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  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    Kamino 3 and Theed 3 is crap if you don’t have a good team I will agree with you @Empire_TW , but some of those examples can seem just as bad

    You cannot get worse than Phase 4 of Kamino, only 2 ways into the room both of which are walking distance of each other

    Phase 2 of Kashyyyk is literally the same thing

    Phase 2 of Theed the Droids can't even get up the stairs of a competent LS team

    How can anything be worse than those examples.

    Okay but put a competent defending team with 2 hero’s and most maps can be locked down on one objective 😂

    No argument on kamino
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.

    And thinking the other maps aren’t just as bad is blind love for anything other than CW. What about phase 1 for Death Star empire? Cake walk.
    Phase 3 for Crait for rebels and even 2 to an extent
    Phase 1 tako for Resitence
    Phase 1 2 3 for Yavin for the rebels
    Endor phase 3 for the empire can be a cake walk
    Star killer phase 2 for first order.

    All maps come down to choke points and I would argue 2/3 of these examples can be worse than theed or Geonosis. I really don’t think Wookie world is all that bad with a concentrated effort for phase 2 for the droids. But ONLY CW maps are the worst huh

    I've never had any issue with phase 1 of DS2 as rebels, there are plenty of routes to take and as long as everyone doesn't go through the same one over and over again you should be fine

    Phase 3 of Crait, all they have to do is make the door not close on phase 3

    Again, had plenty of games of Takodonna go past first phase, I've seen others say it is a steam roll for the FO

    Yavin has issues, yes but they aren't as glaring as say Kamino

    Endor Phase 3 is a cake walk for the Rebels, Thermal imploder spam and Yoda/Finn buff spam make too easy

    I've only seen the Resistance get bogged down on phase 2 of Starkiller if the heroes aren't good (Leia just secondary from the back).

    Any concentrated effort by the clones on Kashyyyk makes phase 2 impossible.

    I made a whole thread about this, again feel free to go look at it.

    So then because I’ve been apart of teams that win and many many times on kamino Theed then that makes them okay? You bring up counter points that could be used for Theed, 3 entry points and even a spot behind the wall by the stairs that counts as a capture point and they can just hide there.

    What if the empire has a concentrated effort on 1 obj for DS?
    That could be said for every map?

    I play this game significantly more than you, you've conceded that. I've been steamrolled through phases 1,2, and 3 of Kamino just to see the droids never touch the button on phase 4, On Kashyyyk I always say, "let's go camp the turbo tank and win" and that is exactly what happens.

    The objectives on DS2 still have multiple ways in and flanking routes, CW maps tend to only have 1-3 ways in all of which are walking distance of each other.
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  • All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.
  • OoiiHooked_22
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    edited August 21
    Empire_TW wrote: »
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.

    And thinking the other maps aren’t just as bad is blind love for anything other than CW. What about phase 1 for Death Star empire? Cake walk.
    Phase 3 for Crait for rebels and even 2 to an extent
    Phase 1 tako for Resitence
    Phase 1 2 3 for Yavin for the rebels
    Endor phase 3 for the empire can be a cake walk
    Star killer phase 2 for first order.

    All maps come down to choke points and I would argue 2/3 of these examples can be worse than theed or Geonosis. I really don’t think Wookie world is all that bad with a concentrated effort for phase 2 for the droids. But ONLY CW maps are the worst huh

    I've never had any issue with phase 1 of DS2 as rebels, there are plenty of routes to take and as long as everyone doesn't go through the same one over and over again you should be fine

    Phase 3 of Crait, all they have to do is make the door not close on phase 3

    Again, had plenty of games of Takodonna go past first phase, I've seen others say it is a steam roll for the FO

    Yavin has issues, yes but they aren't as glaring as say Kamino

    Endor Phase 3 is a cake walk for the Rebels, Thermal imploder spam and Yoda/Finn buff spam make too easy

    I've only seen the Resistance get bogged down on phase 2 of Starkiller if the heroes aren't good (Leia just secondary from the back).

    Any concentrated effort by the clones on Kashyyyk makes phase 2 impossible.

    I made a whole thread about this, again feel free to go look at it.

    So then because I’ve been apart of teams that win and many many times on kamino Theed then that makes them okay? You bring up counter points that could be used for Theed, 3 entry points and even a spot behind the wall by the stairs that counts as a capture point and they can just hide there.

    What if the empire has a concentrated effort on 1 obj for DS?
    That could be said for every map?

    I play this game significantly more than you, you've conceded that. I've been steamrolled through phases 1,2, and 3 of Kamino just to see the droids never touch the button on phase 4, On Kashyyyk I always say, "let's go camp the turbo tank and win" and that is exactly what happens.

    The objectives on DS2 still have multiple ways in and flanking routes, CW maps tend to only have 1-3 ways in all of which are walking distance of each other.

    You’re playtime doesn’t change my expierences tho. I rarely see anything after phase 1 DEath Star when the empire has 2 good hero’s and all the team camping the objective that isn’t the one with the bridges.

    I can see we’re not getting anywhere with each other have a good night. This was fun.

    Death to kamino. And 1 good palpatine can change a lot of games, especially Phasse 3 Theed and phasse 2 Wookie world 🤷🏻‍♂️
  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    H
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.
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    Kamino 3 and Theed 3 is crap if you don’t have a good team I will agree with you @Empire_TW , but some of those examples can seem just as bad

    You cannot get worse than Phase 4 of Kamino, only 2 ways into the room both of which are walking distance of each other

    Phase 2 of Kashyyyk is literally the same thing

    Phase 2 of Theed the Droids can't even get up the stairs of a competent LS team

    How can anything be worse than those examples.

    Okay but put a competent defending team with 2 hero’s and most maps can be locked down on one objective 😂

    No argument on kamino

    The attackers have heroes themselves and often have things like ATSTs to help them along. 2 heroes guarding a phase is one thing, 2 heroes guarding a phase and there literally being only 2 ways in is another
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.

    And thinking the other maps aren’t just as bad is blind love for anything other than CW. What about phase 1 for Death Star empire? Cake walk.
    Phase 3 for Crait for rebels and even 2 to an extent
    Phase 1 tako for Resitence
    Phase 1 2 3 for Yavin for the rebels
    Endor phase 3 for the empire can be a cake walk
    Star killer phase 2 for first order.

    All maps come down to choke points and I would argue 2/3 of these examples can be worse than theed or Geonosis. I really don’t think Wookie world is all that bad with a concentrated effort for phase 2 for the droids. But ONLY CW maps are the worst huh

    I've never had any issue with phase 1 of DS2 as rebels, there are plenty of routes to take and as long as everyone doesn't go through the same one over and over again you should be fine

    Phase 3 of Crait, all they have to do is make the door not close on phase 3

    Again, had plenty of games of Takodonna go past first phase, I've seen others say it is a steam roll for the FO

    Yavin has issues, yes but they aren't as glaring as say Kamino

    Endor Phase 3 is a cake walk for the Rebels, Thermal imploder spam and Yoda/Finn buff spam make too easy

    I've only seen the Resistance get bogged down on phase 2 of Starkiller if the heroes aren't good (Leia just secondary from the back).

    Any concentrated effort by the clones on Kashyyyk makes phase 2 impossible.

    I made a whole thread about this, again feel free to go look at it.

    So then because I’ve been apart of teams that win and many many times on kamino Theed then that makes them okay? You bring up counter points that could be used for Theed, 3 entry points and even a spot behind the wall by the stairs that counts as a capture point and they can just hide there.

    What if the empire has a concentrated effort on 1 obj for DS?
    That could be said for every map?

    I play this game significantly more than you, you've conceded that. I've been steamrolled through phases 1,2, and 3 of Kamino just to see the droids never touch the button on phase 4, On Kashyyyk I always say, "let's go camp the turbo tank and win" and that is exactly what happens.

    The objectives on DS2 still have multiple ways in and flanking routes, CW maps tend to only have 1-3 ways in all of which are walking distance of each other.

    You’re playtime doesn’t change my expierences tho. I rarely see anything after phase 1 DEath Star when the empire has 2 good hero’s and all the team camping the objective that isn’t the one with the bridges.

    I can see we’re not getting anywhere with each other have a good night. This was fun.

    Death to kamino. And 1 good palpatine can change a lot of games, especially Phasse 3 Theed and phasse 2 Wookie world 🤷🏻‍♂️

    I've experienced what happens in matches more than you, I always get past phase 1 of DS2, sometimes even with a bad team. DS2 is not as troublesome because of the map layout, each objective has multiple routes to it.
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  • Lyc4n
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    I think people need to realise that the ga maps are not balanced. I also doubt they ever will be because they are not designed for balance they are almost like you are playing out a scenario. Its never going to be equal odds. And theyve done alot to balance this game mode, if you think kamino is bad now you obviously didnt play when the game first came out.

    In a way though i did enjoy these maps because of the achievement feeling when you do win and you know your team has the disadvantage. Who cares about winning as a clone on kamino? However if you win as a droid it feels amazing. This is the same on jakku. Takodana is very unique in the sense of the first phase being very hard to attack but if you make it through that you will most likely make it through win the whole game.

    The only maps i dislike on ga are hoth and crait. I just have something against hoth, apart from how iconic it is its just such a dull planet to me and crait is even worse. I also hate the phase on every map that has a walker. I dont find this objective very engaging on any of the maps.
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    I’m not sure, I find the Felucia map to be much more boring gameplay wise compared to BF2s DS Trench Run map in SA

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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    I’m not sure, I find the Felucia map to be much more boring gameplay wise compared to BF2s DS Trench Run map in SA

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    Shall we get back to you when the map drops and we have all actually played it?
  • All this because because people hate prequel trilogy

    Ok im not really not sure people do.... well. True fans certainly don't.
    But all of this attention on one era suggests the game developers think one era is more important than the rest and to true fans that's frustrating.

    Then again if you head over to Reddit you would see everyone creaming their pants at the camouflaged robots and era specific gameplay. So when there's people like that in the world how are games supposed to develop and improve.
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    All this because because people hate prequel trilogy

    Ok im not really not sure people do.... well. True fans certainly don't.
    But all of this attention on one era suggests the game developers think one era is more important than the rest and to true fans that's frustrating.

    Then again if you head over to Reddit you would see everyone creaming their pants at the camouflaged robots and era specific gameplay. So when there's people like that in the world how are games supposed to develop and improve.

    No era is more important than others but in large scale warfare OT and ST pale compared to PT/CW era. Only era that could blow it even bigger would be legends Old republic / Sith empire wars.

    And bad maps are bad no matter what era they are from.
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    The lack of star fighter assault is karma for anyone that likes to straif people in GA. Sorry, but it's well deserved.

    Star fighter assault is a good mode to switch it up and play around sometimes but i think the player base for sa compared to others is very very small.

    Would fit the narrative that star fighter assault support came in last in the community survey.

    So what? SFA players pay/paid the same amount for the game.

    Further - it’s been 2 years (ish) since a new SFA map was dropped. Since then, and including this coming update, “new ways to play” have been developed. All sorts of new stuff has been released ... except for SFA.

    If devs can architect new ways to play, it only stands to reason that they can figure out how to update an existing way to play.

    The Criterion being gone argument doesn’t hold water unless/until Dice stops saying things like “something for everyone” and (finally) admits to not being able to fulfill the obligation of what they’d advertised at launch: new content for everyone.

    The size of the community, at this point, is irrelevant and the lamest of all excuses (save for the one above).


    Dice, yes/no - a binary response: will there be new SFA content this calendar year?


    If “yes”, when? If “no”, why?


    We’ve all contributed to your salaries, the very least you are obligated to provide your customer base is the truth.
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    Lyc4n wrote: »

    I wish @F8RGE could come out and say that the reinforcements for after september are for other eras even if thats the only thing about them he can say just to stop people complaining. 2020 will probably be a year full of st content bringing it to cs.

    As I said earlier, we are looking at other eras :)

    So the main thrust of this thread, excellent thread @Finishhimvox, about the lack of SA content and this is what you choose to comment about.
    Some of us don’t understand why you choose to ignore any and all comments about SA. Why? Help us understand your aversion to SA and why one of the larger, most balanced and fun modes is ignored by a community manager with a rebel pilot helmet for an avatar.
    #StarWars-y
  • F8RGE wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »

    I wish @F8RGE could come out and say that the reinforcements for after september are for other eras even if thats the only thing about them he can say just to stop people complaining. 2020 will probably be a year full of st content bringing it to cs.

    As I said earlier, we are looking at other eras :)

    So the main thrust of this thread, excellent thread @Finishhimvox, about the lack of SA content and this is what you choose to comment about.
    Some of us don’t understand why you choose to ignore any and all comments about SA. Why? Help us understand your aversion to SA and why one of the larger, most balanced and fun modes is ignored by a community manager with a rebel pilot helmet for an avatar.
    Criterion, the main work force for SA is no longer working on SWBF2. They could add star fighter skins and different maps though.

  • F8RGE wrote: »
    Lyc4n wrote: »

    I wish @F8RGE could come out and say that the reinforcements for after september are for other eras even if thats the only thing about them he can say just to stop people complaining. 2020 will probably be a year full of st content bringing it to cs.

    As I said earlier, we are looking at other eras :)

    So the main thrust of this thread, excellent thread @Finishhimvox, about the lack of SA content and this is what you choose to comment about.
    Some of us don’t understand why you choose to ignore any and all comments about SA. Why? Help us understand your aversion to SA and why one of the larger, most balanced and fun modes is ignored by a community manager with a rebel pilot helmet for an avatar.
    Criterion, the main work force for SA is no longer working on SWBF2. They could add star fighter skins and different maps though.

    Hence why i said i dont want more ships the ships we have are fine and all balanced.

    I just want maps surely that cant be that hard.
  • @TheStickman Thanks and yes, many of us are aware that unfortunately Criterion is no longer involved. I could be mistaken but I don’t believe Criterion was involved in creating HvV SA nor were they involved in SWBF 15 FS.
    The point being is that pilots and SA are ignored when we’re told “nothing is being ignored.” Much like the “something for everyone” comment. I’m not going to call Ben a liar but some of his comments are not entirely accurate.
    @Finishhimvox will correct me if I’m wrong but the main point of this thread was about the lack of SA content. What did Ben choose to comment about?
    #StarWars-y
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Empire_TW wrote: »
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
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    Empire_TW wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.

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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    grimmace2 wrote: »
    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.

    This was only an era debate because of my observation of people being biased of maps simply for what era they (which you proved is true)

    Maps aren't bound to trooper classes, the 4 trooper classes are on all maps and don't differ from each other except for appearance which again, dictating whether a map is good or not solely on that is absurd.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.

    This was only an era debate because of my observation of people being biased of maps simply for what era they (which you proved is true)

    Maps aren't bound to trooper classes, the 4 trooper classes are on all maps and don't differ from each other except for appearance which again, dictating whether a map is good or not solely on that is absurd.

    Yes, I meant appearance, not classes. You know what I meant.
    Solely? Look at my post above. I clearly said it was a factor in my distaste for the PT maps.

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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.

    This was only an era debate because of my observation of people being biased of maps simply for what era they (which you proved is true)

    Maps aren't bound to trooper classes, the 4 trooper classes are on all maps and don't differ from each other except for appearance which again, dictating whether a map is good or not solely on that is absurd.

    Yes, I meant appearance, not classes. You know what I meant.
    Solely? Look at my post above. I clearly said it was a factor in my distaste for the PT maps.

    The other factors being that you don't like the ST films which is irrelevant in a PvP game.

    So again, just because you don't like the films or how the soldiers look doesn't mean ST maps are bad.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.

    This was only an era debate because of my observation of people being biased of maps simply for what era they (which you proved is true)

    Maps aren't bound to trooper classes, the 4 trooper classes are on all maps and don't differ from each other except for appearance which again, dictating whether a map is good or not solely on that is absurd.

    Yes, I meant appearance, not classes. You know what I meant.
    Solely? Look at my post above. I clearly said it was a factor in my distaste for the PT maps.

    The other factors being that you don't like the ST films which is irrelevant in a PvP game.

    So again, just because you don't like the films or how the soldiers look doesn't mean ST maps are bad.
    No. These are the other factors being:
    1. I don’t like how the maps look.
    2. I don’t like most of the phases of the maps.
    3. I don’t like the vehicles
    4. I don’t like the films.
    Yes, while I agreed that the films don’t matter MUCH, that much in there is a keyword. The movies do matter a great deal less, but they definitely have a bearing on my enjoyment. They are far from irrelevant. Every time I watch “Rookies” from the CW, I wanna play this game instantly. I don’t feel ANY of that when watching the st. In fact, every time I watch it, it makes me want to play it less. That’s why I try to forget the st films, so that I can enjoy playing the era.
    It shouldn’t be that way.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.

    This was only an era debate because of my observation of people being biased of maps simply for what era they (which you proved is true)

    Maps aren't bound to trooper classes, the 4 trooper classes are on all maps and don't differ from each other except for appearance which again, dictating whether a map is good or not solely on that is absurd.

    Yes, I meant appearance, not classes. You know what I meant.
    Solely? Look at my post above. I clearly said it was a factor in my distaste for the PT maps.

    The other factors being that you don't like the ST films which is irrelevant in a PvP game.

    So again, just because you don't like the films or how the soldiers look doesn't mean ST maps are bad.
    No. These are the other factors being:
    1. I don’t like how the maps look.
    2. I don’t like most of the phases of the maps.
    3. I don’t like the vehicles
    4. I don’t like the films.
    Yes, while I agreed that the films don’t matter MUCH, that much in there is a keyword. The movies do matter a great deal less, but they definitely have a bearing on my enjoyment. They are far from irrelevant. Every time I watch “Rookies” from the CW, I wanna play this game instantly. I don’t feel ANY of that when watching the st. In fact, every time I watch it, it makes me want to play it less. That’s why I try to forget the st films, so that I can enjoy playing the era.
    It shouldn’t be that way.

    How does a map look? How do the ST maps differ from other maps visually?

    There are much worse phases than the ST, Phase 3 of Crait is probably the worst one but it is nowhere near as bad as Phase 2 of Kashyyyk or Phase 4 of Kamino

    The vehicles are just slightly different looking things from the OT and they don't function too different than any other vehicle

    again films are irrelevant

    What happens in other media is hardly a reason to judge maps in this game, CW maps are good because you liked the CW show? That once again proves my point that. Again just because TFA was bad doesn't mean Takaodonna is a bad map.

    Your factors for deciding whether a map is good or not are non-issues.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.

    This was only an era debate because of my observation of people being biased of maps simply for what era they (which you proved is true)

    Maps aren't bound to trooper classes, the 4 trooper classes are on all maps and don't differ from each other except for appearance which again, dictating whether a map is good or not solely on that is absurd.

    Yes, I meant appearance, not classes. You know what I meant.
    Solely? Look at my post above. I clearly said it was a factor in my distaste for the PT maps.

    The other factors being that you don't like the ST films which is irrelevant in a PvP game.

    So again, just because you don't like the films or how the soldiers look doesn't mean ST maps are bad.
    No. These are the other factors being:
    1. I don’t like how the maps look.
    2. I don’t like most of the phases of the maps.
    3. I don’t like the vehicles
    4. I don’t like the films.
    Yes, while I agreed that the films don’t matter MUCH, that much in there is a keyword. The movies do matter a great deal less, but they definitely have a bearing on my enjoyment. They are far from irrelevant. Every time I watch “Rookies” from the CW, I wanna play this game instantly. I don’t feel ANY of that when watching the st. In fact, every time I watch it, it makes me want to play it less. That’s why I try to forget the st films, so that I can enjoy playing the era.
    It shouldn’t be that way.

    How does a map look? How do the ST maps differ from other maps visually?

    There are much worse phases than the ST, Phase 3 of Crait is probably the worst one but it is nowhere near as bad as Phase 2 of Kashyyyk or Phase 4 of Kamino

    The vehicles are just slightly different looking things from the OT and they don't function too different than any other vehicle

    again films are irrelevant

    What happens in other media is hardly a reason to judge maps in this game, CW maps are good because you liked the CW show? That once again proves my point that. Again just because TFA was bad doesn't mean Takaodonna is a bad map.

    Your factors for deciding whether a map is good or not are non-issues.

    Films are relevant

    TFA being bad doesn’t make Takodanna bad, but it certainly doesn’t help.
    I don’t like it because is is a dull version of Yavin.

    Once again, no matter how good the vehicles play, if they look stupid they’re bad designs.
    I also never said that the ST maps are bad objectively. All of these are reasons why I don’t like them, and others may agree, but if we make a poll on ST maps vs. PT maps, I’m pretty sure PT would win.
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    "Something for everyone" and you are like a kid looking for OT content under the xmas tree
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    Thanks for summing up the OT community right now.

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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

    Fixed
    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
    Empire_TW wrote: »
    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

    Fixed

    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.

    This was only an era debate because of my observation of people being biased of maps simply for what era they (which you proved is true)

    Maps aren't bound to trooper classes, the 4 trooper classes are on all maps and don't differ from each other except for appearance which again, dictating whether a map is good or not solely on that is absurd.

    Yes, I meant appearance, not classes. You know what I meant.
    Solely? Look at my post above. I clearly said it was a factor in my distaste for the PT maps.

    The other factors being that you don't like the ST films which is irrelevant in a PvP game.

    So again, just because you don't like the films or how the soldiers look doesn't mean ST maps are bad.
    No. These are the other factors being:
    1. I don’t like how the maps look.
    2. I don’t like most of the phases of the maps.
    3. I don’t like the vehicles
    4. I don’t like the films.
    Yes, while I agreed that the films don’t matter MUCH, that much in there is a keyword. The movies do matter a great deal less, but they definitely have a bearing on my enjoyment. They are far from irrelevant. Every time I watch “Rookies” from the CW, I wanna play this game instantly. I don’t feel ANY of that when watching the st. In fact, every time I watch it, it makes me want to play it less. That’s why I try to forget the st films, so that I can enjoy playing the era.
    It shouldn’t be that way.

    How does a map look? How do the ST maps differ from other maps visually?

    There are much worse phases than the ST, Phase 3 of Crait is probably the worst one but it is nowhere near as bad as Phase 2 of Kashyyyk or Phase 4 of Kamino

    The vehicles are just slightly different looking things from the OT and they don't function too different than any other vehicle

    again films are irrelevant

    What happens in other media is hardly a reason to judge maps in this game, CW maps are good because you liked the CW show? That once again proves my point that. Again just because TFA was bad doesn't mean Takaodonna is a bad map.

    Your factors for deciding whether a map is good or not are non-issues.

    Films are relevant

    TFA being bad doesn’t make Takodanna bad, but it certainly doesn’t help.
    I don’t like it because is is a dull version of Yavin.

    Once again, no matter how good the vehicles play, if they look stupid they’re bad designs.
    I also never said that the ST maps are bad objectively. All of these are reasons why I don’t like them, and others may agree, but if we make a poll on ST maps vs. PT maps, I’m pretty sure PT would win.

    How are the films relevant when this is a separate form of media, this is a game, not the films.

    By that logic Geonosis, Theed, and Kamino are all bad maps because TPM and AotC were both objectively bad films.

    In game Yavin and Takaodonna hardly play like each other and again let's use your logic for the CW maps, Geonosis is just the dune sea of Tatooine but more orange, Kamino is cloud city with water underneath, Kashyyyk is just Endor with some beaches, and Theed is Mos Eisley without the sand.

    "Once again, no matter how good the vehicles play, if they look stupid they’re bad designs."

    How something looks is more important than how it plays? That's as dumb as saying graphics over gameplay, which you pretty much said. That statement alone makes you lose all credibility for deciding what is good in an online pvp game.

    "I also never said that the ST maps are bad objectively"

    Except when you said they were "that bad" and that map that isn't even in the game yet is already better than them. On top of that, you have clearly stated multiple times that you mainly don't like them for aesthetic reasons.

    I already stated that this community is full of biased people, you are a shining example of one, many like you would pick PT simply because they hate the ST films and or like CW.
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    I think what @Empire_TW is trying to express is that certain locations/characters are getting pumped up by CW fans simply because the content is CW related, regardless of how good that content is, and that makes sense. People that grew up with the Prequel movies /CW shows are more apt to like Prequel/CW content. Example: a lot of the CW fans would pump up Kamino as a great map, and complain that Takodana is not a great map. All things being equal, if Takodana had appeared in the CW show(s) and Kamino had not, the likelihood is that the CW fans would argue that Takodana is a great map and Kamino is not. It's understandable, we like what we know, but it ignores an objective review of the content. So as @Empire_TW said, CW fans like CW content simply because it is CW content. That is neither good nor bad, but simply an observation.


    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars
    correct, however I don't mind playing them in a game where the era is just an asthetic

    you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    False, I don't play them because the maps are terrible. Again you proved my point, you hate ST simply for them being ST.

    Explain why the ST maps are bad simply for the ST aesthetic . Aside from the door closing on phase 3 of Crait and the West Exit on Jakku, how are the ST maps have bad layouts. Nothing in this game is worse than phase 4 of Kamino, any half competent LS team will always in there, if they didn't already win by just hiding in the barracks.
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    I wouldn't mind CW maps if they weren't god awful, more so than the others.

    Please. Jakku, Takodanna, and Crait are nowhere as good as Felucia and Kamino.

    How do you know... Felucia hasn't even landed yet. We haven't played it. How can you state something like that?
    Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku don't have clone troopers on them, therefore, they are bad.

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    Please. Hypocrisy at it’s finest. You don’t play CW maps for the sole reason that they are clone wars, and you play OT maps because they have stormtroopers.
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    Jeez.

    I'm not debating this.. IL just point out:

    a) Rey, Finn, chewwie, Luke, Han, Leia, kylo, Phasma... All ST . As I said. We have plenty.

    b) I would suggest that's more your issue with attention span than the games

    c) course it was. 🤣🤣🤣

    Except half of those hero’s are not designed for that era, try again

    'designed' for an 'era'.

    Well that's the most ridiculous thing iv read today...... After the CT of course 🤣🤣🤣

    If that’s the case Ahsoka could be an OT hero as well, wouldn’t that help the OT crowd begging for hero’s?! Hmmmmm

    Have I missed all of these OT hero request threads?

    Apparently so. I see people begging for Jyn and Krennic just as much as I see people begging for Ahsoka/Ventress, not to mention the other Rogue One character and the missing OT bounty hunters. Even see people beg for Greedo and Nien Numb sometimes.

    I disagree with you, per usual. I don’t think many OT fans are begging for new heroes nearly as often as the CW fanatics. The Ahsoka/Ventress crowd are on another level.

    I don't really see begging just things like "throw them in if you can" while the real request was along the lines of maps, And anything from the OT only because that’s all I like and I hate the clone wars with a passion.

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    Every time I discuss why I dislike the CW maps I go in extensive details on why I even made an extensive thread on suggestions to fix them. Please show me where I've said that I dislike CW maps for being CW related and like OT maps simply for being OT.

    @TheStickman you literally said a map that isn't in the game in the game yet just so happens to be better than all the ST maps.
    Okay, let’s sit down and dissect this piece by piece.
    You have an extreme distaste for the clone wars, as shown by your various posts. Thus, similar to me, (in this respect) you wouldn’t want to play those maps because it’s not your preferred era.
    Now I, on the other hand, both hate the ST era, [/i]and[/i] the awful layout and drab color schemes.
    My point wasn’t that you’re wrong for not liking the CW maps because they are clone wars, but the hypocritical side of your argument that one can derive from your various posts on this forum, trashing the clone wars era.
    Now, about Felucia. I have no doubt that this colorful and extremely detailed NEW map will appeal to me and many others more than the ST maps because they are not very great to say the least, and Felucia is shaping up to be one of my favorite maps. Granted, I could be wrong, but those chances are small considering what we have with the ST maps right now.
    I’ll get too the rest of all of you mentioning me soon. Hang on.

    They don’t understand hypocrisy

    I don't hate the CW maps for being CW, I hate them for being terribly designed.

    But it’s so hard to contemplate that MOST CW fans don’t hate anything other than CW and think highly ONLY of CW? You can see how what you do doesn’t make sense when I do it to you?

    I actually give indepth reasons behind why I dislike certain things, again check my history.

    The reaction to the Solo season, comments on threads that are about "favorite maps", and the person who came in and said a map that the only known thing is that it is clone wars is already better than ST maps as examples of blind appraise for CW.
    As do I. Look at my last few responses.
    The reaction to Solo was completely excusable, look at the content ratio at the time. Don’t tell me that’s not fair. OT still has the most content.

    Why does the theme of the content matter?

    As someone said earlier content is content
    Try running that line by anyone who has an opinion on eras and tell me how it went if you make it back in one piece.

    Solo season reaction
    Imagine if Clone Commandos were Sith Troopers instead
    Imagine if we got ST content for the past year

    I mean someone here already declared a map better than ST maps but all we know about it is what era it is, oh wait...
    Yeah, hate to break it to you, but not all eras are equally loved. PT was the best choice for a stream of content, as its fan base is much bigger than the ST and the OT already had more than both the PT and ST combined.

    Era is mostly an aesthetic thing in this game, content isn't good or bad simply for what theme it is, CW fans are the ones who are failing to grasp this.
    All we know about it is what era it is
    This is false. Not correct. W R O N G

    We know what planet it is, some of the landmarks, and a lot of the gameplay behind it.

    There is a BIG difference between a “cw era map” and “Felucia”

    If it were not for that, I wouldn’t have made my claims.

    It's a jungle world and its a map for CS. That's the additional info about it. We know nothign about the actual map layout of it or how it will play.

    Most CW fans, (myself included) are mostly content with the content we have and are ready for OT to get some love, specifically Rogue One.

    As for Felucia, I can guess mostly how it will play as it is a CS map.

    I've seen the reddit, they sure aren't content

    There is no way to possibly know how Felucia will play and you've already admitted your biased against ST Maps.
    Not biased against ST maps. In fact, I’m exited for the new content. One of the main reasons I don’t play it is that it lacks variety.

    You specifically said you hated ST maps because you don't like the films and the design of the soldiers of the era.
    ...which is why I’m happy for new content. The current stuff is not great.

    And the reason you don't think it's great is that you don't like the ST films or designs which are mostly irrelevant in a 1st/3rd person shooter.

    Films are irrelevant, for the most part, yes.
    Designs COMPLETELY relevant.
    How would you feel if Iden Versio was a dude? Isn’t the main reason you like her her design? Why do you think skins exist?
    Design completely matters.

    So you finally agree that films don't matter good,

    for the maps and factions yes visual designs don't matter, how does a FO heavy function any different then a Clone Heavy? How does an FO officer function different than a droid officer? The era is mostly aesthetic and the gameplay is the same.

    A specific hero character is different, they were made to be completely unique which is why cross era exists.

    Yes, I know the gameplay is the same. You’re ignoring the elephant in the room. The design matters to me. I care how my character looks. That’s why people want skins.
    If you don’t care about skins, that’s fine.
    But I can guarantee that 99% of the player base disagrees with you.

    How you look hardly matters in a 1st/3rd person shooter and judging maps solely on that which is what you were doing is absurd.

    Starkiller Base isn't a bad map because you don't like the look of the First Order and Resistance soldiers.
    Well the focus shifted to era debate if you hadn’t noticed.
    Maps are bound to trooper classes. The look of the classes are a factor in how much I like or dislike a map. If I can play separatists on starkiller base (which I shouldn’t be able to outside of arcade), that drastically changes the experience.

    This was only an era debate because of my observation of people being biased of maps simply for what era they (which you proved is true)

    Maps aren't bound to trooper classes, the 4 trooper classes are on all maps and don't differ from each other except for appearance which again, dictating whether a map is good or not solely on that is absurd.

    Yes, I meant appearance, not classes. You know what I meant.
    Solely? Look at my post above. I clearly said it was a factor in my distaste for the PT maps.

    The other factors being that you don't like the ST films which is irrelevant in a PvP game.

    So again, just because you don't like the films or how the soldiers look doesn't mean ST maps are bad.
    No. These are the other factors being:
    1. I don’t like how the maps look.
    2. I don’t like most of the phases of the maps.
    3. I don’t like the vehicles
    4. I don’t like the films.
    Yes, while I agreed that the films don’t matter MUCH, that much in there is a keyword. The movies do matter a great deal less, but they definitely have a bearing on my enjoyment. They are far from irrelevant. Every time I watch “Rookies” from the CW, I wanna play this game instantly. I don’t feel ANY of that when watching the st. In fact, every time I watch it, it makes me want to play it less. That’s why I try to forget the st films, so that I can enjoy playing the era.
    It shouldn’t be that way.

    How does a map look? How do the ST maps differ from other maps visually?

    There are much worse phases than the ST, Phase 3 of Crait is probably the worst one but it is nowhere near as bad as Phase 2 of Kashyyyk or Phase 4 of Kamino

    The vehicles are just slightly different looking things from the OT and they don't function too different than any other vehicle

    again films are irrelevant

    What happens in other media is hardly a reason to judge maps in this game, CW maps are good because you liked the CW show? That once again proves my point that. Again just because TFA was bad doesn't mean Takaodonna is a bad map.

    Your factors for deciding whether a map is good or not are non-issues.

    Films are relevant

    TFA being bad doesn’t make Takodanna bad, but it certainly doesn’t help.
    I don’t like it because is is a dull version of Yavin.

    Once again, no matter how good the vehicles play, if they look stupid they’re bad designs.
    I also never said that the ST maps are bad objectively. All of these are reasons why I don’t like them, and others may agree, but if we make a poll on ST maps vs. PT maps, I’m pretty sure PT would win.

    How are the films relevant when this is a separate form of media, this is a game, not the films.

    By that logic Geonosis, Theed, and Kamino are all bad maps because TPM and AotC were both objectively bad films.

    In game Yavin and Takaodonna hardly play like each other and again let's use your logic for the CW maps, Geonosis is just the dune sea of Tatooine but more orange, Kamino is cloud city with water underneath, Kashyyyk is just Endor with some beaches, and Theed is Mos Eisley without the sand.

    "Once again, no matter how good the vehicles play, if they look stupid they’re bad designs."

    How something looks is more important than how it plays? That's as dumb as saying graphics over gameplay, which you pretty much said. That statement alone makes you lose all credibility for deciding what is good in an online pvp game.

    "I also never said that the ST maps are bad objectively"

    Except when you said they were "that bad" and that map that isn't even in the game yet is already better than them. On top of that, you have clearly stated multiple times that you mainly don't like them for aesthetic reasons.

    I already stated that this community is full of biased people, you are a shining example of one, many like you would pick PT simply because they hate the ST films and or like CW.

    Wow. There is a LOT to unpack here.

    First of all, I’ve stated time and time again how the films are relevant in a game like this, with how they increases immersion and add an extra level of fun or take away from the gameplay with their flaws.

    “By that logic, Theed, Kamino, and Geonosis should all be bad maps because TPM and AoTC sucked”

    While AoTC was VERY bad, the reason for this, was the politics and the ‘love’ scenes that were horribly thrown in. The clones were the redeeming factor and the scenes with Kamino and the final battle of Geonosis will remain some of my favorites. I cannot say the same for Crait, Takodanna, and Jakku. Theed is my least favorite map of the PT, but I still like it more than the ST maps because the scenery and tiny details in it are REALLY cool.

    As for the Yavin/Takodanna comparison, It was the visual aesthetic, not how they were similar in terms of gameplay. When it comes to comparing those two however, Yavin wins because it is an original and more iconic map and it plays better. Like I said, they’re not the same. Takodanna is a dull version of it planet-wise. Geonosis being Kashyyyk is also very different, as Geonosis is an enormus, spread out map with various rock formations and a orange color scheme while tatooine is inside Mos Eisley and different in every way without the inclusion of sand. Kamino is also different from cloud city as it is a too-secret military base whereas cloud city is a lavish city for the rich. Both are really nice maps, but only Kamino is in a large-scale mode. Mos Eisley and Theed are nothing alike, so dont even try with that one.
    Thirdly, I’m not putting gameplay above cosmetics. The point there was that the gameplay is pretty much the same across all eras, which is why I keep focusing so much on cosmetic differences. So don’t say I’m “losing all my credibility” when I’m pointing out the obvious. If you wanna focus on the gameplay, that’s fine, it as you yourself have stated it doesn’t change much between eras. That puts most of the focus on how things appear. If two products have the same abilities, such as a car, I’m not going to choose a car that looks like garbage one over a nice looking one even if its capabilities are slightly better(which in the case of ST vehicles it’s not better). If the ugly one is far better, and the nice one preforms awfully, I’m going with the ugly one. You have to take risks and benefits into thought when thinking about these things.

    Finally there is a big difference between bias and preference. I guess I could call you biased for only playing as Iden, for whatever reason. Iden is your preference. You like playing as her because _______. Same thing with people who dislike and like ST maps. It would only be biased if I liked the PT maps if they had CW factions on them. But I don’t. I really don’t like those maps, and I wouldn’t because they’re not Iconic and fun to play on. They look like rip-offs. The only one I like is phase one of Crait, and that gets overshadowed by the boring phases that follow it inside the mountain.

    I hope you get where I’m coming from now.
  • Immersion has nothing to do with how good map is, if it plays well (which for the most part ST maps besides 3rd phase of Jakku and the last phase of Crait play fine) why does it matter?

    AotC is still objectively bad, overall and to you, the film being bad at all heavily dictates whether the map based off of it is good or not, In what way did Jakku, Takodonna, or Crait hold the films they were in back? Why does it matter if when the maps of them in the game hardly resemble what actually happened in the film?

    Your comparisons are cherry-picking

    Yavin and Takodonna are the same because they have forests and temples. Even though Yavin is a tropical environment while Takodonna is temperate

    Using that logic then I'm right, Theed and Mos EIsly are the same as they are both cities and Kamino and Bespin are the same as they are both suspended cities. If trees and temple mean the same thing then Geonosis and Tatooine are the same as they are both deserts


    Your whole "one did it first argument" can also be used against PT things you like. Stormtroopers came first, so does that make clones boring? AT-RT is just an AT-ST without a boxed in the cockpit and is larger. Endor that render Kashyyyk. George specifically said his "it's poetry it rhymes" quote during the making of the PT, so the PT is allowed to have similar concepts but the ST isn't?

    At the end of the day, these are your personal preferences and I really don't care, but you cannot go around proclaiming the PT maps are better than ST because of your personal aesthetic preferences.

    The only thing I got from this is that you hate the ST and like stating the CW maps to be superior based solely on your aesthetic preferences.
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  • Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.
  • Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.

    OT getting content isn't what this is about, this started as someone claiming the CW maps better than the ST maps and it just took a while for him just to outright say that he just likes the CW maps for aesthetic reasons.
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  • DarthJ
    6659 posts Member
    Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.

    The problem is is that before the Gamescom announcement/CT, F8RGE had said that he thought there would be something to keep everyone happy in the CT. So most assumed it would be a little something for each era. Instead we have 90% PT, and the rest ST.

    OT has a Luke skin. Are they suggesting that 1 skin will placate all those who want to see something else? :joy:

    At this point I am looking forward more to the Ep 9 stuff
    PSN: ibrajoker59
  • DarthJ wrote: »
    Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.

    The problem is is that before the Gamescom announcement/CT, F8RGE had said that he thought there would be something to keep everyone happy in the CT. So most assumed it would be a little something for each era. Instead we have 90% PT, and the rest ST.

    OT has a Luke skin. Are they suggesting that 1 skin will placate all those who want to see something else? :joy:

    At this point I am looking forward more to the Ep 9 stuff

    Eras aside, there was no SA content announced. I have been waiting for more SA content since the poor excuse for Hero SA was introduced. The only modes that get less love than SA are Extraction and Strike. Extraction has had ZERO additional maps released. So "something for everyone" means nothing if you play SA, Extraction, or Strike. I'm not a huge Strike fan, but I have the ability to recognize when something isn't getting love, even if I don't play it. Extraction is an amazing mode as well, it DESERVES more maps. It doesn't even have the SA built-in excuse that "Criterion isn't involved anymore." All I'm asking for anymore is a re-work to Hero SA (which was introduced long after Criterion left the building), that would make the mode playable like HvV.

    "Something for everyone" did not include "everyone."
  • DarthJ
    6659 posts Member
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    DarthJ wrote: »
    Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.

    The problem is is that before the Gamescom announcement/CT, F8RGE had said that he thought there would be something to keep everyone happy in the CT. So most assumed it would be a little something for each era. Instead we have 90% PT, and the rest ST.

    OT has a Luke skin. Are they suggesting that 1 skin will placate all those who want to see something else? :joy:

    At this point I am looking forward more to the Ep 9 stuff

    Eras aside, there was no SA content announced. I have been waiting for more SA content since the poor excuse for Hero SA was introduced. The only modes that get less love than SA are Extraction and Strike. Extraction has had ZERO additional maps released. So "something for everyone" means nothing if you play SA, Extraction, or Strike. I'm not a huge Strike fan, but I have the ability to recognize when something isn't getting love, even if I don't play it. Extraction is an amazing mode as well, it DESERVES more maps. It doesn't even have the SA built-in excuse that "Criterion isn't involved anymore." All I'm asking for anymore is a re-work to Hero SA (which was introduced long after Criterion left the building), that would make the mode playable like HvV.

    "Something for everyone" did not include "everyone."

    Very true. I love extraction, would happily see it expanded to other eras
    PSN: ibrajoker59
  • grimmace2 wrote: »
    DarthJ wrote: »
    Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.

    The problem is is that before the Gamescom announcement/CT, F8RGE had said that he thought there would be something to keep everyone happy in the CT. So most assumed it would be a little something for each era. Instead we have 90% PT, and the rest ST.

    OT has a Luke skin. Are they suggesting that 1 skin will placate all those who want to see something else? :joy:

    At this point I am looking forward more to the Ep 9 stuff

    Eras aside, there was no SA content announced. I have been waiting for more SA content since the poor excuse for Hero SA was introduced. The only modes that get less love than SA are Extraction and Strike. Extraction has had ZERO additional maps released. So "something for everyone" means nothing if you play SA, Extraction, or Strike. I'm not a huge Strike fan, but I have the ability to recognize when something isn't getting love, even if I don't play it. Extraction is an amazing mode as well, it DESERVES more maps. It doesn't even have the SA built-in excuse that "Criterion isn't involved anymore." All I'm asking for anymore is a re-work to Hero SA (which was introduced long after Criterion left the building), that would make the mode playable like HvV.

    "Something for everyone" did not include "everyone."

    Bullseye.
    Interesting that both SA and Extraction threads are not filled with arguments about eras, balancing and the other assorted comments that are prevalent on the forums. Both of these groups, SA and Extraction players, within the larger community, seem to be civil towards one another for the most part.

    It’s pretty simple, both SA and Extraction players would like more maps. Instead we are told “nothing is being ignored” and there is “something for everyone”. Both groups of players, SA and Extraction, might not be as large as those who enjoy hero play, but one would think the community manager would at least offer some level of communication to both groups.

    Just more maps for SA and Extraction.
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  • DarthJ wrote: »
    Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.

    The problem is is that before the Gamescom announcement/CT, F8RGE had said that he thought there would be something to keep everyone happy in the CT. So most assumed it would be a little something for each era. Instead we have 90% PT, and the rest ST.

    OT has a Luke skin. Are they suggesting that 1 skin will placate all those who want to see something else? :joy:

    At this point I am looking forward more to the Ep 9 stuff

    It does make him look quite ridiculous doesn't it... Or totally out of touch.. or both .
  • grimmace2 wrote: »
    DarthJ wrote: »
    Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.

    The problem is is that before the Gamescom announcement/CT, F8RGE had said that he thought there would be something to keep everyone happy in the CT. So most assumed it would be a little something for each era. Instead we have 90% PT, and the rest ST.

    OT has a Luke skin. Are they suggesting that 1 skin will placate all those who want to see something else? :joy:

    At this point I am looking forward more to the Ep 9 stuff

    Eras aside, there was no SA content announced. I have been waiting for more SA content since the poor excuse for Hero SA was introduced. The only modes that get less love than SA are Extraction and Strike. Extraction has had ZERO additional maps released. So "something for everyone" means nothing if you play SA, Extraction, or Strike. I'm not a huge Strike fan, but I have the ability to recognize when something isn't getting love, even if I don't play it. Extraction is an amazing mode as well, it DESERVES more maps. It doesn't even have the SA built-in excuse that "Criterion isn't involved anymore." All I'm asking for anymore is a re-work to Hero SA (which was introduced long after Criterion left the building), that would make the mode playable like HvV.

    "Something for everyone" did not include "everyone."

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  • Alex64
    7647 posts Member
    Mkiosk wrote: »
    grimmace2 wrote: »
    DarthJ wrote: »
    Y'all still going on? The original trilogy isn't getting any big content!!!!! Besides it's not like the clone wars era has a bunch of content 4 heroes, 4 reinforcements & a tank sounds like a typical DLC pack 1 type of ish. We've barely got any content it's just been drip feed. The original trilogy still has the advantage in almost everything but reinforcements.

    The problem is is that before the Gamescom announcement/CT, F8RGE had said that he thought there would be something to keep everyone happy in the CT. So most assumed it would be a little something for each era. Instead we have 90% PT, and the rest ST.

    OT has a Luke skin. Are they suggesting that 1 skin will placate all those who want to see something else? :joy:

    At this point I am looking forward more to the Ep 9 stuff

    Eras aside, there was no SA content announced. I have been waiting for more SA content since the poor excuse for Hero SA was introduced. The only modes that get less love than SA are Extraction and Strike. Extraction has had ZERO additional maps released. So "something for everyone" means nothing if you play SA, Extraction, or Strike. I'm not a huge Strike fan, but I have the ability to recognize when something isn't getting love, even if I don't play it. Extraction is an amazing mode as well, it DESERVES more maps. It doesn't even have the SA built-in excuse that "Criterion isn't involved anymore." All I'm asking for anymore is a re-work to Hero SA (which was introduced long after Criterion left the building), that would make the mode playable like HvV.

    "Something for everyone" did not include "everyone."

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    ... hm

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