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Saber91
1021 posts Member
im not here to chastise you. im not here to say youre wrong. we all have opinions.

BUT

i am genuinely curious why those of you who like the new trilogy disney star wars movies like them.

in my opinion theyre blatant cash grabs with horrible character development/interaction/and plot. they ruined luke skywalkers character. have an obvious SJW theme going on. the fact that rey doesnt have any relation to anyone who matters is ridiculous and a let down. the fact that han solo and leia managed to screw up their force sensitive son so bad that he turned sith. the fact that han solo died in the crappiest dramatic way possible (he should have gone out in a blaze of glory in the millenium falcon)..... need i go on? theres so many more things wrong with these films.

i just dont understand how anyone can actually enjoy these films and call them worthy of the Star Wars license.

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  • It's just taste I guess. I feel like overall the trilogy is still better than the prequels but I hated TLJ. If stories that make sense are important to you, SW probably isn't your thing. I mean George Lucas decided to have advanced civilizations capable of interstellar flight duke it out with WW2 era dogfights and infantry...doesn't. make. sense.
  • HansTheBest
    1120 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    No I'm saying that civilizations as advanced as one would have to be to be capable of hyperspace travel, wouldn't have pilots flying around in expensive death boxes. Everything would be AI or use advanced system controllers ala Ender's Game (but most like AI would control everything). Everything about war in SW is bass-ackwards. Have you ever noticed that their missles are incredibly slow and miss half of the time? Every weapon sucks.
  • I can't get into them because of their decision to make it another Empire vs Rebellion dynamic. I also can't stand how they did Han and Luke of course. The fact we never got the entire OT crew reunited IMO is one of the biggest teases in cinema history. Everyone wanted to see that, and instead got treated to Han getting killed in the most predictable way, and Luke being absent with no lines. Then there's Hermit Luke lol

    The bottom line is they bought into prequel hate which is a vocal minority. So they wanted to "bring the fun back" and soft rebooted the franchise. Taken as a stand alone trilogy, this might be good. But as Episode 7-9 that are supposed to continue the Skywalker saga? These are bad.
  • No I'm saying that civilizations as advanced as one would have to be to be capable of hyperspace travel, wouldn't have pilots flying around in expensive death boxes. Everything would be AI or use advanced system controllers ala Ender's Game (but most like AI would control everything). Everything about war in SW is bass-ackwards. Have you ever noticed that their missles are incredibly slow and miss half of the time? Every weapon sucks.

    I guess Dice got the weapons right after all in BF2017 :joy:
  • Devlin21
    8328 posts Member
    I don't like them.
    I hate the fact that rey is so powerful and she had hardly any training

    And luke wasnt. LOL.
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  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    No I'm saying that civilizations as advanced as one would have to be to be capable of hyperspace travel, wouldn't have pilots flying around in expensive death boxes. Everything would be AI or use advanced system controllers ala Ender's Game (but most like AI would control everything). Everything about war in SW is bass-ackwards. Have you ever noticed that their missles are incredibly slow and miss half of the time? Every weapon sucks.

    yeah thats true. a civilization that advanced would be using AI. but then again, thats what the prequels are about. the separatists used droids as soldiers. and the republic used a bunch of clones. so in that regard the prequels kind of make sense of a civilization like that.
  • It's just so devoid of new ideas. Blatantly ripping off the OT. Pass
  • Saber91 wrote: »
    No I'm saying that civilizations as advanced as one would have to be to be capable of hyperspace travel, wouldn't have pilots flying around in expensive death boxes. Everything would be AI or use advanced system controllers ala Ender's Game (but most like AI would control everything). Everything about war in SW is bass-ackwards. Have you ever noticed that their missles are incredibly slow and miss half of the time? Every weapon sucks.

    yeah thats true. a civilization that advanced would be using AI. but then again, thats what the prequels are about. the separatists used droids as soldiers. and the republic used a bunch of clones. so in that regard the prequels kind of make sense of a civilization like that.

    But in a civilization that was sufficiently advanced Robots would be so much more advanced then that. DARPA already has very articulate robots and we aren't anywhere near that level of technology. In fact, it's probably not even possible to achieve that level of technology. So to have a bunch of can't hit the broadside of a barn robots is kind of ridiculous. But that's not really the point. Robots are still infantry. It's an outdated method of war even in our time. The nuke has rendered massive armies useless. That's why you've never seen nuclear powers mount large offenses against each other. Oh you have 300,000 soldiers on the front? Now you have 0.
  • Basically, I feel like I'm waiting around for this trilogy to be done with, so then we can get on with the real story lol
  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    It's not possible for me to take the First Order seriously at all. I'm supposed to believe the Imperial remnant fled to the Unknown Regions, and somehow managed to come back with Starkiller Base, a fleet of massive Star Destroyers, Dreadnaughts, and Snoke's 60fm wide Mega Star Destroyer? LOL And with no one knowing about it?

    And of course the New Republic completely disarms their military, and really has nothing to show for the decades they have had control. One blast from Starkiller base and they are done lol. Come on. It's all a completely forced story plot that my guess is they will never fully explain.

    I KNOW RIGHT? like where the hell did the first order get all those resources? they were done for. youre right it is completely forced and just shows what happens when a franchise is in the wrong hands. Lucas should have never sold the rights and should have done 3 more movies. hes probably going to live until 90 something.
  • Out of all of it I think the majority like Ren's conflict, at least I do. Everyone else is sort of throwaway material but I do hope PETA Rose is in the cards for new content, she is the da best lol. Chrome Dome would have meant something if they used that deleted scene, it had more impact and Ryan tossed it aside. boo.
  • I like this thread. Disney is ***** up
  • Out of all of it I think the majority like Ren's conflict, at least I do. Everyone else is sort of throwaway material but I do hope PETA Rose is in the cards for new content, she is the da best lol. Chrome Dome would have meant something if they used that deleted scene, it had more impact and Ryan tossed it aside. boo.

    That scene was the stupidest scene in the whole movie. I'm so glad it got cut. It was not dramatic at all and Finn is not a badass. He hasn't done anything great in any of these movies.
  • IG88VSBossk
    935 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    Out of all of it I think the majority like Ren's conflict, at least I do. Everyone else is sort of throwaway material but I do hope PETA Rose is in the cards for new content, she is the da best lol. Chrome Dome would have meant something if they used that deleted scene, it had more impact and Ryan tossed it aside. boo.

    That scene was the **** scene in the whole movie. I'm so glad it got cut. It was not dramatic at all and Finn is not a badass. He hasn't done anything great in any of these movies.

    Never said Finn was a badass :joy: I think I was Finn once in BF2
  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    mastery0ta wrote: »
    I like this thread. Disney is **** up

    yeah they are, but again this is Lucas' fault for selling star wars. but its also disneys fault for not listening to his guidance and shooing him away.
  • Saber91 wrote: »
    im not here to chastise you. im not here to say youre wrong. we all have opinions.

    BUT

    i am genuinely curious why those of you who like the new trilogy disney star wars movies like them.

    in my opinion theyre blatant cash grabs with horrible character development/interaction/and plot. they ruined luke skywalkers character. have an obvious SJW theme going on. the fact that rey doesnt have any relation to anyone who matters is ridiculous and a let down. the fact that han solo and leia managed to screw up their force sensitive son so bad that he turned sith. the fact that han solo died in the crappiest dramatic way possible (he should have gone out in a blaze of glory in the millenium falcon)..... need i go on? theres so many more things wrong with these films.

    i just dont understand how anyone can actually enjoy these films and call them worthy of the Star Wars license.

    I agree but kylo is no sith he's a crybaby the sith in the past would of ate him for breakfast.
  • ArchAngeL_777
    1798 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    After the Rebels finale, I did have a pretty cool thought. Maybe too cool for the script J. J. Abrams apparently has for Episode IX.

    STAR WARS REBELS SPOILERS AHEAD:


    <spoiler>
    So at the end we see Thrawn and Ezra taken off into hyperspace. The Epilogue shows Sabine and Ahsoka leaving to go after Ezra. That's after OT events. What if none of them ever came back?

    So these allies that Leia is talking about in TLJ, could they be the Chiss? IF so it would be pretty cool if a Chiss fleet arrives in Episode IX with Ezra, Sabine, and Ahsoka. Maybe some Mandalorians too. They take care of the First Order Fleet. Ezra and Ahsoka help Rey take care of Kylo Ren and his Knights of Ren. The New Republic is re-established. Ezra and Ahsoka stay to help Rey rebuild the Jedi Order. Maybe Ezra and Sabine are married with a couple of twenty-something Jedi kids to help too lol. That's an Episode IX I think would be really cool. </spoiler>
  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    Saber91 wrote: »
    im not here to chastise you. im not here to say youre wrong. we all have opinions.

    BUT

    i am genuinely curious why those of you who like the new trilogy disney star wars movies like them.

    in my opinion theyre blatant cash grabs with horrible character development/interaction/and plot. they ruined luke skywalkers character. have an obvious SJW theme going on. the fact that rey doesnt have any relation to anyone who matters is ridiculous and a let down. the fact that han solo and leia managed to screw up their force sensitive son so bad that he turned sith. the fact that han solo died in the crappiest dramatic way possible (he should have gone out in a blaze of glory in the millenium falcon)..... need i go on? theres so many more things wrong with these films.

    i just dont understand how anyone can actually enjoy these films and call them worthy of the Star Wars license.

    I agree but kylo is no sith he's a crybaby the sith in the past would of ate him for breakfast.

    yeah true. i just think its complete ***** how han solo and leia, with the HELP of luke skywalker managed to not raise him to be a good strong jedi. it makes 0 sense lol. and the whole thing about luke trying to kill him in his sleep is beyond ridiculous.
  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    OOM19 wrote: »
    I think the real question is

    What is there even for me to like?

    absolutely nothing. maybe the weapons. but thats it.
  • Saber91 wrote: »
    mastery0ta wrote: »
    I like this thread. Disney is **** up

    yeah they are, but again this is Lucas' fault for selling star wars. but its also disneys fault for not listening to his guidance and shooing him away.

    There's plenty of blame to go around I agree lol let me say I do love rogue one. Maybe if they'd get some non hacks to direct we'd be okay. Too late now tho. Really don't give a ***** what jar jar abrahms does to 9. No more movie tickets, illegal streaming is the way to go. ***** Disney
  • After the Rebels finale, I did have a pretty cool thought. Maybe too cool for the script J. J. Abrams apparently has for Episode IX.

    STAR WARS REBELS SPOILERS AHEAD:

    So at the end we see Thrawn and Ezra taken off into hyperspace. The Epilogue shows Sabine and Ahsoka leaving to go after Ezra. That's after OT events. What if none of them ever came back?

    So these allies that Leia is talking about in TLJ, could they be the Chiss? IF so it would be pretty cool if a Chiss fleet arrives in Episode IX with Ezra, Sabine, and Ahsoka. Maybe some Mandalorians too. They take care of the First Order Fleet. Ezra and Ahsoka help Rey take care of Kylo Ren and his Knights of Ren. The New Republic is re-established. Ezra and Ahsoka stay to help Rey rebuild the Jedi Order. Maybe Ezra and Sabine are married with a couple of twenty-something Jedi kids to help too lol. That's an Episode IX I think would be really cool.
  • HansTheBest
    1120 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    Out of all of it I think the majority like Ren's conflict, at least I do. Everyone else is sort of throwaway material but I do hope PETA Rose is in the cards for new content, she is the da best lol. Chrome Dome would have meant something if they used that deleted scene, it had more impact and Ryan tossed it aside. boo.

    That scene was the **** scene in the whole movie. I'm so glad it got cut. It was not dramatic at all and Finn is not a badass. He hasn't done anything great in any of these movies.

    Never said Finn was a badass :joy: I think I was Finn once in BF2

    I'm just saying that a scene where he acts all bad in front of Phasma doesn't fit with his character. The scared little runaway.
  • They entertain me even with the plot holes. My kids absolutely love the new movies (They are 13 and 11) so I can enjoy Star Wars with them at the theaters. I don't expect them to be like the ones I grew up with so my expectations are lower. Also, Rey is hot....
  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    mastery0ta wrote: »
    Saber91 wrote: »
    mastery0ta wrote: »
    I like this thread. Disney is **** up

    yeah they are, but again this is Lucas' fault for selling star wars. but its also disneys fault for not listening to his guidance and shooing him away.

    There's plenty of blame to go around I agree lol let me say I do love rogue one. Maybe if they'd get some non hacks to direct we'd be okay. Too late now tho. Really don't give a **** what jar jar abrahms does to 9. No more movie tickets, illegal streaming is the way to go. **** Disney

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    i aint paying money for those trashy movies. in fact last jedi just came out on digital release so ill get to finally see it and how bad it is via streaming once someone uploads it.

    come to think of it most movies these days arent worth spending money on. movies used to be so good now theyre all ripoffs. every once in a while a good one comes along though.
  • I loved TFA even tho it was a rehashed ANH, but man TLJ was God aweful I was so hyped for it wanted to love it left the theater hating 90% of it.
  • Apart from all the shallow "right on" progressive SJW stuff, the films suffer from the lack of any true antagonist. Kylo isn't threatening, Snoke was but is no longer. Thinking about it, cool villains have always been part of the draw for Star Wars Films.
  • OOM19
    2832 posts Member
    Anyway, I'm just going to back out of this thread right now

    You guys really don't wanna get me started on Rebels and TLJ

    Trust me

    You will regret it more then ever seeing those two shows
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  • The current atmosphere is to make profits. Not make experimental forays into film technology and mythos. These make profits. Star Wars was headed to be a flop from first edits without music. When Fox released Avatar they had a Chipmunks movie in the wings in case Avatar flopped. This movie was in the can at this point.

    They are stories that today’s movie goers can stomach. You forget that Jedi as superheroes and the white male has had his day at the movies unless he is the bad guy.

    Profits. Weak story that everyone can like. A peppering of bad guys and bad girls. Poor Domnall Gleason, he doesn’t realise that he is the SJW pincushion of new.

    Full disclosure, I freaking love Rogue One. TFA is ok, it has some great moments. Rey flying the Falcon on Jakku is dope. TLJ is meh. I like the Crait parts because I feel I have been there shooting all of you. But watch it again and there is literally no battle once the door is melted open.

    Where is my movie where it looks and feels like a level of BFII? Intensity, people dying everywhere. Objectives falling and being gained. I want some action. Not a superhero movie.

    TFA=7, TLJ=5, IX? I am unsure it will be more than a 4.
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  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    OOM19 wrote: »
    Anyway, I'm just going to back out of this thread right now

    You guys really don't wanna get me started on Rebels and TLJ

    Trust me

    You will regret it more then ever seeing those two shows

    no no no please share your thoughts. id like to read what you hate about em.

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  • I'm sure they appeal to the 25 and under crowd mostly. Phantom Menace was 19 years ago, so maybe a 24 or 25 year old kid was old enough to see that in the theater and remember it.

    Overall, I give Disney an A+ for what they've done within the framework Lucas already set up with Episodes I - VI:

    - Rogue One was excellent
    - Star Wars Rebels was excellent
    - most of the books and comics in this era have been good
    - Solo looks like it will be good
    - Rumors of an Obi-Wan movie starring Ewan McGregor have people hyped

    Its the post ROTJ content that's hurting bad. I give them a D for post ROTJ:

    - Aftermath Trilogy is terrible
    - Sequel Trilogy movies are basically rehashes of the OT. Not much expanation for it.
  • Out of all of it I think the majority like Ren's conflict, at least I do. Everyone else is sort of throwaway material but I do hope PETA Rose is in the cards for new content, she is the da best lol. Chrome Dome would have meant something if they used that deleted scene, it had more impact and Ryan tossed it aside. boo.

    That scene was the **** scene in the whole movie. I'm so glad it got cut. It was not dramatic at all and Finn is not a badass. He hasn't done anything great in any of these movies.

    Never said Finn was a badass :joy: I think I was Finn once in BF2

    I'm just saying that a scene where he acts all bad in front of Phasma doesn't fit with his character. The scared little runaway.

    Rian ruined finn. He had a chance for character growth after tfa and he decided to throw it all away for peta nonsense.there was another deleted scene of him I saw today that was... mostly godd and coulda added tension

    As much as i dont enjoy tfa, at least it set up a trilogy, and Ruin Johnson decided to do his own thing and butcher it all

    Totally agree.
  • Saber91
    1021 posts Member
    I'm sure they appeal to the 25 and under crowd mostly. Phantom Menace was 19 years ago, so maybe a 24 or 25 year old kid was old enough to see that in the theater and remember it.

    Overall, I give Disney an A+ for what they've done within the framework Lucas already set up with Episodes I - VI:

    - Rogue One was excellent
    - Star Wars Rebels was excellent
    - most of the books and comics in this era have been good
    - Solo looks like it will be good
    - Rumors of an Obi-Wan movie starring Ewan McGregor have people hyped

    Its the post ROTJ content that's hurting bad. I give them a D for post ROTJ:

    - Aftermath Trilogy is terrible
    - Sequel Trilogy movies are basically rehashes of the OT. Not much expanation for it.

    yeah the spinoff movies look good. hopefully they will keep that track record up.
  • I wouldn't pay money for it,
    i told my wife to get it for me on blue-ray for xmas but wait till it's in the bargain bin.

    Being a star wars fan i must have it, nice and safe still in the plastic.
  • t3hBar0n
    5001 posts Member
    Apart from all the shallow "right on" progressive SJW stuff, the films suffer from the lack of any true antagonist. Kylo isn't threatening, Snoke was but is no longer. Thinking about it, cool villains have always been part of the draw for Star Wars Films.

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    The principle reason we like movies like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings etc. is because it is good guys somehow overcoming overwhelmingly powerful adversaries through grit, teamwork, sacrifice, luck, etc. Vader is probably the best villain ever because he was unstoppable... we didn't know much about him, and he never lost a fight until the finale of the final original trilogy, and even then only when his son tapped into the darkside. Right now, we have little punk kylo who got slapped around by some random sand girl... and his master who couldn't even manage to tell his weak apprentice was going to betray him. No good bad guy = no compelling story.
  • It to me was a waste of great movie potential from Rian Johnson.
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  • They beat the hell out of the Prequels.

    But the eunuchs will ***** about it because of Rey.
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