officer can move their turret.

    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    5. Do a full on overhaul of her staff strike ability. It’s still garbage.

    6. Give her a different and viable HOK card. It’s related to her staff strike? Really? Decisions like this tell me that the devs don’t even play their own game.
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  • bfloo
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    lerodemmy wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    The droid not disappearing immediately doesn't bother me so much, but the health regen it has is just silly.

    Bash away with a saber, get zapped and its back to full health again by the time you recover.

    It doesn't take damage from sabers at all.

    It used to, I'd get it down to ~ 25% health left *ZAP* back to full.

    I haven't bothered with it in months, just a waste of effort.
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  • How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.
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  • How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.
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  • only buff im open to when it comes to her blaster outside of a buff to damage done to infantry is removing the stupid mechanic were you have to shoot for a few seconds just for her blaster to be accurate it would be a slight buff to her blaster without making her blaster overpowered vs heroes it does enough damage all ready.
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  • unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    also lol @ git gud I can top pub lobbies with Phasma. Problem is I can do it better with every other villain and hero.

    and she's useless against any LS comp with one functioning brain between the 4 of them, even with her droid broken.

    Turnip tier players walking into the droid's stun for a headshot party doesn't mean the blaster is any good. Try to trade blows with a decent accuracy Han or Leia (even with Survivor up), or do any any damage at all to a jedi who isn't stunned and it becomes obvious how horrendous the gun is.
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  • unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    Lmao this. Every time I see someone say that I lol. I believe her damage is fine it's just the accuracy at first I hate.
  • unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    also lol @ git gud I can top pub lobbies with Phasma. Problem is I can do it better with every other villain and hero.

    and she's useless against any LS comp with one functioning brain between the 4 of them, even with her droid broken.

    Turnip tier players walking into the droid's stun for a headshot party doesn't mean the blaster is any good. Try to trade blows with a decent accuracy Han or Leia (even with Survivor up), or do any any damage at all to a jedi who isn't stunned and it becomes obvious how horrendous the gun is.

    so the target camping on the droid is useless? lolk you need to stop spewing nonsense Phasma is one of the best villains in HvV if the team is coordinated. as far as her blaster goes you would notice how much better it is vs heroes if you actually had half a brain rather or not it does the same damage is irrelevant because whatever the factor is her blaster feels and does much better vs heroes then it does infantry.
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  • unit900000 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    also lol @ git gud I can top pub lobbies with Phasma. Problem is I can do it better with every other villain and hero.

    and she's useless against any LS comp with one functioning brain between the 4 of them, even with her droid broken.

    Turnip tier players walking into the droid's stun for a headshot party doesn't mean the blaster is any good. Try to trade blows with a decent accuracy Han or Leia (even with Survivor up), or do any any damage at all to a jedi who isn't stunned and it becomes obvious how horrendous the gun is.

    so the target camping on the droid is useless? lolk you need to stop spewing nonsense Phasma is one of the best villains in HvV if the team is coordinated. as far as her blaster goes you would notice how much better it is vs heroes if you actually had half a brain rather or not it does the same damage is irrelevant because whatever the factor is her blaster feels and does much better vs heroes then it does infantry.

    Idk man i was using phasma in GA a couple days ago & her blaster felt fine against infantry.
  • unit900000 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    also lol @ git gud I can top pub lobbies with Phasma. Problem is I can do it better with every other villain and hero.

    and she's useless against any LS comp with one functioning brain between the 4 of them, even with her droid broken.

    Turnip tier players walking into the droid's stun for a headshot party doesn't mean the blaster is any good. Try to trade blows with a decent accuracy Han or Leia (even with Survivor up), or do any any damage at all to a jedi who isn't stunned and it becomes obvious how horrendous the gun is.

    so the target camping on the droid is useless? lolk you need to stop spewing nonsense Phasma is one of the best villains in HvV if the team is coordinated. as far as her blaster goes you would notice how much better it is vs heroes if you actually had half a brain rather or not it does the same damage is irrelevant because whatever the factor is her blaster feels and does much better vs heroes then it does infantry.

    Idk man i was using phasma in GA a couple days ago & her blaster felt fine against infantry.

    it doesn't feel good vs infantry to me it feels much better vs heroes they should just remove that stupid accuracy mechanic her gun has and see what that does for her.
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  • Go to the 13:00 minute mark. That's what he means he says her blaster sucks compared to other heros
  • unit900000 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    also lol @ git gud I can top pub lobbies with Phasma. Problem is I can do it better with every other villain and hero.

    and she's useless against any LS comp with one functioning brain between the 4 of them, even with her droid broken.

    Turnip tier players walking into the droid's stun for a headshot party doesn't mean the blaster is any good. Try to trade blows with a decent accuracy Han or Leia (even with Survivor up), or do any any damage at all to a jedi who isn't stunned and it becomes obvious how horrendous the gun is.

    so the target camping on the droid is useless? lolk you need to stop spewing nonsense Phasma is one of the best villains in HvV if the team is coordinated. as far as her blaster goes you would notice how much better it is vs heroes if you actually had half a brain rather or not it does the same damage is irrelevant because whatever the factor is her blaster feels and does much better vs heroes then it does infantry.

    Lol, Phasma’s droid is her only saving grace in HvV, heck, you could simply make the droid a hero and it would be a better one than she is lol. If the team is coordinated, they would realize how crappy it is to sit and camp and simply bring Kylo Boba/Iden, Vader/Grievs and Palps. Heck, If they want to camp just substitute one of those for Bossk, more effective camper than Phasma lol. Her blaster is outclassed by a TL-50, CR-2, and an CFE or SE-44. It literally is trashmode, just cause it feels better doesn’t mean anything. It is objectively worse than Iden’s, Boba’s, and any Fourth unlock Blaster Infantry has, it sucks. Facts don’t care about how the gun feels, any other gun would Objectively put out more Damage per second than hers. This entire thing is nonsense. Her only saving grace is the sentry droid.
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  • unit900000
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    Go to the 13:00 minute mark. That's what he means he says her blaster sucks compared to other heros

    that Phasma should of been able to kill you when you turned your back to her but she didnt seem to land many shots even though she had enough time to get its accruacy up and instead she went back to hide and thats on the player not the gun and when she was landing shots she was doing pretty decent damage I dont understand this whole all blasters should be OP like Hans or Idens mentality why should all the heroes and villains be easy mode?
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    also lol @ git gud I can top pub lobbies with Phasma. Problem is I can do it better with every other villain and hero.

    and she's useless against any LS comp with one functioning brain between the 4 of them, even with her droid broken.

    Turnip tier players walking into the droid's stun for a headshot party doesn't mean the blaster is any good. Try to trade blows with a decent accuracy Han or Leia (even with Survivor up), or do any any damage at all to a jedi who isn't stunned and it becomes obvious how horrendous the gun is.

    so the target camping on the droid is useless? lolk you need to stop spewing nonsense Phasma is one of the best villains in HvV if the team is coordinated. as far as her blaster goes you would notice how much better it is vs heroes if you actually had half a brain rather or not it does the same damage is irrelevant because whatever the factor is her blaster feels and does much better vs heroes then it does infantry.

    Lol, Phasma’s droid is her only saving grace in HvV, heck, you could simply make the droid a hero and it would be a better one than she is lol. If the team is coordinated, they would realize how crappy it is to sit and camp and simply bring Kylo Boba/Iden, Vader/Grievs and Palps. Heck, If they want to camp just substitute one of those for Bossk, more effective camper than Phasma lol. Her blaster is outclassed by a TL-50, CR-2, and an CFE or SE-44. It literally is trashmode, just cause it feels better doesn’t mean anything. It is objectively worse than Iden’s, Boba’s, and any Fourth unlock Blaster Infantry has, it sucks. Facts don’t care about how the gun feels, any other gun would Objectively put out more Damage per second than hers. This entire thing is nonsense. Her only saving grace is the sentry droid.

    there is plenty of viable tactics in HvV and camping on her droid is one of them dont matter if you think there is better options cause camping on her droid is extreamly effective in a coordinated team. also the Bossk thing is nonsense Phasmas droid> Bossks mines I shouldn't even have to explain why so im not going to lmao. her gun is in a good spot vs heroes and you are really underestimating how good it is its fine vs heroes but needs a buff vs infantry and thats it best thing they can do is remove that accuracy mechanic the gun has and see how much better her gun feels and go from there it silly and unneeded anyway.
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  • Her blaster being bad is not a subject of discussion, it is a fact - there is no feeling here . What is this nonsense seriously ? The TTK is low against infantry and should be ameliorated, but it's fine against entities with way more than double an infantry health with super power ?
    How is she dealing damage also appart from the blaster ? The turret with a big huge "warning i'm going to shoot at you" with dodgeable bolts that is easily outplayed by brain ? Staff strikes ?

  • include changing the hok card and we will call it good and it doesn't even have to be health on kill either. my ideas to replace it are 1. transferring the bp she gets from hurting someone with staff strikes, multiply it by 2 and turn it into health for phasma 2. making so she has to have survivor on to get the health on kill 3. health from every droid stun or 4. the bp you get with hurting someone with the droid is transferred into health (if someone made these suggestions earlier i apologize i have not read the whole thread and i get that the droid ones might be a bad idea cause they will probably encourage droid camping tenfold buts its better than staff strikes)
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    Go to the 13:00 minute mark. That's what he means he says her blaster sucks compared to other heros

    that Phasma should of been able to kill you when you turned your back to her but she didnt seem to land many shots even though she had enough time to get its accruacy up and instead she went back to hide and thats on the player not the gun and when she was landing shots she was doing pretty decent damage I dont understand this whole all blasters should be OP like Hans or Idens mentality why should all the heroes and villains be easy mode?

    Why should one hero be OBJECTIVELY WORSE than other heroes lol? Boba is one of the hardest to perform well as, but he has good weapons. Phasma is hard to perform as, and is exceptionally worse than other heroes. The blaster is her only form of dps, and that also sucks. It needs improvement, regardless of your feelings.
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  • unit900000 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    also lol @ git gud I can top pub lobbies with Phasma. Problem is I can do it better with every other villain and hero.

    and she's useless against any LS comp with one functioning brain between the 4 of them, even with her droid broken.

    Turnip tier players walking into the droid's stun for a headshot party doesn't mean the blaster is any good. Try to trade blows with a decent accuracy Han or Leia (even with Survivor up), or do any any damage at all to a jedi who isn't stunned and it becomes obvious how horrendous the gun is.

    so the target camping on the droid is useless? lolk you need to stop spewing nonsense Phasma is one of the best villains in HvV if the team is coordinated. as far as her blaster goes you would notice how much better it is vs heroes if you actually had half a brain rather or not it does the same damage is irrelevant because whatever the factor is her blaster feels and does much better vs heroes then it does infantry.

    Lol, Phasma’s droid is her only saving grace in HvV, heck, you could simply make the droid a hero and it would be a better one than she is lol. If the team is coordinated, they would realize how crappy it is to sit and camp and simply bring Kylo Boba/Iden, Vader/Grievs and Palps. Heck, If they want to camp just substitute one of those for Bossk, more effective camper than Phasma lol. Her blaster is outclassed by a TL-50, CR-2, and an CFE or SE-44. It literally is trashmode, just cause it feels better doesn’t mean anything. It is objectively worse than Iden’s, Boba’s, and any Fourth unlock Blaster Infantry has, it sucks. Facts don’t care about how the gun feels, any other gun would Objectively put out more Damage per second than hers. This entire thing is nonsense. Her only saving grace is the sentry droid.

    there is plenty of viable tactics in HvV and camping on her droid is one of them dont matter if you think there is better options cause camping on her droid is extreamly effective in a coordinated team. also the Bossk thing is nonsense Phasmas droid> Bossks mines I shouldn't even have to explain why so im not going to lmao. her gun is in a good spot vs heroes and you are really underestimating how good it is its fine vs heroes but needs a buff vs infantry and thats it best thing they can do is remove that accuracy mechanic the gun has and see how much better her gun feels and go from there it silly and unneeded anyway.

    Even if camping with her droid is effective, it is a less effective than other Villan comps that can absolutely trash LS, running Phasma is like purposely putting a Infantry member on your team, you could run literally anyone else and be more effective. Also Bossk’s overall effectiveness> Phasma’s entire kit. Her gun is trash against heroes, you try taking Phasma to any firefight against a blaster hero or saber hero of equal skill, you get wrecked 9/10, only time you win is if the person is mentally impaired lmao. Her blaster only looks good against heroes cause the healthbar, otherwise it literally is worse than any other blaster. Literally ***** to say otherwise, It’s a bad weapon, on an even worse character.
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  • I play Phasma a lot. Basically a main for me. I’m generally drawn to characters that are more challenging to play. Other heroes are much easier. Iden for example. Easiest blaster hero in the game, to play. She basically drives herself.

    The droid’s immunity to sabers is a bust bug and will certainly be fixed. Nothing else needs changing on the droid. The five second linger after death is a non-issue. The number of times that this actually impacts anything is insignificant. By the same logic it wouldn’t matter at all if it disappeared immediately upon death.

    The only thing that needs adjusting on her blaster is this. It should have the pinpoint accuracy from the very first bolt. I’ve said this before. That alone would compensate for the longer TTK.

    Regard Staff Strike, all that’s needed is for the animation to be unbreakable by sabers and melee attacks. And of course she needs a standard HoK.

    LS sabers should be beating Phasma in 1v1’s. Yoda in particular is a hard counter. Rey has the most difficulty but still, it’s an handicapped engagement. I’ll not address coordinated teams since every hero is highly effective in a skilled, coordinated team. That’s not really a point for this discussion.

    If you want to talk about reducing the droids HP that’s fine, but then you’ll also have to talk about her picking it up to move it.

    Bottom line is all that’s really needed is the bug fix for saber damage, immediate accuracy form trigger pull, fluid Staff Strike animation, and a standard HoK card. Nothing else really. If you want the droid to disappear on death... whatever. That’s of little consequence anyway.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »


    Go to the 13:00 minute mark. That's what he means he says her blaster sucks compared to other heros

    that Phasma should of been able to kill you when you turned your back to her but she didnt seem to land many shots even though she had enough time to get its accruacy up and instead she went back to hide and thats on the player not the gun and when she was landing shots she was doing pretty decent damage I dont understand this whole all blasters should be OP like Hans or Idens mentality why should all the heroes and villains be easy mode?

    Why should one hero be OBJECTIVELY WORSE than other heroes lol? Boba is one of the hardest to perform well as, but he has good weapons. Phasma is hard to perform as, and is exceptionally worse than other heroes. The blaster is her only form of dps, and that also sucks. It needs improvement, regardless of your feelings.

    funny cause I can perform just fine as her and all heroes are "objectively worse" then others in some way or form like I said im getting tired of this mentality that everyone needs to be OP and/or perfect but this is the type of crap this game attracts: casuals. bring back her knockdown on her 1st and 2nd staff strike hits, give her a regular health on kill card instead of staff strikes and remove that accuracy mechanic nonsense that her blaster has so she dont have to shoot before its actually accurate and I think she will be in a good enough spot.

    honestly surprised I have not seen you lot ask for a Bossk blaster buff at this point his is way worse then hers and hers isn't even that bad its actually pretty decent though it needs a bit of a boost vs infantry but I think removing the accuracy mechanic might be enough to fix that.
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  • bfloo
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    unit900000 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »


    Go to the 13:00 minute mark. That's what he means he says her blaster sucks compared to other heros

    that Phasma should of been able to kill you when you turned your back to her but she didnt seem to land many shots even though she had enough time to get its accruacy up and instead she went back to hide and thats on the player not the gun and when she was landing shots she was doing pretty decent damage I dont understand this whole all blasters should be OP like Hans or Idens mentality why should all the heroes and villains be easy mode?

    Why should one hero be OBJECTIVELY WORSE than other heroes lol? Boba is one of the hardest to perform well as, but he has good weapons. Phasma is hard to perform as, and is exceptionally worse than other heroes. The blaster is her only form of dps, and that also sucks. It needs improvement, regardless of your feelings.

    funny cause I can perform just fine as her and all heroes are "objectively worse" then others in some way or form like I said im getting tired of this mentality that everyone needs to be OP and/or perfect but this is the type of crap this game attracts: casuals. bring back her knockdown on her 1st and 2nd staff strike hits, give her a regular health on kill card instead of staff strikes and remove that accuracy mechanic nonsense that her blaster has so she dont have to shoot before its actually accurate and I think she will be in a good enough spot.

    honestly surprised I have not seen you lot ask for a Bossk blaster buff at this point his is way worse then hers and hers isn't even that bad its actually pretty decent though it needs a bit of a boost vs infantry but I think removing the accuracy mechanic might be enough to fix that.

    I do miss the knock down from her staff.

    it was never 'great' but at least ending up toe to toe with a saber user wasn't always a death sentence.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »


    Go to the 13:00 minute mark. That's what he means he says her blaster sucks compared to other heros

    that Phasma should of been able to kill you when you turned your back to her but she didnt seem to land many shots even though she had enough time to get its accruacy up and instead she went back to hide and thats on the player not the gun and when she was landing shots she was doing pretty decent damage I dont understand this whole all blasters should be OP like Hans or Idens mentality why should all the heroes and villains be easy mode?

    Why should one hero be OBJECTIVELY WORSE than other heroes lol? Boba is one of the hardest to perform well as, but he has good weapons. Phasma is hard to perform as, and is exceptionally worse than other heroes. The blaster is her only form of dps, and that also sucks. It needs improvement, regardless of your feelings.

    funny cause I can perform just fine as her and all heroes are "objectively worse" then others in some way or form like I said im getting tired of this mentality that everyone needs to be OP and/or perfect but this is the type of crap this game attracts: casuals. bring back her knockdown on her 1st and 2nd staff strike hits, give her a regular health on kill card instead of staff strikes and remove that accuracy mechanic nonsense that her blaster has so she dont have to shoot before its actually accurate and I think she will be in a good enough spot.

    honestly surprised I have not seen you lot ask for a Bossk blaster buff at this point his is way worse then hers and hers isn't even that bad its actually pretty decent though it needs a bit of a boost vs infantry but I think removing the accuracy mechanic might be enough to fix that.

    I do miss the knock down from her staff.

    it was never 'great' but at least ending up toe to toe with a saber user wasn't always a death sentence.

    agreed it wasn't amazing (unless you actually hit someone and manged to get all 3 hits in) but it was better then what we have now and was at least usable.
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  • The five second linger after death is a non-issue. The number of times that this actually impacts anything is insignificant.
    I couldn’t disagree more. I play HvV with some of the very best and everyone agrees it needs to disappear immediately.

    You usually have to be in the droid to kill her as a Jedi. This means that when you eventually land the killing blow, the odds of you getting shocked right after are pretty high. That stun is long enough to take significant damage from nearby villains.
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    lerodemmy wrote: »
    The five second linger after death is a non-issue. The number of times that this actually impacts anything is insignificant.
    I couldn’t disagree more. I play HvV with some of the very best and everyone agrees it needs to disappear immediately.

    You usually have to be in the droid to kill her as a Jedi. This means that when you eventually land the killing blow, the odds of you getting shocked right after are pretty high. That stun is long enough to take significant damage from nearby villains.

    I see that too, but I don’t see it really impacting the outcome of a match. Like I said, this also applies to its immediate disappearance upon death. I concede that that would be fine and wouldn’t change Phasma’s effectiveness one bit.

    [edit] - I’d also add that a change like this should be applied to all stun effects in the game. Not the least of which... Kylo’s.
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    lerodemmy wrote: »
    The five second linger after death is a non-issue. The number of times that this actually impacts anything is insignificant.
    I couldn’t disagree more. I play HvV with some of the very best and everyone agrees it needs to disappear immediately.

    You usually have to be in the droid to kill her as a Jedi. This means that when you eventually land the killing blow, the odds of you getting shocked right after are pretty high. That stun is long enough to take significant damage from nearby villains.

    If a saber user could take it out in 2-3 swings, disappearing right away wouldn't be such a big deal.
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  • I play Phasma a lot. Basically a main for me. I’m generally drawn to characters that are more challenging to play. Other heroes are much easier. Iden for example. Easiest blaster hero in the game, to play. She basically drives herself.

    The droid’s immunity to sabers is a bust bug and will certainly be fixed. Nothing else needs changing on the droid. The five second linger after death is a non-issue. The number of times that this actually impacts anything is insignificant. By the same logic it wouldn’t matter at all if it disappeared immediately upon death.

    The only thing that needs adjusting on her blaster is this. It should have the pinpoint accuracy from the very first bolt. I’ve said this before. That alone would compensate for the longer TTK.

    Regard Staff Strike, all that’s needed is for the animation to be unbreakable by sabers and melee attacks. And of course she needs a standard HoK.

    LS sabers should be beating Phasma in 1v1’s. Yoda in particular is a hard counter. Rey has the most difficulty but still, it’s an handicapped engagement. I’ll not address coordinated teams since every hero is highly effective in a skilled, coordinated team. That’s not really a point for this discussion.

    If you want to talk about reducing the droids HP that’s fine, but then you’ll also have to talk about her picking it up to move it.

    Bottom line is all that’s really needed is the bug fix for saber damage, immediate accuracy form trigger pull, fluid Staff Strike animation, and a standard HoK card. Nothing else really. If you want the droid to disappear on death... whatever. That’s of little consequence anyway.

    pretty much agree with most of this including the challenging characters part though im not drawn to them but brain dead characters do turn me off a bit but its good for games to have characters that aren't easy mode. only thing I disagree with is Phasma losing a 1v1 to all saber heroes unless her droid is down then ya she should lose to any of them. I never had a problem with Luke or Rey just play smart but Yoda and Obi are good counters and can win vs Phasma if played right.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    How I personally think a Phasma rework should go.


    4. Buff blaster damage against infantry and reinforcements.

    Nah it needs a straight 25% DPS buff against everything to be on par with say Iden's. Its her only method of dealing damage, is self damage vs competent saber users and still has the goofy reverse spread gimping it from actually outputting its damage effectively unless she's sitting there in the open spraying it and taking damage in return (her peek game is super weak as a result compared to other blaster heroes).

    It's laughable in HvV. Jedi force you to roll around where it never has time to spin up enough accuracy to do even mediocre damage. LS blasters have like 50% more DPS than you and will peek from corners bullying your head hitbox as you struggle against the reverse spread, or just stun and gank you (their stuns don't require you to walk into a clearly defined circle).

    Hell even mid level trooper blasters (DC15LE) output more damage than your "hero" weapon. If I could I'd literally trade her weapon to the first trooper I killed like CoD or Battlefield. She might actually be decent with a TL-50, SE44c or A280

    Otherwise I agree with your whole list.

    her blaster does enough damage vs heroes if anyone has a problem with her blaster in HvV then your simply not good with her blaster. the dark side is strong enough as it is in HvV lets not buff something that doesn't need one her blaster is fine vs heroes but could use a buff vs infantry.

    It has the exact same damage against heroes as it does against troopers. How is it fine vs one but not another?

    also lol @ git gud I can top pub lobbies with Phasma. Problem is I can do it better with every other villain and hero.

    and she's useless against any LS comp with one functioning brain between the 4 of them, even with her droid broken.

    Turnip tier players walking into the droid's stun for a headshot party doesn't mean the blaster is any good. Try to trade blows with a decent accuracy Han or Leia (even with Survivor up), or do any any damage at all to a jedi who isn't stunned and it becomes obvious how horrendous the gun is.

    so the target camping on the droid is useless? lolk you need to stop spewing nonsense Phasma is one of the best villains in HvV if the team is coordinated. as far as her blaster goes you would notice how much better it is vs heroes if you actually had half a brain rather or not it does the same damage is irrelevant because whatever the factor is her blaster feels and does much better vs heroes then it does infantry.

    Lol, Phasma’s droid is her only saving grace in HvV, heck, you could simply make the droid a hero and it would be a better one than she is lol. If the team is coordinated, they would realize how crappy it is to sit and camp and simply bring Kylo Boba/Iden, Vader/Grievs and Palps. Heck, If they want to camp just substitute one of those for Bossk, more effective camper than Phasma lol. Her blaster is outclassed by a TL-50, CR-2, and an CFE or SE-44. It literally is trashmode, just cause it feels better doesn’t mean anything. It is objectively worse than Iden’s, Boba’s, and any Fourth unlock Blaster Infantry has, it sucks. Facts don’t care about how the gun feels, any other gun would Objectively put out more Damage per second than hers. This entire thing is nonsense. Her only saving grace is the sentry droid.

    there is plenty of viable tactics in HvV and camping on her droid is one of them dont matter if you think there is better options cause camping on her droid is extreamly effective in a coordinated team. also the Bossk thing is nonsense Phasmas droid> Bossks mines I shouldn't even have to explain why so im not going to lmao. her gun is in a good spot vs heroes and you are really underestimating how good it is its fine vs heroes but needs a buff vs infantry and thats it best thing they can do is remove that accuracy mechanic the gun has and see how much better her gun feels and go from there it silly and unneeded anyway.

    Even if camping with her droid is effective, it is a less effective than other Villan comps that can absolutely trash LS, running Phasma is like purposely putting a Infantry member on your team, you could run literally anyone else and be more effective. Also Bossk’s overall effectiveness> Phasma’s entire kit. Her gun is trash against heroes, you try taking Phasma to any firefight against a blaster hero or saber hero of equal skill, you get wrecked 9/10, only time you win is if the person is mentally impaired lmao. Her blaster only looks good against heroes cause the healthbar, otherwise it literally is worse than any other blaster. Literally **** to say otherwise, It’s a bad weapon, on an even worse character.

    Phasma is the most effective at DEFENSE so she wins in that department dont care if you think offense is more viable (and it probably is) and yes that means better at defense then even Bossk this isn't GA. Bossk is more effective at offense and Phasma is more effective at defense you keep looking at this thing to simple im simply defending the viability of the character shes fine outside of the buffs I all ready listed.
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  • unit900000 wrote: »
    I play Phasma a lot. Basically a main for me. I’m generally drawn to characters that are more challenging to play. Other heroes are much easier. Iden for example. Easiest blaster hero in the game, to play. She basically drives herself.

    The droid’s immunity to sabers is a bust bug and will certainly be fixed. Nothing else needs changing on the droid. The five second linger after death is a non-issue. The number of times that this actually impacts anything is insignificant. By the same logic it wouldn’t matter at all if it disappeared immediately upon death.

    The only thing that needs adjusting on her blaster is this. It should have the pinpoint accuracy from the very first bolt. I’ve said this before. That alone would compensate for the longer TTK.

    Regard Staff Strike, all that’s needed is for the animation to be unbreakable by sabers and melee attacks. And of course she needs a standard HoK.

    LS sabers should be beating Phasma in 1v1’s. Yoda in particular is a hard counter. Rey has the most difficulty but still, it’s an handicapped engagement. I’ll not address coordinated teams since every hero is highly effective in a skilled, coordinated team. That’s not really a point for this discussion.

    If you want to talk about reducing the droids HP that’s fine, but then you’ll also have to talk about her picking it up to move it.

    Bottom line is all that’s really needed is the bug fix for saber damage, immediate accuracy form trigger pull, fluid Staff Strike animation, and a standard HoK card. Nothing else really. If you want the droid to disappear on death... whatever. That’s of little consequence anyway.

    pretty much agree with most of this including the challenging characters part though im not drawn to them but brain dead characters do turn me off a bit but its good for games to have characters that aren't easy mode. only thing I disagree with is Phasma losing a 1v1 to all saber heroes unless her droid is down then ya she should lose to any of them. I never had a problem with Luke or Rey just play smart but Yoda and Obi are good counters and can win vs Phasma if played right.

    I’m just speaking for myself really. As a Phasma main I know how to deal with her pretty well while playing LS sabers. The push heroes are a counter. Rey’s Mind Trick is a little easier to deal with.

    Versus LS blasters... I fear none as Phasma. Of course that’s map specific due to her superior ranged accuracy.
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