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Remove Retribution

I said earlier that i wanted to keep retribution bc its unique and just nerf it, but i change my mind. Its way too game breaking, and heroic might is too

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  • Maybe they could be replaced with an actually interesting ability thats new and takes time to learn
  • Um mate you posted this twice in a row
    Where's the offline content?
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  • Um mate you posted this twice in a row

    Oops didnt mean too must of been a bug
  • Give the players the option to have heroic might or retribution
  • Give the players the option to have heroic might or retribution

    Nah, if it comes to that id rather they just get rid of retribution
  • All heroes or at least all Force-users should have ultimates. And they need to change the way you gain Retribution and how quickly it charges. You shouldn’t gain an ability from you and your teammates teammates taking damage. Not only does this reward poor gameplay from you and your team, but it makes it take little skill to actually obtain Retribution. As of now it’s also an ability that can reasonably be obtained in under 3 minutes, despite it being an ability that’s supposed to be able to be used “2 or 3 times per match” by a good Anakin player. It should gain charge from kills, and the amount of kills has to be significant so that it can only be used 3 times by a good player in an average match.
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  • Boba Fett has had 4 abilities technically since launch.

    Glad to see people just complain and cry nerf instead of maybe learning to counter the character, just tonight I constantly killed Anakin as Kylo in HvV.

    GA and CS just squad up and fill him full of blasters, play smart and any character/class is easily countered.
  • Relmets
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    DaveKikAz wrote: »
    Boba Fett has had 4 abilities technically since launch.

    Not comparable

    Boba's increased maneuverability granted by his jetpack is not a win button. It is not an inherent advantage. The player needs to be able to use it effectively. He does not get a damage reduction for using it. He is arguably more vulnerable when using it, especially to force attacks and various knockdowns. One of his abilities (For the Hunt) is basically tied to his jetpack, and another one (concussion) is extremely underwhelming. Unlike Anakin who has four extremely potent abilities that not only are amazingly good on their own but combo together ridiculously easily.

    Boba as a whole is designed with his ability to fly in mind. It is part of the whole package, he is maneuverable but very squishy, and using the jetpack in combat comes with as many potential disadvantages as it does advantages.

    Setting aside Ani without retribution, who is still cheesy, retribution itself is a terribly thought out get-out-of-jail-free card that has no place in this game
    DaveKikAz wrote: »

    Glad to see people just complain and cry nerf instead of maybe learning to counter the character, just tonight I constantly killed Anakin as Kylo in HvV.

    No offense but many of the players calling for Ani to be nerfed would stomp you in HvV
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  • I can’t believe anyone QA tested Anakin in HvV and said, “yes, this is fine.”
  • GrayOne
    406 posts Member
    Block his ability, like everyone else does, then kill him. Stop try to rush and spam attack like every unskilled player does. Use your brain more and your fingers less
  • GrayOne wrote: »
    Block his ability, like everyone else does, then kill him. Stop try to rush and spam attack like every unskilled player does. Use your brain more and your fingers less

    How can you kill Anakin then, what happens is Anakin has like 100 hp left and he’s completely open for attack and when you attack to finish him off, he melts you with the stupid ability
  • I'm sorry but saying Anakin isn't broken or basically giving players the "git gud" response is a joke.

    He is broken, absolutely no question about it. He can literally walk into a crowd of enemies, use Heroic Might whilst tanking all there fire to maybe half health? Then completely obliterate them and walk off to the next lot of enemies, all the while gaining build up for Retribution which is basically Heroic Might with force grip.

    I just came from a HvV game, we managed to get him to half health. He stops, uses HM whilst Vader, Grevious and myself as Boba rinse him...barely any damage is taken and we more or less get destroyed from the blast and he finishes 2 off whilst Luke comes in and finishes me off.

    Considering someone like Boba who is based around range and manoeuvrability can be force pulled and then slashed to bits in seconds by Anakin just basically removes any point in playing someone like him. He's far too tanky, his abilities allowed him to take even more damage than normal and to top it off allows him to then punish players for causing him damage in the first place...

    And if someone has farmed (and I use the term farm because he is extremely difficult to beat) his star cards to the point he can gain 120 HP on kill and double that with hero kills well its just pointless.

    He needs a nerf, he makes gameplay in some games unbearable as he's just too strong to kill.

    Balancing seems to be a big issue with EA and DICE as a whole. Map design is poor meaning its very one sided for a certain team (see Crait as a prime example). If we go back to the first BF from 2015/16 era you'll remember the disgusting blaster dominance of the DL-44 which could destroy players with a single shot to the head in most fights.

    Fingers crossed Anakin gets the nerf he needs. I'm not saying destroy his traits/abilities to the point he's useless but maybe make it so its more of a risk reward when taking damage to build up retribution. Make players use him more tactically than just rambo charging into a flock of enemies and spamming the kill feed with the active players name.
  • Colin777 wrote: »
    I can’t believe anyone QA tested Anakin in HvV and said, “yes, this is fine.”

    Cause he's fine in HvV

    No hes really not, stop defending him just bc you like the character, i like him too, just not like this

    Nah it's a skill level thing. My skill clearly(judging from these post & comments) is higher than the ones like you or all the nerfherders who think he ruins HvV. Anakin gives the lightside a,chance to win games now where before it was a darkside stomp. I've won games just like I have before anakin.

    If one character takes a faction from losing to winning 80% of the games, that character is just like a mobile game character. Jedi Knight Revan took the Jedi faction and made it literally the best from the worst faction. Anakin did it for the LS as well. He’s the most powerful hero here, and to say that he doesn’t ruin DS HvV is ridiculous, I’ve carried way more fandoms with him and made even a well put together DS team turn to dust. To say he’s fine in HvV.
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  • MC_XIX
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    DaveKikAz wrote: »
    Boba Fett has had 4 abilities technically since launch.

    Glad to see people just complain and cry nerf instead of maybe learning to counter the character, just tonight I constantly killed Anakin as Kylo in HvV.

    GA and CS just squad up and fill him full of blasters, play smart and any character/class is easily countered.

    Nah. If you're saying Boba has 4 abilities, then so do Leia & Iden with their secondary fire.

    Boba's fine aim is sacrificed for his jetpack. So realistically, every character with fine aim has 4 abilities - using fine aim or a scope is an ability if you want to see it that way.

    Also, are we really classing concussion missile as an ability? That thing is useless.
  • MC_XIX wrote: »
    DaveKikAz wrote: »
    Boba Fett has had 4 abilities technically since launch.

    Glad to see people just complain and cry nerf instead of maybe learning to counter the character, just tonight I constantly killed Anakin as Kylo in HvV.

    GA and CS just squad up and fill him full of blasters, play smart and any character/class is easily countered.

    Nah. If you're saying Boba has 4 abilities, then so do Leia & Iden with their secondary fire.

    Boba's fine aim is sacrificed for his jetpack. So realistically, every character with fine aim has 4 abilities - using fine aim or a scope is an ability if you want to see it that way.

    Also, are we really classing concussion missile as an ability? That thing is useless.

    The ability occupies the fourth ability slot and allowed him to previously be essentially immune to Saber heroes. And Concussion missle is pretty much useless without the card, but still doesn’t take away the fact he has four abilities. And using a scope is not a fourth ability, considering that every Infantry has it as default with a fourth ability slot open. Secondary/Alternate Fire is arguable for a fourth ability, but not really as it doesn’t occupy the ability slot. Boba legit has an ability occupying the fourth slot, you might not consider it an ability, but it is, and that ability is what allows him to be essentially invincible against Saber heroes.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Colin777 wrote: »
    I can’t believe anyone QA tested Anakin in HvV and said, “yes, this is fine.”

    Cause he's fine in HvV

    No hes really not, stop defending him just bc you like the character, i like him too, just not like this

    Nah it's a skill level thing. My skill clearly(judging from these post & comments) is higher than the ones like you or all the nerfherders who think he ruins HvV. Anakin gives the lightside a,chance to win games now where before it was a darkside stomp. I've won games just like I have before anakin.

    If one character takes a faction from losing to winning 80% of the games, that character is just like a mobile game character. Jedi Knight Revan took the Jedi faction and made it literally the best from the worst faction. Anakin did it for the LS as well. He’s the most powerful hero here, and to say that he doesn’t ruin DS HvV is ridiculous, I’ve carried way more fandoms with him and made even a well put together DS team turn to dust. To say he’s fine in HvV.

    80% nah every game I've played since anakins release I've won as both an equal amount of time. Idk what to tell ya cause when I'm dark side I win most of my games. He's fine it all depends on your skill level tbh
  • ZmanGames wrote: »
    All heroes or at least all Force-users should have ultimates. And they need to change the way you gain Retribution and how quickly it charges. You shouldn’t gain an ability from you and your teammates teammates taking damage. Not only does this reward poor gameplay from you and your team, but it makes it take little skill to actually obtain Retribution. As of now it’s also an ability that can reasonably be obtained in under 3 minutes, despite it being an ability that’s supposed to be able to be used “2 or 3 times per match” by a good Anakin player. It should gain charge from kills, and the amount of kills has to be significant so that it can only be used 3 times by a good player in an average match.

    I’m fine with it as is, but this could work too.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Colin777 wrote: »
    I can’t believe anyone QA tested Anakin in HvV and said, “yes, this is fine.”

    Cause he's fine in HvV

    No hes really not, stop defending him just bc you like the character, i like him too, just not like this

    Nah it's a skill level thing. My skill clearly(judging from these post & comments) is higher than the ones like you or all the nerfherders who think he ruins HvV. Anakin gives the lightside a,chance to win games now where before it was a darkside stomp. I've won games just like I have before anakin.

    If one character takes a faction from losing to winning 80% of the games, that character is just like a mobile game character. Jedi Knight Revan took the Jedi faction and made it literally the best from the worst faction. Anakin did it for the LS as well. He’s the most powerful hero here, and to say that he doesn’t ruin DS HvV is ridiculous, I’ve carried way more fandoms with him and made even a well put together DS team turn to dust. To say he’s fine in HvV.

    80% nah every game I've played since anakins release I've won as both an equal amount of time. Idk what to tell ya cause when I'm dark side I win most of my games. He's fine it all depends on your skill level tbh

    That's not quite true. Anakin is the most OP and easiest hero to play with. A good Anakin is levels better than anything ''good'' the Darkside can offer. It's not about skill, players of equal skill in Hvv would lose more to a composition having Anakin simply because he is just levels ahead of the darkside, not even Boba is top tier now with the introduction of Anakin since he can easily dispose of him. Anakin needs serious toning down to the levels of the rest.
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  • This ability should be removed either permanently or until everyone else has a fourth ability.

    Retribution rewards players for blocking and dodging and running and not engaging. It requires less skill than just about any other ability, yet it is one of the most powerful abilities in the game.

    Retribution is at its most annoying when you have beaten an Anakin down to some 10 health, only for him to become the target, get all his health back and use Retribution shortly thereafter.
  • Colin777 wrote: »
    I said earlier that i wanted to keep retribution bc its unique and just nerf it, but i change my mind. Its way too game breaking, and heroic might is too

    Learn to adjust to new hero abilities. This is what everyone should do. Adapt or die!
  • dirgerex wrote: »
    Colin777 wrote: »
    I said earlier that i wanted to keep retribution bc its unique and just nerf it, but i change my mind. Its way too game breaking, and heroic might is too

    Learn to adjust to new hero abilities. This is what everyone should do. Adapt or die!
    Spoken like an Anakin player.
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Colin777 wrote: »
    I can’t believe anyone QA tested Anakin in HvV and said, “yes, this is fine.”

    Cause he's fine in HvV

    No hes really not, stop defending him just bc you like the character, i like him too, just not like this

    Nah it's a skill level thing. My skill clearly(judging from these post & comments) is higher than the ones like you or all the nerfherders who think he ruins HvV. Anakin gives the lightside a,chance to win games now where before it was a darkside stomp. I've won games just like I have before anakin.

    If one character takes a faction from losing to winning 80% of the games, that character is just like a mobile game character. Jedi Knight Revan took the Jedi faction and made it literally the best from the worst faction. Anakin did it for the LS as well. He’s the most powerful hero here, and to say that he doesn’t ruin DS HvV is ridiculous, I’ve carried way more fandoms with him and made even a well put together DS team turn to dust. To say he’s fine in HvV.

    80% nah every game I've played since anakins release I've won as both an equal amount of time. Idk what to tell ya cause when I'm dark side I win most of my games. He's fine it all depends on your skill level tbh

    That's not quite true. Anakin is the most OP and easiest hero to play with. A good Anakin is levels better than anything ''good'' the Darkside can offer. It's not about skill, players of equal skill in Hvv would lose more to a composition having Anakin simply because he is just levels ahead of the darkside, not even Boba is top tier now with the introduction of Anakin since he can easily dispose of him. Anakin needs serious toning down to the levels of the rest.

    While I agree with you, since his release a lot of the games I play as lightside are competitive. Usually DS stomp the lightside into oblivion if both teams were skilled & if the lightside got the score down to 0-2 you knew you would easily win as darkside next game. Boba is still top tier to me, he still stomps most every lightside hero besides anakin. I believe boba isn't top top to other players because they were so use to swooping in & doing whatever they wanted to & now you cant do that unless anakin isnt around. Less effective sure but he's still top tier at least to me.
  • It’s an ability that shouldn’t exist in the first place. It’s a fourth ability that none of the other 19 heroes have. Anakin will only start to be balanced once it’s removed.

    Also, don't forget the broken health on kill card which heals him to 100% everytime he uses retribution.
  • N_AM10
    55 posts Member
    Colin777 wrote: »
    I can’t believe anyone QA tested Anakin in HvV and said, “yes, this is fine.”

    Cause he's fine in HvV

    No hes really not, stop defending him just bc you like the character, i like him too, just not like this

    Use Vader or Kylo or Dooku or Grievous against him in HvV. He isn't a problem in that gamemode
  • Anakin is fine as he is. That kd using passionate strike does need to go.
    Ive gotten my keister handed to me as anakin and served out other keisters while playing him.
    You get a good group both playing against you or with you, you can make the playing field equal.
    The crying,calling for nerfs, removing abilities. Isnt the answer.
    This isnt a git gud reply either.
    This is a learn the toon, know strengths, weakness.
    Just because you got smoked by anakin doesnt mean you run n cry on the forums.
    When I get smoked. I try and learn how to beat him. Use the tactics used on me and try to incorporate them into my playstyle.
    Crying and whining to the devs calling for nerfs isnt the way to do it.
    Thats the sissy way.
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  • Boba has half the health and half the regen of Anakin. If you can’t see why one is stronger than the other you don’t deserve to be making arguments about anything.

    Saying Boba’s jet pack is a 4th ability is like saying lightsaber blocking is a 4th ability.
  • No hero in this game should have 4 abilities. Heros are strong enough as they are. I genuinely can't understand how Dice are struggling with this.
    - Remove retribution completely
    - Reduce his health to 850
    - Remove knockdown from passionate strike

    Honestly just those 3 things instantly balance this game better and for the life of me, I can't believe the state that DICE released him in originally and thought he was ok!
  • Anakin mains just won't accept how cheap and easy and op their character is. Believe it or not guys the rest of us could rush to choose Anakin to make it easy too, but we don't because we think it's unprincipled and not fun to play with a character that functions like God mode.
  • I think they should keep this ability BUT add an animation to the build up (similar to heroic might) so there is a chance to dodge or block it in some way.
    That way it becomes high(er) risk - high reward, instead of unblockable spam.
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