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why do you like the new trilogy?

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  • SoggyCocoaPuffs
    209 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    I like them all, OT, Prequels, Sequels... all have flaws, all have good qualities in their own ways as well.
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  • SoggyCocoaPuffs
    209 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    Seriously... I just typed a big post for like 20 mins had to edit something and now it disappeared and said it had to be approved? tf lol I cant be bothered to type that up again.
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  • Seriously... I just typed a big post for like 20 mins had to edit something and now it disappeared and said it had to be approved? tf lol I cant be bothered to type that up again

    Don’t. It’ll reappear later this evening/in the morning.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Seriously... I just typed a big post for like 20 mins had to edit something and now it disappeared and said it had to be approved? tf lol I cant be bothered to type that up again

    Don’t. It’ll reappear later this evening/in the morning.

    Lol no way was I going to. It's like when you're writing a paper and your program stops responding and ya haven't saved at all... had that happened to me to many times. Dark times...
  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Seriously... I just typed a big post for like 20 mins had to edit something and now it disappeared and said it had to be approved? tf lol I cant be bothered to type that up again

    Don’t. It’ll reappear later this evening/in the morning.

    Lol no way was I going to. It's like when you're writing a paper and your program stops responding and ya haven't saved at all... had that happened to me to many times. Dark times...

    That would be the literal stuff of nightmares as my paper is due in a while and I write something up.
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  • GenxDarchi wrote: »
    GenxDarchi wrote: »
    Seriously... I just typed a big post for like 20 mins had to edit something and now it disappeared and said it had to be approved? tf lol I cant be bothered to type that up again

    Don’t. It’ll reappear later this evening/in the morning.

    Lol no way was I going to. It's like when you're writing a paper and your program stops responding and ya haven't saved at all... had that happened to me to many times. Dark times...

    That would be the literal stuff of nightmares as my paper is due in a while and I write something up.

    Every time that happens to me... I just can't... I can't be bothered to try and write again what I just spent like over an hour typing or at least not put as much effort in it the second time around. Especially if on a time crunch to hand a paper in.
  • greedo1980
    718 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    B_O_S_S_K wrote: »
    greedo1980 wrote: »

    Mos Eisley was never in The Phantom Menace.

    The name of the place is Mos Espa.



    I could have written that more clearly. I was more referencing Tatooine's place in the SW universe.

    I'm sorry that all you got out of my post was an opportunity to try to nit-pick.

    Your post focused quite a bit on the mischaracterisation of Mos Eisley and Tatooine in The Phantom Menace.

    Just thought the fact it wasn't the place you thought it was may have been of interest to you.

  • Uh, i don't.
  • I think there is a good explanation in the movies why Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA and be on par with him in TLJ as well without jedi training.

    When darkness rises, light rises aswell to counter it and vice versa. Both Snoke and Luke say this.There must always be a balance in the force.

    You really didn't need to explain that. We all caught it. It's just a stupid explanation by the writers. Inbalance to the force is exactly what creates tension and therefore drama. If Palps hadn't been able to blind the jedi, turn Anakin, takeover the known galaxy, and shoot lightning out of his friggin hands, there would have been no tension when Luke faced him. Just like there was no tension when Rey faced Snoke. We were all just waiting for her to open up a can of whoop-a.

    It is the inbalance to the force that creates the story. Without it, we don't need a chosen one to bring balance to the force. Neither Jedi or Sith come to control the galaxy. Nothing matters.


  • DarthJ
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    I think there is a good explanation in the movies why Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA and be on par with him in TLJ as well without jedi training.

    When darkness rises, light rises aswell to counter it and vice versa. Both Snoke and Luke say this.There must always be a balance in the force.

    You really didn't need to explain that. We all caught it. It's just a **** explanation by the writers. Inbalance to the force is exactly what creates tension and therefore drama. If Palps hadn't been able to blind the jedi, turn Anakin, takeover the known galaxy, and shoot lightning out of his friggin hands, there would have been no tension when Luke faced him. Just like there was no tension when Rey faced Snoke. We were all just waiting for her to open up a can of whoop-a.

    It is the inbalance to the force that creates the story. Without it, we don't need a chosen one to bring balance to the force. Neither Jedi or Sith come to control the galaxy. Nothing matters.


    Yup. It was only put in so Rey can have a poor excuse as to why she is all powerful.

    Took Anakin 10 years of training to AOTC and he was still a Padawan then. Bested by Dooku, and yet he was the chosen one. With the 'balance' excuse,he should have been able to take anyone on from padawan age onwards.

    Luke had at least a couple of years with Yoda (counting the gap between episodes 5 and 6 which I think is 2 years). So you would assume he went back to him to train, learn how to craft a lightsaber, etc. He could barely pile stones in 5. If the balance excuse comes in, he shouldnt have needed that. He should have been on a par with Vader and Palps from 4 onwards.

    Yet we are told now the force has decided to balance itself? At this point? As much as I like some characters (such as Finn) and TFA in the ST, even the most ardent champion of feminism and diversity can admit it was purely done because they wanted the woman lead to be all powerful without doing anything.

    Don't get me wrong, I like strong woman leads (Leia, Jyn, even Padme in some elements. Outside of star wars, Ripley from Alien, etc) - but this was purely done to score political points
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  • What can I say about Disney's post ep6..................... We lost the old EU For this. Dammit Disney,
  • The crux of the prequels, Anakin's fall to the dark side, was pure garbage from a writing standpoint. Whatever complaints you have about the ST, does not compare to how badly Lucas biffed that, not to mention cheapened the mythology of the force in a variety of ways. The sequel trilogy appears to actually be exploring the force and going in an interesting direction with it.

    As I big fan of the prequels. I have to say you couldn't be more wrong. First up Anakins fall was amazing. He was broken, used, Held high because he was the chosen one. But he was broken, a slave, living most of his adult life with a dogma that went against everything he grew up with, Love of his mother, Attachments, letting his emotions out.

    Context is a big thing to understand the prequels and like TLJ in ways the fandom had a pre requisite on how Anakin was going to fall and were annoyed that he didn't fall how they wanted. Even though it was compelling and brilliant.

    I always put it like this. Stanley Kubrick can give you a ***** scene in the shinning and it's praised for being abstract. Lucas can give you a film trilogy were you have to piece things together and understand context and he's ***** upon. The prequels are far beyond the ST it's not funny.
  • Cad_Bane
    6252 posts Member
    The crux of the prequels, Anakin's fall to the dark side, was pure garbage from a writing standpoint. Whatever complaints you have about the ST, does not compare to how badly Lucas biffed that, not to mention cheapened the mythology of the force in a variety of ways. The sequel trilogy appears to actually be exploring the force and going in an interesting direction with it.

    As I big fan of the prequels. I have to say you couldn't be more wrong. First up Anakins fall was amazing. He was broken, used, Held high because he was the chosen one. But he was broken, a slave, living most of his adult life with a dogma that went against everything he grew up with, Love of his mother, Attachments, letting his emotions out.

    Context is a big thing to understand the prequels and like TLJ in ways the fandom had a pre requisite on how Anakin was going to fall and were annoyed that he didn't fall how they wanted. Even though it was compelling and brilliant.

    I always put it like this. Stanley Kubrick can give you a **** scene in the shinning and it's praised for being abstract. Lucas can give you a film trilogy were you have to piece things together and understand context and he's **** upon. The prequels are far beyond the ST it's not funny.

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  • DarthJ wrote: »
    I think there is a good explanation in the movies why Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA and be on par with him in TLJ as well without jedi training.

    When darkness rises, light rises aswell to counter it and vice versa. Both Snoke and Luke say this.There must always be a balance in the force.

    You really didn't need to explain that. We all caught it. It's just a **** explanation by the writers. Inbalance to the force is exactly what creates tension and therefore drama. If Palps hadn't been able to blind the jedi, turn Anakin, takeover the known galaxy, and shoot lightning out of his friggin hands, there would have been no tension when Luke faced him. Just like there was no tension when Rey faced Snoke. We were all just waiting for her to open up a can of whoop-a.

    It is the inbalance to the force that creates the story. Without it, we don't need a chosen one to bring balance to the force. Neither Jedi or Sith come to control the galaxy. Nothing matters.


    Yup. It was only put in so Rey can have a poor excuse as to why she is all powerful.

    Took Anakin 10 years of training to AOTC and he was still a Padawan then. Bested by Dooku, and yet he was the chosen one. With the 'balance' excuse,he should have been able to take anyone on from padawan age onwards.

    Luke had at least a couple of years with Yoda (counting the gap between episodes 5 and 6 which I think is 2 years). So you would assume he went back to him to train, learn how to craft a lightsaber, etc. He could barely pile stones in 5. If the balance excuse comes in, he shouldnt have needed that. He should have been on a par with Vader and Palps from 4 onwards.

    Yet we are told now the force has decided to balance itself? At this point? As much as I like some characters (such as Finn) and TFA in the ST, even the most ardent champion of feminism and diversity can admit it was purely done because they wanted the woman lead to be all powerful without doing anything.

    Don't get me wrong, I like strong woman leads (Leia, Jyn, even Padme in some elements. Outside of star wars, Ripley from Alien, etc) - but this was purely done to score political points

    I only recently read that the gap between 5 and 6 was 2 years.

    Han being left in Carbonite with Jabba for that long is kinda horrific.

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  • DarthJ
    6668 posts Member
    greedo1980 wrote: »
    DarthJ wrote: »
    I think there is a good explanation in the movies why Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA and be on par with him in TLJ as well without jedi training.

    When darkness rises, light rises aswell to counter it and vice versa. Both Snoke and Luke say this.There must always be a balance in the force.

    You really didn't need to explain that. We all caught it. It's just a **** explanation by the writers. Inbalance to the force is exactly what creates tension and therefore drama. If Palps hadn't been able to blind the jedi, turn Anakin, takeover the known galaxy, and shoot lightning out of his friggin hands, there would have been no tension when Luke faced him. Just like there was no tension when Rey faced Snoke. We were all just waiting for her to open up a can of whoop-a.

    It is the inbalance to the force that creates the story. Without it, we don't need a chosen one to bring balance to the force. Neither Jedi or Sith come to control the galaxy. Nothing matters.


    Yup. It was only put in so Rey can have a poor excuse as to why she is all powerful.

    Took Anakin 10 years of training to AOTC and he was still a Padawan then. Bested by Dooku, and yet he was the chosen one. With the 'balance' excuse,he should have been able to take anyone on from padawan age onwards.

    Luke had at least a couple of years with Yoda (counting the gap between episodes 5 and 6 which I think is 2 years). So you would assume he went back to him to train, learn how to craft a lightsaber, etc. He could barely pile stones in 5. If the balance excuse comes in, he shouldnt have needed that. He should have been on a par with Vader and Palps from 4 onwards.

    Yet we are told now the force has decided to balance itself? At this point? As much as I like some characters (such as Finn) and TFA in the ST, even the most ardent champion of feminism and diversity can admit it was purely done because they wanted the woman lead to be all powerful without doing anything.

    Don't get me wrong, I like strong woman leads (Leia, Jyn, even Padme in some elements. Outside of star wars, Ripley from Alien, etc) - but this was purely done to score political points

    I only recently read that the gap between 5 and 6 was 2 years.

    Han being left in Carbonite with Jabba for that long is kinda horrific.

    Some pals!

    Luke: well errr...I had to...emm...train some more and...yeah....the galaxy and that

    Leia: well err...I helped build the Rebel fleet...and err...secured Mon Cala support and...yeah...the galaxy and that

    Chewie: Rgggrrhhh....rrrggghhh...rrrghhh

    Lando: well I came to the Palace and...emmm...stared at you encased in carbonite...so...yeah

    Han must feel great
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  • bfloo
    15738 posts Member
    DarthJ wrote: »
    greedo1980 wrote: »
    DarthJ wrote: »
    I think there is a good explanation in the movies why Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA and be on par with him in TLJ as well without jedi training.

    When darkness rises, light rises aswell to counter it and vice versa. Both Snoke and Luke say this.There must always be a balance in the force.

    You really didn't need to explain that. We all caught it. It's just a **** explanation by the writers. Inbalance to the force is exactly what creates tension and therefore drama. If Palps hadn't been able to blind the jedi, turn Anakin, takeover the known galaxy, and shoot lightning out of his friggin hands, there would have been no tension when Luke faced him. Just like there was no tension when Rey faced Snoke. We were all just waiting for her to open up a can of whoop-a.

    It is the inbalance to the force that creates the story. Without it, we don't need a chosen one to bring balance to the force. Neither Jedi or Sith come to control the galaxy. Nothing matters.


    Yup. It was only put in so Rey can have a poor excuse as to why she is all powerful.

    Took Anakin 10 years of training to AOTC and he was still a Padawan then. Bested by Dooku, and yet he was the chosen one. With the 'balance' excuse,he should have been able to take anyone on from padawan age onwards.

    Luke had at least a couple of years with Yoda (counting the gap between episodes 5 and 6 which I think is 2 years). So you would assume he went back to him to train, learn how to craft a lightsaber, etc. He could barely pile stones in 5. If the balance excuse comes in, he shouldnt have needed that. He should have been on a par with Vader and Palps from 4 onwards.

    Yet we are told now the force has decided to balance itself? At this point? As much as I like some characters (such as Finn) and TFA in the ST, even the most ardent champion of feminism and diversity can admit it was purely done because they wanted the woman lead to be all powerful without doing anything.

    Don't get me wrong, I like strong woman leads (Leia, Jyn, even Padme in some elements. Outside of star wars, Ripley from Alien, etc) - but this was purely done to score political points

    I only recently read that the gap between 5 and 6 was 2 years.

    Han being left in Carbonite with Jabba for that long is kinda horrific.

    Some pals!

    Luke: well errr...I had to...emm...train some more and...yeah....the galaxy and that

    Leia: well err...I helped build the Rebel fleet...and err...secured Mon Cala support and...yeah...the galaxy and that

    Chewie: Rgggrrhhh....rrrggghhh...rrrghhh

    Lando: well I came to the Palace and...emmm...stared at you encased in carbonite...so...yeah

    Han must feel great

    It takes time for Luke to come up with such a convoluted plan that should never work in the first place.
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  • Spiito
    1926 posts Member
    I both like and dislike the newer movies because they are pretty much the same formula used in the previous/older films.
    I think the viewers miss the point of a Jedi's intuition; it's unnatural and powerful. It's not supposed to be like reality. It's (science) fiction, fantasy, whimsy. Complaining about who is overpowered, when it comes to life being created by midichlorians, or who has the most midichlorians, (In some cases that "midichlorians should never have been added") seems kind of pointless to me. ( Now people complain about Rey. *Shrug*)
    Luke grew old and turned out to follow the same kind of path Yoda and Obi Wan did. (Minus the whole, brief consideration of killing one's nephew, but when your father was Vader; who tried to kill or enslave pretty much anyone you knew, I guess that would mess you up just a bit.)
    The various white noise of approval/disapproval seems about as pointless as debating that Clifford The Big Red Dog isn't supposed to be massive and red, but whatever.
    That's just my personal indifference.
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  • For my part I've liked all of the new movies, the OT and the prequels but if I'm being honest when picking the movies that are the most fun that I would rewatch over and over I would say that TFA is pretty high up there. ATOC and ROTS just don't stand up for repeat viewings for me TPM is more fun than either of the other two, mostly for the set pieces and the fact that, apart from Jar Jar, the dialogue isn't quite so bad in that one and there were more practical effects. If you were fixing the prequels you would make Annakin older and more like Han Solo, with some swagger and arrogance that leads to Darth Vader than the direction Lucas took.

    The major difference I think between the prequels and the sequels is that the prequels had lots and lots of plot but then, for the most part, the characters were very badly drawn and written. The sequels and particularly TFA have a more simplistic plot but the characters are just better written and acted with clearer motivation. All the stuff about criticising Rey for me seems to be at least 80% misogyny. I feel that a female here in these roles adds more than it takes away and I don't get why people are so against it. Her aptitude in the force is explained over and over in the narrative itself in both TLJ and TFA - that there has been an awakening in the force and the force is attempting to balance itself, each negative needs a counterpoint. Snoke thought that Luke was that counterpoint to the darkness rising when in fact it was Rey.

    The idea that TLJ ruined Luke, for me, is ridiculous. That someone would not change in 30 years having been through what he had been through is more preposterous. It's one of the big issues with Superman as a character, no flaws, no development. So I get if you are very plot focused, looking at the movies superficially i.e. that plot point is similar to that other plot point in that other movie then yes that would annoy you but for me it's always the characters that are interesting and all of these characters have more dimensions and facets than anything in the prequels (apart from arguably Palpatine but that was as much about the actor's performance as it was the writing). The sequels have their flaws, sure, but they are superior to the prequels by quite some distance. I think nostalgia and the fact that for many fans they saw the prequels when they were growing up sometimes means people forget just how objectively average those movies are (and I still really like them). If you're trying to fight against the tide of better representation of women and minorities in movies then I can't help you, for me that can only be a good thing. Star Wars is made up, so why not have more women as part of the story? I get that if you were writing a story about a WWII bomber crew then there would be less of a place for women in that but for any other reason than historical accuracy (and how historically accurate are many movies any way?) I just don't understand why so many guys are scared by it. Thankfully as Wonder Woman proved last year (and The Hunger Games before it) a strong female lead can sell tickets too.

    Having said all that I am very nervous about the Solo movie. That does seem to be a fairly stupid idea for a movie - why not do a aftermath of ROTJ movie as a spinoff - what happened to some of the pockets of the Empire when the DSII exploded?
  • In Defense Of Rey and Some Counters To The Typical Mary Sue Claims


    Just saying for those complaining about Reys force abilities it is explained that when Kylo entered her mind in TFA it sort of activated her inner force powers and for lack of better description in a way downloaded Kylos training and knowledge to her. She was overcome with all of these new abilities and powers that she subconsciously knew how to use without really understanding everything going on at the same time. Now whether you think that's lazy writing is up to you but it is a canon explanation and it makes sense... after all the force works in mysterious ways... perhaps it is the force itself using her as a vessel... we don't the full story yet.

    As far as some of her accomplishments in the film... many people cry about them yet they are also explained albeit not in the films. I still understand some fans complaints about her being too powerful but many are explained and it bothers me when I see people complain and cry Mary Sue when some of the answers are out there.

    Her Fighting Skill - She has trained her whole life in self defense as she has grown up all alone and had to be able to defend herself. Her ability with the saber can be chalked up to a combination of both self defense training, Natural force abilities and gaining knowledge when Kylo entered her mind. Is it the most interesting explanation? no not really but I suppose it makes sense.

    Her Ability To Fly the Falcon - She used flight simulators all her life in her free time and had become an expert on many different star fighters and maneuvers. Now obviously flight sims are the real think but its safe to assume in the Star Wars universe they are pretty good. She also worked for Unkar Plutt on all kinds of star fighters and other things as well as being a scavenger. She went inside the Falcon and other ships in her free time a lot and familiarized herself with the controls and functions. Though this doesn't make her an expert it gives her a basis of understanding along with the extensive years of practice in flight simulator.

    The Claim That She Flew the Falcon Better Than Anyone - She really didn't. On take off she could barely get in the air and was constantly slamming into the ground and structures on the ground and through out the flight she was skimming on the ground a few times. Also on her flight with the falcon she basically flew in a straight line the entire time with a few turns here and there and a few pipes to dodge through the small part of the star destroyer. She couldn't get the shields up and was hit multiple times by the Tie Fighters. Only with the combined effort of her and Finn did they survive the Tie Fighter chase. I would say the combination of her natural force sensitivity and experience with years of flight simulation and working on ships she was able to just get by with a few good moves on the Falcon. By no means did she fly it better than Han or Lando like people say. People complain about this yet don't complain about Anakins skill in a pod racer which is arguably just as dangerous if not more. Anakin was able to expertly maneuver all over the course at extremely high speeds and it was his first time ever... it is said he is the only human to ever do it and at such an incredible high speed... you know why? because he has worked on pods all his life and is incredibly strong in the force. Anakin is way younger than Rey and he can do it why is it that people complain about Reys ability to fly the Falcon?

    The Complaint That She Shouldn't Have Beat Kylo Ren - Kylo Ren had just been shot with a bowcaster, slashed in the arm by Finn with a lightsaber and the murder of his father made him incredibly unbalanced. He thought the act of killing his father would make him stronger in the dark side of the force but it only unbalanced him making him weaker. As said earlier when Ren entered Reys mind she in a way acquired his knowledge and skill in the force, giving her abilities and power rushing through her uncontrollably. And with all of these new powers and skills she barely beat him. Throughout their entire fight Kylo was destroying her, despite him being shot, slashed and unbalanced he still had Rey on the Retreat the entire fight. Also he did not want to kill her but turn her and train her. Only then at the very end did Rey over come an already injured unbalanced Kylo Ren and beat him.

    I could go on and on, there are plenty of explanations to counter some of the Mary Sue claims. Now that said I still agree that some of the claims are reasonable and I as well agree she should struggle more as it makes the character more relatable. But you know what, I'm gonna say it... I still like Rey. Though I wish she struggled more and maybe was helped out more (should have left the scene where chewie saves her from Unkar by ripping his arms off) I still like her character, charming personality and acting. Shes fun to watch maybe a bit overpowered but I still like her and look forward to seeing the full story.
  • acc751
    861 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    i don't like the new trilogy because muh edgy grey jedi


    can we please get that heck out of here?
    Many of the arguments we have about this game would not exist if this was a single player focused game like it should have been since day 1.
  • Rogozhi
    653 posts Member
    In Defense Of Rey and Some Counters To The Typical Mary Sue Claims


    Just saying for those complaining about Reys force abilities it is explained that when Kylo entered her mind in TFA it sort of activated her inner force powers and for lack of better description in a way downloaded Kylos training and knowledge to her. She was overcome with all of these new abilities and powers that she subconsciously knew how to use without really understanding everything going on at the same time. Now whether you think that's lazy writing is up to you but it is a canon explanation and it makes sense... after all the force works in mysterious ways... perhaps it is the force itself using her as a vessel... we don't the full story yet.

    As far as some of her accomplishments in the film... many people cry about them yet they are also explained albeit not in the films. I still understand some fans complaints about her being too powerful but many are explained and it bothers me when I see people complain and cry Mary Sue when some of the answers are out there.

    Her Fighting Skill - She has trained her whole life in self defense as she has grown up all alone and had to be able to defend herself. Her ability with the saber can be chalked up to a combination of both self defense training, Natural force abilities and gaining knowledge when Kylo entered her mind. Is it the most interesting explanation? no not really but I suppose it makes sense.

    Her Ability To Fly the Falcon - She used flight simulators all her life in her free time and had become an expert on many different star fighters and maneuvers. Now obviously flight sims are the real think but its safe to assume in the Star Wars universe they are pretty good. She also worked for Unkar Plutt on all kinds of star fighters and other things as well as being a scavenger. She went inside the Falcon and other ships in her free time a lot and familiarized herself with the controls and functions. Though this doesn't make her an expert it gives her a basis of understanding along with the extensive years of practice in flight simulator.

    The Claim That She Flew the Falcon Better Than Anyone - She really didn't. On take off she could barely get in the air and was constantly slamming into the ground and structures on the ground and through out the flight she was skimming on the ground a few times. Also on her flight with the falcon she basically flew in a straight line the entire time with a few turns here and there and a few pipes to dodge through the small part of the star destroyer. She couldn't get the shields up and was hit multiple times by the Tie Fighters. Only with the combined effort of her and Finn did they survive the Tie Fighter chase. I would say the combination of her natural force sensitivity and experience with years of flight simulation and working on ships she was able to just get by with a few good moves on the Falcon. By no means did she fly it better than Han or Lando like people say. People complain about this yet don't complain about Anakins skill in a pod racer which is arguably just as dangerous if not more. Anakin was able to expertly maneuver all over the course at extremely high speeds and it was his first time ever... it is said he is the only human to ever do it and at such an incredible high speed... you know why? because he has worked on pods all his life and is incredibly strong in the force. Anakin is way younger than Rey and he can do it why is it that people complain about Reys ability to fly the Falcon?

    The Complaint That She Shouldn't Have Beat Kylo Ren - Kylo Ren had just been shot with a bowcaster, slashed in the arm by Finn with a lightsaber and the murder of his father made him incredibly unbalanced. He thought the act of killing his father would make him stronger in the dark side of the force but it only unbalanced him making him weaker. As said earlier when Ren entered Reys mind she in a way acquired his knowledge and skill in the force, giving her abilities and power rushing through her uncontrollably. And with all of these new powers and skills she barely beat him. Throughout their entire fight Kylo was destroying her, despite him being shot, slashed and unbalanced he still had Rey on the Retreat the entire fight. Also he did not want to kill her but turn her and train her. Only then at the very end did Rey over come an already injured unbalanced Kylo Ren and beat him.

    I could go on and on, there are plenty of explanations to counter some of the Mary Sue claims. Now that said I still agree that some of the claims are reasonable and I as well agree she should struggle more as it makes the character more relatable. But you know what, I'm gonna say it... I still like Rey. Though I wish she struggled more and maybe was helped out more (should have left the scene where chewie saves her from Unkar by ripping his arms off) I still like her character, charming personality and acting. Shes fun to watch maybe a bit overpowered but I still like her and look forward to seeing the full story.

    You know I never had a problem with her being overpowered. Look at look. He jumped into an xwing and was basically an ace. Same with Anakin. It's kind of established that force sensitive users have super human reactions and abilities.

    What I didn't like was her training in the force. Her struggle with the dark side was nearly non existent. When she went into that hole and Luke was amazed first she overcame the dark side so easily I had to roll my eyes. Because I really felt the writers were trying to imply she could balance the force so easily because she was female.

    Which is part of a larger impression I got that in the minds of the writers the force was female and the darkside was toxic masculinity. I know how prevalent some of these narratives are with Hollywood liberals and how quickly they've caught on so I don't think I'm just seeing something that isn't there. Since I don't agree with these modern ideas, I'm a centrist who tries to see both sides, it really jumps out and puts me off.

    I'll add TFA didn't seem to push these ideas as much either. It was TLJ where it became really evident.
  • the fact you use the far right wing term SJW, i'm not going to dignify you with a reasoned response.....no matter what i say it wont be white Anglo-saxin male enough for you lol

    ***** about the term SJW and calling people "Anglo-Saxon male". Poor snowflake XD
  • Rogozhi wrote: »

    You know I never had a problem with her being overpowered. Look at look. He jumped into an xwing and was basically an ace. Same with Anakin. It's kind of established that force sensitive users have super human reactions and abilities.

    What I didn't like was her training in the force. Her struggle with the dark side was nearly non existent. When she went into that hole and Luke was amazed first she overcame the dark side so easily I had to roll my eyes. Because I really felt the writers were trying to imply she could balance the force so easily because she was female.

    Which is part of a larger impression I got that in the minds of the writers the force was female and the darkside was toxic masculinity. I know how prevalent some of these narratives are with Hollywood liberals and how quickly they've caught on so I don't think I'm just seeing something that isn't there. Since I don't agree with these modern ideas, I'm a centrist who tries to see both sides, it really jumps out and puts me off.

    I'll add TFA didn't seem to push these ideas as much either. It was TLJ where it became really evident.

    Yeah I never really cared that she was powerful either, I do understand some fans complaints and with all the hate bandwagon out there I can see how people can jump on the Mary Sue thing. I do agree she needs to struggle more with the force, If she gained all of these powers so quickly and is having trouble It'd be nice to see some struggle. Also she doesn't even really know about the Light or the Dark side does she? I wish this was explained... it seems she doesn't really know the difference and the significance.

    I can kind of agree on the political stuff but I'm not really so sure to be honest. There was no "toxic masculinity" (hate that term) I saw in Luke. Just a broken depressed man who eventually comes to his senses and saves the day as a hero. The Holdo Poe stuff... ehhh at first I was along the lines of thinking "this is like some sjw female dominating crap" but honestly after a few viewings I really don't care as much. Her conflict with Poe is only in like 2 scenes that last less than a minute and she only reprimands him because in all fairness he did disobey orders and they lost the entire bombing fleet. All of those brain dead articles online by websites like Vanity and The Mary Sue would have you believe Holdo is some incredible feminist leader and icon... but she isn't. Seeing all of these articles I kind of had the pre conceived idea that was what they were going for but if it was they failed horribly... Holdo is not a good feminist female icon... She is a horrible leader, the resistance being down to only 500 people and instead of giving them some hope or a plan to believe in she just says get back to your post. All the while causing people to lose hope thinking there is no plan and start a mutiny. They aren't an official military, there is hardly a real chain of command, if she wanted the trust of her new crew and troops she should have told everyone what was going on and she failed to do so. She didn't tell a single person which makes her a bad leader plain and simple.

    As for Rose... yeah she is a bit preachy with the rich people are evil crap and some of the animal cruelty stuff but ehh whatever. I'm not as bothered by her as much as the first viewing. Still don't really like her though especially after she stopped Finns sacrifice that was just dumb as all hell.
  • Rogozhi
    653 posts Member
    Rogozhi wrote: »

    You know I never had a problem with her being overpowered. Look at look. He jumped into an xwing and was basically an ace. Same with Anakin. It's kind of established that force sensitive users have super human reactions and abilities.

    What I didn't like was her training in the force. Her struggle with the dark side was nearly non existent. When she went into that hole and Luke was amazed first she overcame the dark side so easily I had to roll my eyes. Because I really felt the writers were trying to imply she could balance the force so easily because she was female.

    Which is part of a larger impression I got that in the minds of the writers the force was female and the darkside was toxic masculinity. I know how prevalent some of these narratives are with Hollywood liberals and how quickly they've caught on so I don't think I'm just seeing something that isn't there. Since I don't agree with these modern ideas, I'm a centrist who tries to see both sides, it really jumps out and puts me off.

    I'll add TFA didn't seem to push these ideas as much either. It was TLJ where it became really evident.

    Yeah I never really cared that she was powerful either, I do understand some fans complaints and with all the hate bandwagon out there I can see how people can jump on the Mary Sue thing. I do agree she needs to struggle more with the force, If she gained all of these powers so quickly and is having trouble It'd be nice to see some struggle. Also she doesn't even really know about the Light or the Dark side does she? I wish this was explained... it seems she doesn't really know the difference and the significance.

    I can kind of agree on the political stuff but I'm not really so sure to be honest. There was no "toxic masculinity" (hate that term) I saw in Luke. Just a broken depressed man who eventually comes to his senses and saves the day as a hero. The Holdo Poe stuff... ehhh at first I was along the lines of thinking "this is like some sjw female dominating ****" but honestly after a few viewings I really don't care as much. Her conflict with Poe is only in like 2 scenes that last less than a minute and she only reprimands him because in all fairness he did disobey orders and they lost the entire bombing fleet. All of those brain dead articles online by websites like Vanity and The Mary Sue would have you believe Holdo is some incredible feminist leader and icon... but she isn't. Seeing all of these articles I kind of had the pre conceived idea that was what they were going for but if it was they failed horribly... Holdo is not a good feminist female icon... She is a horrible leader, the resistance being down to only 500 people and instead of giving them some hope or a plan to believe in she just says get back to your post. All the while causing people to lose hope thinking there is no plan and start a mutiny. They aren't an official military, there is hardly a real chain of command, if she wanted the trust of her new crew and troops she should have told everyone what was going on and she failed to do so. She didn't tell a single person which makes her a bad leader plain and simple.

    As for Rose... yeah she is a bit preachy with the rich people are evil **** and some of the animal cruelty stuff but ehh whatever. I'm not as bothered by her as much as the first viewing. Still don't really like her though especially after she stopped Finns sacrifice that was just dumb as all ****.

    You know maybe I just need to watch it a few more times. To be honest when I saw it I was pretty active in some online groups around Jordan Peterson which included many really right wing people that were super up in arms about the movie. I tried watching with an open mind but the narratives still jumped out at me. I got bored of all that since so maybe my perspective would change a little now.

    And what is with the resistance? That's one aspect I really don't like about the new trilogy. It's as if destroying the death star and killing the emperor did absolutely nothing. If anything they're stronger than before. They went from building a moon sized super weapon to a planet sized one? I was expecting the first order to be more of a terrorist resistance or at least the rebels having established a new Republic. But they almost seem like they're in worse shape than in the OT.
  • SoggyCocoaPuffs
    209 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    @Rogozhi
    Yeah I'm not really to big on the idea of hows its basically rebels vs empire again almost as though the OT didn't do much. You would think the resistance would be huge and destroy the first order. Apparently though the resistance isn't really an official military of the New Republic. After the Original trilogy galactic civil war the New Republic was formed, eventually though the remnants of the Empire form the First Order to go against the Republic. Leia realizes the First Order is a threat and warns the Republic but I guess they don't really take it seriously so she forms her own little renegade of Resistance fighters. So basically the Republic should be huge and powerful and the First Order like a terrorist organization... but then they blow up the government of the republic and their fleet so now its just the First Order? seems a bit contrived in my opinion that the whole Republic gets wiped out instantly and its just basically "rebels vs empire" again. I hope there is still plenty of the Republic left and they show up in the next film.

    And yeah If you go into the movie with the idea that its some super lefty sjw thing then you're gonna pick apart every little thing to hate. Like when I went in I absolutely hate Holdos purple hair... it just made me think "super liberal SJW gender studies" but honestly... its just purple hair... does it really matter? it doesn't even bother me anymore because I just don't care. The only reason I thought it that way was because of all of the cancerous articles from Vanity and MarySue saying crap like "its the best feminist character ever" or "its the film we need to counter toxic masculinity" Stupid ***** like that had me thinking the film was gonna have a bunch of SJW themes and crap but after watching a few times I really don't notice anything (other than some dumb rose stuff) and I just think the people writing those articles are reading too much into ***** and seeing stuff they want to believe is true. If were gonna interpret an officer reprimanding a subordinate for disobeying direct orders as SJW just because shes female and get butt hurt over it... we're no better than the SJWs who whine and complain over everything... just like all the people ranting because she has purple hair trying to tie it to liberal SJW stuff, when at the end of the day... it's just purple hair. I think if you go in to watching the film with this notion that they tried to make this SJW feminist message then you're gonna hate it, try not to think about it and go in with an open mind because I really don't think its as bad as people make it out to be.

    Look at it this way, all those dumb articles praising the film for feminist stuff... they're just flat out wrong... all of the women in this film make awful decisions except for maybe Leia. Holdo doesn't tell a single person the plan causing mistrust and a mutiny. Then when she does her hero sacrifice she waits until there is only a few ships left after most have been destroyed... a bad leader who doesn't instill confidence in her troops.

    Rose pushes this idea of saving what they love and crap by stopping Finns sacrifice. Not only was it incredibly dangerous but it was selfish and dumb. By her stopping his sacrifice she not only could have killed him in the crash but she allowed the weapon to fire exposing the remaining resistance to the First Order outside. If it wasn't for Luke buying them time... Rose would have doomed the entire Resistance.

    Rey is too trusting and goes after Kylo from only having one vision. She doesn't listen to Luke and only endangers herself trying to bring Kylo back.

    Overall it's a decent film, has some flaws and maybe a few messages but I really don't think its as bad as people are making it to be. People are choosing to view it two ways, the Liberal left want to see it as a super progressive muh feminism film... while other people react to that and think its SJW propaganda... I just want to watch the movie lol, thats why I got to shut off my brain watching films and ignore what other people say it is and also ignore my bias because I too went in thinking it was a bunch of SJW crap and honestly after a few viewings it doesn't seem that bad. I think both sides are overreacting. Enjoy the movie for what it is.
  • Rivershark56
    2882 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    OOM19 wrote: »
    I think there is a good explanation in the movies why Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA and be on par with him in TLJ as well without jedi training.

    When darkness rises, light rises aswell to counter it and vice versa. Both Snoke and Luke say this.There must always be a balance in the force.

    So basically when Kylo started to become strong so was Rey to counter the darkness.

    That legitimately makes no sense at all. Why wasn't Anakin naturally this strong in order to counter Darth Sidious, the strongest Sith in history? I can take potential of course. That's why Anakin was such big news, he had the highest potential ever recorded in the Midi-Chloreans. but even that was no match for Dooku's decades of experience. Anything they say is nothing more then damage control for them playing left and loose over the Lore and paying no attention to it
    IRey had some previous training with melee weapons and Kylo was kinda out of balance when he was defeated the first time.
    That's like saying that because I'm good at boxing I'll be naturally good at Karate. Yes, my body will have stamina and strength built up but the techinques are different and on a totally different level. This is why most Boxers lose if they do Martial Arts and why most Martial Artists lose when they try and box. They may be similar but they are not applicable between each other

    Sith and Jedi training is on a way different scale then just fighting some random hill-billies in the Desert
    But in The Last Jedi we see that both now are equal in strength when they were both force pulling Rey's lightsaber. The light side of the force awoke in Rey because the dark side awoke in Kylo. It's the eternal battle between light and dark.
    She basically became equal and arguably more skilled then a Dark Side user that had Jedi training, Dark Side Training, Master of a Dark Side Group, Skywalker, in the time span ooooooooofffffff

    O N E W E E K

    ONE BLOODY WEEK!

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    Not necessarily trying to argue that Rey is or isn't portrayed poorly. However, she did not defeat Snoke. In fact, during that scene you realize how fragile her raw potential actually is.

    I'm not a big fan of the new movies but I do try to extract theories where I can, which would help me enjoy the new canon. And to be honest I think we learn a lot more from the throne room scene of TLJ. A lot more than what actually meets the eye.

    1. Rey is naturally powerful. So powerful that even Luke Skywalker wants to nerf her. But you can immediately tell that her lack of training leaves her rendered helpless to Snoke because Snoke is powerful and admits here that Rey is quite powerful yet laughs at her attempts to counter him because he knows neither her nor Kylo can beat him using the force. He essentially accepts her raw potential because the force is trying to balance the light and dark. He actually says this. Now let's shoot back to the OT for #2.

    2. So now Snoke has reiterated the fact that balance will always exist in the force. This is pretty well known in general from us die hards, right? Yoda said it himself. Balance is always brought up in Star Wars. So I actually really really like the idea of Luke not being the counter to Vader, but Vader balances himself. He is light and dark. It can be argued that Vader's killing and mayhem was always with the ultimate goal of controlling the Galaxy to bring order to it. Great Villian. Lots of depth. And Anakin was always meant to be "the Messiah" that would bring full balance to the force. So this actually all makes sense to me.

    3. This can explain why Luke didn't have natural talent but had to train with Yoda. You saw flashes of raw talent, but training was required before he could defeat Vader. He lost a hand trying too soon and you gotta love the grit.

    4. So on to Vader. Why didn't Anakin defeat Dooku? See above #1. Anakin was very talented in the force when he faced Dooku. But Dooku had more training and won. I feel like Snoke made a mockery of Rey's raw potential so I don't see the problem here. Rey couldn't beat Snoke and Anakin couldn't beat Dooku. Raw talent lost to decades of training both times.

    5. Yeah but Rey beat Kylo. Okay. Well here's what I see. Kylo Ren is mad at mommy and daddy and decides to turn to genocide as a choice of rebellion. He's not Luke's son, he's Leia's son. She was never as well connected to the force in the movies. Snoke himself said he sensed raw untapped potential. Isn't that like teaching someone who wants to play football but they aren't athletic so you build them up by telling them they are helping the team during practice? I just don't think Kylo was a very strong villian in TFA. And he was shot. And he just killed his pops. And had a battle with Finn. So yeah, naturally Rey is probably stronger, growing up on her own, surviving, learning to fly, fight for survival. Her own kind of training. One could argue she's been training her whole life. But wait! Kylo's not hurt and in more control of his force training in TLJ. His trained mind against her raw (more powerful) potential and it splits the lightsaber in half. There's the balance all the nerf herders are looking for in BF2! Lol

    6. Finally we get to Kylo's transformation. It's almost as if a lightbulb went off and he just new what he had to do. Take control and defeat his true enemy with Snoke. What I saw here was a little maturity from a pathetic attempt at a villian. I truly hoped something like this may happen because I was not impressed with Crylo from TFA. Crylo reminded me of the whiny Anakin from AOTC. So we may actually have a cool villian to root for or against, whatever, in Episode Nine. Only time will tell on that.

    When broken down like that it makes me appreciate the ST a lot more. There are a ton of issues with the movies though but that's not about this thread or response.

    Thoughts?

    Post edited by Rivershark56 on
  • OOM19 wrote: »
    I think there is a good explanation in the movies why Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA and be on par with him in TLJ as well without jedi training.

    When darkness rises, light rises aswell to counter it and vice versa. Both Snoke and Luke say this.There must always be a balance in the force.

    So basically when Kylo started to become strong so was Rey to counter the darkness.

    That legitimately makes no sense at all. Why wasn't Anakin naturally this strong in order to counter Darth Sidious, the strongest Sith in history? I can take potential of course. That's why Anakin was such big news, he had the highest potential ever recorded in the Midi-Chloreans. but even that was no match for Dooku's decades of experience. Anything they say is nothing more then damage control for them playing left and loose over the Lore and paying no attention to it
    IRey had some previous training with melee weapons and Kylo was kinda out of balance when he was defeated the first time.
    That's like saying that because I'm good at boxing I'll be naturally good at Karate. Yes, my body will have stamina and strength built up but the techinques are different and on a totally different level. This is why most Boxers lose if they do Martial Arts and why most Martial Artists lose when they try and box. They may be similar but they are not applicable between each other

    Sith and Jedi training is on a way different scale then just fighting some random hill-billies in the Desert
    But in The Last Jedi we see that both now are equal in strength when they were both force pulling Rey's lightsaber. The light side of the force awoke in Rey because the dark side awoke in Kylo. It's the eternal battle between light and dark.
    She basically became equal and arguably more skilled then a Dark Side user that had Jedi training, Dark Side Training, Master of a Dark Side Group, Skywalker, in the time span ooooooooofffffff

    O N E W E E K

    ONE BLOODY WEEK!

    giphy.gif

    Not necessarily trying to argue that Rey is or isn't portrayed poorly. However, she did not defeat Snoke. In fact, during that scene you realize how fragile her raw potential actually is.

    I'm not a big fan of the new movies but I do try to extract theories where I can, which would help me enjoy the new canon. And to be honest I think we learn a lot more from the throne room scene of TLJ. A lot more than what actually meets the eye.

    1. Rey is naturally powerful. So powerful that even Luke Skywalker wants to nerf her. But you can immediately tell that her lack of training leaves her rendered helpless to Snoke because Snoke is powerful and admits here that Rey is quite powerful yet laughs at her attempts to counter him because he knows neither her nor Kylo can beat him using the force. He essentially accepts her raw potential because the force is trying to balance the light and dark. He actually says this. Now let's shoot back to the OT for #2.

    2. So now Snoke has reiterated the fact that balance will always exist in the force. This is pretty well known in general from us die hards, right? Yoda said it himself. Balance is always brought up in Star Wars. So I actually really really like the idea of Luke not being the counter to Vader, but Vader balances himself. He is light and dark. It can be argued that Vader's killing and mayhem was always with the ultimate goal of controlling the Galaxy to bring order to it. Great Villian. Lots of depth. And Anakin was always meant to be "the Messiah" that would bring full balance to the force. So this actually all makes sense to me.

    3. This can explain why Luke didn't have natural talent but had to train with Yoda. You saw flashes of raw talent, but training was required before he could defeat Vader. He lost a hand trying too soon and you gotta love the grit.

    4. So on to Vader. Why didn't Anakin defeat Dooku? See above #1. Anakin was very talented in the force when he faced Dooku. But Dooku had more training and won. I feel like Snoke made a mockery of Rey's raw potential so I don't see the problem here. Rey couldn't beat Snoke and Anakin couldn't beat Dooku. Raw talent lost to decades of training both times.

    5. Yeah but Rey beat Kylo. Okay. Well here's what I see. Kylo Ren is mad at mommy and daddy and decides to turn to genocide as a choice of rebellion. He's not Luke's son, he's Leia's son. She was never as well connected to the force in the movies. Snoke himself said he sensed raw untapped potential. Isn't that like teaching someone who wants to play football but they aren't athletic so you build them up by telling them they are helping the team during practice? I just don't think Kylo was a very strong villian in TFA. And he was shot. And he just killed his pops. And had a battle with Finn. So yeah, naturally Rey is probably stronger, growing up on her own, surviving, learning to fly, fight for survival. Her own kind of training. One could argue she's been training her whole life. But wait! Kylo's not hurt and in more control of his force training in TLJ. His trained mind against her raw (more powerful) potential and it splits the lightsaber in half. There's the balance all the nerf herders are looking for in BF2! Lol

    6. Finally we get to Kylo's transformation. It's almost as if a lightbulb went off and he just new what he had to do. Take control and defeat his true enemy with Snoke. What I saw here was a little maturity from a pathetic attempt at a villian. I truly hoped something like this may happen because I was not impressed with Crylo from TFA. Crylo reminded me of the whiny Anakin from AOTC. So we may actually have a cool villian to root for or against, whatever, in Episode Nine. Only time will tell on that.

    When broken down like that it makes me appreciate the ST a lot more. There are a ton of issues with the movies though but that's not about this thread or response.

    Thoughts?

    Regarding No. 5 above, I would also state that Kylo Ren is not fully trained, as Snoke said to Hux during their last scene in TFA, I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like, "Bring Ren to me to complete his training." That line alone sets up the idea that Kylo Ren is a loose cannon, not fully trained. It's entirely possible that Snoke hasn't trained him at all, only Luke has, as we've never seen Snoke train Ren in any fashion except appearing to be his Master, so we assume he trained him. And, as you said above, he had just killed his father and was shot by a powerful blast.
    "I'm Luke Skywalker. I'm here to rescue you!"
  • Starmasui73146
    1269 posts Member
    edited August 2
    The Cons of the trilogy:

    "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" was a redo of "Star Wars: A New Hope".  

    A group must blow up a huge moon or planet size device, capable of planetary destruction- check
    --------------------------------------------

    "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" was a slap in the face to male fans:

    1.) Luke they turned him into an attempted murder.
    2.) Poe they embarrassed and made him an *****
    3.) Finn they turned into a coward fleeing in an escape pod

    Star Wars: The Last Jedi" was a slap in the face to fans of the classic trilogy characters.  

    1.) Luke never got an epic lightsaber duel.
    2.) *Luke should have shown the raw power that George Lucas said he had.  He was the most powerful jedi in all the universe.  They should have shown Luke on the planet with the Jedi training facility and have him pull down 3 Star Destroyers.  You could have had three along side each other in the atmosphere.  He could cause the outer two Star Destroyers on either side to crush the one in the middle.  Then all three crash on the planet and one skids to a stop on the sand right at Luke's feet.  Now that would have been epic.  But nooooooooo.

    *Now as you may know I am not big on the whole concept of what "The Force" represents, BUT if your going to run a theme then by golly you better finish it out right.  They did not do justice to Luke's character whatsoever.

    3.) Luke dies in episode 8, Lucas had him die in episode 9, not 8.



    "Last Jedi" also took from "Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back" and "Star Wars: Return of the Jedi".

    1.) AT-ATs - check
    2.) Darker story- check
    3.) A big surprise about what the power of the Force Master is- check
    4.) Jedi taunted by evil Force Master by a fleet being destroyed.- check
    5.) One possible family lineage reveal-  check
    6.) A duel in the thrown room- check
    7.) Cute cuddly creatures- check

    ---------------------------------------------

    I know that everyone likes to jump on Rey.  Yes it annoys the garbage out of me too that she is a Mary Sue type:

    (1.) Barely any flaws.  
    (2.) Totally OP.  
    (3.) Defeats enemies with way more training.  
    (4.) Required little training to be able to do what Luke does.

    Though there maybe a very simple explanation for this.  A recent leak on Youtube gives the secret away.  It is the mega huge twist in the trilogy.  
    Post edited by Starmasui73146 on
    “There is always hope.”
  • And now the Pros of the trilogy:
    (1.) Ironically though I actual love the porgs.
    (2.) Han Solo's lines were hilarious.
    (3.) Kylo freezing the blaster fire.
    (4.) Starkiller taking out multiple planets at once was wild (though it defies all the laws of physics, the beam needed deflector satellites to guide it to each target. Randomly breaking apart in mid-space made no sense)
    (5.) BB-8 being turned into a slot machine by a drunk alien.
    (6.) Rey's back flip in episode 9 (coming soon).
    “There is always hope.”
  • The prequels were blatant cash grabs. It's always been a cash grab. Don't look back with rose colored glasses and fail to see the money making machine that Star Wars has always been. Losing Lucas is the best thing that could have happened to this franchise. He had nothing left to give. The prequels were uninspired at best. New trilogy is fine so far, but it hurt the feelings of the sensitive for some reason I don't get.

  • AccurateThings
    526 posts Member
    edited August 2
    Even tho it has better lines than the prequels, it fails to actually do something original. It doesn’t bring back the messages and morals of the original trilogy it just brings back the characters, settings, and vehicles.

    The worst aspect of the new trilogy will always be snoke’s throne room and Luke.

    In return of the Jedi, Luke is fully trained by yoda, it took him obstacles to complete his training. When Luke turns himself to Vader, the second most evil man in the galaxy, to say that he still thinks he has good in him and that anakin skywalker still exists. When they arrive to the throne room, palpatine’s window represented a web, and palpy was a spider. Vader is the fly which makes him bait. Palpa not only was vader’s only friend, he represented all the mistakes Vader did. Palpatine WAS the obstacle and when Luke attempted to kill him Vader without a word defended him. Vader wants Luke to join him and destroy palpatine and rule the galaxy together, palpatine wants Luke to defeat Vader using his hate and have a new, younger, apprentice. When Luke was getting stunned, Vader betrayed palpatine indicating he no longer wants to remember his mistakes and wants to be a better man.

    In the last jedi, I don’t know what the heck happened. Rey took little to no time on training and managed to defeat extremely skilled praetorian guards, which felt like the last level of Lego Star Wars the complete saga. When Ben Solo had dark thoughts Luke completely forgot his own morals and without a word wanted to kill Ben in his sleep because, he had bad thoughts? Snoke is utterly useless and pointless and the throne room had no meaning. Everything was just awful and I can’t keep myself from never liking this film.

    Oh and the film wasted its time doing nothing without explaining a theme or moral.
  • For me, it is not so different than the prequels. Although i personally like the sequels better, i always liked the prequels when they first came out besides their obvious flaws. For me the prequels still have the best action and world building. 

    The sequels are, in my opinion, way more creative than people give them credit for. Like, with force awakens, it was basically the same plot as a new hope. Not all of that was bad, however. Jj abrams had the challenge of bringing old fans and new fans into the franchise. He was also doing sequels to movies almost 40 years old. 

    Rian johnson took a different approach. I would also like to say i believe people like george lucas, jj abrams, and kathleen kennedy were also on board with what needed to happen with the last jedi. Basically, the last jedi cut all cords to the legends category. Now, writers coming into star wars have a bigger palate to choose from in regards to the formula and structure of their stories.

    We also got the star wars stories aka solo and rogue one. I think this was disney’s way of telling the old fans that they are still appreciated. At the end of the day star wars makes up a big saga and the style and tone of the movies can be different as it goes along just as a product of their respective times.
  • bfloo
    15738 posts Member
    The problem with Rey beating crylo in TFA is we saw her win with no training against Luke's best student.  What is going to happen after she trains?

    If Luke beat Vader in ESB, or even worse ANH, we wouldn't have cared about RotJ.

    What am I supposed to do, root for crylo now?
    The Knights of Gareth are Eternal

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  • bfloo said:
    The problem with Rey beating crylo in TFA is we saw her win with no training against Luke's best student.  What is going to happen after she trains?

    If Luke beat Vader in ESB, or even worse ANH, we wouldn't have cared about RotJ.

    What am I supposed to do, root for crylo now?

    In my opinion all of your complaints are due to the differences in making movies in the 1970s/1980s versus today.  Audiences today have zero to negative attention spans.  Remember how SLOW movies were back then, in terms of pacing and action.  They didn't seem slow then, but they are compared to today's films.  Some movies don't even show the name of the movie until the end.  There's no time for title credit sequences anymore, let alone two movies of Jedi training aka character development.  Remember the opening credit sequence for Superman (1978)?  It is literally five minutes long of nothing but names and music, and it's great.  People today will walk out of the theater due to boredom if there isn't action right off the bat (TLJ did this with the destruction of Yavin Base, which I thought was an odd way to start the movie, given how TFA ended, but I chalk that up to Rian's ego as a director, no way was JJ going to tell him how to start HIS movie, lol).  I saw people get on their phone  a few rows ahead of me on opening night of Endgame, how were they not entertained I asked myself??  So I think that Rey has the force and lightsaber abilities (slightly) faster than Luke did SOLELY due to the short attention spans of current audiences.
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  • Saber91 said:
    yeah the spinoff movies look good. hopefully they will keep that track record up.
    That basically sums up the sequels. I'd also add that the Clone Wars cartoon was much better than all three prequel movies.
    Saber91 said:

    in my opinion theyre blatant cash grabs with horrible character development/interaction/and plot. they ruined luke skywalkers character. have an obvious SJW theme going on. the fact that rey doesnt have any relation to anyone who matters is ridiculous and a let down. the fact that han solo and leia managed to screw up their force sensitive son so bad that he turned sith. the fact that han solo died in the crappiest dramatic way possible (he should have gone out in a blaze of glory in the millenium falcon)

    I honestly don't know why they didn't just use the extended universe material from Legends, because Kylo Ren is essentially Jacen and Rey is Jaina. And where is Ahsoka? She's the most important character not to be in a movie next to Mara Jade Skywalker.

    The new characters are actually the best part of the new movies because they are way more interesting than even the original cast; it's just Rey and Kylo Ren who are flat and one-dimensional. Just my opinions.
  • bfloo
    15738 posts Member
    bfloo said:
    The problem with Rey beating crylo in TFA is we saw her win with no training against Luke's best student.  What is going to happen after she trains?

    If Luke beat Vader in ESB, or even worse ANH, we wouldn't have cared about RotJ.

    What am I supposed to do, root for crylo now?

    In my opinion all of your complaints are due to the differences in making movies in the 1970s/1980s versus today.  Audiences today have zero to negative attention spans.  Remember how SLOW movies were back then, in terms of pacing and action.  They didn't seem slow then, but they are compared to today's films.  Some movies don't even show the name of the movie until the end.  There's no time for title credit sequences anymore, let alone two movies of Jedi training aka character development.  Remember the opening credit sequence for Superman (1978)?  It is literally five minutes long of nothing but names and music, and it's great.  People today will walk out of the theater due to boredom if there isn't action right off the bat (TLJ did this with the destruction of Yavin Base, which I thought was an odd way to start the movie, given how TFA ended, but I chalk that up to Rian's ego as a director, no way was JJ going to tell him how to start HIS movie, lol).  I saw people get on their phone  a few rows ahead of me on opening night of Endgame, how were they not entertained I asked myself??  So I think that Rey has the force and lightsaber abilities (slightly) faster than Luke did SOLELY due to the short attention spans of current audiences.
    Then they should have made it a stand alone film.

    Not being entertained for Endgame I can understand.

    Based off the numbers, a bunch who went to see it was because it was the place to be, not because they are mcu fans.  tbh, I wasn't that into it either.  I'm not a huge mcu fan and didn't go the 1st weekend though.
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  • Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
  • bfloo
    15738 posts Member
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
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  • DarthJ
    6668 posts Member
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    PSN: ibrajoker59
  • DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
  • bfloo
    15738 posts Member
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
    Luke and Anakin received actual training, maybe a lil quick on Luke's part, but there was at least something.

    I put this down mostly to JJ being bad at character development.
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  • I love the Sequel Trilogy because of its rich, modern day portrayal of Star Wars' roots. I love the characters, the action, the choreography, the dialogue, the story, etc. Everything just flows perfectly together and really fits Star Wars into the modern age.
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  • bfloo said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
    Luke and Anakin received actual training, maybe a lil quick on Luke's part, but there was at least something.

    I put this down mostly to JJ being bad at character development.
    Anakin was pod racing when we first meet him. Something no human was able to do. He also won the space battle on naboo basically by himself. Luke did similar in a new hope. No one cared then. People shouldn’t now because this is star wars. Our heroes do heroic things and rey is not perfect. She makes plenty of mistakes. You have to pay attention to the movies.
  • DarthJ
    6668 posts Member
    bfloo said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
    Luke and Anakin received actual training, maybe a lil quick on Luke's part, but there was at least something.

    I put this down mostly to JJ being bad at character development.
    Anakin was pod racing when we first meet him. Something no human was able to do. He also won the space battle on naboo basically by himself. Luke did similar in a new hope. No one cared then. People shouldn’t now because this is star wars. Our heroes do heroic things and rey is not perfect. She makes plenty of mistakes. You have to pay attention to the movies.
    You deliberately ignore the stories of Anakin and Luke purely so you can go off at people calling them sexist like you did in the Reys origins threads.

    Anakin had 10 years of training from age 9 to 19 (ignore the stuff he did in episode 1 here); his actual JEDI training was 10 years in the making. Even then he was beaten easily by Dooku in II, before another 3 years of experience had him head and shoulders above most by III.

    Luke had brief training in V, but then there was a 2 year gap between V and VI, which we can assume he was trained by Yoda/Obi's ghost, due to the fact he has a lightsaber constructed etc which he would not have known to do alone.

    Rey - touches a lightsaber then knows how to do a mind trick and beat a force user who isn't amazing but will still have had years of training, all within a few hours.

    Even a blind person can see the difference there.

    By the logic they have applied for Rey, by saying the force magically balances itself with powerful light and powerful dark, Anakin should have needed no training and been able to take Maul and Palps easily, or Dooku and Palps when he is older. Luke shouldnt have needed any training in IV and been able to beat Vader and Palps easily. See how daft that sounds? I would also find those 2 bland if that had happened.

    Also shows why the villains have been so poor in the ST, since the main hero has outshone everyone from the off. Theres a reason Vader and Palps are seen as so iconic. They were allowed to develop and actually win at points
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  • DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
    Luke and Anakin received actual training, maybe a lil quick on Luke's part, but there was at least something.

    I put this down mostly to JJ being bad at character development.
    Anakin was pod racing when we first meet him. Something no human was able to do. He also won the space battle on naboo basically by himself. Luke did similar in a new hope. No one cared then. People shouldn’t now because this is star wars. Our heroes do heroic things and rey is not perfect. She makes plenty of mistakes. You have to pay attention to the movies.
    You deliberately ignore the stories of Anakin and Luke purely so you can go off at people calling them sexist like you did in the Reys origins threads.

    Anakin had 10 years of training from age 9 to 19 (ignore the stuff he did in episode 1 here); his actual JEDI training was 10 years in the making. Even then he was beaten easily by Dooku in II, before another 3 years of experience had him head and shoulders above most by III.

    Luke had brief training in V, but then there was a 2 year gap between V and VI, which we can assume he was trained by Yoda/Obi's ghost, due to the fact he has a lightsaber constructed etc which he would not have known to do alone.

    Rey - touches a lightsaber then knows how to do a mind trick and beat a force user who isn't amazing but will still have had years of training, all within a few hours.

    Even a blind person can see the difference there.

    By the logic they have applied for Rey, by saying the force magically balances itself with powerful light and powerful dark, Anakin should have needed no training and been able to take Maul and Palps easily, or Dooku and Palps when he is older. Luke shouldnt have needed any training in IV and been able to beat Vader and Palps easily. See how daft that sounds? I would also find those 2 bland if that had happened.

    Also shows why the villains have been so poor in the ST, since the main hero has outshone everyone from the off. Theres a reason Vader and Palps are seen as so iconic. They were allowed to develop and actually win at points
    That’s some straight ***** and you know it.
  • DarthJ
    6668 posts Member
    edited August 3
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
    Luke and Anakin received actual training, maybe a lil quick on Luke's part, but there was at least something.

    I put this down mostly to JJ being bad at character development.
    Anakin was pod racing when we first meet him. Something no human was able to do. He also won the space battle on naboo basically by himself. Luke did similar in a new hope. No one cared then. People shouldn’t now because this is star wars. Our heroes do heroic things and rey is not perfect. She makes plenty of mistakes. You have to pay attention to the movies.
    You deliberately ignore the stories of Anakin and Luke purely so you can go off at people calling them sexist like you did in the Reys origins threads.

    Anakin had 10 years of training from age 9 to 19 (ignore the stuff he did in episode 1 here); his actual JEDI training was 10 years in the making. Even then he was beaten easily by Dooku in II, before another 3 years of experience had him head and shoulders above most by III.

    Luke had brief training in V, but then there was a 2 year gap between V and VI, which we can assume he was trained by Yoda/Obi's ghost, due to the fact he has a lightsaber constructed etc which he would not have known to do alone.

    Rey - touches a lightsaber then knows how to do a mind trick and beat a force user who isn't amazing but will still have had years of training, all within a few hours.

    Even a blind person can see the difference there.

    By the logic they have applied for Rey, by saying the force magically balances itself with powerful light and powerful dark, Anakin should have needed no training and been able to take Maul and Palps easily, or Dooku and Palps when he is older. Luke shouldnt have needed any training in IV and been able to beat Vader and Palps easily. See how daft that sounds? I would also find those 2 bland if that had happened.

    Also shows why the villains have been so poor in the ST, since the main hero has outshone everyone from the off. Theres a reason Vader and Palps are seen as so iconic. They were allowed to develop and actually win at points
    That’s some straight **** and you know it.
    You are wrong and you resort to swearing and will probably be calling me sexist next, since you have no actual argument
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  • DarthJ said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
    Luke and Anakin received actual training, maybe a lil quick on Luke's part, but there was at least something.

    I put this down mostly to JJ being bad at character development.
    Anakin was pod racing when we first meet him. Something no human was able to do. He also won the space battle on naboo basically by himself. Luke did similar in a new hope. No one cared then. People shouldn’t now because this is star wars. Our heroes do heroic things and rey is not perfect. She makes plenty of mistakes. You have to pay attention to the movies.
    You deliberately ignore the stories of Anakin and Luke purely so you can go off at people calling them sexist like you did in the Reys origins threads.

    Anakin had 10 years of training from age 9 to 19 (ignore the stuff he did in episode 1 here); his actual JEDI training was 10 years in the making. Even then he was beaten easily by Dooku in II, before another 3 years of experience had him head and shoulders above most by III.

    Luke had brief training in V, but then there was a 2 year gap between V and VI, which we can assume he was trained by Yoda/Obi's ghost, due to the fact he has a lightsaber constructed etc which he would not have known to do alone.

    Rey - touches a lightsaber then knows how to do a mind trick and beat a force user who isn't amazing but will still have had years of training, all within a few hours.

    Even a blind person can see the difference there.

    By the logic they have applied for Rey, by saying the force magically balances itself with powerful light and powerful dark, Anakin should have needed no training and been able to take Maul and Palps easily, or Dooku and Palps when he is older. Luke shouldnt have needed any training in IV and been able to beat Vader and Palps easily. See how daft that sounds? I would also find those 2 bland if that had happened.

    Also shows why the villains have been so poor in the ST, since the main hero has outshone everyone from the off. Theres a reason Vader and Palps are seen as so iconic. They were allowed to develop and actually win at points
    That’s some straight **** and you know it.
    You are wrong and you resort to swearing and will probably be calling me sexist next, since you have no actual argument
    I never called you or anyone sexist. I asked as a joke if your problem with rey was because she was a girl to which you threw a hissy fit over saying i called you sexist. Boo freaking hoo. I would call someone a lot things. Incel. *****. But not sexist. You are the one using that word. Why are you sensitive to that? It might be telling if you figure out why you are so triggered at something that is not only so old but also taken out of context. As far as an actual argument, all i will say is why are you the way you are? Constantly driven by negativity and the desire to point out how something that gives people joy is really just crap in your eyes.
  • DarthJ
    6668 posts Member
    DarthJ said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
    Luke and Anakin received actual training, maybe a lil quick on Luke's part, but there was at least something.

    I put this down mostly to JJ being bad at character development.
    Anakin was pod racing when we first meet him. Something no human was able to do. He also won the space battle on naboo basically by himself. Luke did similar in a new hope. No one cared then. People shouldn’t now because this is star wars. Our heroes do heroic things and rey is not perfect. She makes plenty of mistakes. You have to pay attention to the movies.
    You deliberately ignore the stories of Anakin and Luke purely so you can go off at people calling them sexist like you did in the Reys origins threads.

    Anakin had 10 years of training from age 9 to 19 (ignore the stuff he did in episode 1 here); his actual JEDI training was 10 years in the making. Even then he was beaten easily by Dooku in II, before another 3 years of experience had him head and shoulders above most by III.

    Luke had brief training in V, but then there was a 2 year gap between V and VI, which we can assume he was trained by Yoda/Obi's ghost, due to the fact he has a lightsaber constructed etc which he would not have known to do alone.

    Rey - touches a lightsaber then knows how to do a mind trick and beat a force user who isn't amazing but will still have had years of training, all within a few hours.

    Even a blind person can see the difference there.

    By the logic they have applied for Rey, by saying the force magically balances itself with powerful light and powerful dark, Anakin should have needed no training and been able to take Maul and Palps easily, or Dooku and Palps when he is older. Luke shouldnt have needed any training in IV and been able to beat Vader and Palps easily. See how daft that sounds? I would also find those 2 bland if that had happened.

    Also shows why the villains have been so poor in the ST, since the main hero has outshone everyone from the off. Theres a reason Vader and Palps are seen as so iconic. They were allowed to develop and actually win at points
    That’s some straight **** and you know it.
    You are wrong and you resort to swearing and will probably be calling me sexist next, since you have no actual argument
    I never called you or anyone sexist. I asked as a joke if your problem with rey was because she was a girl to which you threw a hissy fit over saying i called you sexist. Boo freaking hoo. I would call someone a lot things. Incel. ****. But not sexist. You are the one using that word. Why are you sensitive to that? It might be telling if you figure out why you are so triggered at something that is not only so old but also taken out of context. As far as an actual argument, all i will say is why are you the way you are? Constantly driven by negativity and the desire to point out how something that gives people joy is really just crap in your eyes.
    Read back to my post - I didnt say I hate the ST. I don't mind it overall. But some poor choices have left the trilogy without a decent villain, to the point where they are having to tease an iconic villain into it to lure more people in on nostalgia, and a hero who defeated the villain in the first film of the trilogy, leaving her all powerful with no credible threat.

    If it brings you joy, great, I am happy for you. My sons like it too. I am happy overall that it brings more people in. But I don't like the fact they will happily dump all over established lore from 40 years ago just to people please this generation. Plenty of original ideas they could have went for, instead of using nostalgia to then throw a lot of things out the window. Fully expect them at this point to bring Palps back to let Rey kill him, and thereby setting her as the real chosen one, just to please this generation.

    Meh, don't know why we are arguing anyway - pointless really.
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  • DarthJ said:
    DarthJ said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    DarthJ said:
    bfloo said:
    Rey is force sensitive because of the force. It chose her. Same as it chose anakin. Then that followed on to luke. The point of rey is to get rid of the bloodline mentality. In the prequels, we see a variety of species using the force and trying to go through and create a bloodline for each of those is stupid. A new hope had the force as this mystical power that was strengthened in your resolve and your belief. Then in the prequels it was instead your midichlorian count. It was a clinical way of making the force boring. So by making rey a nobody now they don’t have to worry about all that mess of making the force in a person about anything besides the force wills as it wants to.
    No one has an issue with Rey being Force sensitive.  It is her going from knowing nothing about the force to super jedi out of no where.
    Yeah - my issue with it is the excuse of the force balancing itself, powerful light powerful dark etc. Yet this has never happened previously. Its just done so they dont have to explain how she is so good without training
    And i find it funny that this happens with every star wars hero but for some reason people want to get hung up on rey. 
    Luke and Anakin received actual training, maybe a lil quick on Luke's part, but there was at least something.

    I put this down mostly to JJ being bad at character development.
    Anakin was pod racing when we first meet him. Something no human was able to do. He also won the space battle on naboo basically by himself. Luke did similar in a new hope. No one cared then. People shouldn’t now because this is star wars. Our heroes do heroic things and rey is not perfect. She makes plenty of mistakes. You have to pay attention to the movies.
    You deliberately ignore the stories of Anakin and Luke purely so you can go off at people calling them sexist like you did in the Reys origins threads.

    Anakin had 10 years of training from age 9 to 19 (ignore the stuff he did in episode 1 here); his actual JEDI training was 10 years in the making. Even then he was beaten easily by Dooku in II, before another 3 years of experience had him head and shoulders above most by III.

    Luke had brief training in V, but then there was a 2 year gap between V and VI, which we can assume he was trained by Yoda/Obi's ghost, due to the fact he has a lightsaber constructed etc which he would not have known to do alone.

    Rey - touches a lightsaber then knows how to do a mind trick and beat a force user who isn't amazing but will still have had years of training, all within a few hours.

    Even a blind person can see the difference there.

    By the logic they have applied for Rey, by saying the force magically balances itself with powerful light and powerful dark, Anakin should have needed no training and been able to take Maul and Palps easily, or Dooku and Palps when he is older. Luke shouldnt have needed any training in IV and been able to beat Vader and Palps easily. See how daft that sounds? I would also find those 2 bland if that had happened.

    Also shows why the villains have been so poor in the ST, since the main hero has outshone everyone from the off. Theres a reason Vader and Palps are seen as so iconic. They were allowed to develop and actually win at points
    That’s some straight **** and you know it.
    You are wrong and you resort to swearing and will probably be calling me sexist next, since you have no actual argument
    I never called you or anyone sexist. I asked as a joke if your problem with rey was because she was a girl to which you threw a hissy fit over saying i called you sexist. Boo freaking hoo. I would call someone a lot things. Incel. ****. But not sexist. You are the one using that word. Why are you sensitive to that? It might be telling if you figure out why you are so triggered at something that is not only so old but also taken out of context. As far as an actual argument, all i will say is why are you the way you are? Constantly driven by negativity and the desire to point out how something that gives people joy is really just crap in your eyes.
    Read back to my post - I didnt say I hate the ST. I don't mind it overall. But some poor choices have left the trilogy without a decent villain, to the point where they are having to tease an iconic villain into it to lure more people in on nostalgia, and a hero who defeated the villain in the first film of the trilogy, leaving her all powerful with no credible threat.

    If it brings you joy, great, I am happy for you. My sons like it too. I am happy overall that it brings more people in. But I don't like the fact they will happily dump all over established lore from 40 years ago just to people please this generation. Plenty of original ideas they could have went for, instead of using nostalgia to then throw a lot of things out the window. Fully expect them at this point to bring Palps back to let Rey kill him, and thereby setting her as the real chosen one, just to please this generation.

    Meh, don't know why we are arguing anyway - pointless really.
    It is rather pointless and it is an argument we are not likely to find common ground in. 
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