Kylo Ren is a trash hero & needs major buffs
January 11, 2019 12:12PM
edited January 11
Yes I understand that some of you do good with him but, that doesn't mean he's not terrible. Good players make bad characters look good. I'll start with HvV nobody fears kylo unless iden or boba fett are around no matter how good you are. Frenzy every lightsaber hero can out damage him & knock him out of it. Every blaster hero can either out damage him, stun or knock him out of frenzy with the exception of Finn who can just activate big deal & tank his frenzy. In GA you're crazy if you have bloodlust as a card it's a quick way to die especially against wookies. His lightsaber swings are to slow & often times he can't lock on to anybody his tracking is terrible. A lot of think obi-wan is terrible or the worst lightsaber user, when clearly kylo needs work.
My suggestions would be,
Buff his lightsaber damage why on earth he has 100 damage with his slow swing speed makes no sense. The girl who bested him & never even held a lightsaber before & isn't even trained to use one is a far better hero than him. His lightsaber should do 110 damage.
Next buff his lightsaber tracking needs to be fixed. Look at mauls, vader, rey, & luke for how it's supposed to be. I often can't hit anyone right in front of me. either due to the game not registering hits or kylo not closing the distant like the aforementioned characters.
Pull- his pull should do 90 base damage & with the card do a total of 140 damage. His pull should get the luke treatment by luke treatment I mean when luke abilities got buffed in GA & made to be useful
Freeze- his freeze should only have a duration of 1.5 seconds. Idk why you guys have it at 5 whole seconds! I'm not with the break at 200 crowd but it does need to be nerfed. If you get caught in freeze a good amount of damage should be done but not losing all 750/700/650/600 of your health.
Frenzy- kylo should be able to cancel frenzy by dashing out of it or by pressing the buttons again.
Make kylo great. He's the coolest character in the game he has the coolest abilities in the game yet he's lacking in the oomph department.
-note I don't think buffing kylo would make the darkside op in HvV. If he doesn't have a blaster hero next to him nobody fears kylo nobody. So nerfing his freeze & buffing other aspects should balance him
My suggestions would be,
Buff his lightsaber damage why on earth he has 100 damage with his slow swing speed makes no sense. The girl who bested him & never even held a lightsaber before & isn't even trained to use one is a far better hero than him. His lightsaber should do 110 damage.
Next buff his lightsaber tracking needs to be fixed. Look at mauls, vader, rey, & luke for how it's supposed to be. I often can't hit anyone right in front of me. either due to the game not registering hits or kylo not closing the distant like the aforementioned characters.
Pull- his pull should do 90 base damage & with the card do a total of 140 damage. His pull should get the luke treatment by luke treatment I mean when luke abilities got buffed in GA & made to be useful
Freeze- his freeze should only have a duration of 1.5 seconds. Idk why you guys have it at 5 whole seconds! I'm not with the break at 200 crowd but it does need to be nerfed. If you get caught in freeze a good amount of damage should be done but not losing all 750/700/650/600 of your health.
Frenzy- kylo should be able to cancel frenzy by dashing out of it or by pressing the buttons again.
Make kylo great. He's the coolest character in the game he has the coolest abilities in the game yet he's lacking in the oomph department.
-note I don't think buffing kylo would make the darkside op in HvV. If he doesn't have a blaster hero next to him nobody fears kylo nobody. So nerfing his freeze & buffing other aspects should balance him
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I did forget about that. Thanks bro will edit
In any case, I would only fix him Frenzy and the only buff I’d give him is his Pull dmg up to 100 so he gets OHK with Harsh Pull.
Which is a shame, because as boushh said, his pull & freeze are so fun to use
I played a game the other day versus some very average players, mind you, & I made a point to do nothing but pull & freeze people
We still won haha
He can be great fun to play, but you always feel that you have to be ever so careful to not make the slightest mistake or you are dead or had over half your health taken before you can blink
Not sure what he needs but against troopers at least he needs a buff of some description
Against hero’s however he is can be their biggest nightmare, one freeze and a competent nearby trooper and they are toast
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not as bad as kylo but yes it is true but this also applies to darth maul, boba fett, phasma, finn, and luke
We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.
You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.
Pirate of the Knights of Gareth
Like I said just because you can do good with him doesn't mean he's not trash. I do good with phasma yet she's still the worst hero in the game. You can put make up on on a pig & it'll still be a pig. The analogy is you can do good with a bad character doesn't mean the character is good. Also yes buff luke damage to heros.
As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind
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https://battlefront-forums.ea.com/discussion/126706/a-list-of-maps-they-could-add-to-this-game-spoiler-alert-its-a-long-list#latest
God how did forget that.
Nothing worse than thinking you're about to frenzy a trooper only to find a Wookie nearby he targets instead. Ugh.
Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster
if ever, and telling the truth I’ve got no idea what it is actually meant to do
Aimbot
Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.
Concepts for potential maps:
https://battlefront-forums.ea.com/discussion/126706/a-list-of-maps-they-could-add-to-this-game-spoiler-alert-its-a-long-list#latest
this. id say something as well but im just wasting my time at this point.
No. No he’s not.
Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.
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That Specialist rework was disappointing.
Yeah he actually is.
He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.
Concepts for potential maps:
https://battlefront-forums.ea.com/discussion/126706/a-list-of-maps-they-could-add-to-this-game-spoiler-alert-its-a-long-list#latest
I can do good with & have done good with kylo & phasma doesn't mean they don't suck.
Yeah I’ve come around on him too. Initially I thought he was terrible, but his play style just took some getting used too. His damage output is great. I hope they adjust the clunkyness of his abilities though. They need to be a little more fluid.
His running animation also looks horrible.
Concepts for potential maps:
https://battlefront-forums.ea.com/discussion/126706/a-list-of-maps-they-could-add-to-this-game-spoiler-alert-its-a-long-list#latest
Grevious only wins cause he can spam
he is the guy for move spammers if there vader gets taken
I kind of do mind though. I do not want this games balance mechanics balanced around those who simply haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing. That’s what happened at Launch with SCS, Palpatine, and Roll nerf. Now look at those two functions in game and Palpatine. One is borderline not used anymore, the other is spammed and glitch spammed at that to do so endlessly, and Palpatine is a different experience across all platforms. Yeah, great balancing suggested by the “Amazing and Experienced” players.
My point is, if people want balance, if they have a suggestion, they need to start posting videos of the issue, then in detail explaining why their suggestion would be an improvement, and also knowing their time played within this game/experience would help in dividends to those reading the suggestion/post itself, (Devs especially).
Those of us here who have been here since the beginning/since last game as well, know that 9/10 nerf/buff posts are generally “Nerf it because it killed me” or “I have no idea how to do this right or overcome this so Buff this (insert thing needing buff)”.
If the worst players dictate balance changes, they will still be the worst players, and they will just end up widening the skill gap between themselves, and better players.
Truth.
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Best part of the scs crying is there is still explosive damage through walls and any type of cover. 90% of the kills I used to get with scs I still get with the base sentry, but nothing is as good as scs was against vehicles, at least for the heavy.
Palps they started playing with too early, I never had the time to really judge him one way or the other. I saw a few use him on youtube before the 1st patch and he looked good to me. But he has been broken ever since the first patch. If Palps had a ls, I would have used him more, that was the best ls combat ever was in this game.
roll/ dodge spam is just a mess. The 2 roll/ dodge limit they added barely makes a difference to me. I don't even know how long it was there before I noticed it, I had to ask what the 2 was next to my health bar the other day.
Pirate of the Knights of Gareth
Obviously any saber hero is going to beat Phasma, Iden, Bossk or a Maul that stays and fights or is mind tricked. He may beat Kylo, but Kylo is terrible. Hence this thread you’re in. Obi ain’t good in HVV. IMO.
Well unfortunately this isn't a nerf it because it killed me post. This is I've been playing the game since launch & kylo has remained the worst saber hero in the game. There are reasons kylo isn't a prime pick for GA on any map on any phase not even his own st maps you're better saving points & getting vader or maul any other era hero.
I never said this post was a post of that substance. But I did want to elaborate on this forum’s history with post of this nature. Food for thought.
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Nah he's not good in HvV unless the whole team has blasters
Obi's abilities rarely work. He was almost great out of the box for me in HvV.
Today they worked and I started to run wild towards the end.
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And that's why he's better than Obi. Obi cannot counter Grievous at all.
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That Specialist rework was disappointing.
For now.
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