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needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.
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  • unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    I'm just about right with you. Conquest better be awesome if this is the one map we get.
  • I get the frustrations re: droids winning, but I like the look and feel of the map.
  • It's not good but not as bad as Jakku, Theed, Kamino, or Kashyyyk and unlike those maps the problem with Geonosis is trying to find a good spot for ATTE health and not terrible map design.
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  • SVEJ
    1162 posts Member
    F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    the AT-TE's have TOO much health, it's like fighting an ATAT and 3 of them at once, the siege turret on the AAT doesnt do as much damage at some distance, let alone any damage, played a game just now and was only getting hit markers.
    the ion torpedoes or the ion turrets do LESS damage than a rocket from a Aerial Trooper, which doesnt make sense.

    The Hardcells need to have more health. Not sure if you dropped an update or not but on Base Xbox One the Hardcell has less health than the PC Version, I can't explain why but 1 shot from the ion canon and the team destroyed 85% of the HC health on xbox but on pc we can only do about 40% and thats with the team shooting at it. maybe triple the health of the hardcells or make it even more, i mean why does a walker have more health and take less damage than a Hardcell transport ship.

    You need to relook into the ATTE health vs ION torpedo weapon damage.
  • SVEJ wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    the AT-TE's have TOO much health, it's like fighting an ATAT and 3 of them at once, the siege turret on the AAT doesnt do as much damage at some distance, let alone any damage, played a game just now and was only getting hit markers.
    the ion torpedoes or the ion turrets do LESS damage than a rocket from a Aerial Trooper, which doesnt make sense.

    The Hardcells need to have more health. Not sure if you dropped an update or not but on Base Xbox One the Hardcell has less health than the PC Version, I can't explain why but 1 shot from the ion canon and the team destroyed 85% of the HC health on xbox but on pc we can only do about 40% and thats with the team shooting at it. maybe triple the health of the hardcells or make it even more, i mean why does a walker have more health and take less damage than a Hardcell transport ship.

    You need to relook into the ATTE health vs ION torpedo weapon damage.

    Yeah, I'm, a little concerned if he has to ask. My hopes for some balance tweaks in the upcoming patch are somewhat lowered.
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  • jonci
    984 posts Member
    I found it superb in the amount of detail, so much so i get distracted by the amount of things going on, I think the Devs did a great job in producing it, the sheer quality of it is breathtaking.
    I have never been able to get in a walker (is it time limited or do they stay in it for the duration)? But it hasn't stopped me trying.
    I have been on a droid winning side, though i noted as a specialist with the NT242 having Ion shot didn't seem to do much against them.
    If other maps can be done to this quality for other modes, i look forward to continuing to play the game.
    Whilst there are a lot of gripes i have about the game, and i will criticise where i feel it is warranted, to say this map is trash is a dis-service to the hard work put in by a small team.
    I see you said you will back out of it then that's your choice,I suggest if you at least have the courtesy to specify what you don't like rather than come out with that statement with no justification in your reasoning.
  • F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    just needed to vent though the reason its awful should be obvious: the AT-TEs have to much health you have to win P1 as the droids or its going to be stupidly hard to win from that point on and god forbid your team is awful like the one I just got done dealing with when I made this post that map is impossible to carry a bad team on right now if the clones get past P1 and your team is bad your chances of winning are 0%.
    Dont act a fool and you wont get called out. PSN: DarthOdium- old PSN:unit900000
  • @F8RGE

    I can say, and most people can agree, that once the clones have reached the second phase, it is an absolute win to them, despite of the number of reinforcements left: Hardcells are easy to take down, not like the AT-TEs.
  • Well it is a prequel map so... yeah.

    Haven't played it yet tho. Can't be sure. :D
  • Icedragon7897
    1963 posts Member
    edited January 17
    F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    Ion torpedos do nothing again, the clones win with ease as it drops the AT-TE right outside the capture point making it impossible to win, the droids are forced to shoot the AT-TE at range throughout the match and with the damage drop off makes it very tedious to shoot at them for 5 minutes and it still moves
  • Moojammin_10
    1812 posts Member
    edited January 17
    Have to say I've had a lot of recent success as clones on geonosis. In stage one GO LEFT. Capture vehicle first. Don't rush in either, you will be picked off and once droids have a hold it is really hard to move them. Take your time .. don't die too much, take vehicle first then do the call. After phase one make sure you PTO and it gets simpler after that.

    I've won as clones the last 3 times I've played it

    Good luck
  • Have to say I've had a lot of recent success as clones on geonosis. In stage one GO LEFT. Capture vehicle first. Don't rush in either, you will be picked off and once droids have a hold it is really hard to move them. Take your time .. don't die too much, take vehicle first then do the call. After phase one make sure you PTO and it gets simpler after that.

    I've won as clones the last 3 times I've played it

    Good luck

    I all ready know how to win as the clones the problem is winning as the droids.
    Dont act a fool and you wont get called out. PSN: DarthOdium- old PSN:unit900000
  • Have to say I've had a lot of recent success as clones on geonosis. In stage one GO LEFT. Capture vehicle first. Don't rush in either, you will be picked off and once droids have a hold it is really hard to move them. Take your time .. don't die too much, take vehicle first then do the call. After phase one make sure you PTO and it gets simpler after that.

    I've won as clones the last 3 times I've played it

    Good luck

    Winning as the clones is not the issue, winning as the droids past phase one is
  • CeymalRen wrote: »
    Well it is a prequel map so... yeah.

    Haven't played it yet tho. Can't be sure. :D

    You aren't missing much.
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  • FourStringBass4
    1328 posts Member
    edited January 17
    Threads calling maps trash or garbage don't help anything. It just makes you look immature. Explain how you think it should be changed.

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  • SVEJ wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    the AT-TE's have TOO much health, it's like fighting an ATAT and 3 of them at once, the siege turret on the AAT doesnt do as much damage at some distance, let alone any damage, played a game just now and was only getting hit markers.
    the ion torpedoes or the ion turrets do LESS damage than a rocket from a Aerial Trooper, which doesnt make sense.

    The Hardcells need to have more health. Not sure if you dropped an update or not but on Base Xbox One the Hardcell has less health than the PC Version, I can't explain why but 1 shot from the ion canon and the team destroyed 85% of the HC health on xbox but on pc we can only do about 40% and thats with the team shooting at it. maybe triple the health of the hardcells or make it even more, i mean why does a walker have more health and take less damage than a Hardcell transport ship.

    You need to relook into the ATTE health vs ION torpedo weapon damage.

    To add to itn the range to attack the hard cells is ridiculous with the health. You can shoot them from the hill, making it EXTREMELY easy to finish phase 2 fast.
  • I don't feel any of the maps are trash. I think it's more about the team your with at the time. Or the team your fighting.

    But what do I know I'm more of a offline conquest arcade skirmish person. I prefer bots on normal difficulty and low Health for the best gameplay out of any game.
  • Have you saw the droids defending otherwise than by standing at the and of the map (or as far as they can) sniping with specialist class or sniping with the droid tanks?

    Its very likely not.

    Because droids dont know how to defend on Geonosis, plain and simple.

    Droid defense must be ACTIVE defense, heavy class and snipers and TANKS must advance to encounter clones at the hill slope, more than waiting for them at the end of the map.

    But yeah, its the map.

    Because everyone knows that when the map is good you only need to grab the specialist and make some kills to win ;), no strategic moves, or active playing is needed, SURE.
  • Versatti wrote: »
    I get the frustrations re: droids winning, but I like the look and feel of the map.

    Same.
  • Frimmel
    613 posts Member
    edited January 17
    I think "trash" is both not useful and a bit of hyperbole. I'll try to be more helpful now that I've seen the map more.

    First off the map looks great. I like the storm. I think the story it tells or wants to tell is pretty good. As others have mentioned the "feel" or idea here is pretty good.

    I don't know what I'm supposed to do when playing as the droids after the first stage though. I can't fight both the enemy infantry and put fire on the Clone walkers. So you often just feel like target practice. This gets worse as the match goes on because then the heroes start showing up and more or less executing you as you try to put fire on the objective.

    When you roll up on the objectives in the AAT you essentially get killed before you can do any good for the team or even really any good for yourself. If you hang back you don't do any/enough damage or you do but then don't get any points when the Clone walker you've been pounding on goes down. You also just get whacked by the walkers when hanging back.

    That also applies to infantry. I put six ion torpedoes, two goes with the sentry mode, and had an ion turret going and the things blows up and I see no points. This isn't to say I haven't gotten points but it is the usual thing with vehicles with quite often feeling like you did a lot of work for no payoff.

    There aren't many good ways to try and get up in the grill of the clones. You get run down by a speeder, or some kind of Republic hero, or you get clipped by a sniper or you sacrifice any ability to hurt the objectives.

    I have had maybe one turn in the walkers. How do I get in them? And what has to happen to be able to attack in the ships in the second phase? That's something in the walkers isn't it? Not the ion rockets like on Hoth or Naboo?

    When you're the droids it just doesn't ever feel like there is a good decision to make.
  • F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    The threads that you choose to actually respond to :D
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  • F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    The threads that you choose to actually respond to :D

    This. I reported a bug with video & nothing
  • All it took was drastically nerfing the single most effective weapons against vehicles to imbalance the map in favor of the clones.
    And not buffing AT-TEs because they weren't buffed in the previous update, in fact they were actually nerfed.

    The indirect buff the AT-TEs have then (or you know the Ion nerf) pretty much negates the purpose of the Hardcell health buff, not to mention how they're likely to spawn closer & closer to the objectives after a few had been destroyed, which at this point kinda seems as an overkill and should not be a thing.
    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • Not trash, but I bit far from being one of the best GA maps.
    Kashyyyk, Hoth and Crait are still my favorite GA maps.
  • If the droids can't have star fighters, bombers or interceptors available like every other CW GA map, then if it is possible I'd look to make more AAT's available. Four would be a good amount.
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  • The whole game is trash, needed to be said.
  • Mouse92im
    177 posts Member
    edited January 18
    Something happened to the hit box and/or hit indicator after the last update. I used to main specialist with ion shot and would dedicate myself to shooting down the AT-TEs. When the map first came out a belly shot was as high as 325 pts if you hit it the right place and 40 anywhere else, now I’m lucky to see 25 or any indicator at all no matter where you hit. I would be able to knock down at least one before end of a single phase. Not anymore. It takes me all three phases to knock one down now on my own.

    Not worth my time since no one else on my team tries. I see more confusion and hero spam than anything else.
  • unit900000
    3023 posts Member
    edited January 18
    Mouse92im wrote: »

    Not worth my time since no one else on my team tries.

    starting to feel like this about GA in general its not worth playing GA unless you have at least 5 friends playing with you its sad this game has been out this long and its still full of so many terrible players I guess im going to have to just go full try hard every match and use strategy more and make sure my team is stacked with as many of my friends as possible.
    Dont act a fool and you wont get called out. PSN: DarthOdium- old PSN:unit900000
  • Mouse92im wrote: »
    Something happened to the hit box and/or hit indicator after the last update. I used to main specialist with ion shot and would dedicate myself to shooting down the AT-TEs. When the map first came out a belly shot was as high as 325 pts if you hit it the right place and 40 anywhere else, now I’m lucky to see 25 or any indicator at all no matter where you hit. I would be able to knock down at least one before end of a single phase. Not anymore. It takes me all three phases to knock one down now on my own.

    Not worth my time since no one else on my team tries. I see more confusion and hero spam than anything else.

    All ion weapons were nerfed into the ground. Ion torpedo now only does 24 damage against at-te. It's really stupid and also why I avoid playing this map. Not worth playing it anymore.
  • Have to say I've had a lot of recent success as clones on geonosis. In stage one GO LEFT. Capture vehicle first. Don't rush in either, you will be picked off and once droids have a hold it is really hard to move them. Take your time .. don't die too much, take vehicle first then do the call. After phase one make sure you PTO and it gets simpler after that.

    I've won as clones the last 3 times I've played it

    Good luck

    Winning as the clones is not the issue, winning as the droids past phase one is

    Aha sorry yes.. to win as droids you need to win phase one really after that it is very difficult because the targets are so hard to take down
  • F8RGE wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    PLEASE tell me you knew why it was trash and you were just trying to make a point. Biggest disconnect ever if you don't know why it's trash. It has the potential to be the best map, but it's ruined because the clones have to win in round 1 in order to win at all.

    5 tanks awarded for winning a phase is too many. Should be no more than 3. OR, the tanks should be easier to kill. OR, the tanks should be dropped further from the objective.

    Just play the map a few times as the droids after phase 1. You'll see.

    You want me to engage on these forums then complain when I do. I'm saying the same thing here that I say everywhere else, there's a way to give feedback and off the cuff comments such as "it's trash" doesn't help anyone.

    We have our own opinions on the map but is always good to know what others think. Always better for actual hard thoughts rather than us just guessing.

    I speak for everyone when I say this. If the droids do not win phase 1 they lose. The atte are so strong that the only way to win is for all 20 players to be heavies with ion turret & torpedo. Don't need to write a hard thought essay when I can get to the point in 3 simple sentences.

    You don’t speak for everyone and if you think ion turrets and torpedoes are the right tactic to win, you are mistaken.
  • Liz4rD wrote: »
    Have you saw the droids defending otherwise than by standing at the and of the map (or as far as they can) sniping with specialist class or sniping with the droid tanks?

    Its very likely not.

    Because droids dont know how to defend on Geonosis, plain and simple.

    Droid defense must be ACTIVE defense, heavy class and snipers and TANKS must advance to encounter clones at the hill slope, more than waiting for them at the end of the map.

    But yeah, its the map.

    Because everyone knows that when the map is good you only need to grab the specialist and make some kills to win ;), no strategic moves, or active playing is needed, SURE.

    I wish the other 19 or so players on my team would read this.
  • bfloo
    14789 posts Member
    I don't know where the glitch is, but the map tells me where to go defend, half my team is there with me, shooting at the nearest tank, ~ 50m away, and the game just ends, cloans win :/

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  • F8RGE wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    PLEASE tell me you knew why it was trash and you were just trying to make a point. Biggest disconnect ever if you don't know why it's trash. It has the potential to be the best map, but it's ruined because the clones have to win in round 1 in order to win at all.

    5 tanks awarded for winning a phase is too many. Should be no more than 3. OR, the tanks should be easier to kill. OR, the tanks should be dropped further from the objective.

    Just play the map a few times as the droids after phase 1. You'll see.

    You want me to engage on these forums then complain when I do. I'm saying the same thing here that I say everywhere else, there's a way to give feedback and off the cuff comments such as "it's trash" doesn't help anyone.

    We have our own opinions on the map but is always good to know what others think. Always better for actual hard thoughts rather than us just guessing.

    I speak for everyone when I say this. If the droids do not win phase 1 they lose. The atte are so strong that the only way to win is for all 20 players to be heavies with ion turret & torpedo. Don't need to write a hard thought essay when I can get to the point in 3 simple sentences.

    You don’t speak for everyone and if you think ion turrets and torpedoes are the right tactic to win, you are mistaken.

    Other than ion grenade, ion/disruptor mods and what he said... What else is there that's supposed to be effective against vehicles?
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  • OG-9 and spider droids playables!!!
    Droidekas and Geonosian playable to.
    One LAAT for Republic.

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  • JediPacoElFlaco
    993 posts Member
    edited January 18
    - OG-9 and spider droids playables!!!
    - Droidekas and Geonosian playable too.
    - One LAAT for Republic.

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  • TheScape wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    needed to be said ill make sure to back out anytime this garbage map appears.

    Why is it trash?

    Part of giving feedback is knowing how to give good feedback. Saying "Geonosis is trash" doesn't really offer much of an insight.

    PLEASE tell me you knew why it was trash and you were just trying to make a point. Biggest disconnect ever if you don't know why it's trash. It has the potential to be the best map, but it's ruined because the clones have to win in round 1 in order to win at all.

    5 tanks awarded for winning a phase is too many. Should be no more than 3. OR, the tanks should be easier to kill. OR, the tanks should be dropped further from the objective.

    Just play the map a few times as the droids after phase 1. You'll see.

    You want me to engage on these forums then complain when I do. I'm saying the same thing here that I say everywhere else, there's a way to give feedback and off the cuff comments such as "it's trash" doesn't help anyone.

    We have our own opinions on the map but is always good to know what others think. Always better for actual hard thoughts rather than us just guessing.

    I speak for everyone when I say this. If the droids do not win phase 1 they lose. The atte are so strong that the only way to win is for all 20 players to be heavies with ion turret & torpedo. Don't need to write a hard thought essay when I can get to the point in 3 simple sentences.

    You don’t speak for everyone and if you think ion turrets and torpedoes are the right tactic to win, you are mistaken.

    Other than ion grenade, ion/disruptor mods and what he said... What else is there that's supposed to be effective against vehicles?

    Even with ion mods/weapons the droids must get in close and attack the undercarriage. Shooting at distance will lose the match. The fight needs to be around the AT-TE’s themselves. Get beside/behind them to take them out. Unlike all other GA maps where the defenders simply have to camp objectives and choke points, on Geonosis the defenders must attack. Think Kamino phase 1, where the clones take the room to keep the droids out. On Geonosis, the droids must try to do the same regarding the AT-TE’s. Get in close, hold back the clones, and fire at the underbelly. Long ranged shots against the upper shell, whether by ion weapons, AAT’s, or whatever, won’t be enough.

    Geonosis is interesting because both factions have objectives to attack. The defenders can’t simply wait for the attackers to come to them... that’s a loss. This fundamental difference is why folks are struggling.
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