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ghawar18
1084 posts Member
edited February 5
All heavy i see play with this. Please nerf this.
TL50 is powerful than cr2


Here's what I propose, remove 50 hp epic shield (so it will be 250 HP purple) and augant the basic shield of heavy 50.
reduce the rate of fire of TL50

I am doing a MASSACRE with. This combination is horrible and this is so easly to kill with this than nobody want to play with other star card

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  • Nah while annoying just go assault & use the ion grenade & ion shot cr2 or go specialist with the A280 cfe with ion shot problem solved. Could even just be a heavy & use the fmbk with ion shot. Once I die from a heavy with shields I pull out the cr2 or the A280

    This. The A280CFE with ion mod melts shields and I've had a few Heavy players that were shocked their shield went away after just activating it (which helps when they stop shooting because of it).
    May your heart be your guiding key.
  • Nah while annoying just go assault & use the ion grenade & ion shot cr2 or go specialist with the A280 cfe with ion shot problem solved. Could even just be a heavy & use the fmbk with ion shot. Once I die from a heavy with shields I pull out the cr2 or the A280


    when DICE will enable / disable ion firing or enable ion firing like bf2015 maybe I would, permanent ion mode does not make it interesting to play
  • Nerfing things won't make you do any better

    haha .... i am not a bad player thank,
    i explain what change i would see on TL50

    When you see how quikly you kill a executor with TL50, imagine just you are doing to the soldier....
  • ghawar18
    1084 posts Member
    edited February 5
    Dionysos_B wrote: »
    Not all heavies use a shield, i certainly never do when i play as a heavy

    And the TL50 is just fine, period

    just 98% of player...
  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    Dionysos_B wrote: »
    Not all heavies use a shield, i certainly never do when i play as a heavy

    And the TL50 is just fine, period

    just 98% of player...

    Lol I never use it cause that crap makes you stupidly immobile and if the TL-50 got any type of nerf it would be garbedge I all ready hate that gun with how nuts the spread is on it DC-15>TL-50.
    Dont act a fool and you wont get called out. PSN: DarthOdium- old PSN:unit900000
  • Yep super Scrub combo for corner and crowd dwellers
  • Every class has their own thing. Personally, I don't use the shield very often. Most times I use a Heavy is when I have an ATST to take out. The Turret is quite helpful in that regard. I can take down an ATST 1v1 with Explosive Sentry and the turret. If I'm in close quarters, I prefer all other classes over the Heavy.

    There isn't a problem with the shield.
  • The shield makes the soldier too long to move. A barrage and or a grenade can solve the problem.

    I often play as heavy, and nor the turret nor the shield are part of my customisation. I mainly play with barrage, explosive sentinnel and quick health regen + TL50 (reduced dispersion and less heat generation) or FMBK (don't remember my customisation).
  • The TL50 is borderline useless outside of close quarters. Just put some distance between the player using it and yourself and you'll be fine. The shields are a mild irritation, but I don't see too many people running them except in Extraction. I can't see why either would need a nerf.
  • Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.
  • As someone that uses the shield with either DC-15 (75%) and TL-50, if it is too strong, use it. As far as reduced mobility with the shield, it doesn't take long to finish a target with either DC-15 and TL-50 and then you turn it off. Only time mobility is annoying to me is defending one path to an objective when I typically have it out.

    As heavy doesn't have scan dart/vanguard or infiltration, I don't see the big deal about the shield. The shield is very strong in head to head CQC which is what heavy seems designed. Assault and specialist have situational awareness and speed boost skills that allow them to excel in flanking and not walking into a heavy with a shield head on.

    When I'm a heavy, I don't fear assault and specialist as I'm taking them on when I have the advantage. When I'm a specialist or an assault, I don't fear heavies as their shield is usually pointed the wrong direction.
  • I have already written the seminal topic on nerfing Heavy, and I don't appreciate being blatantly plagiarized like this!
  • If you're encountering a player running this, use ion grenade which immediately takes down the shield and does damage to the player. I experience this mostly on Extraction and Strike, and works very well. Also good against bubble boys.
  • il96
    584 posts Member
    the TL-50 is garbage from about 10 feet and beyond (with mods)
    PS4 ButtersEgo96
  • If you're encountering a player running this, use ion grenade which immediately takes down the shield and does damage to the player. I experience this mostly on Extraction and Strike, and works very well. Also good against bubble boys.

    True enough. ...but still a super cheesey set up on small modes ( corner campers ) ....One day in the distant future mode based values will happen :-(
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    I have already written the seminal topic on nerfing Heavy, and I don't appreciate being blatantly plagiarized like this!


    I do not know since when you did your post but the nerve TL50 and epic shield was in my early post ^^. I'm telling you that you share my oppin. I really do not understand people who say that this is not a problem ....
  • ghawar18
    1084 posts Member
    edited February 5
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following
  • Heavy Shield is the most cheesed card in the game for sure. That being said, there are counters.
    PSN: BucksawBoushh
  • Shield or no shield i kill them just the same. Unless it's blast then they have an advantage and i kill them differently.
  • Specialist shock grenade usually makes them move lol
    zzwptdfip6uv.gif


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  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    How long have you been playing this game?
  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    How long have you been playing this game?

    since the game's launch
  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    I have already written the seminal topic on nerfing Heavy, and I don't appreciate being blatantly plagiarized like this!


    I do not know since when you did your post but the nerve TL50 and epic shield was in my early post ^^. I'm telling you that you share my oppin. I really do not understand people who say that this is not a problem ....
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    I have already written the seminal topic on nerfing Heavy, and I don't appreciate being blatantly plagiarized like this!


    I do not know since when you did your post but the nerve TL50 and epic shield was in my early post ^^. I'm telling you that you share my oppin. I really do not understand people who say that this is not a problem ....

    Let them have their crutch
  • Oh god... there is a direct counter to shields in the assault class.

    No nerf is needed.
  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.
    Dont act a fool and you wont get called out. PSN: DarthOdium- old PSN:unit900000
  • Defbored wrote: »
    Oh god... there is a direct counter to shields in the assault class.

    No nerf is needed.

    again this this not just against epic shield
    this is against epic shield and TL50

    epic shild is not too enervant with the first 3 heavy weapon.
    TL 50 is very strong.

    The two sets are doing very badly,
    these are minor and thought-out modifications that I propose,
    this could pass the combo of infernal TL50 + epic shield just very strong.
  • ghawar18
    1084 posts Member
    edited February 5
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses
  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.
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  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    Ok, and a sniper rifle beats them both if we are going to talk hypotheticals based on 100% accuracy at optimum range... nerf specialist weapons!
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    Ok, and a sniper rifle beats them both if we are going to talk hypotheticals based on 100% accuracy at optimum range... nerf specialist weapons!

    Nerf the NT-242, it can get a TTK of zero!
    You guys are gonna make me rich......
    Xbox G-tag
    XJO461
    That Specialist rework was disappointing.
    nceaq2h23fqj.png



  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    Ok, and a sniper rifle beats them both if we are going to talk hypotheticals based on 100% accuracy at optimum range... nerf specialist weapons!

    Nerf the NT-242, it can get a TTK of zero!

    Exactly, that weapon is so OP that just thinking about it makes me vomit!
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    I just re-test arcade,
    1vs1 to body corp
    Heavy wins with 40 pv remaining.

    On the other hand at the level of numbers, here is what I have: I do not know if it is me who is wrong, or you, or if arcade is bugged but I let you check by yourself.

    CR2
    816 damage over 3.5 seconds
    DPS: 233

    TL50
    1020 damage over 4.3 seconds
    DPS: 237
  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    I just re-test arcade,
    1vs1 to body corp
    Heavy wins with 40 pv remaining.

    On the other hand at the level of numbers, here is what I have: I do not know if it is me who is wrong, or you, or if arcade is bugged but I let you check by yourself.

    CR2
    816 damage over 3.5 seconds
    DPS: 233

    TL50
    1020 damage over 4.3 seconds
    DPS: 237

    DPS isn't over 3.5 seconds, it's over 1 second. The CR-2 has more dps because of faster fire rate, and only 3 less damage than the TL-50. It's higer fire rate gives more total damage.
    You guys are gonna make me rich......
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    That Specialist rework was disappointing.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc

    If someone is sitting crouched with the shield, get behind cover and corner peek, then toss the grenade. If you engage without any cover, then yeah, you should lose that fight anyway.
    You guys are gonna make me rich......
    Xbox G-tag
    XJO461
    That Specialist rework was disappointing.
    nceaq2h23fqj.png



  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc

    If someone is sitting crouched with the shield, get behind cover and corner peek, then toss the grenade. If you engage without any cover, then yeah, you should lose that fight anyway.

    It is not worth suggesting solutions... they don't want solutions because that requires effort and adapting on their part... they want NERPHS!!! That way they can keep doing exactly what they have been doing and feel more successful!
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    Ok, and a sniper rifle beats them both if we are going to talk hypotheticals based on 100% accuracy at optimum range... nerf specialist weapons!

    Nerf the NT-242, it can get a TTK of zero!

    The best gun in the game...
    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    I just re-test arcade,
    1vs1 to body corp
    Heavy wins with 40 pv remaining.

    On the other hand at the level of numbers, here is what I have: I do not know if it is me who is wrong, or you, or if arcade is bugged but I let you check by yourself.

    CR2
    816 damage over 3.5 seconds
    DPS: 233

    TL50
    1020 damage over 4.3 seconds
    DPS: 237

    DPS isn't over 3.5 seconds, it's over 1 second. The CR-2 has more dps because of faster fire rate, and only 3 less damage than the TL-50. It's higer fire rate gives more total damage.


    816 /3,5 = 233

    1020/4,3= 237
  • Clone201
    3979 posts Member
    edited February 5
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3

    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    This data you posted there was relevant only before all the nerfs to the CR-2 and SE-44C in the past.

    The CR-2 now has a max DPS of 240 because each does 16 points of damage and a ROF of 15 shots per second. It was nerfed shortly after the game's launch from the original max DPS of 255.

    The SE-44C had yet again been nerfed down to 232.5 from the former 247.5 since Geonosis. Note that its ROF value is 7.5 shots per second.

    The TL-50's DPS has remained at a max DPS of 233 and a ROF of 11.667 shots per second since the game's launch. It was never nerfed at any point might I add.
    ghawar18 wrote: »

    816 /3,5 = 233

    1020/4,3= 237

    @ghawar18

    That is definitely not what DPS stands for. You only posted the average, not the exact. That's certainly not a good move there bud.

    DPS is determined by how much damage, using the damage per shot and ROF values, a gun can do within a second, NOT over a period of time.

    The TL-50 does more damage for its many shots it can exhaust before reloading; as well as including the increased damage per shot than the CR-2, but it does not do higher damage per second than said CR-2 however.

    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    I just re-test arcade,
    1vs1 to body corp
    Heavy wins with 40 pv remaining.

    On the other hand at the level of numbers, here is what I have: I do not know if it is me who is wrong, or you, or if arcade is bugged but I let you check by yourself.

    CR2
    816 damage over 3.5 seconds
    DPS: 233

    TL50
    1020 damage over 4.3 seconds
    DPS: 237

    DPS isn't over 3.5 seconds, it's over 1 second. The CR-2 has more dps because of faster fire rate, and only 3 less damage than the TL-50. It's higer fire rate gives more total damage.


    816 /3,5 = 233

    1020/4,3= 237

    That is a different time frame, record the TL-50 damage at 3.5 seconds, and compare it to the CR-2. You can't compare different timings, that's not a reliable damage per second.
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  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc

    If someone is sitting crouched with the shield, get behind cover and corner peek, then toss the grenade. If you engage without any cover, then yeah, you should lose that fight anyway.

    It is not worth suggesting solutions... they don't want solutions because that requires effort and adapting on their part... they want NERPHS!!! That way they can keep doing exactly what they have been doing and feel more successful!


    you know, I find that each class needs buff and nerve on different points, whether weapons or cards, we can not talk about nerve or buff.
    I speak of TL50 nerve + shield because they are players who choose the facility to win.
  • Clone201 wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3

    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    This data you posted there was relevant only before all the nerfs to the CR-2 and SE-44C in the past.

    The CR-2 now has a max DPS of 240 because each does 16 points of damage and a ROF of 15 shots per second. It was nerfed shortly after the game's launch from the original max DPS of 255.

    The SE-44C had yet again been nerfed down to 232.5 from the former 247.5 since Geonosis. Note that its ROF value is 7.5 shots per second.

    The TL-50's DPS has remained at a max DPS of 233 and a ROF of 11.667 shots per second since the game's launch. It was never nerfed at any point might I add.

    True, I just realized this. But even then, the CR-2 still has higher DPS than the TL-50
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  • ghawar18 wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc

    If someone is sitting crouched with the shield, get behind cover and corner peek, then toss the grenade. If you engage without any cover, then yeah, you should lose that fight anyway.

    It is not worth suggesting solutions... they don't want solutions because that requires effort and adapting on their part... they want NERPHS!!! That way they can keep doing exactly what they have been doing and feel more successful!


    you know, I find that each class needs buff and nerve on different points, whether weapons or cards, we can not talk about nerve or buff.
    I speak of TL50 nerve + shield because they are players who choose the facility to win.

    Awesome... so we are going to base nerf requests on whether players "choose the facility to win"... I am pretty sure people don't choose things with the intent of increasing their chances of losing, so if someone picks something, it by definition should be nerfed as they are picking it to win... solid balancing logic.
  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc

    If someone is sitting crouched with the shield, get behind cover and corner peek, then toss the grenade. If you engage without any cover, then yeah, you should lose that fight anyway.

    It is not worth suggesting solutions... they don't want solutions because that requires effort and adapting on their part... they want NERPHS!!! That way they can keep doing exactly what they have been doing and feel more successful!


    you know, I find that each class needs buff and nerve on different points, whether weapons or cards, we can not talk about nerve or buff.
    I speak of TL50 nerve + shield because they are players who choose the facility to win.

    Awesome... so we are going to base nerf requests on whether players "choose the facility to win"... I am pretty sure people don't choose things with the intent of increasing their chances of losing, so if someone picks something, it by definition should be nerfed as they are picking it to win... solid balancing logic.

    If that is the case, do we nerf the SE-44C because every Officer uses it? Should we nerf the A280 and the shield bubble on specialist because everyone uses it? Should we nerf Toughen up and CR-2 again because everyone uses it? No, we should accept that no self respecting player is going to choose worse guns or star cards, and live with it, if you get outplayed, you get outplayed.
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  • t3hBar0n wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    t3hBar0n wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    unit900000 wrote: »
    ghawar18 wrote: »
    Heavy main with the TL50 and I just don't use the combat shield at all as I prefer the IG, Barrage or the RD combination.
    Any ION weapon will melt the shield. The TL50 is just fine.


    Do you find it normal that TL50 is superior to CR2?

    the heavy loads are equipped with gunshots not super weapons hit for close combat

    TL50 cooling himself very too much quikly, you can chain so soldier following

    CR2 feels a lot better then the TL50 imo.

    DPS CR2 : 233
    150 HP assault

    DPS TL50 : 242
    200 HP heavy

    in blaster fight, cr2 loses

    No, DPS of CR2:283.3
    DPS of TL-50: 233.3

    In blaster fight, CR-2 will win, as it has the highest DPS out of all the guns EXCEPT the SE-44c with the rapid fire mod. Even with the ion mod equiiped it still does higher dps than the TL-50.

    Lol like the Scrub doesn’t not sit crouched behind the shield firing? Combo is what the OP is talking about... ion grenade will not be quick enough in tight space Cqc

    If someone is sitting crouched with the shield, get behind cover and corner peek, then toss the grenade. If you engage without any cover, then yeah, you should lose that fight anyway.

    It is not worth suggesting solutions... they don't want solutions because that requires effort and adapting on their part... they want NERPHS!!! That way they can keep doing exactly what they have been doing and feel more successful!


    you know, I find that each class needs buff and nerve on different points, whether weapons or cards, we can not talk about nerve or buff.
    I speak of TL50 nerve + shield because they are players who choose the facility to win.

    Awesome... so we are going to base nerf requests on whether players "choose the facility to win"... I am pretty sure people don't choose things with the intent of increasing their chances of losing, so if someone picks something, it by definition should be nerfed as they are picking it to win... solid balancing logic.


    I understand that each player chooses the equipment that will give him the best chance of winning but when this equipment dominates and gives you an edge over most other equipment, this is a problem.
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