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Was there ever a time in this game where to light side was better than the dark side?

I believe that the light side sucks right now and the dark side is stronger than them. Has the light side ever been stronger than the dark side?
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  • Feelee16
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    edited February 14
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    Anakin was powerful at first
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  • Well I mean depends on the Mode. GA? Yes. HvV? No. In terms of average strength across the board, heroes have pretty much always been carried by someone. It used to be Chewie, then it was Obi Wan, then Anakin, and now Luke.
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  • As far as HvV is concerned the LS was only better when BF2015 launched. Over all of this game's life span and most of last game's lifespan, the DS has been better.
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  • buff
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    i figured out the hero formula for this game, both light and dark have a severe advantage over the other , here it is.

    Darkside- power, they are well overpowered compared to the light

    lightside- annoyance, they are well overannoying compared to the dark

    darkside- better character choices, more unique and viable character options, no "bad" choices, powers are more fleshed out , unique and useable

    lightside- everyone has force push, too may blasters, too many aoe low cooldown stun, saber spam , annoying character options, cookie cutter sabers with exception of rey, rey is the most annoying character with the most annoying move set in any game ever made( but i give credit on her design..least she isnt a forcepush queen like the rest)

    yoda is not apart of this, cause awesome the grandmaster is....a powerful sith he would be
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  • Launch Anakin


    This right here
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  • Launch Anakin
    Mrcjames31 wrote: »
    Launch Anakin


    This right here

    DS was still better in HvV with launch Ani.

    While Ani was nuts, the rest of the roster still wasn’t that great.
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  • Launch Anakin
    Mrcjames31 wrote: »
    Launch Anakin


    This right here

    DS was still better in HvV with launch Ani.

    While Ani was nuts, the rest of the roster still wasn’t that great.

    Yeah pretty much, LS had to be hard carried by Anakin.
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  • buff
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    yeah, just kill everyone else...similar to how i play on the ls now, ignore vader kill everyone else, or leave if someone is on the bot
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  • When anakin was released the lightside was better.
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    darkside will always be stronger in games, theres no way it wont be...that isnt on the devs, thats on Lucas.

    unless you read the books, jedi are weak compared to the sith...

    darkside- force lightning, force choke, throw lightsabers, enraged lightsaber attacks
    lightside- search feeling, force push, force pull, convince others to look for other droids

    not alot of contest between them when adapted for a video game...force lightning and choke are gonna be better than a push

    they look cooler, act meaner, move sets usualy compliment this...going back to early star wars games
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  • Another vote for launch Anakin. Coming in at level 1 and annihilating the whole squad
  • When anakin was released the lightside was better.

    Was it though? It was more like
    When Anakin was released, nobody was better.
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  • UhOhItsJus wrote: »
    Another vote for launch Anakin. Coming in at level 1 and annihilating the whole squad

    This only happened against poor players.

    Within HvV, it’s very easy to simply stop attacking Ani during HM. Frenzy was the only ability that could get you into trouble.
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  • buff
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    launch anakin was tough, but i still won as dark more than not
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    When anakin was released the lightside was better.

    Was it though? It was more like
    When Anakin was released, nobody was better.

    Shoot I'd say so retribution was able to be charge faster & while using heroic. Heroic did 400 damage aww man cant begin to tell how many 40 kill games I had & won with dudes who had less than 10
  • Empire_TW wrote: »
    As far as HvV is concerned the LS was only better when BF2015 launched. Over all of this game's life span and most of last game's lifespan, the DS has been better.

    .....except Anakin at Launch. You could take on DS single handed with Launch Anakin in HvV.

    That was the reason they made launch anakin so POWERFUL because the LS needed a buff to be more powerful.....they even stated this in some of their old posts and community transmissions and such. Since they couldn't work to give everyone on LS a buff and improvements all at once, they focused it all on Anakin because they were working on Anakin at the time and had a limited crew.

    But as can be seen with 6-7 nerfs he has received thus far, the LS is back to being garbage again because they nerfed the only thing that was slightly balancing the LS....Anakin. On top of that they still haven't buffed the blaster heroes in forever, and they over nerfed or implemented poor nerfs for most of the jedi. Yes they have buffed Luke to help, but luke isn't as strong as Launch anakin.
  • buff wrote: »
    launch anakin was tough, but i still won as dark more than not

    Launch Anakin in the right hands was almost unstoppable.....especially with effective teams.


    yeah if he was playing solo you could eventually wear his health down to kill him, but a good solo Launch anakin could take down a lot of people before that happened.
  • buff
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    buff wrote: »
    launch anakin was tough, but i still won as dark more than not

    Launch Anakin in the right hands was almost unstoppable.....especially with effective teams.


    yeah if he was playing solo you could eventually wear his health down to kill him, but a good solo Launch anakin could take down a lot of people before that happened.

    i avoided him, killed his team mates, similar to what i do against darkside and vader
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  • buff
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    speaking of launch anakin...who greenlighted that...has to be same one that said " community keeps asking for windu, quigon, ashoka and ventress...well we heard you loud and clear....heres 2 stupid droids"
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  • When the LS had launch Anakin + Kenobi with his 80% DR glitch
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  • buff wrote: »
    launch anakin was tough, but i still won as dark more than not

    Launch Anakin in the right hands was almost unstoppable.....especially with effective teams.


    yeah if he was playing solo you could eventually wear his health down to kill him, but a good solo Launch anakin could take down a lot of people before that happened.

    Ehhh. I would say he was relatively easier to play around, once people learned not to attack during HM, he simply was more like Vader, getting caught by him equaled death.
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  • UhOhItsJus wrote: »
    Another vote for launch Anakin. Coming in at level 1 and annihilating the whole squad

    This only happened against poor players.

    Within HvV, it’s very easy to simply stop attacking Ani during HM. Frenzy was the only ability that could get you into trouble.

    Nah it use to do a lot more and could be used to jump in front of some one that was attacking someone else absorb their damage and dish it out quickly back to them and almost kill them. Even good and decent players would get caught in these situations with retribution and heroic might "blocks". They could be activated instantaneously and couldn't be deactivated except with Iden and phasma stuns.

    Almost got Anakin.....nope he goes into snowflake-fetal-mode psotion and you can't damage him. This then allows him to regen stamina and dodges and gives a change for his teammates to rejoin.
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    Once they did change those abilities a little with the first nerfs .... the Biggest issue has always been and still is the chaining of abilities with high damage. Plus fastest dodges that also regen fast, and he is unexposed for the entire duration of dodge to force powers and similar attacks.

    You couldn't get behind him because his dodges and dodge regen where so high and so fast. Plus whenever you did he would already dodge and if you all timed it perfectly to deplete his dodges and then attack from behind......he could still heroic might knock you off your feet from behind and then he will have gained dodges back to dodge again nor stamina to block.


    The only way to get him for a while was to use blaster hero abilities that go through block and continue to damage during most of the duration of dodge, so that way if there is even a window to do damage on him during his dodge you could do it. I still am unconvinced that you can do any damage to him during at part of his dodge animation, like you can do to other heroes during their dodge animations.
  • Anakin at Launch was definitely OP and was definitely a problem even for good teams. Yes they could generally get past him eventually, but he was a Beast and that was intentionally done by Dice to try and attempt to achieve Balance by making one hero MEGA-OP.

    Again they only had limited people as the crew from Battlefield hadn't come back yet. Their only option to balance the game was to make the things they were working on OP to try and balance the game because they didn't have the man power to go and balance a ton of things individually.
  • Like everyone else is saying, Anakin's launch and the following months was the probably the most balanced period in HvV. It was also around the time Yoda got his block, a swing speed increase, and more. Luke got his damage and swing speed increased and his Repulse animation got sped up. At the same time, Grievous was pretty much broken. His abilities didn't work more often than not. Bossk became less of a threat thanks to Anakin, Phasma wasn't as effective and Dooku lost his advantage when Lightsaber damage got increased across the board. I'm not sure when exactly it started tilting back in the DS favor. Grievous eventually got all of his abilities fixed, Kylo got his new Frenzy when Anakin came out so he was already good. Yoda got nerfed hard and Rey started being more irrelevant as each month passed. Finally Obi-Wan's RMT got nerfed hard as well. I could do a timeline to see the improvements each hero got I'm not sure that will tell us much.
  • Raices
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    There was a moment when Yoda, Luke and Anakin were around the same level in HvV, during that time it was pretty close.
  • buff wrote: »
    darkside will always be stronger in games, theres no way it wont be...that isnt on the devs, thats on Lucas.

    unless you read the books, jedi are weak compared to the sith...

    [...]

    they look cooler, act meaner, move sets usualy compliment this...going back to early star wars games

    Not really. based only on movies alone

    - Luke claps Vader in ROTJ
    - A barely trained Luke landed a hit on Vader's arm in ESB
    - Obi Wan stalemated Vader until he threw to become a ghost in ANH
    - Obi Wan wins out against Darth Vader in ROTS by forcing him into a favorable area
    - Mace defeats Sidious and disarms him in ROTS
    - Yoda destroys Sidious in the saber fight, forcing Sidious to backpedal and win only by luck of the pods
    - Grievous, albeit not a Force user, was Sith trained to an extent. Loss to Kenobi in ROTS
    - Anakin claps Dooku hard in ROTS
    - Yoda defeats Dooku in AOTC

    A seasoned and highly renowned Dooku beating a less experienced Kenobi, who was trained by Qui Gon: Dooku's apprentice, and teenage Anakin isn't exactly the biggest accomplishment based on the movies alone.

    Only fair supporting instance is Maul winning against Qui Gon after separating his padawan, then beating his padawan (and losing to stupidity)

    Other than Maul the aberration, most of the Jedi losses are out of inexperience

    And now he felt her, really felt her in the Force; He felt a bond, deeper and more intimate than he’d ever had before; and for a precious eternal instant he was her. . . 

    he was the beat of her heart and he was the motion of her lips. He was her soft words as though she spoke a prayer to the stars— I love you, Anakin. In life, and in death, we will always be one. I am yours


  • buff wrote: »
    darkside- force lightning, force choke, throw lightsabers, enraged lightsaber attacks
    lightside- search feeling, force push, force pull, convince others to look for other droids
    [...]
    not alot of contest between them when adapted for a video game...force lightning and choke are gonna be better than a push

    Not true

    Jedi Academy: the Jedi completely negate Sith lightning, Chokes, Drains via popping Force Absorb. And Force Protect was a pretty OP overshield that negated most damage from lightsabers, while the dark side drain ate the health points and made them weaker.

    KOTOR: Light side builds were always much more powerful because Darth Malak and Star Forge Sith would spam dark side powers / Force Immunity

    And Force Wave could do almost everything Force lightning could on top of buffs. (Consulars didn't have problems using either side's powers anyway)
    - And Light side buffs were broken overpowered. Force Valor adds a +5 to all stats. Force Shield stacked defense.

    And your comparisons don't make sense. What is "search feelings"?

    Dark siders can use Force enraged attacks. Lightsiders can use Empty Meditation or Force Valor, which is basically a similar kind of power that is less taxing on their psyche/ power reserves

    Lightsaber throw is not a dark side ability

    Explain how lightning and Choke are deadlier than Force pushes and Pulls. Landing a Force push at the level of physics Luke's stronger push, for example, hits could liquify an opponent's organs and fracture their bones on impact

    Lightning is negatable by Force Barriers and Force Absorb which basic Jedi use.

    And now he felt her, really felt her in the Force; He felt a bond, deeper and more intimate than he’d ever had before; and for a precious eternal instant he was her. . . 

    he was the beat of her heart and he was the motion of her lips. He was her soft words as though she spoke a prayer to the stars— I love you, Anakin. In life, and in death, we will always be one. I am yours


  • LS has pretty well always been in better in GA. Finn, Yoda, and reinforcements are the reasons why.

    For HvV, DS has always been better. There have been times where the sides were closer to even. Before Ani was nerfed 50 times, when Yoda worked, and before DS got needless buffs, the sides were actually pretty close.

    Light side was so good at launch they had to do the health stacking nerf so DS could actually have a chance to win GA matches. Death Star, Naboo, Kamino and starkiller base were like impossible on DS. Oh Hoth too
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  • MC_XIX
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    In GA, the LS has always been superior due to the team buffing abilities and the fact that its easier to defend an objective than capture it.

    In HvV, the DS has had the upper hand for about 65% of the game's life so far. The LS was definitely better when Anakin was released, because Anakin could legitimately 1v4 the DS and win every time thanks to his outrageous damage output and health. For me, the DS has nothing that comes close to launch Anakin. I also think the LS was slightly better at launch when Rey was absurdly OP & combat roll was better. The rest of the time, the DS has been a little more powerful because the characters are easier to use and they have better CC abilities.
  • buff
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    edited February 14
    buff wrote: »
    darkside will always be stronger in games, theres no way it wont be...that isnt on the devs, thats on Lucas.

    unless you read the books, jedi are weak compared to the sith...

    [...]

    they look cooler, act meaner, move sets usualy compliment this...going back to early star wars games

    Not really. based only on movies alone

    - Luke claps Vader in ROTJ
    - A barely trained Luke landed a hit on Vader's arm in ESB
    - Obi Wan stalemated Vader until he threw to become a ghost in ANH
    - Obi Wan wins out against Darth Vader in ROTS by forcing him into a favorable area
    - Mace defeats Sidious and disarms him in ROTS
    - Yoda destroys Sidious in the saber fight, forcing Sidious to backpedal and win only by luck of the pods
    - Grievous, albeit not a Force user, was Sith trained to an extent. Loss to Kenobi in ROTS
    - Anakin claps Dooku hard in ROTS
    - Yoda defeats Dooku in AOTC

    A seasoned and highly renowned Dooku beating a less experienced Kenobi, who was trained by Qui Gon: Dooku's apprentice, and teenage Anakin isn't exactly the biggest accomplishment based on the movies alone.

    Only fair supporting instance is Maul winning against Qui Gon after separating his padawan, then beating his padawan (and losing to stupidity)

    Other than Maul the aberration, most of the Jedi losses are out of inexperience

    yes, thats the movies, im talking video games, and turning the powers the sith and jedi use into VIDEO GAME powers.....the sith always have better VIDEO GAME powers....their powers are more devestating, they look meaner, they act more savage. so when translated over to VIDEO GAMES the darkside is better, this has been the case in almost all star wars games
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  • buff wrote: »
    darkside- force lightning, force choke, throw lightsabers, enraged lightsaber attacks
    lightside- search feeling, force push, force pull, convince others to look for other droids
    [...]
    not alot of contest between them when adapted for a video game...force lightning and choke are gonna be better than a push

    Not true

    Jedi Academy: the Jedi completely negate Sith lightning, Chokes, Drains via popping Force Absorb. And Force Protect was a pretty OP overshield that negated most damage from lightsabers, while the dark side drain ate the health points and made them weaker.

    KOTOR: Light side builds were always much more powerful because Darth Malak and Star Forge Sith would spam dark side powers / Force Immunity

    And Force Wave could do almost everything Force lightning could on top of buffs. (Consulars didn't have problems using either side's powers anyway)
    - And Light side buffs were broken overpowered. Force Valor adds a +5 to all stats. Force Shield stacked defense.

    And your comparisons don't make sense. What is "search feelings"?

    Dark siders can use Force enraged attacks. Lightsiders can use Empty Meditation or Force Valor, which is basically a similar kind of power that is less taxing on their psyche/ power reserves

    Lightsaber throw is not a dark side ability

    Explain how lightning and Choke are deadlier than Force pushes and Pulls. Landing a Force push at the level of physics Luke's stronger push, for example, hits could liquify an opponent's organs and fracture their bones on impact

    Lightning is negatable by Force Barriers and Force Absorb which basic Jedi use.

    u guys actually read my post...i said whats SEEN on movies and how it translates to games..yes the jedi have cool stuff in the books, but it IS NOT translated onto film well..however the darkside stuff is...HENCE it translates over to video games better, and usually is stronger
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  • DiamondxStyles
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    edited February 14
    buff wrote: »
    buff wrote: »
    darkside will always be stronger in games, theres no way it wont be...that isnt on the devs, thats on Lucas.

    unless you read the books, jedi are weak compared to the sith...

    [...]

    they look cooler, act meaner, move sets usualy compliment this...going back to early star wars games

    Not really. based only on movies alone

    - Luke claps Vader in ROTJ
    - A barely trained Luke landed a hit on Vader's arm in ESB
    - Obi Wan stalemated Vader until he threw to become a ghost in ANH
    - Obi Wan wins out against Darth Vader in ROTS by forcing him into a favorable area
    - Mace defeats Sidious and disarms him in ROTS
    - Yoda destroys Sidious in the saber fight, forcing Sidious to backpedal and win only by luck of the pods
    - Grievous, albeit not a Force user, was Sith trained to an extent. Loss to Kenobi in ROTS
    - Anakin claps Dooku hard in ROTS
    - Yoda defeats Dooku in AOTC

    A seasoned and highly renowned Dooku beating a less experienced Kenobi, who was trained by Qui Gon: Dooku's apprentice, and teenage Anakin isn't exactly the biggest accomplishment based on the movies alone.

    Only fair supporting instance is Maul winning against Qui Gon after separating his padawan, then beating his padawan (and losing to stupidity)

    Other than Maul the aberration, most of the Jedi losses are out of inexperience

    yes, thats the movies

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    Except right here you quite literally said Lucas is somehow responsible for a balance change done in a game released a few years ago. Lucas is responsible for the Movies only.
    buff wrote: »
    im talking video games, and turning the powers the sith and jedi use into VIDEO GAME powers.....the sith always have better VIDEO GAME powers....their powers are more devestating, they look meaner, they act more savage. so when translated over to VIDEO GAMES the darkside is better, this has been the case in almost all star wars games

    And I have made it quite evident that this is false using two of the most popular "Jedi and Sith" oriented games of the early 2000's

    Jedi have the better powers

    And now he felt her, really felt her in the Force; He felt a bond, deeper and more intimate than he’d ever had before; and for a precious eternal instant he was her. . . 

    he was the beat of her heart and he was the motion of her lips. He was her soft words as though she spoke a prayer to the stars— I love you, Anakin. In life, and in death, we will always be one. I am yours


  • buff wrote: »
    buff wrote: »
    darkside- force lightning, force choke, throw lightsabers, enraged lightsaber attacks
    lightside- search feeling, force push, force pull, convince others to look for other droids
    [...]
    not alot of contest between them when adapted for a video game...force lightning and choke are gonna be better than a push

    Not true

    Jedi Academy: the Jedi completely negate Sith lightning, Chokes, Drains via popping Force Absorb. And Force Protect was a pretty OP overshield that negated most damage from lightsabers, while the dark side drain ate the health points and made them weaker.

    KOTOR: Light side builds were always much more powerful because Darth Malak and Star Forge Sith would spam dark side powers / Force Immunity

    And Force Wave could do almost everything Force lightning could on top of buffs. (Consulars didn't have problems using either side's powers anyway)
    - And Light side buffs were broken overpowered. Force Valor adds a +5 to all stats. Force Shield stacked defense.

    And your comparisons don't make sense. What is "search feelings"?

    Dark siders can use Force enraged attacks. Lightsiders can use Empty Meditation or Force Valor, which is basically a similar kind of power that is less taxing on their psyche/ power reserves

    Lightsaber throw is not a dark side ability

    Explain how lightning and Choke are deadlier than Force pushes and Pulls. Landing a Force push at the level of physics Luke's stronger push, for example, hits could liquify an opponent's organs and fracture their bones on impact

    Lightning is negatable by Force Barriers and Force Absorb which basic Jedi use.

    u guys actually read my post...i said whats SEEN on movies and how it translates to games..yes the jedi have cool stuff in the books, but it IS NOT translated onto film well..however the darkside stuff is...HENCE it translates over to video games better, and usually is stronger

    Then why do Jedi Academy and KOTOR Jedi have equal or stronger builds than Sith powers if the dark side stuff supposedly translates to a game better?

    And please explain how organ liquifying levels of telekinesis should not be as fatal as any lightning if it breaks through a Force barrier?

    And now he felt her, really felt her in the Force; He felt a bond, deeper and more intimate than he’d ever had before; and for a precious eternal instant he was her. . . 

    he was the beat of her heart and he was the motion of her lips. He was her soft words as though she spoke a prayer to the stars— I love you, Anakin. In life, and in death, we will always be one. I am yours


  • UhOhItsJus wrote: »
    Another vote for launch Anakin. Coming in at level 1 and annihilating the whole squad

    This only happened against poor players.

    Within HvV, it’s very easy to simply stop attacking Ani during HM. Frenzy was the only ability that could get you into trouble.

    @SadderJoker would have to disagree here. Every ability was a knockdown plus he had better stamina than now and super ranges on default abilities. Average players who would block and spam abilities were now performing much much better as ani
  • Would agree with the launch Anakin comments as when the LS was stronger, even if it was a relatively short period of time. Coordinated DS teams definitely won, but, on average, LS was winning the overwhelming majority of the HvV matches I was in on the PS4. I've generally considered the PS4 to be relatively balanced in that mode with the DS winning about 55-60% of the time or so, but at that time it seemed like 80-20 in the LS's favor. It actually caused me to stop playing for awhile.
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  • Is that a serious question? Did you NOT play the game when Anakin was first released?
  • Alexios431 wrote: »
    I believe that the light side sucks right now and the dark side is stronger than them. Has the light side ever been stronger than the dark side?
    From day one to SWBF2 release in Nov 2017. I used to keep them with a shot leash using Chewbacca. With Anakin V1 was possible too. When Lando was capable to killing Vader in 1v1. Lando was also great in GA and HvV. Until they got nerfed to the ground excepting Anakin. You could thank Bad Saberlord players in general for complaining a lot against hero shooters.
  • Clone201
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    The Light Side were better in the early Roger, Roger update in the saber hero only event.

    Yoda Unleash was glitched so it could always damage through blocks.

    Luke at the fastest swing speed along with 180 damage per swing with Intensify.

    Further more, the Light Side generally has more stamina (with a few abilities star cards in mind), faster stamina regen, faster swing speed, and saber tracking on average. With the absolutely insane hit registration during that update, their saber spam was extremely annoying and really hard to avoid.

    On the other side, Count Dooku was broken as his duelist did not work half the time.
    Man! Could this game get any more broken?
  • gospa55350 wrote: »
    Alexios431 wrote: »
    I believe that the light side sucks right now and the dark side is stronger than them. Has the light side ever been stronger than the dark side?
    From day one to SWBF2 release in Nov 2017. I used to keep them with a shot leash using Chewbacca. With Anakin V1 was possible too. When Lando was capable to killing Vader in 1v1. Lando was also great in GA and HvV. Until they got nerfed to the ground excepting Anakin. You could thank Bad Saberlord players in general for complaining a lot against hero shooters.

    How was Lando capable of killing vader and what made him so good in GA?
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  • I'd say they're practically equal right now.
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  • Alexios431 wrote: »
    gospa55350 wrote: »
    Alexios431 wrote: »
    I believe that the light side sucks right now and the dark side is stronger than them. Has the light side ever been stronger than the dark side?
    From day one to SWBF2 release in Nov 2017. I used to keep them with a shot leash using Chewbacca. With Anakin V1 was possible too. When Lando was capable to killing Vader in 1v1. Lando was also great in GA and HvV. Until they got nerfed to the ground excepting Anakin. You could thank Bad Saberlord players in general for complaining a lot against hero shooters.

    How was Lando capable of killing vader and what made him so good in GA?

    His freeze capability was kinda long and anybody capable of shooting fast would take a Vader with full health down in like 3 seconds.
  • Alexios431 wrote: »
    gospa55350 wrote: »
    Alexios431 wrote: »
    I believe that the light side sucks right now and the dark side is stronger than them. Has the light side ever been stronger than the dark side?
    From day one to SWBF2 release in Nov 2017. I used to keep them with a shot leash using Chewbacca. With Anakin V1 was possible too. When Lando was capable to killing Vader in 1v1. Lando was also great in GA and HvV. Until they got nerfed to the ground excepting Anakin. You could thank Bad Saberlord players in general for complaining a lot against hero shooters.

    How was Lando capable of killing vader and what made him so good in GA?

    @Alexios431 his stun ability used to last a good amount longer. Long enough to cause idk 750-1000 damage when spamming shoot on the enemies head close range. Kylos freeze and chewies stun grenade both also lasted longer. there was one update a while ago where they nerfed the duration of every stun iirc. idens was still funky tho as she went thru a couple reforms of how her stun droid works. at one point it stunned people twice, 1 second apart
  • polarition wrote: »
    I'd say they're practically equal right now.

    Lmao no
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