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Please remove this hero cross-era feature from GA!

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  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Alex64 wrote: »
    Alex64 wrote: »
    "Authentic Gaming experience" arguments over cross era thing aren't valid

    Just....go back to whatever life you had going on dude.. you come across as an upset 11 year old by petty patronizing and ridiculing things you dont understand.

    The "authentic gaming experience" argument is ludicrous.

    Could you explain to me, why cross era is a concern to you?

    Allow me to explain...

    My subjective arbitrary assessment of what is OK or not is right... and your arbitrary assessment of what is OK or not is RONG!

    The other way around however...

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  • CeymalRen wrote: »
    Cross era heroes is an abomination. The balance argument is a joke. Just buff Kylo and Phasma. Problem solved.

    That does not account for the unique gameplay attributes present in each hero/villain. The devs have stated they want players to be able to have access to their preferred unique skillset as much as possible and the "compromise" was that on out of era the BP cost would be increased. Buffing Kylo and Phasma does nothing to negate the fact that you would be forced to play with their limited skillsets whether you liked it or not... which is something the devs have stated is the opposite of their design goals for the game.
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Alex64 wrote: »
    Alex64 wrote: »
    "Authentic Gaming experience" arguments over cross era thing aren't valid

    Just....go back to whatever life you had going on dude.. you come across as an upset 11 year old by petty patronizing and ridiculing things you dont understand.

    The "authentic gaming experience" argument is ludicrous.

    Could you explain to me, why cross era is a concern to you?

    Allow me to explain...

    My subjective arbitrary assessment of what is OK or not is right... and your arbitrary assessment of what is OK or not is RONG!

    Dude, most of us regulars on the pro-era-accuracy side constantly recognizes your subjective arbitrary assessment by saying that we would like to see this co-exist with the cross-era feature and be another option to choose from, rather than sonething to replace it with.

    The other way around however...

    The "pro-era-accuracy side" as you put it consistently puts forth ideas which run contrary to the stated design impetus of the game which was articulated by Dennis as...
    ...for characters that you unlock such as, like, all the heroes for example, they are yours when you get them, and you can deploy them anywhere. That's sort of our mantra around how do we make this work?... how do we make sure that if you like playing Darth Maul, whose sort of a unique gameplay experience compared to playing Darth Vader for example... How can we make sure you can play as much Darth Maul as you'd like? And that was sort of our solution, and the same goes for weapons that you can unlock for your class. Some of those weapons are technically from a different era...

    I have no problem with a secondary playlist or gamemode or whatever which enforces "era accuracy"; however, I do have a problem with the devs spending the little resources they appear to have on implementing a secondary gamemode in a game whose design ran expressly counter to the ruleset being asked for in that gamemode. The quote above was from weeks prior to the game even being released, so it is not as if the current implementation or reasoning behind it was some giant secret... this was well known, and if you still purchased the game with this information already out in the wild, I don't see what the complaint really is about. I wouldn't buy KOTOR for example and then get mad when there was no multiplayer... I knew there was no multiplayer going in, so I don't waste a year of time on the forums clamoring for the devs to implement something which runs counter to the original design impetus of the game... which is precisely what the "pro-era-accuracy" side has done with this game.
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.


    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Alex64 wrote: »
    Alex64 wrote: »
    "Authentic Gaming experience" arguments over cross era thing aren't valid

    Just....go back to whatever life you had going on dude.. you come across as an upset 11 year old by petty patronizing and ridiculing things you dont understand.

    The "authentic gaming experience" argument is ludicrous.

    Could you explain to me, why cross era is a concern to you?

    Allow me to explain...

    My subjective arbitrary assessment of what is OK or not is right... and your arbitrary assessment of what is OK or not is RONG!

    Gee that doesn't make Maul on Starkiller base any more "RITE" because you have loud opinions and ridicule others for knowing differently than you. Your whole tone is RONG.

    Hahahaha... "knowing"... sure. Maul on Starkiller is "RITE" because that fits perfectly in line with the reasoning articulated by the devs in the above cited video regarding their decision making for cross era hero presence. I cannot wait to kill young Anakin with Vader on Starkiller base going forward!

    Yippee.
  • Alex64 wrote: »
    Your inmersion is subjective and you can't state a valid argument with it,

    I don't really care about immersion I just dislike heroes in this because they make the game a boring mess. The game fails at being a competent shooter as well as a hero based game.

    Renegade and its fan made remake Renegade X handle hero units much better.
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  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...

    Yes... which is why you get a BP cost reduction if you choose to stay "true to lore"... or you can choose not to stay true to lore and you can pay more BP. It would appear the design team recognized clearly from prior to launch that Gameplay > lore/immersion... and the BP penalty was their "solution" for heroes (albeit a poor one as it does not accomplish anything), while there was no solution to weapons as you were just allowed to have them regardless of lore once they were unlocked.
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...

    Yes... which is why you get a BP cost reduction if you choose to stay "true to lore"... or you can choose not to stay true to lore and you can pay more BP. It would appear the design team recognized clearly from prior to launch that Gameplay > lore/immersion... and the BP penalty was their "solution" for heroes (albeit a poor one as it does not accomplish anything), while there was no solution to weapons as you were just allowed to have them regardless of lore once they were unlocked.

    Just letting you all know where I got the term from, man.
  • Relmets
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    Perfect solution for more era-accuracy with the new mode: NO HEROES
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  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...

    Yes... which is why you get a BP cost reduction if you choose to stay "true to lore"... or you can choose not to stay true to lore and you can pay more BP. It would appear the design team recognized clearly from prior to launch that Gameplay > lore/immersion... and the BP penalty was their "solution" for heroes (albeit a poor one as it does not accomplish anything), while there was no solution to weapons as you were just allowed to have them regardless of lore once they were unlocked.

    Just letting you all know where I got the term from, man.

    Again, I have no underlying "hatred" of era accuracy (if you can maintain era accuracy and gameplay at the same time, go for it)... I just don't think the devs should waste their time implementing it at this point in this particular game. The solution is private servers/SDK so players can do the work themselves... and EA will never do that anymore because that endangers future products if EA does not have the power to shut down their previous products and force the audience to upgrade.
  • Relmets wrote: »
    Perfect solution for more era-accuracy with the new mode: NO HEROES
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    Nope... there would still be cross era weapons to account for. Everyone must be locked to default weapons.
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...

    Yes... which is why you get a BP cost reduction if you choose to stay "true to lore"... or you can choose not to stay true to lore and you can pay more BP. It would appear the design team recognized clearly from prior to launch that Gameplay > lore/immersion... and the BP penalty was their "solution" for heroes (albeit a poor one as it does not accomplish anything), while there was no solution to weapons as you were just allowed to have them regardless of lore once they were unlocked.

    Just letting you all know where I got the term from, man.

    Again, I have no underlying "hatred" of era accuracy (if you can maintain era accuracy and gameplay at the same time, go for it)... I just don't think the devs should waste their time implementing it at this point in this particular game. The solution is private servers/SDK so players can do the work themselves... and EA will never do that anymore because that endangers future products if EA does not have the power to shut down their previous products and force the audience to upgrade.

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  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Vehicles are era accurate. Why do we treat heroes differently?

    I'm so happy you asked, Dennis answered this in November of 2017.



    Oh! I’m glad you brought that video up again! Before I expand any further on it - 16:44:

    ”We’re all Star Wars fans at heart, we all want this authentic experience...”

    Just for future reference...

    Yes... which is why you get a BP cost reduction if you choose to stay "true to lore"... or you can choose not to stay true to lore and you can pay more BP. It would appear the design team recognized clearly from prior to launch that Gameplay > lore/immersion... and the BP penalty was their "solution" for heroes (albeit a poor one as it does not accomplish anything), while there was no solution to weapons as you were just allowed to have them regardless of lore once they were unlocked.

    Just letting you all know where I got the term from, man.

    Again, I have no underlying "hatred" of era accuracy (if you can maintain era accuracy and gameplay at the same time, go for it)... I just don't think the devs should waste their time implementing it at this point in this particular game. The solution is private servers/SDK so players can do the work themselves... and EA will never do that anymore because that endangers future products if EA does not have the power to shut down their previous products and force the audience to upgrade.

    This, while I’m obviously not in agreement, is an argument that I find totally legit and one I respect, for what it’s worth.
  • Relmets
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    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Relmets wrote: »
    Perfect solution for more era-accuracy with the new mode: NO HEROES
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    Nope... there would still be cross era weapons to account for. Everyone must be locked to default weapons.
    Well first of all I am actually an advocate for weapon accuracy, and there is (was) a way to do it while still including variety
    I did say "more" and not "total" accuracy as well, besides I think a lot of people would consider weapons to be less out of place than heroes.
    ALSO it's not just about the immersion factor, it would be refreshing to include a large scale ground mode with no heroes. Let's do it DICE, no heroes for the new mode
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  • Troopper_FoFo
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    edited January 20
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Relmets wrote: »
    Perfect solution for more era-accuracy with the new mode: NO HEROES
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    Nope... there would still be cross era weapons to account for. Everyone must be locked to default weapons.

    But weapons aren't cross era because star wars doesn't give dates for weapons when were created.

    So a weapon could have existed for 20, 30, 40 years before someone used it. No weapon has a date of manufacture in star wars.

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  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Relmets wrote: »
    Perfect solution for more era-accuracy with the new mode: NO HEROES
    xBRbyhi.gif

    Nope... there would still be cross era weapons to account for. Everyone must be locked to default weapons.

    But weapons aren't cross era because star wars doesn't give dates for weapons when were created.

    So a weapon could have existed for 20, 30, 40 years before someone used it. No weapon has a date of manufacture in star wars.

    Idk... Dennis mentioned weapons specifically as being in violation of canon timelines... and the example he used if I remember was weapons created in Force Awakens which are suddenly now also available in the OT and the PT.
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Relmets wrote: »
    Perfect solution for more era-accuracy with the new mode: NO HEROES
    xBRbyhi.gif

    Nope... there would still be cross era weapons to account for. Everyone must be locked to default weapons.

    But weapons aren't cross era because star wars doesn't give dates for weapons when were created.

    So a weapon could have existed for 20, 30, 40 years before someone used it. No weapon has a date of manufacture in star wars.

    Idk... Dennis mentioned weapons specifically as being in violation of canon timelines... and the example he used if I remember was weapons created in Force Awakens which are suddenly now also available in the OT and the PT.

    Well yes there would be exceptions to what I said. Like for first order weapons. Since they are manufactured by a company in lore that didn't exist until after the empire fell.

    But most weapons don't even have the company that made them. Example the Tl-50. All we know is that the empire used it.

    Compare that to something like the M1 garand irl. We know who designed it, how long it took him to design it, when it first went to trials, who manufactured it, how many were made, how long it stayed in service, how many were sent to other countries as surplus.
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  • Admiral_Xen
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    edited January 20
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    Relmets wrote: »
    Perfect solution for more era-accuracy with the new mode: NO HEROES
    xBRbyhi.gif

    Nope... there would still be cross era weapons to account for. Everyone must be locked to default weapons.

    But weapons aren't cross era because star wars doesn't give dates for weapons when were created.

    So a weapon could have existed for 20, 30, 40 years before someone used it. No weapon has a date of manufacture in star wars.

    This is super sketchy logic, even worse than the Baloney time machine from Rebels to explain cross era heroes/weapons

    Like the F-11 is literally just an E-11 with some plastic crap on it. It's obviously supposed to be a later version (right down to the lettering convention) like say the ARC170 vs the T-65 vs the T-70 X-Wing or the Imperial AT-ST/TIEs vs the FO ones, so why wasn't the Republic/Empire using the later versions if they existed at the time?
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  • Troopper_FoFo
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    edited January 20

    Like the F-11 is literally just an E-11 with some plastic crap on it. It's obviously supposed to be a later version (right down to the lettering convention) like say the ARC170 vs the T-65 vs the T-70 X-Wing or the Imperial AT-ST/TIEs vs the FO ones, so why wasn't the Republic/Empire using the later versions if they existed at the time?

    M1 garands were still used in Vietnam after the M14 and M16 were adopted.


    M60 Patton's were used in desert storm after the m1 Abrams had been adopted.

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  • Admiral_Xen
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    edited January 20

    Like the F-11 is literally just an E-11 with some plastic crap on it. It's obviously supposed to be a later version (right down to the lettering convention) like say the ARC170 vs the T-65 vs the T-70 X-Wing or the Imperial AT-ST/TIEs vs the FO ones, so why wasn't the Republic/Empire using the later versions if they existed at the time?

    M1 garands were still used in Vietnam after the M14 and M16 were adopted.


    M60 Patton's were used in desert storm after the m1 Abrams had been adopted.

    But M16's, Abrams and AK-15s weren't used in World War 2. I can put an SE-44c or A280C on my droid or clone.

    Rebels using whatever crappy old blasters they could scrounge makes some sense, but (in every other lore source) uniformly equipped battle droids/Clones using shiny new FO weapons that haven't been invented yet is literally impossible, and even uniform Imperial/FO troops running around with a ragtag selection fo clone wars era equipment from decades ago makes next to no sense.

    I'm absolutely fine with it for gameplay purposes same as heroes, but lets not pretend it's any less authentic.
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  • Troopper_FoFo
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    edited January 20

    But M16's, Abrams and AK-15s weren't used in World War 2. I can put an SE-44c or A280C on my droid or clone.

    Rebels using whatever crappy old blasters they could scrounge makes some sense, but (in every other lore source) uniformly equipped battle droids/Clones using shiny new FO weapons that haven't been invented yet is literally impossible, and even uniform Imperial/FO troops running around with a ragtag selection fo clone wars era equipment from decades ago makes next to no sense.

    I'm absolutely fine with it for gameplay purposes same as heroes, but lets not pretend it's any less authentic.

    Well yes as I replied to another person there are exceptions with first order weapons. Because we know when they were made. We don't know the exact date just that the company that made them didn't exist until after the empire fell.

    But for everything that isn't first order related there is nothing saying that the A280 didn't exist at the time of the clone wars. All we know is that it was made by Blastech who tends to make most of the weapon in the star wars universe.

    First order still had stockpiles of empire stuff and empire still used clone wars equipment.
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  • But M16's, Abrams and AK-15s weren't used in World War 2. I can put an SE-44c or A280C on my droid or clone.

    Rebels using whatever crappy old blasters they could scrounge makes some sense, but (in every other lore source) uniformly equipped battle droids/Clones using shiny new FO weapons that haven't been invented yet is literally impossible, and even uniform Imperial/FO troops running around with a ragtag selection fo clone wars era equipment from decades ago makes next to no sense.

    I'm absolutely fine with it for gameplay purposes same as heroes, but lets not pretend it's any less authentic.

    Well yes as I replied to another person there are exceptions with first order weapons. Because we know when they were made. We don't know the exact date just that the company that made them didn't exist until after the empire fell.

    But for everything that isn't first order related there is nothing saying that the A280 didn't exist at the time of the clone wars. All we know is that it was made by Blastech who tends to make most of the weapon in the star wars universe.

    First order still had stockpiles of empire stuff and empire still used clone wars equipment.

    I'll believe it's cogent when I see a depiction of the weapons in that era. CW season 7 has a bounty hunter with an A280CFE, E-11 or something, then fine, but until then I'm leaning more towards the gameplay/fantasy than authentic side.

    Probably, but I can't think of a single canon example of FO Stormtroopers running around with an old CR2-, DC-15, or TL-50, yet it's the most common thing I see in this game for those troopers because of the options given to the classes, and it would absolutely break my "immersion" if I weren't already in a mindstate of suspending disbelief at many other things in the game (why is that battle droid emoting a Han Solo quote at me?)

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  • A server browser, as I suggested at the end of my post, would really help us settle this dispute. You can't change people's minds when It comes to subjective preferences, and there is a way both parties can easily agree.

    let's say the game was reformed to be era lock only on GA. I still can't see enough balancing issues that would really be a hindering factor to era lock other than the 2 ST DS characters needing a buff in order to give players more competition against the opposing superior heroes as they say. I find these arguments I've read about "Wanting to able to play as whoever I want" to be ridiculous. If era lock was implemented, You would still be able to play as whoever you want from the era they existed, but to ensure that you use your favorite heroes as much as you would like, a server browser or a era selector would be a much more balancing and reliable solution instead of vandalizing a game with a whimsical, experience breaking feature that divides half the fanbase and makes the game even unplayable to some.

    I don't care what "Dennis said". This is a stupid feature, and I will never brush this off. The right way to put this issue away is to implement the feature I suggested, which would give both sides a mutual agreement.



  • David1543 wrote: »
    A server browser, as I suggested at the end of my post, would really help us settle this dispute. You can't change people's minds when It comes to subjective preferences, and there is a way both parties can easily agree.

    let's say the game was reformed to be era lock only on GA. I still can't see enough balancing issues that would really be a hindering factor to era lock other than the 2 ST DS characters needing a buff in order to give players more competition against the opposing superior heroes as they say. I find these arguments I've read about "Wanting to able to play as whoever I want" to be ridiculous. If era lock was implemented, You would still be able to play as whoever you want from the era they existed, but to ensure that you use your favorite heroes as much as you would like, a server browser or a era selector would be a much more balancing and reliable solution instead of vandalizing a game with a whimsical, experience breaking feature that divides half the fanbase and makes the game even unplayable to some.

    I don't care what "Dennis said". This is a stupid feature, and I will never brush this off. The right way to put this issue away is to implement the feature I suggested, which would give both sides a mutual agreement.



    I mean... he is in charge of the game lol... it is pretty much his game to do with what he wishes... and his wishes have been articulated. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your prerogative.




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    I mean... he is in charge of the game lol... it is pretty much his game to do with what he wishes... and his wishes have been articulated. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your prerogative.[/quote]

    Yes he is in charge, and he wants this game to succeed I believe? So I hope he acknowledges the multitude of requests in the forums begging for a permanent mode where we can have an authentic era accurate experience. I'm sure he is not hesitant to let go of his ego and selfish vision to please his playerbase. I mean Its not like they grow money out of trees.
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    I mean... he is in charge of the game lol... it is pretty much his game to do with what he wishes... and his wishes have been articulated. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your prerogative.[/quote]

    Yes he is in charge, and he wants this game to succeed I believe? So I hope he acknowledges the multitude of requests in the forums begging for a permanent mode where we can have an authentic era accurate experience. I'm sure he is not hesitant to let go of his ego and selfish vision to please his playerbase. I mean Its not like they grow money out of trees. [/quote]

    You've already paid for the game, the only way to make more money would be to make more skins...... And they already are doing such a good job of that lol. They have no real reason to make it except to please a few on the forums, who represent at most 2% of the playerbase.
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  • t3hBar0n
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    edited January 21
    David1543 wrote: »

    Yes he is in charge, and he wants this game to succeed I believe? So I hope he acknowledges the multitude of requests in the forums begging for a permanent mode where we can have an authentic era accurate experience. I'm sure he is not hesitant to let go of his ego and selfish vision to please his playerbase. I mean Its not like they grow money out of trees.

    We have no clue what the breakdown is of people who want/don't want more limited options.

    As far as the business side of it, EA has limited options for extended revenue from this title since the removal of loot boxes... one of the only possible sources of continued revenue is selling skins for their roster of heroes/villains... reducing the availability of heroes people have paid to unlock/buy skins for directly reduces the revenue potential of each hero skin they release as people are likely to spend less on a product they are more restricted in using.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »



    I mean... he is in charge of the game lol... it is pretty much his game to do with what he wishes... and his wishes have been articulated. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your prerogative.

    Yes he is in charge, and he wants this game to succeed I believe? So I hope he acknowledges the multitude of requests in the forums begging for a permanent mode where we can have an authentic era accurate experience. I'm sure he is not hesitant to let go of his ego and selfish vision to please his playerbase. I mean Its not like they grow money out of trees. [/quote]

    You've already paid for the game, the only way to make more money would be to make more skins...... And they already are doing such a good job of that lol. They have no real reason to make it except to please a few on the forums, who represent at most 2% of the playerbase. [/quote]

    Yes I have paid full price for a game with the belief that I would get consistent communication from the devs and updates based on community feedback from players like they promised. When consumers feel cheated, specially when Its more than once in the case of this company, It could lead to further boycott against them, which is something already occuring due to past similar titles. If I paid $60 for a game advertised for Its "live service", I expect them to keep some of their promises and deliver what players want as an ethical, concerning company.

    The accumulation of broken promises is so great with EA and Dice that they are starting to feel where It hurts with the increasing numbers of consumers refusing to buy any of their products, soon they will either have to change their practices or simply seize from existing.

    How exactly do you know the demographics of people who are opposed to cross era? How can you tell If of all the people who are opposed to cross era or any other thing, only the ones who are forum posters make up this percentage?

    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »

    Yes he is in charge, and he wants this game to succeed I believe? So I hope he acknowledges the multitude of requests in the forums begging for a permanent mode where we can have an authentic era accurate experience. I'm sure he is not hesitant to let go of his ego and selfish vision to please his playerbase. I mean Its not like they grow money out of trees.

    We have no clue what the breakdown is of people who want/don't want more limited options.

    As far as the business side of it, EA has limited options for extended revenue from this title since the removal of loot boxes... one of the only possible sources of continued revenue is selling skins for their roster of heroes/villains... reducing the availability of heroes people have paid to unlock/buy skins for directly reduces the revenue potential of each hero skin they release as people are likely to spend less on a product they are more restricted in using.

    Noone is "limiting" anything, that sounds just like a buzzword used to discredit era lock and not a real logical argument. People can play as any hero any time in their respective eras as long as server browser in implemented.

    Why is that this same rule is not applied to the originals? heroes were all locked to their respective eras except for one mode yet It is a greater game than anything Dice has ever produced when It comes to Star Wars. I didnt feel "limited" and noone ever asked for era mix. But If It did have this feature, It probably would not be the great game we all know today.
  • David1543 wrote: »
    I know this was discussed a lot, but this is an issue that always bothered me from day 1, this is such a well made and beautiful game and we all want to see It's progress.

    However, the barrier that always stood in Its way, in my opinion, is the ridiculous idea of era mixing. This is such a big concern to me and many people that we take It equally as important as the gameplay quality and content of the game.

    This game was advertised to be as an immersive Star Wars experiece across all eras, yet when you don't restrict the usage of heroes to the timeline they belong, many people who are familiar with past Star Wars titles are left with a bad taste in their mouths. Not only the immersion we are used to have in Star Wars games is shattered when we see Han Solo leading clones on Geonosis, but at the same time you make the whole concept of different eras pointless.

    I thought having different eras was so that we get to experience the uniqueness of each factions, heroes, vehicles, and planets from the timeline they existed. By mish mashing everything together the lore is shattered, thus ruining the fun to many fans who want an authentic experience when It comes to the battlefront franchise.

    I know that era lock is being added as a timed event, but this makes me more upset than content. A game entitled "Star Wars" should not feel like Star Wars for only a weekend. I hope we get this as a permanent change in the future for the major modes like GA and the upcoming large scale mode.

    I have absolutely no problem with cross heroes as long as they are restricted to certain modes like HvsV and things of this sort. A server browser would really make a difference Dice.

    The game is waay more fun when we have the choice to use any hero on any map. This seems like the best way I could imagine to reduce the amount of time anyone who enjoys heroes plays this game.
  • t3hBar0n
    5001 posts Member
    edited January 21
    David1543 wrote: »

    Noone is "limiting" anything, that sounds just like a buzzword used to discredit era lock and not a real logical argument. People can play as any hero any time in their respective eras as long as server browser in implemented.

    Why is that this same rule is not applied to the originals? heroes were all locked to their respective eras except for one mode yet It is a greater game than anything Dice has ever produced when It comes to Star Wars. I didnt feel "limited" and noone ever asked for era mix. But If It did have this feature, It probably would not be the great game we all know today.

    Reducing the opportunity to play as a particular hero/villain is the very definition of "limiting" lol. I have not bothered purchasing trooper skins, largely because I don't see the point in buying a skin I can use on say 15% of the games I play IF I choose to play that particular class.. the return on investment is too poor.

    As far as the originals... they were developed by a different studio, and a decade before MTX became common place. Modern studios are all attempting to maximize ROI by ensuring a MTX model is present in their game as that can push margins above 90% per unit sold which is just absurd. The more avenues available to monetize the better, and the more usage players can get out of the MTX items, the more likely they are to purchase them.

    As far as the originals being great, I dsagree... they were OK compared to other shooters available at the time... the only reason I purchased them was the same as this... it was a Star Wars game.
  • GenxDarchi
    7726 posts Member
    edited January 21
    David1543 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »



    I mean... he is in charge of the game lol... it is pretty much his game to do with what he wishes... and his wishes have been articulated. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your prerogative.

    Yes he is in charge, and he wants this game to succeed I believe? So I hope he acknowledges the multitude of requests in the forums begging for a permanent mode where we can have an authentic era accurate experience. I'm sure he is not hesitant to let go of his ego and selfish vision to please his playerbase. I mean Its not like they grow money out of trees.

    You've already paid for the game, the only way to make more money would be to make more skins...... And they already are doing such a good job of that lol. They have no real reason to make it except to please a few on the forums, who represent at most 2% of the playerbase. [/quote]

    Yes I have paid full price for a game with the belief that I would get consistent communication from the devs and updates based on community feedback from players like they promised. When consumers feel cheated, specially when Its more than once in the case of this company, It could lead to further boycott against them, which is something already occuring due to past similar titles. If I paid $60 for a game advertised for Its "live service", I expect them to keep some of their promises and deliver what players want as an ethical, concerning company.

    The accumulation of broken promises is so great with EA and Dice that they are starting to feel where It hurts with the increasing numbers of consumers refusing to buy any of their products, soon they will either have to change their practices or simply seize from existing.

    How exactly do you know the demographics of people who are opposed to cross era? How can you tell If of all the people who are opposed to cross era or any other thing, only the ones who are forum posters make up this percentage?

    [/quote]
    EA SERVICES ARE LICENSED AND PROVIDED "AS IS." YOU USE THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK. TO THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED UNDER APPLICABLE LAW, EA GIVES NO EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY WARRANTIES, INCLUDING IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, SATISFACTORY QUALITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NONINFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, AND WARRANTIES ARISING FROM A COURSE OF DEALING, USAGE OR PRACTICE. EA DOES NOT WARRANT AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE PRODUCT OR EA SERVICE; THAT THE EA SERVICE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS;.

    You agreed to this, that you would have the the game "as is." The fact that you expected anything else is your fault. Once you agreed, they did not guarantee your enjoyment or your requirements. Again, you bought the game, they don't owe you anything.
    How exactly do you know the demographics of people who are opposed to cross era? How can you tell If of all the people who are opposed to cross era or any other thing, only the ones who are forum posters make up this percentage?
    Hold on, I said:
    They have no real reason to make it except to please a few on the forums, who represent at most 2% of the playerbase.
    As far as I can tell, only people on these forums care about this issue. On the reddit forums, they seem to have no real preference, as I attend there regularly and no one seems to care, even when I put up a thread about it, as they understand that every hero would have to be made with a semblance of balance..... otherwise teams would be unbalanced, leading to unfair advantages. Gameplay beats authentic experiences. And just based off the fact that 29 people are currently on vs the millions who bought the game, I can say pretty safely that this is a minority of the playerbase. If it's in DICE/EA's best interest they would simply make more heroes and skins, as that will make them ACTUAL money.
    You guys are gonna make me rich......
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »



    I mean... he is in charge of the game lol... it is pretty much his game to do with what he wishes... and his wishes have been articulated. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your prerogative.

    Yes he is in charge, and he wants this game to succeed I believe? So I hope he acknowledges the multitude of requests in the forums begging for a permanent mode where we can have an authentic era accurate experience. I'm sure he is not hesitant to let go of his ego and selfish vision to please his playerbase. I mean Its not like they grow money out of trees.

    You've already paid for the game, the only way to make more money would be to make more skins...... And they already are doing such a good job of that lol. They have no real reason to make it except to please a few on the forums, who represent at most 2% of the playerbase.

    Yes I have paid full price for a game with the belief that I would get consistent communication from the devs and updates based on community feedback from players like they promised. When consumers feel cheated, specially when Its more than once in the case of this company, It could lead to further boycott against them, which is something already occuring due to past similar titles. If I paid $60 for a game advertised for Its "live service", I expect them to keep some of their promises and deliver what players want as an ethical, concerning company.

    The accumulation of broken promises is so great with EA and Dice that they are starting to feel where It hurts with the increasing numbers of consumers refusing to buy any of their products, soon they will either have to change their practices or simply seize from existing.

    How exactly do you know the demographics of people who are opposed to cross era? How can you tell If of all the people who are opposed to cross era or any other thing, only the ones who are forum posters make up this percentage?

    [/quote]
    EA SERVICES ARE LICENSED AND PROVIDED "AS IS." YOU USE THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK. TO THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED UNDER APPLICABLE LAW, EA GIVES NO EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY WARRANTIES, INCLUDING IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, SATISFACTORY QUALITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NONINFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, AND WARRANTIES ARISING FROM A COURSE OF DEALING, USAGE OR PRACTICE. EA DOES NOT WARRANT AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE PRODUCT OR EA SERVICE; THAT THE EA SERVICE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS;.

    You agreed to this, that you would have the the game "as is." The fact that you expected anything else is your fault. Once you agreed, they did not guarantee your enjoyment or your requirements. Again, you bought the game, they don't owe you anything.
    How exactly do you know the demographics of people who are opposed to cross era? How can you tell If of all the people who are opposed to cross era or any other thing, only the ones who are forum posters make up this percentage?
    Hold on, I said:
    They have no real reason to make it except to please a few on the forums, who represent at most 2% of the playerbase.
    As far as I can tell, only people on these forums care about this issue. On the reddit forums, they seem to have no real preference, as I attend there regularly and no one seems to care, even when I put up a thread about it, as they understand that every hero would have to be made with a semblance of balance..... otherwise teams would be unbalanced, leading to unfair advantages. Gameplay beats authentic experiences. And just based off the fact that 29 people are currently on vs the millions who bought the game, I can say pretty safely that this is a minority of the playerbase. If it's in DICE/EA's best interest they would simply make more heroes and skins, as that will make them ACTUAL money.[/quote]

    So you proved that EA is a greedy, careless company that can get away with being fined for practicing the lowest forms of misleading advertisement campaings in order to sell their product by means of their cynical TOS disclaimer. cool.

    But my point is, weather they think they can get away with It or not , they will still suffer from profit loss as such actions always results in more and more people boycotting the company. And It is not my fault I was lied to buy a product falsely advertised to offer me the things I just mentioned, It is by US law an illegal act, you corporate stooge.

    As for the reddit thing, It doesnt matter. My question is how do you know that the the majority of the playerbase share their concerns publicly on social media? I only started sharing my voice recently this month after years of playing this game.

    I wont repeat how much baseless this "balance" argument is. If you have any common sense, read my other posts where I explain why immersion has no effect on gameplay experience. Right now It seems you are just in denial, turn that defensive mechanism off and stop shielding yourself from opposing views that might obstruct your way of thinking.

  • Appl3corps
    448 posts Member
    edited January 21

    [/quote]

    Noone is "limiting" anything, that sounds just like a buzzword used to discredit era lock and not a real logical argument. People can play as any hero any time in their respective eras as long as server browser in implemented.

    Why is that this same rule is not applied to the originals? heroes were all locked to their respective eras except for one mode yet It is a greater game than anything Dice has ever produced when It comes to Star Wars. I didnt feel "limited" and noone ever asked for era mix. But If It did have this feature, It probably would not be the great game we all know today.
    [/quote]

    Problems with comparing this to the Original. First, you didn't have to unlock heroes using in game credits or actual money.
    Second, the heroes were basically reskinned versions of the same 2 or 3 heroes. No one had unique abilities that were better suited to certain maps or situations.
    Third, heroes were what they were out of the box. No progression system. No cards to unlock and upgrade. A lot of people choose the hero they want to level up. I know I do.

    I want era locked folks to get the game mode they want, but they have to impliment some type of map selector if they do. If they release dooku and then lock it so he's only available a hand full of maps, that wont be good.
  • David1543 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    David1543 wrote: »



    I mean... he is in charge of the game lol... it is pretty much his game to do with what he wishes... and his wishes have been articulated. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is your prerogative.

    Yes he is in charge, and he wants this game to succeed I believe? So I hope he acknowledges the multitude of requests in the forums begging for a permanent mode where we can have an authentic era accurate experience. I'm sure he is not hesitant to let go of his ego and selfish vision to please his playerbase. I mean Its not like they grow money out of trees.

    You've already paid for the game, the only way to make more money would be to make more skins...... And they already are doing such a good job of that lol. They have no real reason to make it except to please a few on the forums, who represent at most 2% of the playerbase.

    Yes I have paid full price for a game with the belief that I would get consistent communication from the devs and updates based on community feedback from players like they promised. When consumers feel cheated, specially when Its more than once in the case of this company, It could lead to further boycott against them, which is something already occuring due to past similar titles. If I paid $60 for a game advertised for Its "live service", I expect them to keep some of their promises and deliver what players want as an ethical, concerning company.

    The accumulation of broken promises is so great with EA and Dice that they are starting to feel where It hurts with the increasing numbers of consumers refusing to buy any of their products, soon they will either have to change their practices or simply seize from existing.

    How exactly do you know the demographics of people who are opposed to cross era? How can you tell If of all the people who are opposed to cross era or any other thing, only the ones who are forum posters make up this percentage?
    EA SERVICES ARE LICENSED AND PROVIDED "AS IS." YOU USE THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK. TO THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED UNDER APPLICABLE LAW, EA GIVES NO EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY WARRANTIES, INCLUDING IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, SATISFACTORY QUALITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NONINFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, AND WARRANTIES ARISING FROM A COURSE OF DEALING, USAGE OR PRACTICE. EA DOES NOT WARRANT AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE PRODUCT OR EA SERVICE; THAT THE EA SERVICE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS;.

    You agreed to this, that you would have the the game "as is." The fact that you expected anything else is your fault. Once you agreed, they did not guarantee your enjoyment or your requirements. Again, you bought the game, they don't owe you anything.
    How exactly do you know the demographics of people who are opposed to cross era? How can you tell If of all the people who are opposed to cross era or any other thing, only the ones who are forum posters make up this percentage?
    Hold on, I said:
    They have no real reason to make it except to please a few on the forums, who represent at most 2% of the playerbase.
    As far as I can tell, only people on these forums care about this issue. On the reddit forums, they seem to have no real preference, as I attend there regularly and no one seems to care, even when I put up a thread about it, as they understand that every hero would have to be made with a semblance of balance..... otherwise teams would be unbalanced, leading to unfair advantages. Gameplay beats authentic experiences. And just based off the fact that 29 people are currently on vs the millions who bought the game, I can say pretty safely that this is a minority of the playerbase. If it's in DICE/EA's best interest they would simply make more heroes and skins, as that will make them ACTUAL money.[/quote]

    So you proved that EA is a greedy, careless company that can get away with being fined for practicing the lowest forms of misleading advertisement campaings in order to sell their product by means of their cynical TOS disclaimer. cool.

    But my point is, weather they think they can get away with It or not , they will still suffer from profit loss as such actions always results in more and more people boycotting the company. And It is not my fault I was lied to buy a product falsely advertised to offer me the things I just mentioned, It is by US law an illegal act, you corporate stooge.

    As for the reddit thing, It doesnt matter. My question is how do you know that the the majority of the playerbase share their concerns publicly on social media? I only started sharing my voice recently this month after years of playing this game.

    I wont repeat how much baseless this "balance" argument is. If you have any common sense, read my other posts where I explain why immersion has no effect on gameplay experience. Right now It seems you are just in denial, turn that defensive mechanism off and stop shielding yourself from opposing views that might obstruct your way of thinking.

    [/quote]
    It’s not EA’s fault the player base doesn’t read what they said lol. If you had any experience with EA games, specifically sport types, you know that. EA has been voted as the worst company, but we all still bought it, and if you don’t enjoy it that’s on you....
    At this point, they aren’t going to be suffering too much profit loss, as either the people believe that loot boxes are still here, and the reputation is already ruined. And it is your fault for not reading the TOS, and understanding that any bonus content is not promised. If you misinterpreted it, that’s on you. Nothing about this is illegal, you just expected better from one of the worst companies.
    The reddit thing does matter, as it represents a larger part of the player base. And if the player base doesn’t share their opinions, then it ain’t happening anyway. If they don’t want to discuss what they like about the game or dislike, that’s on them. Again, vocal minority.
    And the balance argument is the one thing that matters in a shooter such as this. Immersions such as this will have an effect on the game, as each hero has different and unique play styles. Limiting those for authenticity will mean certain unique units won’t be available, impacting gameplay. Take the FO vs Resistance. The FO has two of the worst heroes, and if you truly expect them to go against two of the best heroes in GA, and say that Authenticity has no effect on gameplay, is redundant. I’m not in denial, I am simply stating a fact, if special units are limited to specific maps, balance will suffer.

    Gameplay and balance>Immersion.
    This is a shooter, not an RPG.
    You guys are gonna make me rich......
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  • David1543 wrote: »

    So you proved that EA is a greedy, careless company that can get away with being fined for practicing the lowest forms of misleading advertisement campaings in order to sell their product by means of their cynical TOS disclaimer. cool.
    What did he "prove"??? He quoted the contract you agreed to willingly...
    But my point is, weather they think they can get away with It or not , they will still suffer from profit loss as such actions always results in more and more people boycotting the company. And It is not my fault I was lied to buy a product falsely advertised to offer me the things I just mentioned, It is by US law an illegal act, you corporate stooge.

    The vast majority of EA revenue comes from their sports franchises... people boycotting a Star Wars game will have little impact... as far as your assertion that EA has engaged in an illegal act against you, your recourse is to enter into binding arbitration with EA as you waived any other course of action when you agreed to the TOS.
    As for the reddit thing, It doesnt matter. My question is how do you know that the the majority of the playerbase share their concerns publicly on social media? I only started sharing my voice recently this month after years of playing this game.

    We know that the vast majority are not involved on social media with the game... if you are, you are in the outlier population.

    I wont repeat how much baseless this "balance" argument is. If you have any common sense, read my other posts where I explain why immersion has no effect on gameplay experience. Right now It seems you are just in denial, turn that defensive mechanism off and stop shielding yourself from opposing views that might obstruct your way of thinking.

    To say the balance argument is baseless indicates a fundamental lack of knowledge of the game, or willful ignorance to the effectiveness of certain heroes/villains in certain situations against each other. To argue for example that restricting the FO to only Phasma and Kylo when assaulting Jakku for example does not dramatically impact the balance of those particular games is ludicrous.
  • You all need to step up the quotation game. This is confusing...
  • You all need to step up the quotation game. This is confusing...

    It’s just one guy, who’s new. Pretty sure he doing the whole typing before bringing the cursor down thing, then messing up the edit. Then when others start stringing quotes it gets a little messy.
  • Darth_Vapor3
    4245 posts Member
    edited January 21
    F8RGE wrote: »
    To chime in here, we've got no plans to change the way Heroes work in GA.
    Ok. Then events it is.
  • F8RGE wrote: »
    To chime in here, we've got no plans to change the way Heroes work in GA.

    New mode no heroes
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  • Darth_Vapor3
    4245 posts Member
    edited January 21
    Alex64 wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    To chime in here, we've got no plans to change the way Heroes work in GA.

    BOOOMB!
    End of discussion

    Notice he said GA... We’re far from done here. If you think you ”got us” or something, this is exactly what we’ve been dealing with since release. Do your blood pressure a favor and find some other topics man. I thought you found this one boring?

    It’s best to just engage with the grownups.
  • Alex64 wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    To chime in here, we've got no plans to change the way Heroes work in GA.

    BOOOMB!
    Cross-Era is here to stay.
    End of discussion.

    And we all want cross-era to stay btw... We just want the option not to play it.
  • Alex64 wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    To chime in here, we've got no plans to change the way Heroes work in GA.

    BOOOMB!
    End of discussion

    Notice he said GA... We’re far from done here. If you think you ”got us” or something, this is exactly what we’ve been dealing with since release. Do your blood pressure a favor and find some other topics man. I thought you found this one boring?

    It’s best to just engage with to grownups.

    It’s easier to win if you race kids though.
  • Alex64 wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    To chime in here, we've got no plans to change the way Heroes work in GA.

    BOOOMB!
    End of discussion

    Notice he said GA... We’re far from done here. If you think you ”got us” or something, this is exactly what we’ve been dealing with since release. Do your blood pressure a favor and find some other topics man. I thought you found this one boring?

    It’s best to just engage with to grownups.

    It’s easier to win if you race kids though.

    Heh. Depends on the race.
  • Alex64 wrote: »
    F8RGE wrote: »
    To chime in here, we've got no plans to change the way Heroes work in GA.

    BOOOMB!
    End of discussion

    Notice he said GA... We’re far from done here. If you think you ”got us” or something, this is exactly what we’ve been dealing with since release. Do your blood pressure a favor and find some other topics man. I thought you found this one boring?

    It’s best to just engage with to grownups.

    It’s easier to win if you race kids though.

    Heh. Depends on the race.

    Fair point...
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