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1) Luke needs to be nerfed, some of you say both his attack speed and damage, some damage only(?) - because he can't hit as strong as Vader and have fast swings (this argument is understandable)
2) Meanwhile Anakin is EXACTLY that but you propose to BUFF him - he deals even more damage - more than Vader and Luke (we don't know proper numbers when it comes to this new Luke's starcard), has super fast swing speed and good combo. And you propose tu buff him but nerf Luke cause ROLES (roles went to hell when they decided to give Maul and Yoda block but k.)
3) That means Luke must be weaker than Anakin cause Anakin was supposed to be offensive hero and Luke h&r therefore HE MUST BE WEAKER! (lol)
4) You say about buffing Luke's force powers and maybe health regen (I was talking about it for months, way before those buffs, but some of you were saying, right after they buffed his damage to 120 - nah, he's fine). Now when they buffed Luke in a different way and everyones wants to nerf him and buff his force powers.
5) You keep saying that Luke is better than Anakin like it was some kind of universal truth when it's highly subjective and debatable
6) Boomerkills said in different topic about Anakin - buff passionate strike - either its speed or give him knockdown, reduce his stamina regen delay, buff Heroic Might to 250 (sic!), buff his health card do 150 and buff retribution cause "for an ultimate" it's VERY underwhelming. UNDERWHELMING.
No Jedi/Sith has ultimate ability, but poor Anakin - he is the only one who has it but it's UNDERWHELMING. UNDERWHELMING.
POOR Ani
Yes, all of us have favourites characters and are more or less biased but you guys are ridiculous.
Just stop man. You clearly don't get it. The reason we got yoda & boba fett is because people are so blinded by their love of certain characters they just want endless buff. He's a hit & run hero so why is he good at everything? Just like yoda nothing but strengths & only 1 weakness. The fawning over luke is crazy
You're obsesed with roles that went down to hell a long time ago. You're fine with them cause Anakin's role was to be superior.
Luke's recent swing buffs were unnecesary. It just promotes more mindless spam. All he needed was an ability dmg buff against villains. He was already top tier pick in GA due to his mobility and his push one shooting troopers.
Anakin all needs is animation increase and improved tracking of PS. Oh and his Retribution is kinda bugged now. I rarely use it because it has a tendency to be glitchy most of the time causing you to die more often.
In short, revert Luke's swing speed and buff his ability dmg against villains and improve PS of Anakin. Thats it.
If roles went to hell a long time ago why is Obi-Wan just a defensive hero, why is maul still hit & run, why is dueling the only thing dooku has, why was anakin nerfed because he had to many roles, why is Finn still a support hero & not a dps like han 🤔 you keep missing the point man I made this post not because I give a damn about luke being more powerful than anakin(he is) but because Luke is imo being made exactly like anakin losing all uniqueness he has & Anakin in turn has lost his. Omg just stop replying to my post dude
That stupid slow swirl needs a buff too lol.
Maul got block and saber throw buff - that make him pretty good at everything (so yea, his h&r role isn't that clear anymore but he still does fine as such). Finn got damage buff recently. Yoda isn't solely supporting anymore cause they buffed him all around (too much imo) and nerfed his presence a little bit. You can arguue about Dooku and Obi though, but I think this is just lack of consistency from Dice.
Anakin was GOD at everything (that was his real 'role' I suppose - being chosen one -which is stupid for a online game) now he's just GOOD at everything yet some of you want him buffed (some even more than PS buff). Almost every hero is getting buffed making roles fade more and more. Anakin has 4 abilities which is factually imbalanced but for some reason it's ok.
Luke was designed as h&r 2 freaking years ago yet he had a swing speed of a Vader not Maul. They clearly failed in that and now they are making him all around (which is not bad, for sure better than making him fake h&r).
@NomiSunstrider I could agree with you but reversing his swing speed to Vader's level isn't ok. I would suggest nerfing his damage to 120 or keeping it as it is and nerfing speed A LITTLE BIT - to Maul's level, not Vader's.
At the end of a day I don't really care if Luke is going to be h&r or all around. I don't share this obsession of roles made hears ago. I only care about him being very good as he should be. If Anakin can be good at everything he could be too. Just because someone was designed to be God doesn't mean he must be God. It's not healthy nor balanced.
Just because Luke was designed as h&r doesn't mean he has to stay that way.
At least he has some chances against Vader now ;v
Every time you post you just tell me you don't have a clue what I'm talking about. Lol maul is not good at everything his blocking stamina sucks he's not a defensive hero at all. Lol Finn got a damage buff 🤣🤣🤣🤣 so he's han solo now? You know Finn still can't compete with han at all right. Did you just say anakin is good at everything?? He has the worst defensive stamina in the game yet he doesn't have a rush like yoda & maul that can make up for it, his stamina regen is almost the worst in the game with vader being the only person below him by mere seconds yet his son who will do 150 damage per swing has better stamina & stamina regen, his strike is one of the most useless abilities in the game the only thing anakin is good at is swinging & deflections & dodging in HvV keyword is HvV.
Do you know why he had vaders swing speed was because that's how they swung in a new hope! You say he's a hit & run hero who had a swing speed of vader yet here you are saying bump roles & now he can do more damage than vader all while swinging faster. You are so biased you don't even see it. Lol why should he be very good could you want him to be? He's done nothing in canon & is far from the greatest jedi.
Lastly, no one outside of yoda is beating Vader in any type of confrontation of equal skill.
You do know darth Vader is anakin & is still the most superior hero in the game outside of yoda yes? Ugh idc about his role to be superior good god almighty that was never his role in the 1st place. You & almost everyone on this post had misinterpreted the entire freaking post & made it about you're just made anakin blase blah.
There isn't that much difference in hero abilities, just the same ones tweaked a little bit from hero to hero.
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That's what I was saying, but nobody wanted to listen, thanks. I mentioned that just because the devs said something once, doesn't mean it still (or ever did) hold any weight. Didn't the devs once say a droideka was a crashed speeder, basically "These are not the droids you're looking for"? *waves hand*
The devs' (or their marketing folks') narrative suits whatever they have already decided to do. Once they decided to change Luke, he was no longer a hit and run character. That description just suited their decision to make him weaksauce, because Rey was the big dog at the time. I swear, some folks put more stock in what the devs say than the devs do themselves.
I meant to ask you guys what the other characters' other official "roles" were supposed to be, LOL. There aren't any, IIRC (edit: I see now TCA has invented some). That Luke stuff was just something they made up on the spot because it was convenient. They may say "offensive character" or "defensive character", but even that is kinda silly since everybody does both.
Clinging to something the devs said and trying to hold them to it, as I believe Teddy Roosevelt once said, "is like nailing currant jelly to a wall". Believe me, I've tried.
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What is your obsession with stats? If you asked the average person how the two characters were similar, they would likely say they aren't at all. Anakin has four abilities. FOUR ABILITIES.
Somehow you're completely blind to the main features of the characters, their abilities. Yet, I bet if they gave Luke a fourth ability, you would stroke out and die.
It's like you have hit and run logic.
Like your weird preoccupation with "roles", it only shows up when you think it's advantageous to your argument.
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He’s nowhere close to highest damage among lightsaber heroes. Yoda is such a better defensive hero. Anakin can swing as fast as Luke does. REY has the best stamina regen.
Anakin has more health, more damage, an ability (actually two) that makes him near invulnerable, and better zone control with his abilities.
If you have a problem with how Anakin has been dealt with, simply say it. Don’t try to neuter another hero because Anakin got that treatment.
Which is what I've been saying all along.
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The future man the future. luke does the same damage as anakin yes. Yes he does. Both do 130. Come the end of the month he will do most likely the same amount of damage as anakin & even Darth Vader. Both are better than Obi-Wan at defense & are still top tier turtles. Luke is the best swinger in the game. Both have 1 second stamina regen. 50 health not that much( tenacious is a useless card & is hardly ran on any player) more damage off of what 1 move? & retribution gets him melted
Lol I think any who's a Luke main has taking this to a whole nother place. No one is saying nerf Luke. I was making a OBSERVATION on Luke's transformation of a hit & run hero to what i believe is just another copy paste hero. It's like every stan said "he's talking about luke & why he gets all these buffs. It must means he wants him nerfed" judging from my post history if i wanted to make a post about anakin I would have made a post about anakin
Average player. You mean like the people who want ragdoll immunity, stun immunity etc. The average playerbase is why we have boba & Yoda
2 abilities
Nah luke should have astral projection like in the movies & once he disappears he says "see you round kid"
Idk why you think I hate Luke when he's one of my most used heroes
You need to recheck your stats because they’re wrong. Anakin’s Lightsaber damage is 140/180 without massive strikes, and 160/200 with massive strikes. Luke’s lightsaber damage is 130/160.
They’ve already said they’re done with Luke and Yoda.
Then say Obi Wan needs to be better, not imply Luke needs to be worse.
She also has better stamina regen speed, but who cares? Similarly, Obi Wan has the same stamina delay and regen speed as Luke, but Obi Wan can block much more than Luke.
If someone doesn’t use Tenacious, they’re a fool. Therefore, Ani has 150 more health than Luke.
Anakin’s Heroic Might is better than Luke’s Repulse. It has far more range and it makes him near invulnerable.
Anakin’s pull is better than Luke’s push. It has far more range and it’s much more beneficial to pull an enemy to you and possibly your team than to push them away. If you’re going to say luke can push off the map, then ani can pull off the map.
You cannot dodge Retribution, it deals 200+ damage, and it has a large radius. He’s also 90% immune while in the animation. If you think it doesn’t give the immunity long enough after the animation, welcome to Kenobi’s All Out Push.
Anakin is not weak. Luke is not overpowered.
Sorry, no. When I say "average player", I actually mean "any human with eyeballs". You're over-complicating it, as you tend to try and do when you're confronted with logical reasoning.
I already said I know you don't hate Luke, at least when it's not somebody else playing him. You're just using his example as a means to an end. Also, you accusing anyone else of fanboying is the very pinnacle of irony.
No, you're just really bad at being subtle. I just made the post something that it actually is, which is you making it clear that you want Anakin buffed, and now you can't just come out and say it because you keep denying it.
Let me take you at your word though and say to the devs, on your behalf "There's no need to buff Anakin, because @Thechosen1_anakin is not asking for you to. Anakin's fine as he is. Also Luke....he's not asking you to nerf him either. Thank you for your time."
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They nerfed Anakin's base damage to 130/170, and massive strikes at the same time (150/190). He does an extra 40 from behind by the way, not 30
Ah. I knew Anakin did an extra +40 from behind, but I mistyped. I didn’t know they nerfed his base damage to 130. Was this a recent change?
It was done awhile back, maybe his second to last nerf or so. Definitely not recently.
EDIT - His lightsaber damage was nerfed in the time of the Giants above Kachiro update.
Omg you seem to have also missed the point I don't think Luke is overpowered at all. Y'all really are killing you & all the others are making a simple observation turn into a lukes not op luke needed buffs god almighty. No one is saying nerf Luke I haven't implied that at all. I haven't said buff anakin( I'm pretty sure I've made enough)
Tenacious- is a useless card all saber heroes kill him in 7 swings with & without the card. You're equipping it when it's not changing how many hits you are killed in lol. I mean no one who really mains him uses this card really tenacious 😐 over raw strength & massive strikes in HvV. Any ways personal preference I find it stupid anyone would use that card in any mode & you find it stupid someone wouldn't. It is stupid though that someone would use that over his better cards but whatever. 750 to 800 no that big. Also really it's stupid? When we did 1v1s I didn't have that card at all & I did well 😞
Equip both repulse cards the difference isn't that much. Anakin cannot activate HM if hit luke however can lol.
Pull- honestly depends on which map you're on tbh whether it's better than push. Both can be beneficial to the team.
You can block:/
Again THIS IS NOT A LUKE IS BETTER THAN ANAKIN PLEASE NERF POST. Observation I don't know what you want me to say. I don't think Luke is overpowered. Unnecessary swing speed increase yes. Overpowered no.
Who said Anakin was weak? But since you brought it up he's definitely weak compared to Vader. Still strong but he's pretty weak when compared to the best saber hero on the ds.
Should be like rey's
@Landeaux2 It's cool bro I don't take it serious just discussing on a discussion forum. Yes I have them in the top 3 as well. There's a clear difference between yoda & anakin(3rd best) will be more apparent next update. I'm not implying anything lol. I don't want Luke nerf... well his stun locking swings but, you & many others have taken this the wroooooooooonggggggggggg way. I have focused on the heroes & soon obi-wan will be a top tier hero.. I hope.
Jesus Christ dude, something tells me you're very, very young ;v
No one said Finn is equal to Han...
I think there is just certain trend to fade those previously made roles. Hence Maul getting block, hence yoda getting block and swing buffs, hence finn getting dmg buff, hence Luke etc. They will probably do sth about Obi Wan and Dooku. Who cares about something they stated 2 years ago, balance is all that matters.
Yes Anakin is good at everything. He has good stats, great starcards, cc abilities which make him the best in GA/CS, he's slightly slower than Luke and have 4 abilities. Balanced hero. Wait, what? Not balanced cause 4 abilities, but whatever. I'm fine with it.
"Do you know why he had vaders swing speed was because that's how they swung in a new hope" what xD.
Lore? You talk about lore? Yea right, I forgot Luke was the fastest running Jedi of all time!
BTW If you care so much about lore - that useless Anakin move is lore accurate cause in Prequels they do A LOT of ridiculous, useless swings like that. Those fights are more like capoeira, not real combat.
"You say he's a hit & run hero who had a swing speed of vader yet here you are saying bump roles & now he can do more damage than vader all while swinging faster." - Dude, relax and think again. You want Luke to be H&R yet you say his swing speed was ok and they should reverse that so his swings are slow again. So it's fine for h&r hero to have swing speed of a slow TANK like Vader? It makes more sense to nerf Luke's damage but he SHOULD be able to swing fast, just like Maul (H&R hero) or Rey/Anakin do. Geez.
And I don't want him to do more dmg than Vader. Vader should be the only one with 150 dmg per hit. I'm just laughing at you cause you want to nerf Luke swings yet you don't complain Anakin both deals more damage AND has faster swings than Vader. But it's alright cause he is your favourite and has 'offensive hero' description on main site of the game lol.
You said I'm biased, and you might be right cause we all are. Meanwhile you're literally the most biased guy on this forum.
I'm out dude. Go make 3 more buff passionate strike/Anakin needs tweaks threads. Have fun while doing it.
See you around.
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Darth Maul: "Who is supervising the search for the Gungan cities?" Nute Gunray: "Commander OOM-Nine." Darth Maul: "A droid. The predecessor of your inept B-Ones." Rune Haako: "A superior droid, Lord Maul. Viceroy Gunray's personal guard."
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OT heroes swung slower but dealt more damage which was a nice reflection of the two trilogies. It's been forgotten though over the past 2 years but I liked it when it came out
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OOM-9 Canonical Material Check-List:
William Shakespeare's The Phantom of Menace: Star Wars Part the First
Ultimate Star Wars (Reference Guide)
Star Wars: On the Front Lines (Reference Guide)
Darth Maul: "Who is supervising the search for the Gungan cities?" Nute Gunray: "Commander OOM-Nine." Darth Maul: "A droid. The predecessor of your inept B-Ones." Rune Haako: "A superior droid, Lord Maul. Viceroy Gunray's personal guard."
https://battlefront-forums.ea.com/discussion/76756/the-oom-9-thread-9-9-the-phantom-droid/p1
Lol. You know... I actually thought you were the other Anakin guy - XAnakin93
Although I did notice that "you" had become a more coherent writer
Anyway sorry to get you confused with XAnakin93 - I know you are a good enough player that you have every right to have a critical opinion - I still don't agree
Anakin and Luke have very different feels to me. Luke is a speed demon hitting from all angles and has always been my favorite saber hero in the game - even when he was a feather weight hitter. Anakin is much more solid and planted and powerful, but is also very quick - in a more fluid and local way. I don't feel like I'm playing slightly modified version of the same character any more than I do with other saber characters. I also don't experience Luke as better than Anakin. If I need to take on an entire squad on my own (due to crappy teammates), Anakin is the one. And if I want to guarantee I get the highest score possible with a saber, Anakin is going to be the one (not that I tend to play for score).
My biggest gripes in the game right now are: Obi needing major tweaks and generally being dull/annoying, hating that Phasma's droid camping is in the game and wishing that ability was completely changed out, Dooku being majorly bugged and needing some tweaks, and the super glitchy floaty gameplay in general. I also think there are a bunch of other heroes that need attention more than Anakin and Luke - to me they are really in a good place compared to other aspects of the game
You mean like taller?
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Agreed. However those alone do not make up for his weaknesses that were added due to so many nerfs and do not surpass Luke when comparing their effectiveness in battle. How Anakin got dealt with is an entirely different topic and I firmly believe both characters were dealt with poorly. I'm sure the devs thought they were giving us what we want but no genuinely good player wants flash running around one hitting with almost every touch. Just like I'm sure a lot of us don't want a offensively marketed hero to suck at his intended purpose. Which he does. A nerf to Luke's swing speed to match Rey's or Maul's and a nerf to his damage to 120 would make him perfect. Nobody could complain. A buff to Anakin giving him at the very least better attack stamina and better stamina recharge, damage buff of at least 250 (maybe even 180 max to heroes, 250 to infantry), and a buff to passionate strike, and this debate would end. Giving Anakin the ability to one hit a heavy is not going to inherently turn him into some omnipotent god. Just like Luke wouldn't be turned into a garbage tier hero. People need to learn to objectively observe this game for what it is and understand that changes like these, especially if the devs are going to characterize them by archetype, are necessary. And while I'm not calling anyone out, @Thechosen1_anakin seems to be the only other person that understands this. I want Anakin to go back to his state that he was in before he was nerfed to the ground but I realize most people would disagree, so I have to settle on something reasonable. i don't want Luke to be the flash running around insta killing everyone before he gets a scratch but I also don't want him to be useless. So a few nerfs to him would give him a good middle ground as a true duck and weave, hit and run character. Just like a few buffs to Anakin will make him a on the frontline leader (which if we're going to get lore involved, Anakin's role is the front line. Anyone can say what they want but he belongs there). Vader is a frontline leader and he's awesome. Anyone that doesn't play Vader to just go all in is a fool because that's where he shines. Anakin doesn't shine sitting back waiting for his abilities to cool down, pop his head out and use them, then run away. But there's a whole other side to this. Buffing Anakin could consequently mean buffing Villains to check that Anakin can be killed without it requiring a full team and a nuke. For instance what if Dooku were given an AOE Expose Weakness and a mobile cast for his lighting with an extended reach? I'm not saying this is what should happen, but dang if that wouldn't drastically improve his gameplay fluidity. Thus giving Anakin a bigger threat. And a quick note, for the people who are saying Anakin is still OP in large scale gamemodes must only be playing CS because in GA, he's most definitely not. When you're comparing Anakin to Obi-Wan and Chewie in a large scale gamemode, OBVIOUSLY Anakin is going to look better. The only one to outclass him is Yoda, yet nobody cares to mention how OP he is considering it's just about first nerf Anakin level. Yet I don't see many people complaining. But put Anakin in GA, Luke, Yoda, and even Rey are better picks at being aggressive and doing what Anakin is supposed to be doing. Regardless, there are some changes that need to be made to both Anakin and Luke and all the heroes honestly. But giving Luke the power to do literally everything in the game is incredibly unbalanced.
Ani has no gap closer? lol
I agree with the attacking stamina for Anakin. He is supposed to constantly attack, but Grievous is way better in it(combined with abilities).
I personally don’t see that yoda is op in HvV, but I can very well image that he is a problem for GA/CS.
They are not similar, no matter how many times you go over the stats. Repulse doesn't have the same area of effect as Heroic Might. Anakin is a leader of troops, Luke is more of a kill one and onto the next, always keep moving. Speed demon.
If you're not patient with Anakin, you're going to have a bad time. On the original post you said Anakin was now a bland hero... (probably because he can't oneshot everyone and he is no longer a Battlefront GOD) no, that's not right at all. I have much more trouble with Anakins than I do Lukes. Because in essence, he's still good. You're just bad with him.
Pre-nerf anakin was actually balanced in HvV it was GA that was the problem. There's not a damn thing anakin can do that i cant do with Luke.
Lol I can't do well with him 🤣🤣🤣
I agree he needs some buffs but dude, cmon. Prenerf Anakin could one hit enite teams in HvV by absorbing damage with HM at first and retribution was also insanely OP. That said I'd like him to be able to get back the ability to absorb damage and deal it back with HM but it needs to be capped.
Anakin after the second nerf I mean
This after the final nerf & that's a 5
If only people would listen. Smh