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Kylo Ren is a trash hero & needs major buffs

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Thechosen1_anakin
5501 posts Member
edited January 11
Yes I understand that some of you do good with him but, that doesn't mean he's not terrible. Good players make bad characters look good. I'll start with HvV nobody fears kylo unless iden or boba fett are around no matter how good you are. Frenzy every lightsaber hero can out damage him & knock him out of it. Every blaster hero can either out damage him, stun or knock him out of frenzy with the exception of Finn who can just activate big deal & tank his frenzy. In GA you're crazy if you have bloodlust as a card it's a quick way to die especially against wookies. His lightsaber swings are to slow & often times he can't lock on to anybody his tracking is terrible. A lot of think obi-wan is terrible or the worst lightsaber user, when clearly kylo needs work.

My suggestions would be,
Buff his lightsaber damage why on earth he has 100 damage with his slow swing speed makes no sense. The girl who bested him & never even held a lightsaber before & isn't even trained to use one is a far better hero than him. His lightsaber should do 110 damage.

Next buff his lightsaber tracking needs to be fixed. Look at mauls, vader, rey, & luke for how it's supposed to be. I often can't hit anyone right in front of me. either due to the game not registering hits or kylo not closing the distant like the aforementioned characters.

Pull- his pull should do 90 base damage & with the card do a total of 140 damage. His pull should get the luke treatment by luke treatment I mean when luke abilities got buffed in GA & made to be useful

Freeze- his freeze should only have a duration of 1.5 seconds. Idk why you guys have it at 5 whole seconds! I'm not with the break at 200 crowd but it does need to be nerfed. If you get caught in freeze a good amount of damage should be done but not losing all 750/700/650/600 of your health.


Frenzy- kylo should be able to cancel frenzy by dashing out of it or by pressing the buttons again.

Make kylo great. He's the coolest character in the game he has the coolest abilities in the game yet he's lacking in the oomph department.

-note I don't think buffing kylo would make the darkside op in HvV. If he doesn't have a blaster hero next to him nobody fears kylo nobody. So nerfing his freeze & buffing other aspects should balance him
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  • Clone201
    3634 posts Member
    edited January 11
    I like some of these ideas (but not the # values though), but you forgot just one thing for...wait for it...
    Give players the ability to manually CANCEL Frenzy out when it is being used!
    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • Clone201 wrote: »
    I like some of these ideas (but not the # values though), but you forgot just one thing for...wait for it...
    Give players the ability to manually CANCEL Frenzy out when it is being used!

    I did forget about that. Thanks bro will edit
  • MC_XIX
    1535 posts Member
    +1. Frenzy also needs to be reverted to how it was before the last patch. It's unreliable and slower than before.
  • hmmm he is indeed very low tier in GA and I for that reason I haven’t used him enough in that mode. In HvV he is quite decent if used right and IF his Frenzy works and we all know that situation. I only use his Frenzy when paired with his Freeze and it pays off for me, 90% of the times it works for me using it that way.
    In any case, I would only fix him Frenzy and the only buff I’d give him is his Pull dmg up to 100 so he gets OHK with Harsh Pull.
  • Agreed. His frenzy is just too unreliable.

    Which is a shame, because as boushh said, his pull & freeze are so fun to use

    I played a game the other day versus some very average players, mind you, & I made a point to do nothing but pull & freeze people

    We still won haha
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  • Lee1981
    1767 posts Member
    I’m a GA man so can only really comment from him there

    He can be great fun to play, but you always feel that you have to be ever so careful to not make the slightest mistake or you are dead or had over half your health taken before you can blink

    Not sure what he needs but against troopers at least he needs a buff of some description

    Against hero’s however he is can be their biggest nightmare, one freeze and a competent nearby trooper and they are toast
  • I'm not sure I want Frenzy going back to the way it was, but I do agree a damage increase for him all around is warranted. Should absolutely not require a card for Pull to do basic damage.
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  • the only reason he is competent is his abilities. without them he sucks
    cause everything you read on the internet is true...
  • Lee1981
    1767 posts Member
    edited January 11
    the only reason he is competent is his abilities. without them he sucks
    Same as bossk & Lando, take away their abilities then they would both be bottom of the ladder for picks in GA
  • westgreateight8
    905 posts Member
    edited January 11
    Lee1981 wrote: »
    the only reason he is competent is his abilities. without them he sucks
    Same as bossk & Lando, take away their abilities then they would both be bottom of the ladder for picks in GA

    not as bad as kylo but yes it is true but this also applies to darth maul, boba fett, phasma, finn, and luke
    cause everything you read on the internet is true...
  • bfloo
    14501 posts Member
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.
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  • bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    Like I said just because you can do good with him doesn't mean he's not trash. I do good with phasma yet she's still the worst hero in the game. You can put make up on on a pig & it'll still be a pig. The analogy is you can do good with a bad character doesn't mean the character is good. Also yes buff luke damage to heros.
  • bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind
  • Without that crutch freeze ability and aimbot frenzy (when it works), he's OK, at best.
  • Zyder
    342 posts Member
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.
  • His blocking stamina is awful, he needs an increase to that.

    God how did forget that.
  • il96
    445 posts Member
    I love using Kylo in GA, however he cant crowd control, Maybe he can get 2 troopers at a time. I never had a problem his lightsaber hitting, i think he has a slight 2hit combo that takes a trooper down (better than frenzy) I tend to freeze and use it from the back yeah ill take dmg but the regen/health regain covers it. I also jump constantly and use Freeze and Pull in the air. I find that brings great success.

    Nothing worse than thinking you're about to frenzy a trooper only to find a Wookie nearby he targets instead. Ugh.
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  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster
  • Kylo is very weak I agree, he needs a damage reduction card like Yoda or something because he takes damage very poorly, he feels very squishy for a hero. His abilities are great, except Frenzy works only in tiny maps it seems, but other then that he just need some health and lightsaber buffs.
  • Lee1981
    1767 posts Member
    I can’t remember the last time i used frenzy,
    if ever, and telling the truth I’ve got no idea what it is actually meant to do
  • Lee1981 wrote: »
    I can’t remember the last time i used frenzy,
    if ever, and telling the truth I’ve got no idea what it is actually meant to do

    Aimbot
  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.
  • bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    this. id say something as well but im just wasting my time at this point.
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  • kylo needs to be buffed but he is still really fun to play
    cause everything you read on the internet is true...
  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.
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  • Somehow I've always felt Kylo is fine as it is. He's probably the best at chasing down runners.
  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.
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  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.
  • he is only good if he has support
    cause everything you read on the internet is true...
  • unit900000 wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    this. id say something as well but im just wasting my time at this point.

    I can do good with & have done good with kylo & phasma doesn't mean they don't suck.
  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Yeah I’ve come around on him too. Initially I thought he was terrible, but his play style just took some getting used too. His damage output is great. I hope they adjust the clunkyness of his abilities though. They need to be a little more fluid.
  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Yeah I’ve come around on him too. Initially I thought he was terrible, but his play style just took some getting used too. His damage output is great. I hope they adjust the clunkyness of his abilities though. They need to be a little more fluid.

    His running animation also looks horrible.
  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Grevious only wins cause he can spam
  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Grevious only wins cause he can spam

    he is the guy for move spammers if there vader gets taken
    cause everything you read on the internet is true...
  • Dash wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind

    I kind of do mind though. I do not want this games balance mechanics balanced around those who simply haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing. That’s what happened at Launch with SCS, Palpatine, and Roll nerf. Now look at those two functions in game and Palpatine. One is borderline not used anymore, the other is spammed and glitch spammed at that to do so endlessly, and Palpatine is a different experience across all platforms. Yeah, great balancing suggested by the “Amazing and Experienced” players. :neutral:

    My point is, if people want balance, if they have a suggestion, they need to start posting videos of the issue, then in detail explaining why their suggestion would be an improvement, and also knowing their time played within this game/experience would help in dividends to those reading the suggestion/post itself, (Devs especially).

    Those of us here who have been here since the beginning/since last game as well, know that 9/10 nerf/buff posts are generally “Nerf it because it killed me” or “I have no idea how to do this right or overcome this so Buff this (insert thing needing buff)”.

    If the worst players dictate balance changes, they will still be the worst players, and they will just end up widening the skill gap between themselves, and better players.


    Truth.

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  • bfloo
    14501 posts Member
    Dash wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind

    I kind of do mind though. I do not want this games balance mechanics balanced around those who simply haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing. That’s what happened at Launch with SCS, Palpatine, and Roll nerf. Now look at those two functions in game and Palpatine. One is borderline not used anymore, the other is spammed and glitch spammed at that to do so endlessly, and Palpatine is a different experience across all platforms. Yeah, great balancing suggested by the “Amazing and Experienced” players. :neutral:

    My point is, if people want balance, if they have a suggestion, they need to start posting videos of the issue, then in detail explaining why their suggestion would be an improvement, and also knowing their time played within this game/experience would help in dividends to those reading the suggestion/post itself, (Devs especially).

    Those of us here who have been here since the beginning/since last game as well, know that 9/10 nerf/buff posts are generally “Nerf it because it killed me” or “I have no idea how to do this right or overcome this so Buff this (insert thing needing buff)”.

    Truth.

    Best part of the scs crying is there is still explosive damage through walls and any type of cover. 90% of the kills I used to get with scs I still get with the base sentry, but nothing is as good as scs was against vehicles, at least for the heavy.

    Palps they started playing with too early, I never had the time to really judge him one way or the other. I saw a few use him on youtube before the 1st patch and he looked good to me. But he has been broken ever since the first patch. If Palps had a ls, I would have used him more, that was the best ls combat ever was in this game.

    roll/ dodge spam is just a mess. The 2 roll/ dodge limit they added barely makes a difference to me. I don't even know how long it was there before I noticed it, I had to ask what the 2 was next to my health bar the other day.
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  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Obviously any saber hero is going to beat Phasma, Iden, Bossk or a Maul that stays and fights or is mind tricked. He may beat Kylo, but Kylo is terrible. Hence this thread you’re in. Obi ain’t good in HVV. IMO.
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  • Dash wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind

    I kind of do mind though. I do not want this games balance mechanics balanced around those who simply haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing. That’s what happened at Launch with SCS, Palpatine, and Roll nerf. Now look at those two functions in game and Palpatine. One is borderline not used anymore, the other is spammed and glitch spammed at that to do so endlessly, and Palpatine is a different experience across all platforms. Yeah, great balancing suggested by the “Amazing and Experienced” players. :neutral:

    My point is, if people want balance, if they have a suggestion, they need to start posting videos of the issue, then in detail explaining why their suggestion would be an improvement, and also knowing their time played within this game/experience would help in dividends to those reading the suggestion/post itself, (Devs especially).

    Those of us here who have been here since the beginning/since last game as well, know that 9/10 nerf/buff posts are generally “Nerf it because it killed me” or “I have no idea how to do this right or overcome this so Buff this (insert thing needing buff)”.

    Truth.

    Well unfortunately this isn't a nerf it because it killed me post. This is I've been playing the game since launch & kylo has remained the worst saber hero in the game. There are reasons kylo isn't a prime pick for GA on any map on any phase not even his own st maps you're better saving points & getting vader or maul any other era hero.
  • Dash
    11530 posts Member
    edited January 11
    Dash wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind

    I kind of do mind though. I do not want this games balance mechanics balanced around those who simply haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing. That’s what happened at Launch with SCS, Palpatine, and Roll nerf. Now look at those two functions in game and Palpatine. One is borderline not used anymore, the other is spammed and glitch spammed at that to do so endlessly, and Palpatine is a different experience across all platforms. Yeah, great balancing suggested by the “Amazing and Experienced” players. :neutral:

    My point is, if people want balance, if they have a suggestion, they need to start posting videos of the issue, then in detail explaining why their suggestion would be an improvement, and also knowing their time played within this game/experience would help in dividends to those reading the suggestion/post itself, (Devs especially).

    Those of us here who have been here since the beginning/since last game as well, know that 9/10 nerf/buff posts are generally “Nerf it because it killed me” or “I have no idea how to do this right or overcome this so Buff this (insert thing needing buff)”.

    Truth.

    Well unfortunately this isn't a nerf it because it killed me post. This is I've been playing the game since launch & kylo has remained the worst saber hero in the game. There are reasons kylo isn't a prime pick for GA on any map on any phase not even his own st maps you're better saving points & getting vader or maul any other era hero.

    I never said this post was a post of that substance. But I did want to elaborate on this forum’s history with post of this nature. Food for thought. :wink:
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  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Obviously any saber hero is going to beat Phasma, Iden, Bossk or a Maul that stays and fights or is mind tricked. He may beat Kylo, but Kylo is terrible. Hence this thread you’re in. Obi ain’t good in HVV. IMO.

    Nah he's not good in HvV unless the whole team has blasters
  • bfloo
    14501 posts Member
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Obviously any saber hero is going to beat Phasma, Iden, Bossk or a Maul that stays and fights or is mind tricked. He may beat Kylo, but Kylo is terrible. Hence this thread you’re in. Obi ain’t good in HVV. IMO.

    Obi's abilities rarely work. He was almost great out of the box for me in HvV.

    Today they worked and I started to run wild towards the end.
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  • Dash wrote: »
    Dash wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind

    I kind of do mind though. I do not want this games balance mechanics balanced around those who simply haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing. That’s what happened at Launch with SCS, Palpatine, and Roll nerf. Now look at those two functions in game and Palpatine. One is borderline not used anymore, the other is spammed and glitch spammed at that to do so endlessly, and Palpatine is a different experience across all platforms. Yeah, great balancing suggested by the “Amazing and Experienced” players. :neutral:

    My point is, if people want balance, if they have a suggestion, they need to start posting videos of the issue, then in detail explaining why their suggestion would be an improvement, and also knowing their time played within this game/experience would help in dividends to those reading the suggestion/post itself, (Devs especially).

    Those of us here who have been here since the beginning/since last game as well, know that 9/10 nerf/buff posts are generally “Nerf it because it killed me” or “I have no idea how to do this right or overcome this so Buff this (insert thing needing buff)”.

    Truth.

    Well unfortunately this isn't a nerf it because it killed me post. This is I've been playing the game since launch & kylo has remained the worst saber hero in the game. There are reasons kylo isn't a prime pick for GA on any map on any phase not even his own st maps you're better saving points & getting vader or maul any other era hero.

    I never said this post was a post of that substance. But I did want to elaborate on this forum’s history with post of this nature. Food for thought. :wink:

    Awwwww
  • Dash
    11530 posts Member
    Dash wrote: »
    Dash wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind

    I kind of do mind though. I do not want this games balance mechanics balanced around those who simply haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing. That’s what happened at Launch with SCS, Palpatine, and Roll nerf. Now look at those two functions in game and Palpatine. One is borderline not used anymore, the other is spammed and glitch spammed at that to do so endlessly, and Palpatine is a different experience across all platforms. Yeah, great balancing suggested by the “Amazing and Experienced” players. :neutral:

    My point is, if people want balance, if they have a suggestion, they need to start posting videos of the issue, then in detail explaining why their suggestion would be an improvement, and also knowing their time played within this game/experience would help in dividends to those reading the suggestion/post itself, (Devs especially).

    Those of us here who have been here since the beginning/since last game as well, know that 9/10 nerf/buff posts are generally “Nerf it because it killed me” or “I have no idea how to do this right or overcome this so Buff this (insert thing needing buff)”.

    Truth.

    Well unfortunately this isn't a nerf it because it killed me post. This is I've been playing the game since launch & kylo has remained the worst saber hero in the game. There are reasons kylo isn't a prime pick for GA on any map on any phase not even his own st maps you're better saving points & getting vader or maul any other era hero.

    I never said this post was a post of that substance. But I did want to elaborate on this forum’s history with post of this nature. Food for thought. :wink:

    Awwwww

    #PeaceAndProsperity :blush:
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  • Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Grevious only wins cause he can spam

    And that's why he's better than Obi. Obi cannot counter Grievous at all.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah he actually is.
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Zyder wrote: »
    Lol, Kylo Ren is one of my favourite villains to use. The first character that needs buff is Kenobi. The Dark Side is better. And I think now we are counting with Bugged Dooku (it will have bugs like Grievous and Kenobi had) and I think Kenobi will be improved.

    Obi-wan is a wayyy better hero than kylo. The only buffs he need are his abilities to work & his dash to be a tad bit faster

    Obi Wan is a beast in HvV. He doesn't need many changes.

    No. No he’s not.

    Yeah, he's pretty bad tbh, only place he shines is a Rey mind trick combo, or pushing someone who's unaware. In a regular 1v1 situation, he loses to pretty much every saber, and Grievous just stomps on him.

    He loses against Palpatine, Boba, Vader, and Grievous. But every Jedi loses to them. He crushes Phasma and Iden if you time RMT right, he easily beats Bossk, Maul is a piece of cake, and Kylo is fairly easy too.

    Grevious only wins cause he can spam

    And that's why he's better than Obi. Obi cannot counter Grievous at all.

    For now.
  • Dash wrote: »
    Dash wrote: »
    Dash wrote: »
    bfloo wrote: »
    You admit some of us can do good with him, yet you still want a buff?

    We need to balance this game around the top tier players, not the bottom tier who can't figure it out.

    You know what, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE buff Luke, Maul, Obi Wan (just had a game where his abilities worked), ... you will just make it easier for us to hero hog and run wild.

    As someone who hero hogs & is a top tier player I don't mind

    I kind of do mind though. I do not want this games balance mechanics balanced around those who simply haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing. That’s what happened at Launch with SCS, Palpatine, and Roll nerf. Now look at those two functions in game and Palpatine. One is borderline not used anymore, the other is spammed and glitch spammed at that to do so endlessly, and Palpatine is a different experience across all platforms. Yeah, great balancing suggested by the “Amazing and Experienced” players. :neutral:

    My point is, if people want balance, if they have a suggestion, they need to start posting videos of the issue, then in detail explaining why their suggestion would be an improvement, and also knowing their time played within this game/experience would help in dividends to those reading the suggestion/post itself, (Devs especially).

    Those of us here who have been here since the beginning/since last game as well, know that 9/10 nerf/buff posts are generally “Nerf it because it killed me” or “I have no idea how to do this right or overcome this so Buff this (insert thing needing buff)”.

    Truth.

    Well unfortunately this isn't a nerf it because it killed me post. This is I've been playing the game since launch & kylo has remained the worst saber hero in the game. There are reasons kylo isn't a prime pick for GA on any map on any phase not even his own st maps you're better saving points & getting vader or maul any other era hero.

    I never said this post was a post of that substance. But I did want to elaborate on this forum’s history with post of this nature. Food for thought. :wink:

    Awwwww

    #PeaceAndProsperity :blush:

    Loveandpeace
  • One day, one day the First Order shall get a hero that isn't a meme (only faction in the game that doesn't have a serious hero).
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