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December CC

"Immersion" is the worst and only reason to era lock

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  • SnakeMajin wrote: »
    I'm glad to discover Anakin on every map is variety.

    Well open your mind a little and you'll realize it's not just Anakin.

    Open my mind ? When it's about the very thing I can not change - what others pick - you tell me to open my mind ?

    I see Anakin and Vader on every map. That's what happens in Europe pal.
  • SnakeMajin wrote: »
    SnakeMajin wrote: »
    I'm glad to discover Anakin on every map is variety.

    Well open your mind a little and you'll realize it's not just Anakin.

    Open my mind ? When it's about the very thing I can not change - what others pick - you tell me to open my mind ?

    I see Anakin and Vader on every map. That's what happens in Europe pal.

    Liar. Since the nerf he's not nearly as frequently seen.
  • SnakeMajin wrote: »
    SnakeMajin wrote: »
    I'm glad to discover Anakin on every map is variety.

    Well open your mind a little and you'll realize it's not just Anakin.

    Open my mind ? When it's about the very thing I can not change - what others pick - you tell me to open my mind ?

    I see Anakin and Vader on every map. That's what happens in Europe pal.

    Liar. Since the nerf he's not nearly as frequently seen.

    We are not all on the same server and map. Calling me a liar won't change the fact our experiences differ.
    He's still a formidable opponent, if not the strongest. So he's taken.
  • Hesha wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    Y dont we era unlock every reinforcement and vehicle whilst we are at it so we really get the full experience?

    This guy gets it, why are heroes the exception? If tanks and reinforcements are era locked then heroes should be to.

    Check the post at the top of this page for the reason for no vehicles. I wouldn't mind era unlocked reinforcements however.
  • Hesha wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    Y dont we era unlock every reinforcement and vehicle whilst we are at it so we really get the full experience?

    This guy gets it, why are heroes the exception? If tanks and reinforcements are era locked then heroes should be to.

    Check the post at the top of this page for the reason for no vehicles. I wouldn't mind era unlocked reinforcements however.

    well, that comment was *****... except for the Death Star, which is not considered a vehicle in this game, the sizes of the standard vehicles fit pretty well...
  • DarthJ wrote: »

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place.

    And yet Rey fighting on Hoth, despite her not being born, or Grievous fighting on Hoth, despite him being dead, is fine? Its daft.

    Personally I wouldnt era lock, but I would want BP put back to era heroes at 6k and non era at 8k, to make the incentive to use era heroes more. With that idea, a player can still save up to 8k for a non-era hero if they wish.

    The size of the vehicles is what would make them seem out of place. Rey is small compared to a tank. Yes size matters in this instance. Imagine having the death star floating above you on naboo. It would be wayyy more intrusive to your gaming experience than some stray death trooper for example. So there are degrees of impact that different things have on immersiveness compared to others, and size is a massive contributing factor to them. You understand now? Don't call me daft if you've got such a weak understanding of such a simple concept.

    I disagree, Heroes are much more intrusive on your gaming experience because they can go everywhere you go and more, unlike vehicles.
  • Well where "Immersion" is starting and where is it ending?

    Did we saw Yoda fighting Darth Maul on Naboo?
    Did we saw Bossk fighting somewhere on the battlefields or was he just interestend in bounty hunting?
    Did we saw Boba Fett on the battlefields or was he just interested in bounty hunting?
    Did we saw Leia fighting outside on Hoth or was she mostly just sitting in the commando center?

    I think i better stop here, there is more then enough examples. On Star Wars a lot of heroes have never fought each other or have ever been on some locations at war, even on the same era.

    For me the game is completly fine how it works right now, no need to complain about the era thing after two years anyways. I even like how it works.
    Also consider that era lock on Galactic Assault would lead to a massive content drop for each map.
  • Hesha wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    Y dont we era unlock every reinforcement and vehicle whilst we are at it so we really get the full experience?

    This guy gets it, why are heroes the exception? If tanks and reinforcements are era locked then heroes should be to.

    Check the post at the top of this page for the reason for no vehicles. I wouldn't mind era unlocked reinforcements however.

    well, that comment was ****... except for the Death Star, which is not considered a vehicle in this game, the sizes of the standard vehicles fit pretty well...

    Jesus Christ. It was an EXAGGERATION to prove a point!!
  • Hey to anyone that wants era locked in GA, just always remember you will never get your way and I'll always have it my way muhahaha
  • Hesha wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    Y dont we era unlock every reinforcement and vehicle whilst we are at it so we really get the full experience?

    This guy gets it, why are heroes the exception? If tanks and reinforcements are era locked then heroes should be to.

    Check the post at the top of this page for the reason for no vehicles. I wouldn't mind era unlocked reinforcements however.

    well, that comment was ****... except for the Death Star, which is not considered a vehicle in this game, the sizes of the standard vehicles fit pretty well...

    Jesus Christ. It was an EXAGGERATION to prove a point!!

    yeah, except the fact it did not prove anything - therefore a very weak comment
  • Hesha wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    Y dont we era unlock every reinforcement and vehicle whilst we are at it so we really get the full experience?

    This guy gets it, why are heroes the exception? If tanks and reinforcements are era locked then heroes should be to.

    Check the post at the top of this page for the reason for no vehicles. I wouldn't mind era unlocked reinforcements however.

    well, that comment was ****... except for the Death Star, which is not considered a vehicle in this game, the sizes of the standard vehicles fit pretty well...

    Jesus Christ. It was an EXAGGERATION to prove a point!!

    yeah, except the fact it did not prove anything - therefore a very weak comment

    Well it did, but someone like you would say anything to make it seem like it didn't.
  • Hesha wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »
    Y dont we era unlock every reinforcement and vehicle whilst we are at it so we really get the full experience?

    This guy gets it, why are heroes the exception? If tanks and reinforcements are era locked then heroes should be to.

    Check the post at the top of this page for the reason for no vehicles. I wouldn't mind era unlocked reinforcements however.

    well, that comment was ****... except for the Death Star, which is not considered a vehicle in this game, the sizes of the standard vehicles fit pretty well...

    Jesus Christ. It was an EXAGGERATION to prove a point!!

    yeah, except the fact it did not prove anything - therefore a very weak comment

    Well it did, but someone like you would say anything to make it seem like it didn't.

    Someone like me? So who am I?

    Which vehicle does not fit into the other eras then from your point of view? From a pure sizing perspective? I do not see anyone, except maybe the AT-TE which is also not considered a tank.

    See, I do not want cross era tanks or something like this, I do not see the reason for having such. But I just do not get your point and you seem quite offensive although I am just trying to tell you this :D
  • Hey to anyone that wants era locked in GA, just always remember you will never get your way and I'll always have it my way muhahaha

    So now you are just going to act as a spoiled brat that always gets what he wants? Did mummy and daddy always get you the biggest, bestest toy in the barbie section, did you play with them all day long and cuddle up to them when you went to sleep and cry if you lost them? Man, what a life you live.
    If this is the case, why even make this thread? It obviously seems like you are scared that others disagree and that they may get what they want from the game.
  • Oidmetala wrote: »
    Well where "Immersion" is starting and where is it ending?

    Did we saw Yoda fighting Darth Maul on Naboo?
    Did we saw Bossk fighting somewhere on the battlefields or was he just interestend in bounty hunting?
    Did we saw Boba Fett on the battlefields or was he just interested in bounty hunting?
    Did we saw Leia fighting outside on Hoth or was she mostly just sitting in the commando center?

    I think i better stop here, there is more then enough examples. On Star Wars a lot of heroes have never fought each other or have ever been on some locations at war, even on the same era.

    For me the game is completly fine how it works right now, no need to complain about the era thing after two years anyways. I even like how it works.
    Also consider that era lock on Galactic Assault would lead to a massive content drop for each map.

    That's how things and especially factions have always worked in video games.

    You've got a faction with an era-accurate roster you can deploy on era-accurate maps. The rest of history is yours. Think about OG Galactic Conquest.

    It's not because Caesar went in Gauls I can't decide to bring him in Africa instead, in Rome 2 Total War.
    It's not because Aragorn killed Lurtz in Lord of the Rings I can't have someone else from the fellowship kill him in the 2003 Two Towers video game.
    It's not because Goku killed Freezer with a Kamehameha I can't have Goku beat him using fists in Dragon Ball Z games.
    It's not because Obi-Wan cut Anakin in half in ROTS I cant give the final blow with force powers in the ROTS video game.

    You're pointing out how video games have always worked.

    This game is the only exception. It's a concern for some because everything else in the game GA is perfectly accurate faction-wise. Weapons are barely noticed. That's why cross-era Heroes are out of place in GA's design.
  • Lyc4n
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era
  • Lyc4n
    1493 posts Member
    Oidmetala wrote: »
    Well where "Immersion" is starting and where is it ending?

    Did we saw Yoda fighting Darth Maul on Naboo?
    Did we saw Bossk fighting somewhere on the battlefields or was he just interestend in bounty hunting?
    Did we saw Boba Fett on the battlefields or was he just interested in bounty hunting?
    Did we saw Leia fighting outside on Hoth or was she mostly just sitting in the commando center?

    I think i better stop here, there is more then enough examples. On Star Wars a lot of heroes have never fought each other or have ever been on some locations at war, even on the same era.

    For me the game is completly fine how it works right now, no need to complain about the era thing after two years anyways. I even like how it works.
    Also consider that era lock on Galactic Assault would lead to a massive content drop for each map.

    The amount of times this needs explaining is staggering. Us “immersion” folk are asking for an authentic experience, not a canon experience. By that, it is meant that as long as something is plausible and entirely possible, it is authentic, but that doesn’t mean it has to be entirely canon
    So, by using your examples:
    - Yoda and Maul were both alive during the events of the PT, and thus is entirely plausible that they could have fought one another on Naboo
    - Bossk was alive during the events of the PT and OT, so it is entirely plausible he accepted a contract to fight in battles
    - Same as previous
    - Leia was actually there, so it is entirely plausible that she could fight in the battle on Hoth

    This. No one needs to have seen the specific fight or event occur or the game would be boring, its the immersion of what is possible to occur and what is impossible like characters not being alive at the time.

    Either way ga will continue era unlocked and thats fine because it always has been, lets just keep cs immersive and then everyones fine.
  • Lyc4n wrote: »
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Star Wars Rebels is the cartoon set a couple years before A New Hope
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Star Wars Rebels is the cartoon set a couple years before A New Hope

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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Star Wars Rebels is the cartoon set a couple years before A New Hope

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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.
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    Out of era heroes in GA completely takes me out of the entire thing.

    Arent you in this game for competition though?? Or your actually mainly here to feel like your apart of the exact same situation on death star 2 every single time it comes around? I mean if you are a frequent player, you must of played that map hundreds of times, and the main thing you want is to feel like your replaying that over and over again as a stormtroopers or rebel? Surely have a larger variety of heroes and therefore more competitive gameplay would be more of a concern.

    I don't get competition in this game either. If I need to deal with steam roll after steam roll, I may as well be immersed as I get rolled over.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that fool rain johnson left the franchise in.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Also Armageddon was kind of cool. Apart from all the annoying gravity things like that asteroid having as much an effect on the astronauts as it did, and that stupid scene where they say they will simulate low gravity by making a vacuum in a big room haha like why would that simulate low gravity?? Haha Although not following things like that usually would fit in well with good old "light speed" star wars haha
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    I still dont understand why they made the resistance fight the first order instead of a new republic army? It was just to try and recreate the rebels, really poor choice in my opinion.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    It's so frustrating to see it gone so wrong. The SFX all suck and seem so unrealistic. They're just living off the nostalgia of what great directors did decades ago. Jurassic world sucks as well. That entire industry is to blame, and also the people that support those movies when they come out. I sure as hell ain't seeing any star wars anymore because I've chosen to boycott them for the filth they pump out.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    I agree 100%, you have the same views I do on that
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    I still dont understand why they made the resistance fight the first order instead of a new republic army? It was just to try and recreate the rebels, really poor choice in my opinion.

    Yeah that would of been cool. Like the whole republic was also only situated in one star system? I mean star killer only killed planets visible from takodana, so must of all had the same star, yet their entire republic was gone? Star killer was also a poor choice. Death star was believable, star killers extremely slow "laser" (can't of been a real laser, but whatever) would of taken years or decades to get where it had to. It obviously travelled slower than light because those people that it killed could see it before it hit them.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    It's so frustrating to see it gone so wrong. The SFX all suck and seem so unrealistic. They're just living off the nostalgia of what great directors did decades ago. Jurassic world sucks as well. That entire industry is to blame, and also the people that support those movies when they come out. I sure as hell ain't seeing any star wars anymore because I've chosen to boycott them for the filth they pump out.

    They forgot that the ST needed a credible villain and a reason to be invested in Rey's story.

    The only reason I want to see 9 is to see how bad they botch bringing Palps back from the dead.

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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    It's so frustrating to see it gone so wrong. The SFX all suck and seem so unrealistic. They're just living off the nostalgia of what great directors did decades ago. Jurassic world sucks as well. That entire industry is to blame, and also the people that support those movies when they come out. I sure as hell ain't seeing any star wars anymore because I've chosen to boycott them for the filth they pump out.

    They forgot that the ST needed a credible villain and a reason to be invested in Rey's story.

    The only reason I want to see 9 is to see how bad they botch bringing Palps back from the dead.

    Yeah that's right, kylo could of been so much greater than what he was. No sulking and whiney little boy stuff that he did would of been a start. Vader always had every single person on earth's attention because people knew if they ever met him in real life, he would not only physically intimidate them but was also mentally unbreakable because he was so focused on his goals. Whereas kylo had the potential to be similar to that or at least he have some great mystery about him. Except we got some weak minded little boy.
  • I'm actually pretty hopeful for episode 9. I imagine there's no way it can possibly be worse than episode 8. I'm also excited for the Mandalorian. It has a 20 million dollar budget per episode so they're definitely going all out. As far as "immersion" is concerned, this game is still an immersive Star Wars battle experience, GA is just not era authentic. Personally I don't mind it because I like to play as whatever hero I want on whatever map I want. However if they would simply expand CS to the other eras and keep it era locked that would cater to everyone's wants. GA for people who like the unlocked content and CS for people who don't. Hvv for people who like Hero on hero action. I would also just like to say that as far as money is concerned if they would promise us a steady stream of content and release it bug-free I would have no issues paying for a season pass. Just my two cents have a great day boys
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    It's so frustrating to see it gone so wrong. The SFX all suck and seem so unrealistic. They're just living off the nostalgia of what great directors did decades ago. Jurassic world sucks as well. That entire industry is to blame, and also the people that support those movies when they come out. I sure as hell ain't seeing any star wars anymore because I've chosen to boycott them for the filth they pump out.

    They forgot that the ST needed a credible villain and a reason to be invested in Rey's story.

    The only reason I want to see 9 is to see how bad they botch bringing Palps back from the dead.

    Yeah that's right, kylo could of been so much greater than what he was. No sulking and whiney little boy stuff that he did would of been a start. Vader always had every single person on earth's attention because people knew if they ever met him in real life, he would not only physically intimidate them but was also mentally unbreakable because he was so focused on his goals. Whereas kylo had the potential to be similar to that or at least he have some great mystery about him. Except we got some weak minded little boy.

    Crylo started out great. Once the 2 Storm Troopers heard him having his lil emo fit and turned around like it was a regular occurrence I gave up on him. It was a sign, that proved to be spot on :'(
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    The way people twist logic to play their favorite heroes is just amazing. It's time to Era lock. Get over it.

    They just need to leave ga cross era and add all eras to cs keeping everything era locked and everyone has an option.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    None of what you wrote makes any sense. Just because you don't want to see the imagination does not mean that it's not there. It only makes you look ignorant.
  • CeymalRen
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    The way people twist logic to play their favorite heroes is just amazing. It's time to Era lock. Get over it.

    They just need to leave ga cross era and add all eras to cs keeping everything era locked and everyone has an option.

    I could agree with that.
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    I really think immersion is key, its what makes cs so good. Its like someone said earlier, theres things like fighting on planets they didnt in the movies and stuff which doesnt matter but factions should stay strict. If not we may aswell just have light side and dark side and unlock all the skins aswell, i think this would ruin the experience

    Why may we as well unlock all the skins and vehicles and reinforcements? Why is it all or nothing with you? The development team have picked and chosen what they want to be era unlocked. You know why? Because that is an opinion they have. Perhaps the feeling of immersion is not so reliant on complete and total restrictions on content to that era. I still feel more or less immersed in endor even though I can see some heroes that aren't apart of that era. Seems the devs have stuck a good balance it feels. If they added all era reinforcements, next thing you will say is "oh well why don't they mix parts of other maps together with each other", because it's all or nothing right.

    Its not an all or nothing, but the only argument for cross era im hearing is more gameplay, so if its about more gameplay you might aswell unlock all vehicles starfighters and reinforcements since they are all different and offer different gameplay. Same as heroes, its double standards to say have cross eras for gameplay but restrict the other things that would offer even more gameplay. If they come out and say its because there isnt enough heroes in a certain era or whatever then thats fine, but the argument for cross era heroes for gameplay without giving cross era everything that offers more gameplay is a much worse reason than immersion.

    Well maybe the assumed correctly that basically everyone in the game would be more accepting of cross era heroes than cross era vehicles and reinforcements. So they had to pick their battle wisely and just limit the heroes to being cross era. Adding all era reinforcements and vehicles would add more variety and "gameplay", but it would no doubt be more controversial than just having the heroes as cross era. They've struck a good balance with appealing to people that want more variety at the cost of feeling completely immersed in the game.

    I think vehicles in particular would be going too far when it comes to cross era. Having a droid tank on yavin 4 and hoth would just seem too out of place. A lot moreso than any of the heroes from other other era's. It's a sliding scale and they've landed at a good point.

    I completely disagree, your idea of having a droid tank on yavin 4 is the same idea most of us have of darth maul on yavin 4. If you add one for the excuse of gameplay despite knowing theres controversy then add everything to allow more gameplay despite the controversy, listen, if cross era heroes didnt happen at the beginning of the game, people wouldnt be asking for them to be cross era, (theres always gonna be one but the last majority of people that ask for it now on cs). The same way no ones asking for reinforcements or tanks to be cross era because no one expects it to be and the idea at first sounds silly, rebels shouldnt be coming up against commando droids the same way luke shouldnt be fighting on kashyyyk vs droids. I understand cross era was necessary at the beginning of the game and why they cant take away from ga now, but to be honest, despite what they say know, i really doubt if they had enough heroes for each era at launch there would have been cross era heroes. Only the ones that actually make sense eg old ben kenobi, yoda chewwie, you get the idea. If cross heroes is really the best way forward due to gameplay, it would be allowed on cs.

    Well I can get the feeling of immersion even if there are cross era heroes and nothing else, then I assume others feel the same because so many people also side with me on cross era heroes. So again, I say to you if people get that feeling of immersion currently, why does it have to be an all or nothing thing concerning variety of gameplay overall? Because it really seems they've kept immersive qualities whilst also not going too far with cross-era. At least for most people. This topic is far from being the number 1 talked about issue on the forums. So you have to concede that it's simply not a big issue for people in general and the average player doesn't feel removed from the game just because of a few heroes here and there. Also no one is asking for reinforcements and tanks cross era because hardly anyone cares that much about them relative to how much people care about heroes. They've chosen cross era heroes because people like them the most. Plus, if you think they would never of made cross era if they had enough heroes at the start, then why would they have dropped the 6k BP cost for cross era heroes in the last few months? They didn't have to do that at all, and almost no one was asking for it. They did it just because people like a whole bunch of different heroes and it's a game, so they can pick and choose how they wish based on what they think the community will enjoy the most.

    To that i say why not make it cross era heroes on cs? Im not here saying they should lock them now or anything, im just challenging the idea that if the argument is variety of gameplay then surely that would apply to everything. Therefore in my eyes to not include everything cross era and only heroes because of that reasoning, its double standards in my eyes making immersion a much better thing to listen to than this argument.

    I personally think a much better reasoning for keeping heroes cross era in ga is because they have been from the start so it would be taking something away from thenplayer base, the same way that if they add another enforcer for clones many would ask to remove the wookies but i think it would be a mistake to take away something that many have got used to and it is a game so we can turn a blind eye.

    I personally dont touch ga since cs because i prefer era lock personally and clone wars aswell. Ive only gone on ga lately to try get some milestones completed but then again thats not only down to cross era heroes(although its definitly a contributing factor).

    The thing is with me personally i wouldnt mind turning a blind eye to things that exist within the era, like wookies being places they shouldnt, even having characters like emperor palpatine who were alive at the time for clone wars or luke leia and han and lando being in st. I dont mind just cuz its not something that has canonically happened as long as its possible it could have happened. But obi wan vs kylo ren for example alongside stormtroopers just takes me out of it cuz that wouldnt be possible. Does that make sense?? So im not complety strict on it but there are things that take me out of it cuz even my imagination wouldnt be doing it since somecharacters were not alive at the same time.

    Well I personally believe CS would be way more popular if they did open up the other heroes to being involved. I'm not talking about just different era maps. I mean all heroes on all maps. I sure as hell don't touch that game mode because it is the absolute most repetitive and limited game mode in the game. 4 heroes for each side, and half of them are bad and boring heroes as well and it's the exact same ship phase thing in every match. I just can't stand it. Not even to mention the A.I.!! I think we'll have to agree to disagree. No way I'd be able to convince someone of my point of view if they play CS only I think.

    Yh i guess we will have to agree to disagree which is fine. Out of curiosity though, do you mainly play hero characters???? I feel like there might be a big correlation between people who play mostly heroes wanting cross era heroes, understandably since this is what they enjoy the most, and infantry based players trying to feel like they are in the world the most. This is just a theory though.

    Well I'm usually first to a hero yes, but that's because I'm one of the best trooper players on the server. So I'll get one if available, but even if I don't, I'm not too fussed and enjoy playing assault and specialist a lot. The only maps I get **** about if I miss a hero is any map that's good for boba. Couldn't really care less about light side to be honest.

    Fair enough, i think this might be the root of our disagreement, unless i have to for a milestone or on the very odd occasion, i will always pick a reinforcement over a hero (yes i put them under infantry umbrella even if most people dont). I guess because i dont care about hero gameplay variability since i dont play them i value the immersion over the actual variety of abilities avialable. But still i just hope u know, like i said im not here to try and get rid of cross era on ga, i was just challenging the idea that the argument for more gameplay variety should also apply to all the other things that add variety, in my eyes. I do think ga should stay cross era mainly because i think its unfair to take something away thats been there since the begining but, i do really hope they dont cross era in cs unless it makes sense for that specific character to be there. That would ruin my favourite gamemode. I guess its a good compromise to have one large game mode with and the other without to be honest.

    I see. Yeah I definately would always pick a hero over a reinforcement. Although sometimes I choose specialist over heroes when playing light side sniper maps. If they never add cross era to CS, the least they should do is add maps from other era's. I just hate that mode because of lack of variety at the moment. I know it's only a new game mode. But how hard would it of been to convert more maps from other era's. I mean all they did for all the current maps, except geonosis, was just rip off the GA ones and put bits of rubble around. Surely that's not too difficult to do for most of the other maps. Yavin 4, endor and hoth seem so easy to turn into CS maps. Just cut out the first phase map section of all of them and put 5 points all around and steal the star destroyer and rebel capital ship designs from the campaign and that's that.

    Totally agree, cs can become tedious after a while of playing due to a lack of maps but i just greatly prefer the gameplay on it. As an infantry player i also prefer this cuz i love both commando droid and droideka, not the biggest fan of the arc trooper but i still like the fact its in there, a lot of people seam to enjoy it. Felucia will be a breath of fresh air and then i reckon we will move onto st maps getting ported with a new one from episode 9 in the new year.

    Would you see heroes as cross era if they were alive at the time of the era despite not being heavily visible in that era, imagine lets say if we had for example ahsoka added, that would make every hero, apart from anakin, cross era into the OT era and i qould be fine with this because the immersion would be there so the light side would only lose anakin. What would you say to that? Purely curiosity

    I just wish the dev team was bigger and could pump out seemingly easy content a lot quicker. OT and ST maps in CS would be so good. I'd actually start playing it every now and then if they added those era's.

    Hmmm, I didn't follow the second half of the second paragraph that well coz I am not completely familiar with ahsoka and what era's she spans. But as long as they appear in the movies or animated series, then I'd say only then would they be considered to be apart of an era. Like perhaps Han was born and alive during PT, but I don't think he should be considered part of that era. Also I never really understood why Anakin was made to be 4k points in GA OT maps. Like yeah he was Anakin again for like 1 minute at the end of ROTJ, but he was just a dying old man and in the original movie wasn't even a young force ghost. I thought that was a stretch to put him as 4k BP on those maps.

    Yh i totally agree, they could benefit so much from a bigger dev team, i guess they just dont make enough money off the game which is a real shame cuz i love it.

    I agree on the heroes and ahsoka spans cw and ot, no confirmation on st but she isnt dead yet so definitly could span into that aswell. I wouldnt mind this for of cross era

    Well the game did make over a billion dollars for them. Surely that's enough for them to put some of that money back into it instead of just giving it to other development projects.

    I suppose maul could be considered OT as well, because in SOLO they clearly allude to him still having a significant influence on some areas of the galaxy during the movie and that movie would have to be considered to be extremely close to OT to the point where any characters in it are classed as that era as well.

    Yh darth maul appears in rebels alot and dies in a final fight with obi wan on tattoine so yh i would consider him ot. I would really like them to introduce cross era skins for the immersivness to be honest

    Do you mean lock the skins of heroes to their era? Also what is rebels?

    Naa i wouldnt say lock them, but allow players that like the immersion to pick it so it makes more sense visually, like allow the option for that bigger step towards more immersion. And rebels is a show that takes place at the very begining of ot era. Theres a couple good episodes tbf, i wouldnt class the show anywhere near as good as clone wars. You do have ahsoka vs darth vader though which is quite big, theres a form of time travel in it. I think that episode is the world between worlds. There is ahsoka vs darth maul, darth maul vs obi wan for last time. Have a look on youtube.

    Ohhh I remember seeing that fight between them. I never liked the look of that animation of vader though. Hey do you know why people seem to be so down on the mandalorean show? It seems like a good idea for a show, but I've seen a lot of comments talking trash on it.

    Yh i wsnt the biggest fan of the show but there are some important moments in it that every star wars fan should see. I dont see why people are hating on it when we dont even have a trailer for it, barely had any footage. I think its going to be absolutly amazing. Surprisingly enough, episode 9 is the thing im least excited about coming.

    Exactly. I don't get the hate for the mandalorean. I think it's a great idea for a show and can't believe it's taken this long for a live action star wars series to be honest.

    I'm not excited for episode 9 at all. Episode 7 was just a copy of a new hope basically and 8 was the absolute worst star wars ever made by a mile. Seems unlikely they can come back from that with JJ Abrams as director. I mean he's good at making quite good sci-fi movies, but he's just never quite made a movie that I would call truly great. Nothing on the level of James Cameron or Steven Spielberg type blockbusters. Closest he's ever come to a really great movie was star trek into darkness. I just doubt he can replicate anything similar to that coming from the position which that **** rain johnson left the franchise in.

    Ever since the disney took over star wars, its lacked imagination, the sequel trilogy could have been amazing but they tried to recreate the originals in their own way.

    Yep. Hollywood in general is lacking imagination in the movies lately. It's all in the TV shows now. Which is fine I guess. Just wish more of it at least stayed with star wars.

    This is why the st has been awful.

    We'd have been better off with an indy studio.

    It's so frustrating to see it gone so wrong. The SFX all suck and seem so unrealistic. They're just living off the nostalgia of what great directors did decades ago. Jurassic world sucks as well. That entire industry is to blame, and also the people that support those movies when they come out. I sure as hell ain't seeing any star wars anymore because I've chosen to boycott them for the filth they pump out.

    They forgot that the ST needed a credible villain and a reason to be invested in Rey's story.

    The only reason I want to see 9 is to see how bad they botch bringing Palps back from the dead.

    Yeah that's right, kylo could of been so much greater than what he was. No sulking and whiney little boy stuff that he did would of been a start. Vader always had every single person on earth's attention because people knew if they ever met him in real life, he would not only physically intimidate them but was also mentally unbreakable because he was so focused on his goals. Whereas kylo had the potential to be similar to that or at least he have some great mystery about him. Except we got some weak minded little boy.

    The problem with Kylo, is that he is actually the only good character in the ST, but even he isn’t great compared to the rest of Star Wars characters
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    The way people twist logic to play their favorite heroes is just amazing. It's time to Era lock. Get over it.

    They just need to leave ga cross era and add all eras to cs keeping everything era locked and everyone has an option.

    I could agree with that.

    I would also agree. It's mostly OT and ST I want to play without PT heroes.
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