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The Dark Side is so Overpowered it’s not even Fun Anymore

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  • MC_XIX wrote: »
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    In my experience, a LS team buffed by Yoda and/or Finn is more than a match for the DS. Their health buffs give the LS a large advantage. Some of the DS characters have their own health buffs to counter this but it's often not enough when you have Han and Lando running around with 1000hp.

    The DS has better lightsaber characters (despite Maul and Kylo both being terrible in HvV, Vader and Grievous are incredible) and the LS has better blasters.

    Right now, the DS wins more often because its villains are better at running away as the target than the LS heroes. That's the sad truth.

    Spoken like someone who's never done a private match smh. The darkside wins because they're that much better not because they run. Better cc & damage out put,

    I've never done a private match because I'm not interested in those. I play public matches, mostly by myself, and I've found I win more matches as the LS. Mostly because I use Han and Lando quite a lot, or buff my teammates with Yoda.

    The main reason why I sometimes lose to the DS is because Boba and Maul run away and are very often tricky to hunt down with Han or Lando.

    That’s probably because you’re better with blaster heroes than saber heroes. For saber players such as me and @lerodemmy though, the DS has much better saber users.

    On the contrary, I try to be equally proficient with every hero and villain. I wouldn't say I'm really better with blasters, but I get better scores with blasters because they are simply stronger than sabers.

    I agree that the DS has slightly better sabers overall, but only because Vader and Grievous are monsters. Kylo and Maul are a joke. The order of sabers in HvV for me as of last update is:

    1. Darth Vader
    2. General Grievous
    3. Rey
    4. Yoda
    5. Obi Wan
    6. Luke
    7. Kylo Ren
    8. Darth Maul

    The DS has the top 2 sabers, but also the bottom 2 IMO. So to me, it's fairly balanced in that respect. Now I'm all for a LS saber buff so that their heroes can match Vader, but Maul and Kylo should also be buffed so that they're not more useless than they already are. Maul in particular is awful in HvV. He has no defence whatsoever.

    Maul would beat Yoda 1v1. Kylo would beat Obi Wan and Luke 1v1 as well.

    Kylo is only going to beat them if he freezes them and follows up with frenzy...and if frenzy actually works.
  • MC_XIX wrote: »
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    MC_XIX wrote: »
    In my experience, a LS team buffed by Yoda and/or Finn is more than a match for the DS. Their health buffs give the LS a large advantage. Some of the DS characters have their own health buffs to counter this but it's often not enough when you have Han and Lando running around with 1000hp.

    The DS has better lightsaber characters (despite Maul and Kylo both being terrible in HvV, Vader and Grievous are incredible) and the LS has better blasters.

    Right now, the DS wins more often because its villains are better at running away as the target than the LS heroes. That's the sad truth.

    Spoken like someone who's never done a private match smh. The darkside wins because they're that much better not because they run. Better cc & damage out put,

    I've never done a private match because I'm not interested in those. I play public matches, mostly by myself, and I've found I win more matches as the LS. Mostly because I use Han and Lando quite a lot, or buff my teammates with Yoda.

    The main reason why I sometimes lose to the DS is because Boba and Maul run away and are very often tricky to hunt down with Han or Lando.

    That’s probably because you’re better with blaster heroes than saber heroes. For saber players such as me and @lerodemmy though, the DS has much better saber users.

    On the contrary, I try to be equally proficient with every hero and villain. I wouldn't say I'm really better with blasters, but I get better scores with blasters because they are simply stronger than sabers.

    I agree that the DS has slightly better sabers overall, but only because Vader and Grievous are monsters. Kylo and Maul are a joke. The order of sabers in HvV for me as of last update is:

    1. Darth Vader
    2. General Grievous
    3. Rey
    4. Yoda
    5. Obi Wan
    6. Luke
    7. Kylo Ren
    8. Darth Maul

    The DS has the top 2 sabers, but also the bottom 2 IMO. So to me, it's fairly balanced in that respect. Now I'm all for a LS saber buff so that their heroes can match Vader, but Maul and Kylo should also be buffed so that they're not more useless than they already are. Maul in particular is awful in HvV. He has no defence whatsoever.

    Are you gonna take me up on the offer?? I still want you to see how your opinion changes of balance.

    Private matches won't change my opinion. I judge the game based on every aspect. HvV, GA, even HS. Maybe you could convince me that the DS is slightly stronger in HvV, but the LS is better at winning GA matches because of Yoda, Finn and Rey, so nerfing the DS or buffing the LS will unbalance that mode. We can't change characters based solely on their strength in HvV because GA is the most popular mode and will always come first when any changes are made to characters.

    This game doesn’t have private matches. I’m saying play with us.

    The game doesn't have private matches but, thst doesn't mean you & 7 other players can't set something up to get your own lobby. Done it plenty of times
  • Axone
    423 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    I really do hope Anakin will be as strong as Vader. If not, then "we" are gonna have a problem with the game developer. This is absurd that the dark side is overpower that is not fun for the game anymore.

    Also, please slight buff every single light side character.
    Please don't nerf any dark side but rather buff light side character instead.
  • While I do agree that the light side does need some buffs... I also think it comes down to your team play, who is holding the controller and whether or not you are in a party. I play A LOT of HvV by myself, which kind of sucks (adding new teammates/adding friends and creating parties with people you recently played with should be easier on console—hoping this changes) but I get thrown into random lobbies with different people all the time. Most of the time it comes down to how well the team is playing as a collective group and who is holding the controller rather than what heroes are out there.
  • Phantom_A320
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    edited December 2018
    While I do agree that the light side does need some buffs... I also think it comes down to your team play, who is holding the controller and whether or not you are in a party. I play A LOT of HvV by myself, which kind of sucks (adding new teammates/adding friends and creating parties with people you recently played with should be easier on console—hoping this changes) but I get thrown into random lobbies with different people all the time. Most of the time it comes down to how well the team is playing as a collective group and who is holding the controller rather than what heroes are out there.

    That is only true to a degree... if you get frozen then rocket barraged or frozen then repeatedly shot in the face by Phasma it doesn’t matter who’s behind the controller or who’s in your group. You’ll die. The light side has no combination of heroes that have similar result. Plain and simple.
  • "The dark side is so overpowered it's not even fun anymore"

    Why don't you play solo with some noobs and show us a thing or two? That'll be fun
  • "The dark side is so overpowered it's not even fun anymore"

    Why don't you play solo with some noobs and show us a thing or two? That'll be fun

    Are your posts typically this pointless?

    What would that prove?
  • "The dark side is so overpowered it's not even fun anymore"

    Why don't you play solo with some noobs and show us a thing or two? That'll be fun
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  • The_Rookie
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    edited December 2018
    I'd just like to reiterate that the Dark Side is outrageously overpowered in HvV. It's inexcusable and unacceptable. Though it is funny watching so many people try to make excuses.
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  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    I'd just like to reiterate that the Dark Side is outrageously overpowered in HvV. It's inexcusable and unacceptable. Though it is funny watching so many people try to make excuses.

    It’s most telling when there’s tough and/or close matches as the light side then when you become the dark side next round, you win with ease.
  • Kryaliz
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    edited December 2018
    Landeaux2 wrote: »
    lerodemmy wrote: »
    I'd just like to reiterate that the Dark Side is outrageously overpowered in HvV. It's inexcusable and unacceptable. Though it is funny watching so many people try to make excuses.

    It’s most telling when there’s tough and/or close matches as the light side then when you become the dark side next round, you win with ease.

    Absolutely.

    More than once, I struggled to win like 2 - 0 or even 1 - 0 as LS, with a lot of tryhard, frustration ect.

    Then, when the side changes, it's like a 8 - 0 absolute stomp, even though we still keep the same 8 people in the game, and the same teams.

    Very telling about the balance of the game. I'm very used to say that the challenge is not to win as any side, but to win as LS against DS with the same amount of skill per team, in average and individually speaking.

    There are team compositions you will never win against, when the ennemy team have 2 excellent players. Something like Iden + Vader + Grievous + Kylo Ren (just for Frenzy) OR a Runner like Maul/Boba is an absolute nightmare. They basically and without any effort can win any frontal engage at 3 against 4. Too many HPs, too many stuns, too much burst, too much DPS, too much map control.

    And I'm not even talking about the Droid's battery thing card, that grants an absolute bugged bonus to Iden's abilities. And it's like Devs does not even care about it. Plus, they know it, since months. I don't see why we couldn't be able to send the publisher in court for such *****. But hey, dreamin'.

    I found Leia to be a really good solution when the quality of your aim follows. She has a way better DPS than anyone thinks, and probably a slightly better "practical DPS" than Han even if I count the detonite charge. Plus, it lets other "more interesting and lower-skill-needed" heroes at the disposition of your team. Plus, it counters Palps and any Kylo/Maul that would stupidly rush you (take the card that lowers the damages taken when using the E-11). But still, it's far to be a perfect solution.

    You see it you name it, the DS is just totally OP. It's not that rare to see people leaving the game when it's their time to play as LS. Can't blame them, even if it's pure unsportsmanship.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    My recommendation would be Han, Leia, Finn and Chewy. That’s in a group session if it was my usual members. DS is Boba, Kylo, Iden and Palps. These suit our teams play style therefore I recommend it but it’s down to how you want to play as a group and what your other players strengths are. Would not recommend any melee based characters other than Kylo simply because he serves a functional purpose, the others don’t imo

    I have never seen a team with more than 3 shooters win. They get stomped since they are only for longer range.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    My recommendation would be Han, Leia, Finn and Chewy. That’s in a group session if it was my usual members. DS is Boba, Kylo, Iden and Palps. These suit our teams play style therefore I recommend it but it’s down to how you want to play as a group and what your other players strengths are. Would not recommend any melee based characters other than Kylo simply because he serves a functional purpose, the others don’t imo

    I have never seen a team with more than 3 shooters win. They get stomped since they are only for longer range.

    You must play very little.

    We’ve had plenty of teams all blasters win. It’s actually very frequent.
  • "The dark side is so overpowered it's not even fun anymore"

    Why don't you play solo with some noobs and show us a thing or two? That'll be fun

    Are your posts typically this pointless?

    What would that prove?

    He said it's not fun anymore

    I know he plays in a team of 4 Pros that wreck all their opposition

    So I suggested instead of playing with his team of 4 pros, go play with a team of solo noobs, that way it will be fun for him. Money back guarantee.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    My recommendation would be Han, Leia, Finn and Chewy. That’s in a group session if it was my usual members. DS is Boba, Kylo, Iden and Palps. These suit our teams play style therefore I recommend it but it’s down to how you want to play as a group and what your other players strengths are. Would not recommend any melee based characters other than Kylo simply because he serves a functional purpose, the others don’t imo

    I have never seen a team with more than 3 shooters win. They get stomped since they are only for longer range.

    Must be console then since blaster is significantly superior to saber.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    My recommendation would be Han, Leia, Finn and Chewy. That’s in a group session if it was my usual members. DS is Boba, Kylo, Iden and Palps. These suit our teams play style therefore I recommend it but it’s down to how you want to play as a group and what your other players strengths are. Would not recommend any melee based characters other than Kylo simply because he serves a functional purpose, the others don’t imo

    I have never seen a team with more than 3 shooters win. They get stomped since they are only for longer range.

    Must be console then since blaster is significantly superior to saber.

    Even on console the group I play with does very well all blaster.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Might just be me but i actually think a rey, obi-wan, lando, Finn team can beat the darkside.

    It could work potentially, but a better one would probably be Han, Finn, Rey/Obi and Lando. Stuns plus two other blaster users able to focus fire? Beautiful. All you have to do is stay at a reasonable distance from each other so Vader can't group hug you guys.

    My recommendation would be Han, Leia, Finn and Chewy. That’s in a group session if it was my usual members. DS is Boba, Kylo, Iden and Palps. These suit our teams play style therefore I recommend it but it’s down to how you want to play as a group and what your other players strengths are. Would not recommend any melee based characters other than Kylo simply because he serves a functional purpose, the others don’t imo

    I have never seen a team with more than 3 shooters win. They get stomped since they are only for longer range.

    Must be console then since blaster is significantly superior to saber.

    Even on console the group I play with does very well all blaster.

    I’ve seen some pretty decent console blaster users, just few and far between it seems. Similar to PC though I gather where the good players usually congregate together, that’s how most teams are make including mine lol.
  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    I'd just like to reiterate that the Dark Side is outrageously overpowered in HvV. It's inexcusable and unacceptable. Though it is funny watching so many people try to make excuses.

    Now are they really gonna fix them though? No. All they succeed in doing is nerfing Chews. They can barely separate balance for heroes.
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  • bfloo
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    The heroes aren't balanced around HvV. It needs to be balanced separately from ga.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    The heroes aren't balanced around HvV. It needs to be balanced separately from ga.

    This more than anything.
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  • Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage
  • Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
  • Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?
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  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?

    Too many people perceive imbalance issues because they are expecting balance between each hero, which isn’t the case and won’t ever be.

    Out of both LS and DS optimal lineups the winner will be based on who is better and has the best strategy. Team vs team play in my experience on PC is fairly balanced when players of a fairy equal level play.
  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?

    Too many people perceive imbalance issues because they are expecting balance between each hero, which isn’t the case and won’t ever be.

    Out of both LS and DS optimal lineups the winner will be based on who is better and has the best strategy. Team vs team play in my experience on PC is fairly balanced when players of a fairy equal level play.

    I have played on PC, and I can say you're incorrect. The only difference between console play and PC play, are blasters are easier to play on PC. PC combat feels slight faster due to the FOV slider which changes the perspective of the game.

    The imbalance is still there. DS is 100% stronger on PC as it is on PS4 and Xbox
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  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?

    Too many people perceive imbalance issues because they are expecting balance between each hero, which isn’t the case and won’t ever be.

    Out of both LS and DS optimal lineups the winner will be based on who is better and has the best strategy. Team vs team play in my experience on PC is fairly balanced when players of a fairy equal level play.

    I have played on PC, and I can say you're incorrect. The only difference between console play and PC play, are blasters are easier to play on PC. PC combat feels slight faster due to the FOV slider which changes the perspective of the game.

    The imbalance is still there. DS is 100% stronger on PC as it is on PS4 and Xbox

    Not completely true. The DS definitely still has an advantage on PC, but not as much so as on console.
  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?

    Too many people perceive imbalance issues because they are expecting balance between each hero, which isn’t the case and won’t ever be.

    Out of both LS and DS optimal lineups the winner will be based on who is better and has the best strategy. Team vs team play in my experience on PC is fairly balanced when players of a fairy equal level play.

    I have played on PC, and I can say you're incorrect. The only difference between console play and PC play, are blasters are easier to play on PC. PC combat feels slight faster due to the FOV slider which changes the perspective of the game.

    The imbalance is still there. DS is 100% stronger on PC as it is on PS4 and Xbox

    Not completely true. The DS definitely still has an advantage on PC, but not as much so as on console.

    Yes it is, they are still vastly superior on PC.
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  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?

    Too many people perceive imbalance issues because they are expecting balance between each hero, which isn’t the case and won’t ever be.

    Out of both LS and DS optimal lineups the winner will be based on who is better and has the best strategy. Team vs team play in my experience on PC is fairly balanced when players of a fairy equal level play.

    I have played on PC, and I can say you're incorrect. The only difference between console play and PC play, are blasters are easier to play on PC. PC combat feels slight faster due to the FOV slider which changes the perspective of the game.

    The imbalance is still there. DS is 100% stronger on PC as it is on PS4 and Xbox

    Not completely true. The DS definitely still has an advantage on PC, but not as much so as on console.

    Yes it is, they are still vastly superior on PC.

    Must be the lobbies you play in. Side is irrelevant in most 4v4 sessions we play.
  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?

    Too many people perceive imbalance issues because they are expecting balance between each hero, which isn’t the case and won’t ever be.

    Out of both LS and DS optimal lineups the winner will be based on who is better and has the best strategy. Team vs team play in my experience on PC is fairly balanced when players of a fairy equal level play.

    I have played on PC, and I can say you're incorrect. The only difference between console play and PC play, are blasters are easier to play on PC. PC combat feels slight faster due to the FOV slider which changes the perspective of the game.

    The imbalance is still there. DS is 100% stronger on PC as it is on PS4 and Xbox

    Not completely true. The DS definitely still has an advantage on PC, but not as much so as on console.

    Yes it is, they are still vastly superior on PC.

    Must be the lobbies you play in. Side is irrelevant in most 4v4 sessions we play.

    This comment explains a lot. Ty.
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  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?

    Too many people perceive imbalance issues because they are expecting balance between each hero, which isn’t the case and won’t ever be.

    Out of both LS and DS optimal lineups the winner will be based on who is better and has the best strategy. Team vs team play in my experience on PC is fairly balanced when players of a fairy equal level play.

    I have played on PC, and I can say you're incorrect. The only difference between console play and PC play, are blasters are easier to play on PC. PC combat feels slight faster due to the FOV slider which changes the perspective of the game.

    The imbalance is still there. DS is 100% stronger on PC as it is on PS4 and Xbox

    Not completely true. The DS definitely still has an advantage on PC, but not as much so as on console.

    Yes it is, they are still vastly superior on PC.

    No. Only slightly overpowered. But still overpowered.
  • lerodemmy wrote: »
    Novafire wrote: »
    Psy3d wrote: »
    Wait DS gets stronger with every update? You know as LS has very strong blaster users like Lando, Han and chewie? They can destroy any DS saber users if they work, use stuns and roll spam together. If a pesky Kylo keeps freezing then any adept Luke or yoda can come to rescue with force push to clear things out to buy time. Obi is useless but his mindtrick and combined with that strong independent woman Rey's mindtrick is serious bad news for DS saber users.

    All I'll say LS is not weak but way more teamwork is needed in HvV compared to the DS - which I think how it's supposed to be...where for the good guys it's always an uphill battle.

    Thats kinda the point... Light side should not be REQUIRED to outnumber darkside to win. Any dark side team that knows to stay together is an instant game over for light side because they have no defense against all the stun spam and damage

    That is simply incorrect. A proper LS team makeup and with non-potato players is equal to DS. The reason most people don’t think so is that they are using sabers or simply need to get better strategies
    Which means the DS has a better selection of viable characters. They have three characters who should absolutely never lose to a Jedi on any platform. That is not fair to those who want to play Jedi.

    Why should the LS have to pick specific characters to try and even the odds?

    Too many people perceive imbalance issues because they are expecting balance between each hero, which isn’t the case and won’t ever be.

    Out of both LS and DS optimal lineups the winner will be based on who is better and has the best strategy. Team vs team play in my experience on PC is fairly balanced when players of a fairy equal level play.

    I have played on PC, and I can say you're incorrect. The only difference between console play and PC play, are blasters are easier to play on PC. PC combat feels slight faster due to the FOV slider which changes the perspective of the game.

    The imbalance is still there. DS is 100% stronger on PC as it is on PS4 and Xbox

    Not completely true. The DS definitely still has an advantage on PC, but not as much so as on console.

    Yes it is, they are still vastly superior on PC.

    Must be the lobbies you play in. Side is irrelevant in most 4v4 sessions we play.

    This comment explains a lot. Ty.

    Everything is perspective based in reality. The biggest reasons people have differing opinions. That has a raft of factors why that is but cannot be bothered going into those
  • I'm willing to withhold judgement as to what exactly gives DS an advantage until the target system is removed.

    If we start getting balanced games, then the evading/spawnkilling made possible by the superior mobility of DS characters like Boba or Palpatine is the obvious culprit as to why DS wins more easily.

    If DS is still winning more frequently during the event, then the DS's excessive CC abilities in some comps may need looked at (thinking Vader/Kylo, Iden, Palp, and Boba metas that are pretty hard to counter).

    However after coming back from a lot of BFV (with improved shooting skills, think this game made me lazy) and absolutely demolishing pub lobbies with Han and other LS blasters even more than I remember, they may do fine. LS blasters are nothing to be trifled with.

    It's more that more than 1-2 sabers is not a smart idea, and that the DS has 1-2 sabers that are just flat better at HvV.
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  • The DS can play 4 solo randoms and wreck havoc against an equally skilled 4 solo LS randoms. It's takes time to build team work. Has been since day one, only gotten worse. I'm a solo slightly above average HVV player. But as a DS Pro team it's not fun, maybe the Pro team could use one hand to play as DS lol.
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