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This is not a direct follow up from the older ones, different company and they have said multiple times they aren’t looking to repeat those games. Again, STAR WARS is hero centric, BATTLEFIELD would be a better argument for infantry centric.
Lost me at you saying some of them weren’t hero’s. Han Chewie and leia not hero’s 😂
Also isn’t it ironic that when we were having the “too much CW content” discussion you were some of the few people that stated what they did in previous games didn’t matter, when comparing the amount of CW content. But now when it fits your narrative it matters what was in older games regarding trooper content? Strange
Well said. I would prefer era lock for heroes but even limiting their number overall would make the game much more enjoyable. HvV is for hero play. The large scale gamemodes should still have heroes but not the way they are now.
Exactly! That's the point. They used battlefront to make money off the battlefront OG fans. Different company + different theme = different series name. Not the game I bought it for personally.
I did
Pirate of the Knights of Gareth
I was naive and thought they would release the game with decent offline gameplay...
You have no idea what the majority or minority are. However, I'd be willing to wager that the majority of people prefer hero play anyway. Blame the devs for wrecking HvV, leaving your precious trooper modes as the only way for hero players to enjoy a mode with an actual objective.
If they put more effort into providing a variety of hero modes for the folks who want to play with them, you wouldn't have so many "herolords" playing Dynasty Warriors with your emotions.
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Find me in HvV, pushing people off of stuff and watching them fall, like a cat.
You have looked back. You’re on a forum dedicated to the game lol.
The forums are the endgame.
Do they epitomize your definition of "hero"? If so, I think you have a fairly broad connotation. Like I said, I could easily throw in Mr. Binks in to your Hero-classification.
Ur silly. Jar jar and leia are the same?
🤔 I'm not sure why you don't. Thanks to Han, Luke wasn't killed by Vader during the Trench Run and was able to destroy the Death Star. Thanks to Han, Luke didn't freeze to death on Hoth.
That's just an example.
What do you define as Hero?
Great - I was hoping you would go there. Why does Han, then get extra health, extra weaponry in BF2? Biggs, by the way, ALSO saved Luke from death PRIOR to the Trench Run. Is he not a hero? How about Porkins? Red Leader? (He told Luke to "git to it" rather than piddle around with other stuff.) Point is - there are ordinary troopers doing extraordinary, heroic things all over the Star Wars saga. How about the dudes who stole an Imperial Lamba Class Shuttle for Han and Leia to use on their trip to Endor? Someone had to do that. How about all those Bothans? No love for Wedge Antilles, I guess. 🤔
And yet, Finn - ordinary First Order Trooper - gets a phenomenal blaster. Dead Eye shooting skills (though he has problems with star fighter gunnery in the films). And fantastic health compared to other troopers. Even though, I believe it was someone from his own squadron that opened a can of whooop-_ss on him at Maz's castle. He came from the same squadron (Nines, was it? I may have to check on Wookiepeedia) yet was 1-shot killed by Chewie's XBow. Guess he didn't have heroic health that Finn is given in BF2. Finn also gets to buff up others and spam in the interlinks with "I think I see how this is done".
How are Finn, Bossk, Boba, Phasma, Han, Leia, & Iden given super-human, heroic health in BF2?
And make sure you absolutely differentiate them from JarJar. 👍
"i hate heroes i want battlefield but in star Wars and everybody who says otherwise is wrong, dumb and not a real Star Wars Fan"
Dude if i didnt know any better i would say youre the current president of the United States of America cause thats about the Niveau of your argumentation.
Now to proceed to flame me how i am wrong and you are the only one right^^
On a sidenote: Remember Battlefront2 2005? Where a Hero could kill a tank in 5 swings, one shot every trooper except the special Unit with more health and the force sprints and jumps were incredidbly high?
Or the fact that they had HoK from the beginning? I loved that Game and i love this one
Yes but there were never 8 heroes in BF2005. One per side was the norm.
Most hero mains tend to forget that little tidbit of information.
I dont care about the theme of new content... i care about GAMEPLAY and proper resembling of the name Battlefront. So far DICE hasnt created a good and worthy Battlefront game. 2015 one was close, 2017 one is a desaster
I still wanna see a true proper new Battlefront game in my life.
I forgot to mention that yes.My apologies.
I dont really play GA so cant really speak on that but in CS two Heroes per side seem fair at least in my opinion.
My intention with the reference to BF2 2005 was rather to show that heroes back then were even stronger
Because i care about the Battlefront brand? I want a proper Battlefront game?
Most of you younger players dont seem to understand us old players...
It’s like in the 15 game which I though was great, heroes were powerful yet having only one kept the game balanced. I personally wish they would have kept that formula.
you think BF15 was great? Oh boi. Maybe in regards of Heroes in Big Modes but in every other aspect it was disgusting how EA ruined Dices Game.
4 Maps at launch for 60 Bucks and 50 Bucks to get like 4 Maps more so after 110 bucks you had less Maps then in BF17.
Dont get me wrong i have around 300 hours in BF15 but objectively this Game was only good in terms of Graphics, Atmosphere and immersion.
It was in so many ways unfinished at release and still after release had some big issues (im sorry but the Power up system was *****, i like the current system with the Battle Points a lot more, since you have to actually play to get to Reinforcements, Tanks and Heroes, instead of just Camping the Hero Power Up spawns), it had only one Era which is ... well its bad at least imo.
Walker Assault is basically the same Linear Game Mode as is Galactic Assault but Galactiv Assault is much more diverse since it plays out quite different on each while WA played out the same on every Map(i still enjoyed it though)
BF15 became a good Game after youd spent 110 Bucks and about 1,5 years after release and i think the nostalgia some people here hold for this Game is ignorance of the huge problems that Game had.
Oh god there i go rambling again... i was thinking of making an in depth breakdown comparison of BF15 and BF17 and post it. But its not worth cause im not gonna change anyones opinion.
I personally enjoy BF17 a lot more then BF15 but thats my opinion and if you think its the other way around feel free to feel so.
But i cant stand the argumentation of some people with obvious Nostalgia goggles on that just want to trash this Game disregarding Facts. This Game is far from perfect but its also far from the mess people make it out to be.
Sorry for the rant but i had to blow off some steam
Cheers
Wat?
BF2015 launched with 4 PLANETS not Maps...
The PAID DLC was worth its money. I got a buckload of new weapons and overall the post launch DLC wasnt just a hero here and a hero there...
I got a lot of maps for my money. Cant say the same for Mediocrefront 2: Heroes Unleashed
You had 4 maps for the "relevant" modes. Since its a discussion about GA and CS i ignored the smaller modes in my argumentation.
And if its worth it is subjective.
Yes you got new weapons(which id love to have in this Game)
But BF17 started with almost triple the amount of maps or "planets" and youre getting new maps and heroes for free(this was official even before the lootbox desaster).
So the only thing BF15 has as advantage is more weapons
And im sorry paying almost double the price for still less maps, less heroes but more weapons doesnt seem that good for me.
Sidenote: the maps were already in the Datafiles and were deliberatly held back to have a paid dlc. The new Maps in BF17 were as far as i now developed after launch. Not sure on that last one feel free to correct me
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Yes I did actually, loved it, imo it trumps this game on almost every level. It had fewer maps but they were miles better than what we have now. Imo 80% if this games maps are awful, meaning they feel more like work that fun. This game is bad by design though. The only decent small mode are HvV and a copy/paste extraction from 15. I hear SA is great but is has been ignored.
As for the lack of content we had Cargo, DropZone, Hero Hunt, HvV, Droid Run, Extraction, Sabotage, Walker Assualt, Turning Point, SA, and Supremacy. Then add in the companion app along with detailed stats, private matches, more skins, Hutt contracts, better weapons, more customization, it’s no comparison imo and this game by comparison feels like a generic knockoff. I guess some liked the below average campaign though.
As to the token system it was sorta lame but fair, it was miles better that the bp systen that any scrub can exploit. Imo Starwars is nostalgia, we’re talking about something from the 70’s, 80’s then again through the 2000’s. I still play 2 a little but only because it’s SW. To each their own, we’ll have to agree to disagree and I fully respect your opinion
Cheers.
Nice to see some manners here^^
Yea well to each their own. Which maps you like more is entirely subjective(im just gonna assume youre not a professional designer of sorts cause i sure as ***** aint).
I think the Maps in BF17 are more diverse and feel more unique but if you feel different thats up to you.
I personally hated the token system as it was imo easier to exploit once you knew the spawns. The BP system is in theory fairer by default but some Star Cards and ingame Mechanics make it abusable id agree on that.
I never really played the smaller modes neither in BF15 nor BF17 so i cant comment on that, and yea i agree the Hutt contracts were nice and to be fair most of the DLC content was quite good, it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth that this content shouldve have been in the Game from the start and not be extra for 50 Bucks(more so since the release of BF was pretty much underwhelming in terms of content) and id never had bought the season pass (but i got lucky and won one in our local Media Outlet so yay for me).
I guess it comes down to preference and the fact that BF17 has more eras to offer (im a prequel Kid) makes it even better in my eyes but i can see the merit of BF15(as i said i have my fair share of hours in it).
Cheers
See I like when two people can quell their differences and meet an understanding
There goes all your credibility. The smaller modes aren't irrelevant just because you don't care about them. Cargo was and still is one of the most popular game modes.
Re: nostalgia, it's not nostalgia for some members, as they're still playing BF15.
I don't get why you guys obsess over eras 24/7. The era dictates the skin over the gameplay. I care more about gameplay than the skins being used. I'd play on any era, so long as the gameplay is good.
Yeah, all those damned Force users running around really annoy people. I’m guessing the go to basketball games and complain that the players are moving around too much.
THIS^^ Thats why im not on the "they only do CW" content. I dont care about that. I want gameplay changes and improvements. I want a fun new Battlefront game, not a game that has a 90% focus on heroes.. be it events or balance patches
https://battlefront-forums.ea.com/discussion/143364/this-could-be-a-nice-addition-to-cs#latest
Yeah, so I'm not entirely sure what you want from me here 🤷🏼♂️
Biggs / Porkins / Nines. All Heroes maybe?
I mean the term is pretty subjective. Clearly Jar Jar is your Hero.
However, for the purpose of multimedia, the creator usually chooses the Heroes and Villains for us...
Sure, ordinary soldiers doing heroic things each scene. However, compare the runtime of their appearances with that of the Heroes and you'll see why we have who we have.
I think your mixing some things up. I never saud they are irrelevant but that they are irrelevant to me since i dont or just occassionally play them and therefore cant form an opinion on them.
And since the subject of this discussion were heroes i focused on the 2 largescale mode which include heroes which i think i made rather clear.
So either A you misunderstood me and therefore feel provoked that i find your favorite modes irrelavant.
If thats the case im sorry that wasnt my intention.
Or B you purposefully misread my comment to discredit my entire argumentation based on an interpretation that fits your narrative.
Either way i dont see how it takes away the credibility of my arguments which i think ive presented in a neutral and argumentative way.
And since youre making a point without basis(cargo to be one lf the more popular Gamesmodes) i have to assume its the latter.
I know for a fact that in BF15 Supremacy,Turning Point and Walker Assault were the most played modes since in every battlefield,battlefront etc games the largescale modes hold the most players and are for the majority the ones that provide the most fun.
Thats why i based my argumentation around them and not because i "hate"smaller modes.
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If you believe Finn & Han are heroes, than you also must conclude JarJar Binks is a hero.
If you believe Finn, Han, Leia, Chewie, Phasma, Iden are deserved of an abundance of health, firepower, and special abilities, than so should my Base-4 Trooper. Because there is NO DIFFERENCE.
That is what is so super annoying to me about how BF2 is pitching "Heroes". Even for those who espouse constantly for more Clone Wars' stuff, do they not realize how many super-human heroes---jedi---were 1-shot-killed by their former, average base-4 trooper teammates? Did Lucas not get the memo? That jedi get damage reduction from anything base-4 ???
For all those who shout "stick to the canon" -- we have numerous departures from it in this Battlefront2 that did not happen in BF2015. One glaring example is Vader fighting himself. If you're going to permit cross-era heroes, why not cross-era battledroids on Star-Killer base and have First Order Officers lead the droid armies of Naboo?? If you are going to have "heroes" at all mixed in with troops, why are they not pursuing heroic objectives?
If you're going to have cross-era weapons & heroes, what stops you from breaking other tenets of the Star Wars universe?
That is my point. That DICE have cherry-picked how they want to create this game. Sticking to the canon is immaterial. Deciding who or WHAT defines heroism is completely up to the whims of the DICE Dev Team. There is no standard. Hence, the chip on my shoulder, and every one else who enjoys trooper play only to be slaughtered mercilessly by supposed-hero spam in GA & CS. If Finn gets hero status, I want the same hero status for my base-4 trooper. And just like Buddy says in The Incredibles, "then, when everyone is a hero, no one will be". And the playing field will be level once more.
Capitulation - No.
Confusion - Yes.
Boredom of the "argument" you're presenting - Absolutely.
...but this is a specific forum for Battlefront 2. A game you've already written off and don't play any longer. The progression of this game should be influenced by those still playing and not sour quitters.
Don't assume my age. "Younger player" indeed.
@Alwe15
Honestly dont pay this guy any mind. You can't say you hate the game one minute then say " Oh but I stay on the forums to complain about why I left what it takes to bring me back" Thats like your ex girlfriend who keeps talking trash about you because she cares for you.
I agree with most of this but the end. Thats probably the worste argument ever. A film needs main characters and it needs character development to be good. No one would make a movie that has no main characters and is just a one hour movie of a battle with random clones with no names dying. That would be awfull. And if you made a movie about a group of clones, they would be named characters and then be restricted to heroes, just like any clone commander or iden versio who in my opinion should be a reinforcement instead of a hero. Anyone who is named and appears in a movie or series wil lbe reserved for a hero even if they are better suited to be a skin for a normal class or a rainforcement.
Yes that is true however you missed the point I was trying to make entirely. This game is based on the Star Wars universe which is full of beloved heroes and villains and it would be asinine to exclude them from the game. That was the point I was trying to make I guess I should have just said that instead LOL. Im only responding because you presented a valid arguement. As a general rule Im not gonna respond to this OPs ridiculous, whiny and abusive posts anymore. MTFBWY
Yeah i totally agree with that, personally in bigger modes i rather play as infantry and reinforcements but i love playing hvv and i do enjoy seeing heroes and killing them. Heroes should have always been in this game, i feel like the core of the troopers is broken though which is y i would rather see more reinforcements and new star cards for infantry. Ide like a weapon for each class though. Apart from this i really dont see why heroes and troopers cant coexist without one person saying to the other that the game should be based on what they enjoy.
All we need is to be rewarded for killing a hero and for the team losing the hero to be punished, eg a cooldown on that hero being used.
I agree with you totally. I love the heroes and villains but there is nothing in this game more satisfying than melting a hero with your base 4 trooper.