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The Dark Side is so Overpowered it’s not even Fun Anymore

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I’m not gonna go into some essay-Long post on this like I’ve done before. I don’t need to justify my title. I’ve made my feelings clear for the last year. If you actually play the game, then you understand.

When you really think about what most of the Dark Side abilities can do, and then compare that to what Jedi can do, it’s a joke.

The fact that nothing has been done and the DS continues to get stronger with every update is disgraceful and an embarrassment.
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  • thelasteverjedi
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    edited December 2018
    Been like this since the start. A Kylo slash bot that can freeze you for an eternity. A Vader with bionic arm that had more health than an AT-M6 and takes no damage. A Boba with more rockets than you can count that could orbital strike. A Maul that moves faster than any Jedi. They even locked up the Emperor in a private island for a month after chopping off his arms. Then all of a sudden they created a 4 armed monster that one hit killed troopers and 3 hit killed heroes.

    SMH.

    May I suggest you don't nerf DS but buff LS.

    Time to add a forth ability to Rey called Rain Down Rocks and orbital strike the DS, increase Finn aimbot range and damage by a bit (to counter the horrible lock - it locks to things you are not looking at, usually behind walls lol!), widen Chewy slam, widen Yoda unleash/instant max charge up, match Luke speed with Maul, make Leia shield block everything including enemy from entering, faster Lando sharp shot lock, instant Obiwan push at max distance or at least make it max as soon as he takes damage.
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    More likely he’ll be just as useless as Obi Wan.
  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    I’m not gonna go into some essay-Long post on this like I’ve done before. I don’t need to justify my title. I’ve made my feelings clear for the last year. If you actually play the game, then you understand.

    When you really think about what most of the Dark Side abilities can do, and then compare that to what Jedi can do, it’s a joke.

    The fact that nothing has been done and the DS continues to get stronger with every update is disgraceful and an embarrassment.

    I agree with you. Now, just imagine how this will be amplified in Hero Blast once any tactical objectives are removed.
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    More likely he’ll be just as useless as Obi Wan.

    Woah there obi wan is far from useless & I bet anakin will be the strongest hero for the lightside; high damage, damage buff, dash ability, fast swing speed(judging from animations)
  • HvV is so bad on so many levels. I hope they buff our LS heroes to the DS level instead of nerfing everything.
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    More likely he’ll be just as useless buggy as Obi Wan.

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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    The same exact thing was said about Obi Wan. It hasn’t gotten better. It’s arguably gotten worse. When are we going to stop saying ridiculous things like, “wait for x hero to come and hope that he/she is good” until we admit the game is unbalanced and most heroes need a serious and complete overhaul?
  • Landeaux2 wrote: »
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    The same exact thing was said about Obi Wan. It hasn’t gotten better. It’s arguably gotten worse. When are we going to stop saying ridiculous things like, “wait for x hero to come and hope that he/she is good” until we admit the game is unbalanced and most heroes need a serious and complete overhaul?
    The problem with it is that they will probably just end up breaking the hero, like making Luke do extra damage on his saber swings but accidentally make all pushes not register. I wouldn't trust these guys with a overhaul tbh, they would just end up causing even more bugs.
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  • the problem is that your too good at the game. try to lose and die more often. it will become way more fun when there are people who are better than you at the game ;)
    cause everything you read on the internet is true...
  • Landeaux2 wrote: »
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    The same exact thing was said about Obi Wan. It hasn’t gotten better. It’s arguably gotten worse. When are we going to stop saying ridiculous things like, “wait for x hero to come and hope that he/she is good” until we admit the game is unbalanced and most heroes need a serious and complete overhaul?

    Was more of a joke mixed in with my love for anakin.
  • the problem is that your too good at the game. try to lose and die more often. it will become way more fun when there are people who are better than you at the game ;)
    I wish I was too good at the game. Then maybe I wouldn’t die to the Grievous invincibility glitch, or the Freeze/blaster combo.
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  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.
    Are you serious?

    This is a multiplayer shooter. One side shouldn’t have to work as a team while the other doesn’t.

    Exactly. Especially when the DS decides to work as a team the LS usually gets stomped.
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  • Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Can't roll spam vader when he can choke & saber throw all 3 of you leaving you near deaths door. & if you wanna talk teamwork vader & iden can wipe out the whole lightside team by themselves
  • Landeaux2 wrote: »
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    The same exact thing was said about Obi Wan. It hasn’t gotten better. It’s arguably gotten worse. When are we going to stop saying ridiculous things like, “wait for x hero to come and hope that he/she is good” until we admit the game is unbalanced and most heroes need a serious and complete overhaul?

    Was more of a joke mixed in with my love for anakin.

    I’m not dissing you but that is the type of stuff we read all the time on the forum. It’s just excuses for what has transpired in this game essentially since day 1.
  • Landeaux2 wrote: »
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    The same exact thing was said about Obi Wan. It hasn’t gotten better. It’s arguably gotten worse. When are we going to stop saying ridiculous things like, “wait for x hero to come and hope that he/she is good” until we admit the game is unbalanced and most heroes need a serious and complete overhaul?

    Yeah. For some strange reason I thought Kenobi was going to be the turning point in the whole hero imbalance issue. Silly me.
  • Raices
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    The point is that Dooku can make the dark side even more OP, so Anakin being powerfull alone isn't the solution, Yoda and Luke should be part of an elite lineup in HvV.
  • Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.
  • Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    Not a competent one. Same could be said for LS however. Skill>perceived OP mechanics
  • Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    Not a competent one. Same could be said for LS however. Skill>perceived OP mechanics

    I've was thinking haven't actually been able to test it against a group but, on paper I like the team besting the darkside. Rey & obi wan for their mind trick & high damage output, lando for his shock, Finn for his damage reduction & he can give lando at least 3 disablers in 1 big deal usage. Also forgot rey's insight. Would really need to work as a team though
  • Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    I was thinking han over Finn to pair him with lando. Also his crazy damage output. Rey & obi I think have to stay can't tell you how funny it is when someone like iden or kylo get mindtrick twice it's basically a death sentence
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    My recommendation would be Han, Leia, Finn and Chewy. That’s in a group session if it was my usual members. DS is Boba, Kylo, Iden and Palps. These suit our teams play style therefore I recommend it but it’s down to how you want to play as a group and what your other players strengths are. Would not recommend any melee based characters other than Kylo simply because he serves a functional purpose, the others don’t imo
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    My recommendation would be Han, Leia, Finn and Chewy. That’s in a group session if it was my usual members. DS is Boba, Kylo, Iden and Palps. These suit our teams play style therefore I recommend it but it’s down to how you want to play as a group and what your other players strengths are. Would not recommend any melee based characters other than Kylo simply because he serves a functional purpose, the others don’t imo

    I do think in a all blaster 4v4 the lightside wins hands down, with the people you just mentioned. A all blaster line up gets wrecked by vader alone. I like your darkside team though really deadly. I tried kylo, boba, iden, phasma & man is it deadly I didn't even think of using palps
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    My recommendation would be Han, Leia, Finn and Chewy. That’s in a group session if it was my usual members. DS is Boba, Kylo, Iden and Palps. These suit our teams play style therefore I recommend it but it’s down to how you want to play as a group and what your other players strengths are. Would not recommend any melee based characters other than Kylo simply because he serves a functional purpose, the others don’t imo

    I do think in a all blaster 4v4 the lightside wins hands down, with the people you just mentioned. A all blaster line up gets wrecked by vader alone. I like your darkside team though really deadly. I tried kylo, boba, iden, phasma & man is it deadly I didn't even think of using palps

    I base my recommendations on when I group play this so all on comms etc. any saber hero is not getting within any range to be threat so essentially disregard them. Blaster only battles depends on how good Boba is, and conversely how good Han is. That will usually tell who wins.

    It’s great seeing good team makeups, you can realistically make any work. On PC saber is simply a no go really against any competent team, they will just get ruined
  • Revert all hero nerfs for HvV, problemsolved
  • I think that Grievous is excessively powerful.
    He causes too much damage with his basic attack.
    Before Grievous, we had Chewbacca as the Light Side tank to oppose Vader (the Dark Side tank). Then Chewbacca was nerfed and Grievous arrived.
    Obi-wan is not powerful enough bring balance to HvV.
  • Dark side is super Overpowered. Vader OP, Grievous OP, Iden OP, Palpatine OP, Phasma’s droid is the most feared thing in the galaxy, Boba Spam Fett is a monster in the hands of a skilled player, and don’t even get me started on Bossk who’s primary weapon is literally his last line of defense, and Kylo’s freeze explains itself. Maul is the only one who I wouldn’t consider overpowered but most of the time he just exploits the HvV target system and runs away
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    More likely he’ll be just as useless as Obi Wan.

    Hahaha
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  • Agreed. If the hero factions were balanced, you wouldnt see matches where you lose to a DS team 0-1, then stomp the same players 10-0, and they get 0 eliminations. A balanced match should have similar, or at least closer, results.
  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    I’m not gonna go into some essay-Long post on this like I’ve done before.

    Eh, why not?
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I don’t need to justify my title.

    Yes you do.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I’ve made my feelings clear for the last year. If you actually play the game, then you understand.

    I do play the game, but no, I don't understand.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    When you really think about what most of the Dark Side abilities can do, and then compare that to what Jedi can do, it’s a joke.

    TOTALLY agree! Man, the Jedi romp! There are three maps where three characters from the light side can just fling you straight off the map to your death, where the DS only gets one. Vader gets an ability to ignore stamina and a small damage reduction for a short amount of time but then is out of stamina after that, but Rey gets to ignore stamina for a much longer amount of time, can see through walls, is removed from the enemy radar, and then is perfectly fine after it runs out. Yeah Boba has his trick with his rockets and his jetpack, but the LightSide gets 2 guys that can auto-aim and one guy with spread on his primary weapon that make it cake to take that guy down out of the sky, and once Boba hits the ground, he's got very few hit points to live with. Obi-Wan has a power that is just death to anyone who can't block with a lightsaber, Leia has an ability that will melt characters trying to kill her with a lightsaber, and Han.... dude, in the right hands he's just straight brutality on the battlefield.

    Nerf Lightside!

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  • Agreed. If the hero factions were balanced, you wouldnt see matches where you lose to a DS team 0-1, then stomp the same players 10-0, and they get 0 eliminations. A balanced match should have similar, or at least closer, results.

    +1
  • Xerogon wrote: »
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I’m not gonna go into some essay-Long post on this like I’ve done before.

    Eh, why not?
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I don’t need to justify my title.

    Yes you do.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I’ve made my feelings clear for the last year. If you actually play the game, then you understand.

    I do play the game, but no, I don't understand.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    When you really think about what most of the Dark Side abilities can do, and then compare that to what Jedi can do, it’s a joke.

    TOTALLY agree! Man, the Jedi romp! There are three maps where three characters from the light side can just fling you straight off the map to your death, where the DS only gets one. Vader gets an ability to ignore stamina and a small damage reduction for a short amount of time but then is out of stamina after that, but Rey gets to ignore stamina for a much longer amount of time, can see through walls, is removed from the enemy radar, and then is perfectly fine after it runs out. Yeah Boba has his trick with his rockets and his jetpack, but the LightSide gets 2 guys that can auto-aim and one guy with spread on his primary weapon that make it cake to take that guy down out of the sky, and once Boba hits the ground, he's got very few hit points to live with. Obi-Wan has a power that is just death to anyone who can't block with a lightsaber, Leia has an ability that will melt characters trying to kill her with a lightsaber, and Han.... dude, in the right hands he's just straight brutality on the battlefield.

    Nerf Lightside!

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  • Xerogon wrote: »
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I’m not gonna go into some essay-Long post on this like I’ve done before.

    Eh, why not?
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I don’t need to justify my title.

    Yes you do.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I’ve made my feelings clear for the last year. If you actually play the game, then you understand.

    I do play the game, but no, I don't understand.
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    When you really think about what most of the Dark Side abilities can do, and then compare that to what Jedi can do, it’s a joke.

    TOTALLY agree! Man, the Jedi romp! There are three maps where three characters from the light side can just fling you straight off the map to your death, where the DS only gets one. Vader gets an ability to ignore stamina and a small damage reduction for a short amount of time but then is out of stamina after that, but Rey gets to ignore stamina for a much longer amount of time, can see through walls, is removed from the enemy radar, and then is perfectly fine after it runs out. Yeah Boba has his trick with his rockets and his jetpack, but the LightSide gets 2 guys that can auto-aim and one guy with spread on his primary weapon that make it cake to take that guy down out of the sky, and once Boba hits the ground, he's got very few hit points to live with. Obi-Wan has a power that is just death to anyone who can't block with a lightsaber, Leia has an ability that will melt characters trying to kill her with a lightsaber, and Han.... dude, in the right hands he's just straight brutality on the battlefield.

    Nerf Lightside!

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  • You got two guys that are built like a tank that deal and can take tremendous damage (Darth Vader and Grievous), characters who can fly and have myriad abilities, all the immobilizing effects, and still #1 OP: Palpatine. If he couldn't float up and down (which besides being ridiculous is completely non-canon in both movie and animated series) then it would be more fair. Also Grievous should not be able to deflect laser fire, as he does not have the Jedi abilities/reflexes to do so (and please don't suggest his "cybernetic implants" could do that). The best character on the light side is Rey who has balanced abilities; everyone else is an average joe trying to make their way in the universe. Advantage: Dark Side (again).
  • You got two guys that are built like a tank that deal and can take tremendous damage (Darth Vader and Grievous), characters who can fly and have myriad abilities, all the immobilizing effects, and still #1 OP: Palpatine. If he couldn't float up and down (which besides being ridiculous is completely non-canon in both movie and animated series) then it would be more fair. Also Grievous should not be able to deflect laser fire, as he does not have the Jedi abilities/reflexes to do so (and please don't suggest his "cybernetic implants" could do that). The best character on the light side is Rey who has balanced abilities; everyone else is an average joe trying to make their way in the universe. Advantage: Dark Side (again).

    /shrug. You got three guys that are built with speed that can tap one button and send any number of villains over the ledge to their deaths regardless of how many hit points they have (Luke, Yoda, Kenobi, though Han and Chewie can do it too), characters who can auto-aim and have myriad abilities, just as many if not more immobilizing effects, and still #1 OP: Han. If he couldn't knock any character down by throwing Detonite behind them and nuking them from behind while they attempt to dodge or block his shots (which besides being ridiculous is completely non-canon in both movie and animated series, okay, he hit one guy with a satchel that he didn't detonate.) then it would be more fair. Also, Chewie should not be able to throw a stun grenade, as he has never been shown to do that either. The best character on the dark side is Kylo who has balanced abilities; everyone else is an average joe trying to make their way to galactic domination. Advantage: People who state their opinions like they were facts.

    These are all just opinions. I've gone 10-0 as Light Side. I've been rolled 0-10. Usually the score is somewhere in between. Han and Lando will straight murder you if you let them. Luke is a **** on ledges. Finn can highscore because people seem to ignore him even though he's killing them over and over, doesn't make him OP'd.

    To be fair, I totally agree with you on Grievous. He Shouldn't be able to block blaster fire. I agree that Force Trained can do it because they use precognition to know where the bolt is headed and put the saber there first. However, he's shown doing it multiple times in the show so..... /shrug again. I tell myself that the line "I have been trained in your Jedi Arts by Count Dooku" means more than we gave him credit for.
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    More likely he’ll be just as useless as Obi Wan.

    his mind trick was so posed to be godly and a game changer but it turned out to be complete crap because its duration is so god awful it needs a duration buff badly.
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  • unit900000 wrote: »
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    More likely he’ll be just as useless as Obi Wan.

    his mind trick was so posed to be godly and a game changer but it turned out to be complete crap because its duration is so god awful it needs a duration buff badly.

    I agree with this.

    I've always kind of wondered why Palpatine, Dark Lord of the Sith that was able to pull a blanket over everyone's senses including every single Jedi Master, didn't get some kind of concealing or Force Rebuke ability. Or Force Immunity. "For a small amount of time, Emperor Palpatine is immune to Force Powers." Mmmmm....
  • Thechosen1_anakin
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    edited December 2018
    unit900000 wrote: »
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    More likely he’ll be just as useless as Obi Wan.

    his mind trick was so posed to be godly and a game changer but it turned out to be complete crap because its duration is so god awful it needs a duration buff badly.

    The duration is good with the stat card .It's 5 seconds exactly like how kylo's freeze was. Asking for it to be buffed & it'll end up just like kylo's freeze op
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    Who is that?
    PSN: BucksawBoushh
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    Who is that?

    Darth Sidious son
  • Chewy, Yoda, Finn and Lando can give D.S. fits
  • MC_XIX
    1542 posts Member
    In my experience, a LS team buffed by Yoda and/or Finn is more than a match for the DS. Their health buffs give the LS a large advantage. Some of the DS characters have their own health buffs to counter this but it's often not enough when you have Han and Lando running around with 1000hp.

    The DS has better lightsaber characters (despite Maul and Kylo both being terrible in HvV, Vader and Grievous are incredible) and the LS has better blasters.

    Right now, the DS wins more often because its villains are better at running away as the target than the LS heroes. That's the sad truth.
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    Who is that?

    Darth Sidious son

    No it’s not.
    PSN: BucksawBoushh
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    Don't worry he'll bring balance to the game

    Who is that?

    Darth Sidious son

    No it’s not.

    It actually was confirmed in the last vader comic. He used the force to create him. Vader went through a portal that showed the past & his future battle with ahsoka. That why he says it was foretold that you would be here.
  • MC_XIX wrote: »
    In my experience, a LS team buffed by Yoda and/or Finn is more than a match for the DS. Their health buffs give the LS a large advantage. Some of the DS characters have their own health buffs to counter this but it's often not enough when you have Han and Lando running around with 1000hp.

    The DS has better lightsaber characters (despite Maul and Kylo both being terrible in HvV, Vader and Grievous are incredible) and the LS has better blasters.

    Right now, the DS wins more often because its villains are better at running away as the target than the LS heroes. That's the sad truth.

    Spoken like someone who's never done a private match smh. The darkside wins because they're that much better not because they run. Better cc & damage out put,
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